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Pretty. I really been feeling the cloud hair/
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Pretty. I really been feeling the cloud hair/
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beautiful piece, your really getting better fast.
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that is pretty beloved!! thank you for sharing!!!
[QUOTE=jwatson;5544933]i don't need to provide that because i am okay with Storm being present in x-men stories so i don't really care but if your trying to pull me over to read something else using Stom it's your job to explore aspects of her character. I wasn't complaining about x-books. See i understand the line between what i want to see and what is presented and buy what i do and don't want.[/QUOTE]
I never said you needed to do anything BUT you were criticizing Coates for not telling a story about windrider who was also worshipped as a goddess. I thought at the bare minimum you would be able to reference an xstory in which this was done seeing she is owned by them. If you are getting what you want as it pertains to the xstories whatever and however she is being written in BP should be of no consequence right?
[QUOTE=jwatson;5544935]beautiful piece, your really getting better fast.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, strange to think that I’ve only had the IPencil since December! I just love the digital effects I can do with it, particularly for the cloud hair (and Kurt’s beautiful eyes).
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5544948]I never said you needed to do anything BUT you were criticizing Coates for not telling a story about windrider who was also worshipped as a goddess. I thought at the bare minimum you would be able to reference an xstory in which this was done seeing she is owned by them. If you are getting what you want as it pertains to the xstories whatever and however she is being written in BP should be of no consequence right?[/QUOTE]
Exactly and it is of no consequence as long as i have my x-stories to read which seems to be the case. But then you have problems with how she is potrayed in X-men if it doesn't mesh what you feel is going on in BP. So go figure.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5544959]Exactly and it is of no consequence as long as i have my x-stories to read which seems to be the case. But then you have problems with how she is potrayed in X-men if it doesn't mesh what you feel is going on in BP. So go figure.[/QUOTE]
then you should be a happy guy then. it's been a great day for those of us who like the xbooks as well as seeing our hadari yao tales in bp!!!
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5544965]then you should be a happy guy then. it's been a great day for those of us who like the xbooks as well as seeing our hadari yao tales in bp!!![/QUOTE]
I been saying i'm a happy guy. People keep trying to make it seem like i shouldn't be because something they want to see isn't being explored in the x-books. The only times i've had a problem with the x-books via storm is when she was pulled from them.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5544977]I been saying i'm a happy guy. People keep trying to make it seem like i shouldn't be because something they want to see isn't being explored in the x-books. The only times i've had a problem with the x-books via storm is when she was pulled from them.[/QUOTE]
oh is that what this was all about? posters concluded you feel a certain way that she was going to be in the new run. I gotcha. yea with all the teasers we got today there was plenty of room for storm fans from either side of the coin to be happy.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5544982]oh is that what this was all about? posters concluded you feel a certain way that she was going to be in the new run. I gotcha. yea with all the teasers we got today there was plenty of room for storm fans from either side of the coin to be happy.[/QUOTE]
Naw im just on the x-boards discussing the MUTANT goddess storm. I said what i felt about her being in the book in the BP thread. I don't really care about the rest but you have a habit imo of lumping posts together to formulate a statement on someone.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5545016]Naw im just on the x-boards discussing the MUTANT goddess storm. I said what i felt about her being in the book in the BP thread. I don't really care about the rest but you have a habit imo of lumping posts together to formulate a statement on someone.[/QUOTE]
no you actually said that on this forum and a poster made a reference to your initial shift and initial point of reference for not liking Coates when he wrote that issue with nuNakia and Storm. this was you today in this forum not anywhere else
[QUOTE=jwatson;5544806]I turned against Coates because i was mad at the way he wrote Storm. Tchalla was good to her and i still read the scene as he is "nothing more than a man with needs." that is what my problem was. Tchalla uplifted her the entire run after a sour time when he wasn't the best husband imo, so to read all that effort and then feel like Coates had Storm diminish it to me was far worse than anything done on the X-side. If Storm has a book or is active in the x-line and is with tchalla i'm more than happy with it being respected by Storm not being with anyone else etc because ultimately for storm relationships don't matter to me. The only couples i like in comics are Scott/Jean, Reed/Sue, Lois/Clark and Bruce/Selena. Objectively speaking as you can see all my fave couples are white so i see the need for more diversity in couples but i had my parents so i'm not clamoring for it.
