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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5720714]You all seem to know everything about how Marvel Super powers should work...I'm surprised you have to ask?[/QUOTE]
No I don't infact I am simply speculating based on comic text and such.....
So we... Well... I don't know. So I am asking you since you boldly stated, what is cosmic power and does breathing in space unaided automatically mean one has cosmic power?
Google Marvel's Cosmic Beings and see what you come up with.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5720676]The nature of cosmic or psionic powers is kinda fuzzy to me. I think cosmic powers deal with the fundamental forces that govern the universe adjusting and governing aspects of the universe with already established laws and principles or breaking them bordering and entering the abstract. Meanwhile psionic is mental influence over an aspect of the universe or reality which can also border on the abstract, that's why psionic is kinda beneath cosmic as the ultimate expression of a psionic is to go cosmic. The only one that seems distinct is mystical since incantations and stuff are needed to activate it. But even magic at a certain level doesn't really need much to work and operates similarity to cosmic and psionic powers case in point wanda being able to shape reality to her emotions in house of M without incantations except for the no more mutants thing. Does that make sense? I kinda wrote alot lol.
Storm has access to mystic, psionic and cosmic energy sources all to an measurable degree. I think that hadari yao being deeper than all these is when all these sources align bringing out her true ultimate expression. And that's why I think knull said he was his most powerful. Because with the like s of Thor though he has immeasurable mystical and then cosmic powers he didn't have Immeasurable psionic powers, hulk has immeasurable cosmic strength, legion has immeasurable psionic strength, same for all other omegas. But storm has all three locked and loaded on an immeasurable scale. When you sit and really think about it storm is like really really really op.[/QUOTE]
Haha….. found my old post….
[QUOTE=Daedra;5651913]Ok this is all my theory so take it with a grain of salt:
(Lots of head canon in it but I might as well share it)
Usually in the marvel universe high-end powers can be categorized by 3 different qualities:
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Cosmic Power[/COLOR] (power of the body)(physics): pure ultra-science in reed Richards or thanos style, unified control over the 4 foundamental forces of the universe, it’s a world of particles and quantification and logic, affinity for technology ….. atoms, molecules, photons, gravity, radiation etc… are under direct purview. (Scientific heroes… hulk,Fantastic four, captain marvel, silver surfer, quasar…..)
[COLOR="#0000FF"]Mystic Power [/COLOR](power of the soul)(philosophy): spiritual growth, esoteric knowledge, ability to manipulate magical forces for a variety of effects, it’s a world of spirits, fantastical creatures, elemental powers, extra dimensinal energies, karmic balance….. faith, symbolism, meaning & intention, arcane powers and knowledge can move reality accordingly. (Doctor Strange, Clea, Doctor Voodoo, Morgan le Fay….)
[COLOR="#008000"]Psionic Power [/COLOR](power of the mind)(biology): walks the line between body&soul, psionic power generation and manipulation, can be studied scientifically despite having some hard to quantify qualities, it’s a world of will, biochemical manipulation of ones’s body, astral self, empathy, telepathy, consciousness projection, can affect the physical word by specific or generic application of psionic energies generated by the brain with different affinities (tele-hydro-photo-thermo-cryo-ergo etc…. -kinesis), (mutants, xavier, emma frost, jean grey, vulcan, proteus are just some top examples)
Hybridization is very possible and common, you can have psionic manipulation via cosmic energy or cosmic forces manipulation via psionic means, mystic powers can emulate cosmic feats or affect the body as psionic would.
Mortals usually only have 1 source of power and can at best develop (and loose) a secondary source during their lifespawn (think of Illyana Rasputin or Jean Grey during her time as phoenix)
[B][COLOR="#800080"]GODS[/COLOR][/B] (this is really what makes Ororo so different from the rest) can be distinguished by mere mortals because they naturally possess personal intrinsic reservoirs of each branch, whether they decide to cultivate each of the three branches or just focus on one their nature is always trine, true gods have a COSMIC, MYSTICAL and PSIONIC dimension to themselves (think a tridimensional being ability to act opposed to a bi-dimensional one) ( this is where I see characters like Gaea, Thor, [B][COLOR="#40E0D0"]Storm[/COLOR][/B], Chthon, Odin, Osthur etc….)[/QUOTE]
It's a good thing you admitted to head-canoning...and that your post was mainly theory. ie not canonical fact.
