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AMAZING! What issue is this?
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AMAZING! What issue is this?
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5767276]AMAZING! What issue is this?[/QUOTE]
hey boo this is the issue 2 cover for black panther legends.
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Oh Goddess, not another fight!
Love her hair though! I'm thrilled they are keeping that cloud texture.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5766953]Since nothing is coming out of Storm (after Espada #8), I'm wondering about that, and what Brand is doing, who mentioned the name Ororo.
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And duly noted that while Brand did block the call for "earth's" help -- for whatever reasons such as hiding the wanda murder etc or making sure Krakoans get the credit for the response and hence the "avengers" wouldn't have come to their rescue to steal that and yet she personally called Wakanda Prime -- yup curious what was she up to?
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5767326]Oh Goddess, not another fight!
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Solicits suggest this is the retelling of their first meeting -- for the nth time -- so unless they want another uproar for reversing that story -- this is not a fight pose...
Also
Im gonna try to pretend I didnt see his hand wrapped around her back as if holding her closer -- and how that other leg ----------- and I should stop here....*wide grin*
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Now if TChalla other hand ,could grab that thigh...
::Start to fan one'self::::
great pic, reminds of the storm/death one. Hopefully this time they skip the pedophilia writing this time. And no tchalla wasn't a predator but imo anyone who thought i twas okay to have a 12 year old black girl having sex in a american comic as though it was some right of passage got problems.
edit: I do not like the idea of romanticizing underage sex, especially at that age and i wouldn't want a 12 year old black girl or any 12 year old girl reading and thinking that.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5767586]great pic, reminds of the storm/death one. Hopefully this time they skip the pedophilia writing this time. And no tchalla wasn't a predator but imo anyone who thought i twas okay to have a 12 year old black girl having sex in a american comic as though it was some right of passage got problems.
edit: I do not like the idea of romanticizing underage sex, especially at that age and i wouldn't want a 12 year old black girl or any 12 year old girl reading and thinking that.[/QUOTE]
She was stealing to survive at age six to begin with -- but sure the original post of that "issue" settled on the "deep concern" about sexual stuff -- okay -- they were also depicted as kids who were being "poached" in that cliche story but everyone has issue with just the sex -- okay --
Good thing I was already an adult when I read it -- coz I should have parental instinct already not to recommend it to six year old -- coz stealing is still stealing -- and no one said anything about it -- but the sex -- oh the sex was a juicy stuff that pester till this day...
[QUOTE=LadyXKerrigan;5767777]She was stealing to survive at age six to begin with -- but sure the original post of that "issue" settled on the "deep concern" about sexual stuff -- okay -- they were also depicted as kids who were being "poached" in that cliche story but everyone has issue with just the sex -- okay --
Good thing I was already an adult when I read it -- coz I should have parental instinct already not to recommend it to six year old -- coz stealing is still stealing -- and no one said anything about it -- but the sex -- oh the sex was a juicy stuff that pester till this day...[/QUOTE]
Ok I'm glad your okay with twelve year Olds having sex and equate that with a six year old stealing to survive. I said how I felt.
Edit: though i do have to say the idea of just make sure only adults read the story is kind of creepy to me. So that story was for adults? yeesh.
edit 2: just to add, it's definitely not a good look adding to america's problem of overly sexualizing young black girls.
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Good afternoon just for those who realized who the real mamacita was.
[QUOTE=LadyXKerrigan;5767490]Solicits suggest this is the retelling of their first meeting -- for the nth time -- so unless they want another uproar for reversing that story -- this is not a fight pose...[/QUOTE]
Good! I'm tired of them starting fake drama between Storm and BP "just because". It's beneath both characters and only takes the place of actual stories that they could be telling.
And because i like to be fair. Honest question did them having sex when she was 12 add anything to the story? I don't think it did. Why couldn't there be another flashback to them circling back later when she was older as it has been established they ran into each other several times and have him be her first when she is more mature rather than as a preteen.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5767845]And because i like to be fair. Honest question did them having sex when she was 12 add anything to the story? I don't think it did. Why couldn't there be another flashback to them circling back later when she was older as it has been established they ran into each other several times and have him be her first when she is more mature rather than as a preteen.[/QUOTE]
It was disgusting and unnecessary. The original version of their first meeting established by Claremont is the only one I recognize.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5767865]It was disgusting and unnecessary. The original version of their first meeting established by Claremont is the only one I recognize.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. And it truly makes me wonder who the story was for. I can't imagine any man or woman in their right man that would want to give this story to their preteen daughter or teenage son for that matter because of the message it sends. And if people aren't suppose to be able to give the story to that demographic why was it even written, who was it being marketed to? Black kids shouldn't be able to read about young friendship between a man and a woman without being subjected to that kind of trash?