Also i agree with you Storm and Tchalla re too big to be tied to love lives but i think the main problem is people approach it in the traditional sense. I have no doubt Storm/Bp would have worked if they gave Storm a companion book if that was the only place you could see her at the time but that is over so i'm not going to rehash why i think that didn't happen. One last thing though is i don't know what marvel is thinking with the optics but to me it's hard to say the x-books weren't using her when they only weren't using her anytime she was pulled into BP and with the rights issue at the time i can't say what that meant behind the scenes.[/QUOTE]
I remember the initial discussions way back when because we had many exchanges and disagreed on what coates was saying. I recall actually being surprised at the shift because before that issue you always had good things to say about the book. at any rate moving along before this goes left enjoy your xbooks with storm!
for everyone cane across a wonderful article about the new BP issue and agreed with all that was said . the author is a big storm fan and very talented btw. I always vule his input when it involves storm and bp:
[url]https://thegeekiary.com/new-black-panther-comic-book-series-oscar-winner-john-ridley/96043[/url]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5545043]no you actually said that on this forum and a poster made a reference to your initial shift and initial point of reference for not liking Coates when he wrote that issue with nuNakia and Storm. this was you today in this forum not anywhere else
I remember the initial discussions way back when because we had many exchanges and disagreed on what coates was saying. I recall actually being surprised at the shift because before that issue you always had good things to say about the book. at any rate moving along before this goes left enjoy your xbooks with storm![/QUOTE]
Was i not responded to? It's not like i came in here and just started talking about Storm and Tchalla i actually said something positive about coates and his legacy based on some promotional art for BP#1 that was posted in this thread, that then took me to the BP thread where i found the article from the new writer. It was really just that meaningless and me responding to what was presented today. Other people seem to want to go ove rand over and over the same things again and again. If i have time, i have time. lol
[QUOTE=jwatson;5545055]Was i not responded to? It's not like i came in here and just started talking about Storm and Tchalla i actually said something positive about coates and his legacy based on some promotional art for BP#1 that was posted in this thread, that then took me to the BP thread where i found the article from the new writer. It was really just that meaningless and me responding to what was presented today. Other people seem to want to go ove rand over and over the same things again and again. If i have time, i have time. lol[/QUOTE]
I think there is a bit of miscommunication. I asked was all of this (back and forth) due to posters perceiving you should feel a certain way about seeing storm in the new BP run. it was a question not a statement. if you like the xbooks you are entitled to it but I thought you initially had issue with the reveal she was still in the BP books but you don't so that is resolved.
oan you made a point which I didn't even acknowledge but now I will.
yes I do have problems with how she was depicted in the xbooks. before Coates this was the storm we was getting, sleepy nap nap im a failure storm:
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coates out of nowhere came in and did a literal 180 by making her a freaking goddess. that was like such a huge deal even still because storm fans have been taking to task for years for even jokingly calling her one. so yes any writer that ain't coming with that type of energy i will see it as a problem. im a storm fan unapologetically and could care less which book she is featured so long as that respective book is giving her her fair due. The xbooks were not doing that since Claremont honestly and used writers in the BP world who showed genuine interest in her as an excuse not to include her in meaningfulways in the xstories. that is where stormbot came from because she was so uncharacteristically not the storm fans had grown to love, she was just a glorified token in the xbooks. so if what the xoffices thus far works for you thats great and you are entitled to love it and buy it. great!!! however, if we are having a serious discussion on critiquing coates use of storm him not using "windrider" in the grand scheme of all he did for the character especially when compared to what the xoffices have thus far down since the marriage ended is a hollow criticism imho.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5545085]I think there is a bit of miscommunication. I asked was all of this (back and forth) due to posters perceiving you should feel a certain way about seeing storm in the new BP run. it was a question not a statement. if you like the xbooks you are entitled to it but I thought you initially had issue with the reveal she was still in the BP books but you don't so that is resolved.
oan you made a point which I didn't even acknowledge but now I will.
yes I do have problems with how she was depicted in the xbooks. before Coates this was the storm we was getting, sleepy nap nap im a failure storm:
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coates out of nowhere came in and did a literal 180 by making her a freaking goddess. that was like such a huge deal even still because storm fans have been taking to task for years for even jokingly calling her one. so yes any writer that ain't coming with that type of energy i will see it as a problem. im a storm fan unapologetically and could care less which book she is featured so long as that respective book is giving her her fair due. The xbooks were not doing that since Claremont honestly and used writers in the BP world who showed genuine interest in her as an excuse. so if what the xoffices this far works for you thats great and you are entitled to lobe it and buy it. however, if we are havjbf a serious discussion on critiquing coates use of storm him not using "windrider" in the grand scheme of all he did for the character especially when compared to what the xoffices have thus far down since the marriage ended is a hollow criticism imho.[/QUOTE]
It does seem there is a misunderstanding because your right i don't care if Storm is written in the bp books that is cool, the more books the better imo but people can't have it both ways imo not be upset Storm isn't explored in those book s if she is used but then upset if what happened in those books isn't explored in her home books. Even objectively speaking this is the xboard so what is brought over here is inherently going to be filtered through that lense in some way same as the tchalla thread on the other side not being viewed through that lense.
I wouldn't take it to the level of it being a criticism to be honest. It is more if fans want to tell me that is what coates is doing why didn't he just simply do it or say it's a translation. It's just simple logic and throw away thoughts for me. If coates was trying to say all that why didn't he just say it. There is no hidden meaning there.