Storm is an OL. She's a Goddess of some sort. She is not a Cosmic Being...as such is defined by Marvel.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5720726]do you have scans of this friend?[/QUOTE]
Here you go, last issue of Royals
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5720739]It's a good thing you admitted to head-canoning...and that your post was mainly theory. ie not canonical fact.
Storm is an OL. She's a Goddess of some sort. She is not a Cosmic Being...as such is defined by Marvel.[/QUOTE]
You still haven't answered the thing my dear... What the F is cosmic power according to you. Because I say it is based on the four fundamental forces as per the power cosmic.... But apparently that is not what it is and since speculation is a s sin, I would like you to clear the air with your definition of what it is so we all follow that meter. So come on what is cosmic power as per you.
[QUOTE=Daedra;5720734]Haha….. found my old post….[/QUOTE]
And that's on that. Storms power is psionic, she has the capacity to bond spiritually with celestial bodies and the universe itself so much so that she can hold all eternity in her, and can operate with molecules and all fundamental forces that determine weather which is pretty much all four of them, and the ability to psionically interact with these forces. Looks like a lock on Cosmic, psionic and mystical to me.
Or Daedra I am tripping balls.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5720739]It's a good thing you admitted to head-canoning...and that your post was mainly theory. ie not canonical fact.
Storm is an OL. She's a Goddess of some sort. She is not a Cosmic Being...as such is defined by Marvel.[/QUOTE]
Sure, as far as I am concerned this is just a way for us to have fun exposing different theories and killing time, it never occurred to me to impose my ideas on anyone else
It's wierd it's almost as of the concept of fun theorizing is lost on them maybe someone should let them know we are fans and fans theorize and come up with concepts based on cannon to better understand their favorite charachter. Plus it is fun.
Oh well at least they have the good chunk of the past twenty years worth of comics plus Duggan's marauders to go to for mediocre streetfighter storm. We are looking to greater bigger divine omega level things plus actually exploration her ancestry Ashake should have a solo by now.
[QUOTE=Daedra;5720747]Here you go, last issue of Royals
[IMG]https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/af33/RiptideX/C774FA95-74C0-4458-9A68-E66969D887E0.jpeg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
She can also hold a air pocket together against the vacuum of space
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Anyway,
Guys check this out it's a clip of a charachter called accelerator who literally can manipulate vectors, which includes compressing Wind into plasma. In this clip he creates a plasma ball that was going to incinerate the entire city.
[video=youtube_share;x5qge5FlUZ0]https://youtu.be/x5qge5FlUZ0[/video]
So I was wondering if storm could harness the wind to this extent. I mean if she is going to move just wind and lightning might as well let her be omega with them.
oh wow thanks dae thats impressive. if crystal can do that surely storm can. marvel... make it happen.
[QUOTE=Daedra;5720747]Here you go, last issue of Royals
[IMG]https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/af33/RiptideX/C774FA95-74C0-4458-9A68-E66969D887E0.jpeg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That's an impressive and deadly feat. If they stay to long in that field, she will run out out oxygen to recycle. Where were they going?
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5720662]You don't even make sense lmao... One above all is above all psionic, fundamental, magic, and abstract powers of the Marvel multiverse. I mean if you're going to downplay have some factual evidence because you stated the phoenix doesn't have an affinity to magic and that was a lie.[/QUOTE]
I am not downplaying anything, gods are not inherently magical. A god can perform feats without using divine magic, but simply because they have actual authority. It's not a hard fast rule that everything a god does is magically based. As Odin stated he and Thanos are all connected to the same source of limitless energy and power the only difference is the nature of how they channel their power he does so with divine mysticism whilst Thanos does so with scientific apparatus.