[QUOTE=LadyXKerrigan;5767777]She was stealing to survive at age six to begin with -- but sure the original post of that "issue" settled on the "deep concern" about sexual stuff -- okay -- they were also depicted as kids who were being "poached" in that cliche story but everyone has issue with just the sex -- okay --
Good thing I was already an adult when I read it -- coz I should have parental instinct already not to recommend it to six year old -- coz stealing is still stealing -- and no one said anything about it -- but the sex -- oh the sex was a juicy stuff that pester till this day...[/QUOTE]
I know right. Her whole back story is ruff. Death of parent ,buried with their dead bodies , survival on the streets, stealing, doing heist. Having people hunt her. Almost getting rape. And staving off death.
But falling in love and choosing to lose her virginity, oh no that was just too much. She's been adulting since she was an orphan.
And please I'm sure TChalla has been to her remote mountain tops many of times over the years before she joined the Xmen.
A twelve year old falling in love and choosing to lose her virginity over a course of a few days, months at most. Are some of these people actually listening to themselves. *barf* I feel like i need to call the FBI i feel so dirty.
Lol ya’ll a mess. Thankfully Dickey’s depiction has been retconned back to the original Claremont version. Sonce that travesty of a story came out I think we’ve had 3 or 4 different issues call back to the Claremont MTU book. I have yet to see Dickey’s acknowledged anywhere else.
Thanks @Kyss - I think this mini starts next week, right?
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5768071]Lol ya’ll a mess. Thankfully Dickey’s depiction has been retconned back to the original Claremont version. Sonce that travesty of a story came out I think we’ve had 3 or 4 different issues call back to the Claremont MTU book. [B]I have yet to see Dickey’s acknowledged anywhere else.[/B]
Thanks @Kyss - I think this mini starts next week, right?[/QUOTE]
Not sure if that was meant to be canon.
Also I doubt anyone would reference it considering Dickey is no longer with us.
For those concerned about sexual material for kids-might want to CHECK the school libraries in whatever school district you are in.
You will be amazed at what books are there for kids to check out. Like ZANE.
Same with Public library-I still wonder how Sex Criminals & Preacher can be in the kids section at some of the branches here.
[QUOTE]A twelve year old falling in love and choosing to lose her virginity over a course of a few days, months at most. [/QUOTE]
Sometimes it's not their choice. But that is a conversation folks don't want to have-while they are digging up old tweets to harrass NFL coaches over.
the Dickey story was retconned back to the original story in the amazing xmen annual
@wider: yes its out this weds!!!
Please lets not shame Women who are mature enough to lose their Virginity at said any age
I openly shame anyone that feels any 12 year old is mature enough to have sex. I'm willing to fall on that sword.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5768304]I openly shame anyone that feels any 12 year old is mature enough to have sex. I'm willing to fall on that sword.[/QUOTE]
So your going to harass every woman that made their choice?
Personally, I'm done with the re-hashings and re-tellings.
I don't care if it stars two of my favourite Marvel characters. If you can't write me something new and interesting then you're not getting my money.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5768307]So your going to harass every woman that made their choice?[/QUOTE]
That doesn't even make any sense. lol. IF old dudes think it's okay to be pedophiles that's on them but i'm not in the business of asking people about their sex life. I am talking about what i think on it and what i think of a story sold to the masses that features it and is suppose to be distributed to young adults and it is what it is. But let me see a guy hitting on a 12 year old girl and i'm calling the cops and then the fbi to come get them, period.
You keep mentioning paedophilia.
Again respect the women who made her choice to lose her virginty to the man she loves. Where dose the paedophilia comes in?
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5768320]You keep mentioning paedophilia.