Also i do love that page you posted because for me i can see it from Storm perspective, i put myself in the story. I can see how after what went on with the cloud and the company mandate that kept it around for so long how she would feel after such a thing she did fail to save lives, because it was out of her control but she did the best she could. But then objectively also at the time she was stepping down her role was picking up in wakanda so could one have been the cause of the other is just as valid a thought. i'm not in the behind the scenes loop so can only piece together what i see and information i come across.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5545095]It does seem there is a misunderstanding because your right i don't care if Storm is written in the bp books that is cool, the more books the better imo but people can't have it both ways imo not be upset Storm isn't explored in those book s if she is used but then upset if what happened in those books isn't explored in her home books. Even objectively speaking this is the xboard so what is brought over here is inherently going to be filtered through that lense in some way same as the tchalla thread on the other side not being viewed through that lense.
I wouldn't take it to the level of it being a criticism to be honest. It is more if fans want to tell me that is what coates is doing why didn't he just simply do it or say it's a translation. It's just simple logic and throw away thoughts for me. If coates was trying to say all that why didn't he just say it. There is no hidden meaning there.[/QUOTE]
well we have to keep in mind, being upset about what is and what is not used is because this is a shared universe. for instance, if rogue during her avengers run had wonderman's power but in the xbooks was written as a street leveler fans would rightfully so have a right to call that into question. or if thor has the power of galactus in one book but in avengers he can't handle moon knight. fans would rightfully have issues and be fair to call the writers out. so this isn't the fault of fans and is reflective of editorial; it not fair to pins these scenarios on them when they see their faves getting their due especially when they have been ignored years. So ignore black panther for a second, why why haven't the xoffices explored:
1. her lineage (they've done it for nearly all the other a list xmen)*
2. bright lady/Oshtur
3. magic heritage
4. love interests*
5. power/abilities *
6. being african/African American woman (she doesn't encounter any racism its only because she's a mutant?) *
*explored by the bp books
it always been lip service. they say she is this or that but stories around her in the xoffice only go so far and it always revolve around being a mutant and/or an xman. people try to pin the blame on bp writers but this isn't their fault at all. the asterisk is why some fans call the xwriters out because even as a secondary or supporting character the bp offices have made an effort (hudlin/coates) to go beyond the one dimensional character storm has has always be to the xmen. some fans want more because they have been exposed to more and that is what happens when pandoras box is opened.
the thing is Coates explained what he was doing, and quite well, but yet there are still questions. such as windrider thing. your criticism was around the use of a name but he has shown many different layers of stories to show that what she was as a windrider to Kenyans, she was the same to wakandans. black panther 13 even invikes tge period where she was worshipped as goddess aka windrider:
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it was just a different name but the connection always was there.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5545124]well we have to keep in mind, being upset about what is and what is not used is because this is a shared universe. for instance, if rogue during her avengers run had wonderman's power but in the xbooks was written as a street leveler fans would rightfully so have a right to call that into question. or if thor has the power of galactus in one book but in avengers he can't handle moon knight. fans would rightfully have issues and be fair to call the writers out. so this isn't the fault of fans and is reflective of editorial; it not fair to pins these types of things thereof on them when they see their faves getting their due especially when they have been ignored years. So ignore black panther for a second, why why haven't the xoffices explored:
1. her lineage (they've done it for nearly all the other a list xmen)*
2. bright lady/Oshtur
3. magic heritage
4. love interests*
5. power/abilities *
6. being african/African American woman (she doesn't encounter any racism its only because she's a mutant?) *
*explored by the bp books
it always been lip service. they say she is this or that but stories around her in the xoffice only go so far and it always revolve around being a mutant and/or an xman. people try to pin the blame on bp writers but this isn't their fault at all. the asterisk is why some fans call the xwriters out because even as a secondary or supporting character the bp offices have made an effort (hudlin/coates) to go beyond the one dimensional character storm has has always be to the xmen. some fans want more because they have been exposed to more and that is what happens when pandoras box is opened.
the thing is Coates explained what he was doing, and quite well, but yet there are still questions. such as windrider thing. your criticism was around the use of a name but he has shown many different layers of stories to show that what she was as a windrider to Kenyans, she was the same to wakandans. it was just a different name.[/QUOTE]
Maybe they didn't want to give Fox more to work with? Why doesn't that make just as much sense given the climate of things than the emotional side of "it just didn't happen" Why isn't it just as feasible from a business stand point marvel was trying to do the same thing with Storm by tying her to BP/Wakana that they did with Wanda/Pietro before Disney got the rights back?
[QUOTE=jwatson;5545132]Maybe they didn't want to give Fox more to work with? Why doesn't that make just as much sense given the climate of things than the emotional side of "it just didn't happen" Why isn't it just as feasible from a business stand point marvel was trying to do the same thing with Storm by tying her to BP/Wakana that they did with Wanda/Pietro before Disney got the rights back?[/QUOTE]
I think the part about fox would have been a fair one (I actually thought the same); however, even after Disney got the mutants back there seemed to be a need to distance ororo from what was happening in BP. No let me be fair here, some xwriters on twitter did acknowledge she was a real goddess and pointed to the uncanny xmen issue where she struck x-legion with lightning but thst still mostly felt like lip service and since then as you know under hickmans era that wrote that marauders issue which seemed mostly written to have a reason to separate the two down the line. synergy now is not inhibited by anyone other that those internal to marvel not wanting it to be so.