You are treating divine magic as a catch all term for anything a god does when that simply isn't the case as it's more convoluted than that.
Also let's make this relevant to the begining of whatever this is. If the pheonix was to face the adversary do you honestly believe the adversary would be able to take down the pheonix? Would it just be because pheonix doesn't have high order magic? I doubt that, why? because pheonix is simply greater than he is same as the elder gods are above him and eternity and the living tribunal are all above him. That's why I am saying that hadari yao overpowered him not because she was using high order magic but simply because she is mightier than him. She didnt even battle him all she did was singlehandedly push him back, had we seen an actual battle then we would draw conclusions that she used elements of a spell or whatever...but as it stands now we have literally nothing suggesting that because info on hadari yao is still very scarce. We simply know that the faith of wakandans activated her godhead same as the spores did in shuri.
All I hope for is that Ewing would flesh out her divinity more during his run and establish her beyond wakanda and unto the greater MU as a whole.[/QUOTE]
For one I said the origin of Storm's power is divine magic. That doesn't mean she can't manipulate cosmic elements and etc it just means the source or origin will be divine
Odin literally says in the scan he can do what Thanos can but the origin of his power are divine mystical. That literally takes away from the point you were trying to make. He uses magic to manipulate cosmic elements while Thanos was born the power to manipulate the cosmic elements themselves being half Eternal.
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Stated once again his powers are mystical
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It's shown that godheads are mystical
Storm did not defeat Adversary with her physical mutant powers. This is the same guy who fought Forge, who fought Magik in Limbo where she is basically Omnipotent and Roma who had pan-dimensional energy of Otherworld which is the source of magic, closed the whole in reality caused by the chaos wave which was doing to destroy the Marvel multiverse, and sustains a nexus of all dimensions in marvel. Storm with her mutant/physical powers will never be written on that level.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5720818]Anyway,
Guys check this out it's a clip of a charachter called accelerator who literally can manipulate vectors, which includes compressing Wind into plasma. In this clip he creates a plasma ball that was going to incinerate the entire city.
[video=youtube_share;x5qge5FlUZ0]https://youtu.be/x5qge5FlUZ0[/video]
So I was wondering if storm could harness the wind to this extent. I mean if she is going to move just wind and lightning might as well let her be omega with them.[/QUOTE]
If I remember correctly Storm did something similar...
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The thing is though.....
Odin, Gaea, Zeus, Chthon, and all the gods there were powers are mystical by nature.
Using those powers they are able to manipulate cosmic and psionic forces.
The retcons do not even make sense because how is Oshtur psychic plane the source of mental and cosmic energy when she was born way after the universe was made.
The power cosmic is still cosmic energy of the old universe and cosmic energy of the 616 universes existed when Phoenix made the big bang. The phoenix is way older than Oshtur also stated to be the nexus of psionic energy. Which does not make sense for gods to have exclusive power over psionic and cosmic energy. Yes manipulated through mystical means but the other ways I don't see it.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5720849]The thing is though.....
Odin, Gaea, Zeus, Chthon, and all the gods there were powers are mystical by nature.
Using those powers they are able to manipulate cosmic and psionic forces.
The retcons do not even make sense because how is Oshtur psychic plane the source of mental and cosmic energy when she was born way after the universe was made.
The power cosmic is still cosmic energy of the old universe and cosmic energy of the 616 universes existed when Phoenix made the big bang. The phoenix is way older than Oshtur also stated to be the nexus of psionic energy. Which does not make sense for gods to have exclusive power over psionic and cosmic energy. Yes manipulated through mystical means but the other ways I don't see it.[/QUOTE]
Well it would make sense if oshtur left eons before the first war between the gods. As Gaia had the earth oshtur had the astral plane. The pheonix is a greater form of existence as it is concept made manifest literally. The embodiment of all life as such the embodiment of all psionic power. The astral plane is simply a realm that is easily accessed by psychics and astral projectors but ultimately it is a plane of existence a temple unto the goddess oshtur. It isn't the source of all psionic power maybe it is maybe it isn't but ultimately all psionic power comes from the pheonix.