Again respect the women who made her choice to lose her virginty to the man she loves. Where dose the paedophilia comes in?[/QUOTE]
I have nothing else to say on it. Your not going to change my mind or my verbiage, in my country whether they want to do it or not it's illegal. So what was printed in the us was illegal even if it was in a fictional africa. And every piece of science out there indicates no one is mature at 12, male or female. So if it's people thing to have sex with mentally undeveloped children then i just find it nasty. We can move on now.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5768325]I have nothing else to say on it. Your not going to change my mind or my verbiage, in my country whether they want to do it or not it's illegal. So what was printed in the us was illegal even if it was in a fictional africa.[/QUOTE]
So a us comic depicted real life in the real world, and since it rubs you the wrong way you must subjugate the rest of us to your moral upbringing. While insulting the rest of the world around you. By saying a woman at any age could not and should not be able to make the best decision for herself
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5768332]So a us comic depicted real life in the real world, and since it rubs you the wrong way you must subjugate the rest of us to your moral upbringing. While insulting the rest of the world around you. By saying a woman at any age could not and should not be able to make the best decision for herself[/QUOTE]
Yes i am saying that science indicates that the brain is not mature at 12. Yes. Anything else?
edit: oh and that i find it personally nasty. I think i've been pretty clear.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5768336]Yes i am saying that science indicates that the brain is not mature at 12. Yes. Anything else?[/QUOTE]
And science once claim homosexuality was a mental disease. And not too long ago the science was against transgender. So use whatever method you want to irrationally subjugate Woman and their choices.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5768338]And science once claim homosexuality was a mental disease. And not too long ago the science was against transgender. So use whatever method you want to irrationally subjugate Woman and their choices.[/QUOTE]
okay? Thanks?
Does anyone remember which issue?
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5768404]Does anyone remember which issue?
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I believe xmen 61.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5767845]And because i like to be fair. Honest question did them having sex when she was 12 add anything to the story? I don't think it did. Why couldn't there be another flashback to them circling back later when she was older as it has been established they ran into each other several times and have him be her first when she is more mature rather than as a preteen.[/QUOTE]
Honest question too -- in that book where everything else around her aint normal (orphan kids, no parental guidance, thieving to survive, and in general child trafficking) did the sex part the only thing that got stuck to you? Or was that the influence of that one post years ago that bloated the oh so juicy stuff of underaged sex in an unnatural (withour a proper adult telling her sex at age 12 is damnation girl -- STD and all that stuff) environment called fiction world (oh yes she flies in it too) you cant move past from -- id say I can read it without concentrating on the sex part and still see how unfortunate this child's life would have been -- message received --- sure 12 year olds would be curious but sure where are news that says they did it coz a comic book "suggested it" dumb kid -- any harry potter fans looked for 3/4 platform etc yet? go ahead have any 12 year old read it if you want -- but I did not say I wanted kids to read it -- its not for kids through and through and Its not just because of the sex it involves kids thieving and yielding knives if Id be much more precise of my sensitivity -- its you putting words in my post that wasnt there -- sure whatever humanitarian act you wish to do with these mediums do it -- but its a book definitely not for kids and I dont have to reiterate just the sex part coz definitely read the book as a whole and I see more than just sex -- nobody implied that 12 year olds would be reading it anyways -- neither did I -- if they have comics money -- and they have parents/guardians -- i think it will be censored by said adult too -- so its an adult book given that it tackles child trafficking, child theft, attempted rape, head crushing dead bodies, and yeah the most bloated issue of theoretical sex -- all those things and the last part the only one you want to point out is its bad coz there is "underaged sex"
-- geez that issue couldn't die even if the writer is dead
if the writer havent found peace in his soul coz you cant -- sometime in the future you I hope you get peace with one part of his bigger story which is a consequence of that unnatural fictional environment -- for everyone's sake -- coz at one point or another somebody had to bring back the same debate from somebody's bloated point (or im hoping it wasnt you) that overshadowed the issues called its child trafficking reality coz geez what can anyone say about a book but how did the sex part fair to 12 year olds?(-- thats also creepy too) I think the retell is best for those who cant move on from that underage thing than 12 year old for their peace of mind -- its not just about underaged sex geez...
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5768404]Does anyone remember which issue?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5768496]I believe xmen 61.[/QUOTE]
Actually this is from X-Men Unlimited Vol 1 #7. This is when Storm, Jean and Remy return to Egypt because Storm's mentor is dying. Chandra wants to take over his clan of thieves and Storm and her battle it out.