How powerful I wanna see a full Powered Storm in the future
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marvel fans would lose their sh!t. I would totally be here for that though lol
All of the new Storm news looks amazing. I will weigh in a bit on BP/Storm. I'm not a fan of the couple but it's not because I have a problem with them being together, it's more because of how it has played out and the lack of ability Marvel seems to have with taking care of both characters. The true issue in this relationship for me is that Storm and BP are both ICONIC characters and should be treated as such. Neither one deserves to only be a footnote/supporting character for the other. Black Panther has his own book and is an important hero throughout the Marvel Universe lore, so he's at least getting the respect he deserves. (This is why I think some fans are upset about Storm infiltrating his books and taking some of his shine away) Storm on the other hand has not. In the Claremont days yes she was, but since then she's been shitted on consistently (yes X Office I'm looking at you). While BP has definitely done wonders for her as a character and uplifting her recent importance, the biggest issue I have is that despite all of it's uplift, Storm would still be second fiddle to BP in his book and still doesn't have a book where the focus is on her in the X Books. That would be equivalent to Wonder Woman not having her own book but only being featured in JL or Superman as his love interest. While this could work for most characters, it just doesn't work for ICONIC and LABEL DEFINING characters like Wonder Woman and Storm. This is why Captain Marvel having a solo feels so odd when you have a woman who truly eclipses her in value fighting for attention in everyone else's book. And honestly, the more she is propped up in BP's book the more tied to his book she becomes which will either diminish her status or cloud BP's. Instead, if Storm had her own Solo, maybe even a joint book with BP, a role in the XMen, and casually featured in BP as his love interest, then I would feel like all of this goddess making, omnipotent power and MU wide importance stuff would make sense. Right now, it feels like a lot of lip service, and even though I appreciate all of the new feats, I just think once she gets her own book and it's fully supported and she has her place, the rest will fall in line and make sense. So that is my biggest issue.
On the other hand, while I do have a few complaints, much credit has to be given to Coates for her current rise to prominence. He definitely laid the foundation for that, even if it may include some devices that some of us don't agree with.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5545439]All of the new Storm news looks amazing. I will weigh in a bit on BP/Storm. I'm not a fan of the couple but it's not because I have a problem with them being together, it's more because of how it has played out and the lack of ability Marvel seems to have with taking care of both characters. The true issue in this relationship for me is that Storm and BP are both ICONIC characters and should be treated as such. Neither one deserves to only be a footnote/supporting character for the other. Black Panther has his own book and is an important hero throughout the Marvel Universe lore, so he's at least getting the respect he deserves. (This is why I think some fans are upset about Storm infiltrating his books and taking some of his shine away) Storm on the other hand has not. In the Claremont days yes she was, but since then she's been shitted on consistently (yes X Office I'm looking at you). While BP has definitely done wonders for her as a character and uplifting her recent importance, the biggest issue I have is that despite all of it's uplift, Storm would still be second fiddle to BP in his book and still doesn't have a book where the focus is on her in the X Books. That would be equivalent to Wonder Woman not having her own book but only being featured in JL or Superman as his love interest. While this could work for most characters, it just doesn't work for ICONIC and LABEL DEFINING characters like Wonder Woman and Storm. This is why Captain Marvel having a solo feels so odd when you have a woman who truly eclipses her in value fighting for attention in everyone else's book. And honestly, the more she is propped up as BP's book the more tied to his book she becomes which will either diminish her status or cloud BP's. Instead, if Storm had her own Solo, maybe even a joint book with BP, a role in the XMen, and casually featured in BP as his love interest, then I would feel like all of this goddess making, omnipotent power and MU wide importance stuff would make sense. Right now, it feels like a lot of lip service, and even though I appreciate all of the new feats, I just think once she gets her own book and it's fully supported and she has her place, the rest will fall in line and make sense. So that is my biggest issue.
On the other hand, while I do have a few complaints, much credit has to be given to Coates for her current rise to prominence. He definitely laid the foundation for that, even if it may include some devices that some of us don't agree with.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad even though you don't fancy them together you can still acknowledge what he has done for the character. my personal thoughts were they included her on the omega list because of everything Coates did.. i obviously have nothing to support that but its something I've always thought. that said,, for real I dont get how some storm fans take him to task while eating her inclusion within the xbooks like it is filet mignon.
do we even know why she is an omega outside of that data page?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5545449]I'm glad even though you don't fancy them together you can still acknowledge what he has done for the character. my personal thoughts were they included her on the omega list because of everything Coates did.. i obviously have nothing to support that but its something I've always thought. that said,, for real I dont get how some storm fans take him to task while eating her inclusion within the xbooks like it is filet mignon.