So since all elder gods are simply mystical I guess hadari yao is too and I can't argue with that.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5720848]If I remember correctly Storm did something similar...
[ATTACH=CONFIG]113509[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
She created high pressures to contain a nuclear explosion but she hasn't compressed wind to plasma. It would be astounding though. To understand how this happens in nature gas and dust is compressed by the gravity of a black hole to create an accretion disk which glows sure to the matter being accelerated to near light speeds. She has manipulated plasma though directly.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5720818]Anyway,
Guys check this out it's a clip of a charachter called accelerator who literally can manipulate vectors, which includes compressing Wind into plasma. In this clip he creates a plasma ball that was going to incinerate the entire city.
[video=youtube_share;x5qge5FlUZ0]https://youtu.be/x5qge5FlUZ0[/video]
So I was wondering if storm could harness the wind to this extent. I mean if she is going to move just wind and lightning might as well let her be omega with them.[/QUOTE]
I enjoyed that. I would love to see Storm perform events, meteorological phenomena even if they are very simple, I just read about Cumulonimbus, clouds that bring a violent storm, carrying a colossal amount of energy that can reach 10 times the energy contained in an atomic bomb (about that , I don't know if it's true), even if it's the base of its mutant power, it would be nice to see.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5720838]That's an impressive and deadly feat. If they stay to long in that field, she will run out out oxygen to recycle. Where were they going?[/QUOTE]
I believe you cannot run out of oxygen that way because for every O2 your organism absorbs you emit a CO2 molecule so nothing is lost in the process.
As long as Crystal keeps using her powers on the excess carbon dioxide they will never run out of breath.
As you can see, we just turn oxigen into carbon dioxide, but it’s all there if you consider we also emit small amounts of vapor
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They were escaping the progenitors and crossing a very empty section if space, the royals just recovered the “prima materia”, the purest form of primagen superior even to the terrigen crystals.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5720902]Well it would make sense if oshtur left eons before the first war between the gods. As Gaia had the earth oshtur had the astral plane. The pheonix is a greater form of existence as it is concept made manifest literally. The embodiment of all life as such the embodiment of all psionic power. The astral plane is simply a realm that is easily accessed by psychics and astral projectors but ultimately it is a plane of existence a temple unto the goddess oshtur. It isn't the source of all psionic power maybe it is maybe it isn't but ultimately all psionic power comes from the pheonix.
So since all elder gods are simply mystical I guess hadari yao is too and I can't argue with that.[/QUOTE]
The elder gods were born after the Earth was new so the retcon does not make sense at all.
Silver Surfer stated the power cosmic which is the cosmic energy of the old universe source is the psychic plane is bad writing
Oshtur having all mental energy comes from the psychic plane also bad writing because the phoenix has been alive way before 616 and the universe before it was made. Oshtur dimension was stated to be the interplane of the marvel multiverse itself.
So it doesn't make sense for their powers to be cosmic or psionic in origin mystical yes.
I'm not at all averse to the concept of fun. I'm quite entertained by the lengths some of you go to to make Storm far more than she actually is.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5721339]I'm not at all averse to the concept of fun. I'm quite entertained by the lengths some of you go to to make Storm far more than she actually is.[/QUOTE]
" I am a woman, a mutant, a thief, an X-Men, a lover, a wife, a queen. I am all these things. I am Storm, and for me, there are no such things as limits."
--Ororo Munroe (Earth-616)
And that ends this irrelevant conversation.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5721030]The elder gods were born after the Earth was new so the retcon does not make sense at all.