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I just want to be clear that it's not that I don't fancy them together. They could put her with whomever they want but it comes down to the care and approach taken to do so. They could be a wonderful couple and pair but their importance, status, and characters should always be considered when handling the couple. I just don't see that happening, from their inception until now with the moves made regarding their relationship.
I don't think your thought about the data pages is wrong at all whenever Storm was clearly depicted as needing an unnecessary hammer to reach goddess power just moments before smh. I HATED that run so much!
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5545455]I just want to be clear that it's not that I don't fancy them together. They could put her with whomever they want but it comes down to the care and approach taken to do so. They could be a wonderful couple and pair but their importance, status, and characters should always be considered when handling the couple. I just don't see that happening, from their inception until now with the moves made regarding their relationship. (Example, who thought it was cool for them to come to blows in X Men vs Avengers smh).
I don't think your thought about the data pages is wrong at all whenever Storm was clearly depicted as needing an unnecessary hammer to reach goddess power just moments before smh. I HATED that run so much![/QUOTE]
I agree with your point about care being given to both characters!!! There were a lot of storm fans at the time that very much enjoyed seeing the two of them fight but I definitely was not one of them.
Ugh another personal thought is that I think Guggenheim was purposefully was writing stories to undermine what coates was doing. First with thst gambit kiss and then all the mess about her needing that stupid hammer. I'm so happy to be out of that era.
question did you think Coates gave care to both characters?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5545397]marvel fans would lose their sh!t. I would totally be here for that though lol[/QUOTE]
I would love every moment.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5545476]I would love every moment.[/QUOTE]
I would be posting pics all over the place lmfao.
why were they fighting Gaea btw?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5545463]I agree with your point about care being given to both characters!!! There were a lot of storm fans at the time that very much enjoyed seeing the two of them fight but I definitely was not one of them.
Ugh another personal thought is that I think Guggenheim was purposefully was writing stories to undermine what coates was doing. First with thst gambit kiss and then all the mess about her needing that stupid hammer. I'm so happy to be out of that era.
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That's a good question. First, I would like to say that my definition of care isn't necessarily exclusively about individual writers but about the systems put in place related to different characters. In Storm's and BP's case, the question is given that they are both iconic characters, are we creating spaces where their relationship can thrive while still giving respect to what they stand for and represent as iconic characters in the MCU. Shipping Storm off to be a secondary character in BP is NOT a respectful way to handle this for either character in my opinion.
As for Coates, from what I saw, I feel like Coates did his best to respect both characters and to represent them in respectful ways towards each other. That being said, I also feel like because of the box he was forced to play in you can see how even in his attempts to be respectful, that it lead to other issues. Giving Storm such prominence in BP's book definitely felt disrespectful to BP and his fans as one could argue that the much of the Adversary arc was just a story told to uplift Storm's character within the confines of a BP book. That probably felt similarly to Kitty stealing every damn XMen story for the last few years despite Storm's and other powerful XMen's presence. So, if there were careless things done, I don't necessarily put all the blame on Coates as much as the confines of having an iconic character trapped in someone else's book.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5545500]That's a good question. First, I would like to say that my definition of care isn't necessarily exclusively about individual writers but about the systems put in place related to different characters. In Storm's and BP's case, the question is given that they are both iconic characters, are we creating spaces where their relationship can thrive while still giving respect to what they stand for and represent as iconic characters in the MCU. Shipping Storm off to be a secondary character in BP is NOT a respectful way to handle this for either character in my opinion.
As for Coates, from what I saw, I feel like Coates did his best to respect both characters and to represent them in respectful ways towards each other. That being said, I also feel like because of the box he was forced to play in you can see how even in his attempts to be respectful, that it lead to other issues. Giving Storm such prominence in BP's book definitely felt disrespectful to BP and his fans as one could argue that the much of the Adversary arc was just a story told to uplift Storm's character within the confines of a BP book. That probably felt similarly to Kitty stealing every damn XMen story for the last few years despite Storm's and other powerful XMen's presence. So, if there were careless things done, I don't necessarily put all the blame on Coates as much as the confines of having an iconic character trapped in someone else's book.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the insight on your thoughts in the regard! I'm curious to see how the next writer will choose to incorporate Storm within the story.
I would like the shift the next question a bit. What xmen stories related to storm since the marriage was annulled up to now do you believe gave respect to the character considering her iconic status?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5544445]yall I'm about to explode:
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Those arts are absolutely amazing! I loved the comet-like one, I think it is a hint for her space adventure! Oh, please, please, please make her fly on her own at high speed in Space! :D This is one of the things I ask for, desperately!
Am I mistaken or do we see suns in the background on both covers. Clearly, something is with blinding light behind Storm in the first cover and in the second one, we see like a liquified substance, sun-like texture behind the four in the second cover.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5544839]I agree, we as Xfans and Storm fans have begged for some type of exploration of Storm. Her roots, her heritage ,her family. Her magic.
The responsibility to do so was the xbooks.
But thank God Black writers who decided and had the forthright to actually have big plans for Storm , by doing exactly what Storm fans wanted.
Gave Storm a life outside the Xbooks.
Explore her heritage, wind ridership
Reconnected with her family.
Some awesome Street wear looks.
And raised her profile (an already great profile yes, but seem to just grew stagnant *See Lighting Lass or Stormbot)
Queen.
Omega.
Goddess.
At this point Storm can definitely remain in the BP franchise. And very honestly it look like by doing so the xoffiice learn a valuable lesson. Cause all of sudden things are looking real correct on the island of Krakoa.
Don't sleep on Storm nor her fans. Cause we gonna find a way.[/QUOTE]
I am all about Storm being diverse between the two universes, X-Men and BP, if she gets two solo books, one for the BP franchise and one for the X-Men franchise, only then we will be able to tell which office does better with Storm, it could be like a competition and it will give us a lot of Storm material to explore.
On the other hand, there is a huge fanbase of fans who enjoy Storm and BP as a couple. What must be done is simple, as someone already mentioned, create a book, which will be the connection between the X-Office and the BP Office, where Storm and BP are explored as a couple. They could go on an adventure in Space together as they did in the FF all those years ago, or they could go on their own adventure where they will explore Storm's capabilities within Kenyan roots. They can even go and find Oshtur and explore her capabilities with the help of the Goddess.
I just think that the X-Offices are concentrating on too many characters at once. They don't have enough writers to write all those characters that people want them to write, and that is their own fault You cannot create a team of like what? 100 characters and expect to cover them all with what? 3-4 authors? That not possible. They grabbing too much at once and therefore the stories are watered down, and the ones which suffer are the iconic characters like Cyclops and Storm if you haven't noticed yet. Cyclops and Storm are one of the most neglected characters in the first Hickman run, and even today Cyclops is still quite neglected, even more than Storm.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5544852]That is not what i said. But when that is the only place i can and she is being written as supporting then yes, i do have a problem. I'm a pretty simple dude. It's not that deep, there is no hidden message. It's what i enjoyed vs what i didn't. I did not enjoy reading the only interpretation of Storm being Tchalla's wife. I wasn't behind the scenes but that is what i was given on the market. I'm not doing the blame game i'm simply saying from my perspective as a consumer what i saw and felt. It has nothing to do with soley featured in x-books and i'm honestly not sure how you got there given i've been pretty descriptive in my posts. Disagreeing is one thing but changing my meaning to something completely different than the words provided is another.
And i wasn't expecting anything from Coates, he chose to write storm so that is the responsibility he took on. If he wanted to pair BP with a wakandian goddess he should have created one.[/QUOTE]
You cannot expect them to write Storm as the main character in a book that has BP as the title. That is just not possible and it is not fair towards BP fans, I do get them. What they do need to do is create two separate books on two fronts. For the Galactic Empire, I would have done something among the lines of following T'Challa's adventure and concentrating on him and then having a second book that concentrates on Storm and how she runs the things while T'Challa is missing. They just didn't manage to do that and Storm got more time in the books, which starts the issue with the BP fans. All they had to do is write a second book which was concentrated on Storm and all her feats and Godhood could have been explored even further in it, this way Storm fans would have been happy with more material and BP fans would have been happy with more materials for BP.
That was their only problem, they didn't manage the story which they wanted to tell and the way the characters were elevated properly. They needed two books, each book on each character concentration and then having the two books cross overs which we got in the BP's issues, like him dreaming about Storm laying next to him but not being able to remember who she is, or their conversation in the office. So this was their only mistake, if they did manage to do what I said above, there wouldn't have been any problems. And I am quite sure that Coates would have been able to write the two books since he would have been given more time to explore the characters and make their story more in-depth.
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do we even know why she is an omega outside of that data page?[/QUOTE]
I am going to be frank about this, Nope! Like yh rouge storm is all cool and all but like why is she an omega level mutant. Aside from the data pages and the description of having no upper limit what has she done to feel omega. Like storm feels like a powerful mutant but omega? Hmmm, cause Thor has done some pretty wild things with the weather and has even created a temporal storm, meanwhile storm has been throwing lightning and wind if she gets lucky. Like yh she has feats but the constant low-ball by the xoffice I think has done too much damage. It will take a miracle for her moniker as goddess or omega level mutant to hold weight, this I believe will come with a solo or a book series focusing on her.
Also the planet size covers don't have me excited, like from what we have seen from marauders being on the cover doesn't equate actually doing something in the book. I will only feel free to get excited when the book comes and she does something other than wind, lightning or rain and from the looks of the variants well that ain't happening. Or gets some charachter moments. Otherwise I just think storm will just be modeling in this one I am afraid.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5545586]I am going to be frank about this, Nope! Like yh rouge storm is all cool and all but like why is she an omega level mutant. Aside from the data pages and the description of having no upper limit what has she done to feel omega. Like storm feels like a powerful mutant but omega? Hmmm, cause Thor has done some pretty wild things with the weather and has even created a temporal storm, meanwhile storm has been throwing lightning and wind if she gets lucky. Like yh she has feats but the constant low-ball by the xoffice I think has done too much damage. It will take a miracle for her moniker as goddess or omega level mutant to hold weight, this I believe will come with a solo or a book series focusing on her.