Silver Surfer stated the power cosmic which is the cosmic energy of the old universe source is the psychic plane is bad writing
Oshtur having all mental energy comes from the psychic plane also bad writing because the phoenix has been alive way before 616 and the universe before it was made. Oshtur dimension was stated to be the interplane of the marvel multiverse itself.
So it doesn't make sense for their powers to be cosmic or psionic in origin mystical yes.[/QUOTE]
I see it as the mental plane is a fraction of all psionic power. It being the source of the power cosmic I admit doesn't make sense as hyperstorm channelled the power of hyperspace to manipulate the fundamental forces.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5720303]You reread issue #6 while its issue #16[/QUOTE]
Hey! I was using the info given to us as evidence... Don't kill the comic collector :p
any of you all playing mff? how ru liking the storm play?
also storm appearance next week in wakanda annihilation!!! im ready are you?
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-xzYGhWEAo6LI9?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-xzYHTWEAQkVtx?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
[QUOTE=Micabe;5721796]Hey! I was using the info given to us as evidence... Don't kill the comic collector :p[/QUOTE]
Yh yh yh read and stop complaining.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5721895]also storm appearance next week in wakanda annihilation!!! im ready are you?
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-xzYGhWEAo6LI9?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-xzYHTWEAQkVtx?format=jpg&name=large[/img][/QUOTE]
Yh hopefully it's more than a few panels fingers crossed that hadari yao makes an appearance.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5721943]Yh hopefully it's more than a few panels fingers crossed that hadari yao makes an appearance.[/QUOTE]
I'm just happy to see her with her man again! I'm excited
I still love the partial shift her hair takes to clouds. That elemental form so close yet so far! [IMG]https://i.gifer.com/origin/c5/c567358867ec0103e2aaf4e21a0b9531_w200.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5721950]I still love the partial shift her hair takes to clouds. That elemental form so close yet so far! [IMG]https://i.gifer.com/origin/c5/c567358867ec0103e2aaf4e21a0b9531_w200.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Lolol ikr like marvel stop teasing us already and give her her elemental form.
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5721950]I still love the partial shift her hair takes to clouds. That elemental form so close yet so far! [IMG]https://i.gifer.com/origin/c5/c567358867ec0103e2aaf4e21a0b9531_w200.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
its right around the corner. I can feel it!!
My happy place when i get overwhelmed.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5722143]My happy place when i get overwhelmed.
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Storm looks like she's aching to smite a b1tch but Jean's trying to telepathically calm her down!
I love it.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5721886]any of you all playing mff? how ru liking the storm play?[/QUOTE]
I'm still playing and she's OK. I've only played with her and Strange so far.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5721895]also storm appearance next week in wakanda annihilation!!! im ready are you?
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-xzYGhWEAo6LI9?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-xzYHTWEAQkVtx?format=jpg&name=large[/img][/QUOTE]
Ohhh next week?!! And I'm working from home too (hopefully).
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5721886]any of you all playing mff? how ru liking the storm play?[/QUOTE]
she literally still the perfect definition of Glass Cannnon, massive DPS but one slap and she dies (if we're talking about her latest uniform)
[QUOTE=twisted sun;5722241]I'm still playing and she's OK. I've only played with her and Strange so far.[/QUOTE]
who do you like better put of the two?
[QUOTE=twisted sun;5722244]Ohhh next week?!! And I'm working from home too (hopefully).[/QUOTE]
yess boo. I hope you get to work from.home too!!! driving into work is the worst
[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5722247]she literally still the perfect definition of Glass Cannnon, massive DPS but one slap and she dies (if we're talking about her latest uniform)[/QUOTE]
yea she is definitely a glass cannon
I think she is best crowd controller.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5722491]who do you like better put of the two?
yess boo. I hope you get to work from.home too!!! driving into work is the worst
yea she is definitely a glass cannon
I think she is best crowd controller.[/QUOTE]
You know I'm going to say Storm, glass canon or not. But I kinda found some attacks that work like I want. Plus I just started with Strange.