Also the planet size covers don't have me excited, like from what we have seen from marauders being on the cover doesn't equate actually doing something in the book. I will only feel free to get excited when the book comes and she does something other than wind, lightning or rain and from the looks of the variants well that ain't happening. Or gets some charachter moments. Otherwise I just think storm will just be modeling in this one I am afraid.[/QUOTE]
By that logic no one on the omega list has shown me why they are an omega to be honest. ImO Storm has pushed and done more with her powers consistently than anyone on that list so i don't really get what people mean when they need to see something specific that shows omeganess. One could say creating weather in space is an omega feat because no other weather manipulator i have seen has controlled the reality of a dimension or created cosmic storms under their own power. I do wonder what exactly people are looking for that is suppose to prove anyone on that last has no limit, set in stone.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5545586]I am going to be frank about this, Nope! Like yh rouge storm is all cool and all but like why is she an omega level mutant. Aside from the data pages and the description of having no upper limit what has she done to feel omega. Like storm feels like a powerful mutant but omega? Hmmm, cause Thor has done some pretty wild things with the weather and has even created a temporal storm, meanwhile storm has been throwing lightning and wind if she gets lucky. Like yh she has feats but the constant low-ball by the xoffice I think has done too much damage. It will take a miracle for her moniker as goddess or omega level mutant to hold weight, this I believe will come with a solo or a book series focusing on her.
Also the planet size covers don't have me excited, like from what we have seen from marauders being on the cover doesn't equate actually doing something in the book. I will only feel free to get excited when the book comes and she does something other than wind, lightning or rain and from the looks of the variants well that ain't happening. Or gets some charachter moments. Otherwise I just think storm will just be modeling in this one I am afraid.[/QUOTE]
This post is all over the place and contradicts itself. How can you admit that Storm has power feats that showcase her Omega level abilities but than disregard those feats based on the poor handling of the X office?
That's like saying Thor has Feats that make him worthy of a god of thunder title but none of those Feats matter because Rachel Summers beat his ass but with a psychic hammer that one time.
Storm fans: YAASSS! They've finally acknowledged Storm as an official Omega Level Mutant!
Storm fans: Storm has done nothing to prove she's an Omega Level Mutant!
[QUOTE=jwatson;5545645]By that logic no one on the omega list has shown me why they are an omega to be honest. ImO Storm has pushed and done more with her powers consistently than anyone on that list so i don't really get what people mean when they need to see something specific that shows omeganess. One could say creating weather in space is an omega feat because no other weather manipulator i have seen has controlled the reality of a dimension or created cosmic storms under their own power. I do wonder what exactly people are looking for that is suppose to prove anyone on that last has no limit, set in stone.[/QUOTE]
They want her to bend reality at a whim lol. I don’t see the big deal, the X-Office has put consistent respect on Storm’s name when it comes to her power level in this era. She’s one of their biggest guns by far.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5545645]By that logic no one on the omega list has shown me why they are an omega to be honest. ImO Storm has pushed and done more with her powers consistently than anyone on that list so i don't really get what people mean when they need to see something specific that shows omeganess. One could say creating weather in space is an omega feat because no other weather manipulator i have seen has controlled the reality of a dimension or created cosmic storms under their own power. I do wonder what exactly people are looking for that is suppose to prove anyone on that last has no limit, set in stone.[/QUOTE]
Oh yh exactly, half of the list really have yet to prove their omega status. I mean magneto and the like are powerful but mags can't do a planetary feat without Amos or nearly liquidating his brain. The truth is that I went back to look at some Thor feats and to be fair he is seriously no slouch when it comes to the weather he and Jane have created cosmic weather to the point where Quentin quire stated that Ororo should eat her heart out because of the display of power before him.
My point is isn't that her feats aren't impressive they are some of the biggest omega feats on the list, the problem is that most of the most powerful not omega mutants can also reach planetary and possibly beyond too. The galactic core and trion dimension are also amazing feats which allude to something more but when you have do that once every decade then relegate her back to throwing lightning and on a good day wind stating she is omega losses it's weight. When I say omeganess I want to see more innovative uses of the weather powers like the trion or galactic core of if possibly something less big but still innovative.
All I want is for the xoffice to stop being lazy and get creative they stated she is omega so they should back it up with feats and showings otherwise they are just laying lipservice and we are just falling for it.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5545663]Storm fans: YAASSS! They've finally acknowledged Storm as an official Omega Level Mutant!
Storm fans: Storm has done nothing to prove she's an Omega Level Mutant![/QUOTE]
Actually I wasn't impressed by the omega title in house of x because she has always been omega to me. But as of yet weather she is the strongest weather manipulator I don't really know on that one. Because like I said the Thor squad gave done some very crazy things too ( but that could be because of a long running solo career). People being ecstatic about the planet size covers is cool but all age is doing is holding lightning and making it rain, all of which Thor can and has also done even in space. All I want is for the xoffice to delve deeper into her energy related weather powers or at least get creative with the basic elements. The problem is that we over on this forum have more creativity than most xwriters put together when it comes to ororo's powers. I mean let's take the telepaths as an example I know why jean is an omega telepath her telepathy allows her to siphon psychic energy even from the pheonix force to push her to god status. But I don't know why quetin is one. Same goes for many other omegas on the list. Especially when it comes to storm I hope planet size doesn't disapoint but I have a feeling it will.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5545703]Actually I wasn't impressed by the omega title in house of x because she has always been omega to me. But as of yet weather she is the strongest weather manipulator I don't really know on that one. Because like I said the Thor squad gave done some very crazy things too ( but that could be because of a long running solo career). People being ecstatic about the planet size covers is cool but all age is doing is holding lightning and making it rain, all of which Thor can and has also done even in space. All I want is for the xoffice to delve deeper into her energy related weather powers or at least get creative with the basic elements. The problem is that we over on this forum have more creativity than most xwriters put together when it comes to ororo's powers. I mean let's take the telepaths as an example I know why jean is an omega telepath her telepathy allows her to siphon psychic energy even from the pheonix force to push her to god status. But I don't know why quetin is one. Same goes for many other omegas on the list. Especially when it comes to storm I hope planet size doesn't disapoint but I have a feeling it will.[/QUOTE]
They did, Storm used the building blocks of the world and changed them making wind where there was none. Thor can't do that, his wind would still just be normal wind not creating weather conditions on a world that doesn't really have them using it's own laws of physics. I'm expecting the omega's to provide storm with the raw elements she needs and then she coalesces and sculpts those powers together to terraform. Could she do it on her own? most likely but it really doesn't make sense to.
[QUOTE=loke13;5545657]This post is all over the place and contradicts itself. How can you admit that Storm has power feats that showcase her Omega level abilities but than disregard those feats based on the poor handling of the X office?
That's like saying Thor has Feats that make him worthy of a god of thunder title but none of those Feats matter because Rachel Summers beat his ass but with a psychic hammer that one time.[/QUOTE]
Yh it does seam all over but let me clarify it at one point in his career havok was seen overwhelming his omega brother with energy, rouge has absorbed the energy of practically all the superheroes on earth to fight an invasion
Many other powerful mutants have very high end "omega" feats. What I am saying is that as at now Hickman and his crew have yet to demonstrate that storm is the most powerful weather manipulator in the universe, claremont and the others were alluding to that and we're building on it but we're ransacked by a bevy of very terrible writers who made storm need an atmosphere to use her powers whist she could breathe. All I want is indisputable evidence that she is the most powerful weather manipulator because I went over Thor's feats after yesterday and he has a whole lot of omega and possibly omega level weather feats. Or maybe the omega title doesn't include gods too that will make it clearer.
I am not talking about beat in a fight I am talking omega power and the capacity to not be surpassed by any means or fashion. Omegas can be killed they are not inherently immortal well yet. Also wasn't Rachel like omega herself that one time creating black holes and reading the minds of entire cities worth of people even the whole planet at once?
Yes that is the one feat I always go too. The giant size x-men storm feat. Up till date is my favorite because it was creative she did that and the next issues went back to throwing lighting again! Like why can't they just keep up the creativity if they need help I am sure many storm fans world work pro bono. Like she can control magnetic fields directly but we have yet to see her make a shield to protect herself or move metal. That one instance where she protects the majestic was extremely vague makes me wish for the editorial notes.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5545719]Yes that is the one feat I always go too. The giant size x-men storm feat. Up till date is my favorite because it was creative she did that and the next issues went back to throwing lighting again! Like why can't they just keep up the creativity if they need help I am sure many storm fans world work pro bono. Like she can control magnetic fields directly but we have yet to see her make a shield to protect herself or move metal. That one instance where she protects the majestic was extremely vague makes me wish for the editorial notes.[/QUOTE]
I could be wrong but it seems like you want feats and stuff to use them in battles against other people. I just honestly am trying to understand it and searching my mind real hard to but i really don't get it. Feat alone doesn't add or take anything away from a story. Storm has mostly been on earth when she is not we always see her powers used in more creative ways. I guess i just don't get it, over the years Storm has had more big feats than i think any x-man ever.
I think Legion is a good example. For instance people were talking about what he is capable of but none of that is what he is an omega for. Way of X#2 makes it pretty clear david is omega because [spoil] he has an infinite amount of personalities each with a power he is capable of controlling if his mind is present [/spoil] like how does one show the omeganess in that. We will never see all the personalities.
There's a time and a place. Omegas are not going full-on omega all day every day. There really is no point to do that as it would be a poor use of effort and energy. Imagine, calling down a galactic core to deal with a few thugs with guns? Storm (as with the other Omegas) has shown her range and potential when and where the moments call for it.