[QUOTE=LadyXKerrigan;5768538]Honest question too -- in that book where everything else around her aint normal (orphan kids, no parental guidance, thieving to survive, and in general child trafficking) did the sex part the only thing that got stuck to you? Or was that the influence of that one post years ago that bloated the oh so juicy stuff of underaged sex in an unnatural (withour a proper adult telling her sex at age 12 is damnation girl -- STD and all that stuff) environment called fiction world (oh yes she flies in it too) you cant move past from -- id say I can read it without concentrating on the sex part and still see how unfortunate this child's life would have been -- message received --- sure 12 year olds would be curious but sure where are news that says they did it coz a comic book "suggested it" dumb kid -- any harry potter fans looked for 3/4 platform etc yet? go ahead have any 12 year old read it if you want -- but I did not say I wanted kids to read it -- its not for kids through and through and Its not just because of the sex it involves kids thieving and yielding knives if Id be much more precise of my sensitivity -- its you putting words in my post that wasnt there -- sure whatever humanitarian act you wish to do with these mediums do it -- but its a book definitely not for kids and I dont have to reiterate just the sex part coz definitely read the book as a whole and I see more than just sex -- nobody implied that 12 year olds would be reading it anyways -- neither did I -- if they have comics money -- and they have parents/guardians -- i think it will be censored by said adult too -- so its an adult book given that it tackles child trafficking, child theft, attempted rape, head crushing dead bodies, and yeah the most bloated issue of theoretical sex -- all those things and the last part the only one you want to point out is its bad coz there is "underaged sex"
-- geez that issue couldn't die even if the writer is dead
if the writer havent found peace in his soul coz you cant -- sometime in the future you I hope you get peace with one part of his bigger story which is a consequence of that unnatural fictional environment -- for everyone's sake -- coz at one point or another somebody had to bring back the same debate from somebody's bloated point (or im hoping it wasnt you) that overshadowed the issues called its child trafficking reality coz geez what can anyone say about a book but how did the sex part fair to 12 year olds?(-- thats also creepy too) I think the retell is best for those who cant move on from that underage thing than 12 year old for their peace of mind -- its not just about underaged sex geez...[/QUOTE]
It is what it is. I dont have anything else to add on the subject that i havent already posted. We can get back to appreciating storm.
Now you want to not talk of the sex -- stop bringing it back -- and using kids as an excuse for your own rationalization...that doesnt even excuse you from accusing anyone here of your condescending posts -- now thats immature. You 12?
Oh and we are appreciating the incoming issue till you started bringing back an old issue -- then act like a victim geez--
[QUOTE=LadyXKerrigan;5768560]Now you want to not talk of the sex -- stop bringing it back -- and using kids as an excuse for your own rationalization...that doesnt even excuse you from accusing anyone here of your condescending posts -- now thats immature. You 12?
Oh and we are appreciating the incoming issue till you started bringing back an old issue -- then act like a victim geez--[/QUOTE]
Now your just waisting your time. Im not going to take the bait. You can infer and read into whatever you want. I said what i said and i dont take any of it back or feel bad about it. I gave opinion not accusations. How you cope with it or dont is on you.
I hope the same story isnt retold in the bad way it was told before. Period.
[QUOTE=Stormrocks;5768545]Actually this is from X-Men Unlimited Vol 1 #7. This is when Storm, Jean and Remy return to Egypt because Storm's mentor is dying. Chandra wants to take over his clan of thieves and Storm and her battle it out.[/QUOTE]
I hated the art but loved the story. Storm took off her belt and whooped Candra like she was her disobedient daughter :D!
“Didn’t *whap* I *whap* tell *whap* you *whap* to *whap* check *whap* that *whap* mouth *whap* *whap* *whap*!”
[QUOTE=Stormrocks;5768545]Actually this is from X-Men Unlimited Vol 1 #7. This is when Storm, Jean and Remy return to Egypt because Storm's mentor is dying. Chandra wants to take over his clan of thieves and Storm and her battle it out.[/QUOTE]
thanks boo I couldn't recall it for the life of me.
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5768572]I hated the art but loved the story. Storm took off her belt and whooped Candra like she was her disobedient daughter :D!
“Didn’t *whap* I *whap* tell *whap* you *whap* to *whap* check *whap* that *whap* mouth *whap* *whap* *whap*!”[/QUOTE]
u hated the art too lol
[QUOTE=jwatson;5768569]Now your just waisting your time. Im not going to take the bait. You can infer and read into whatever you want. I said what i said and i dont take any of it back or feel bad about it. I gave opinion not accusations. How you cope with it or dont is on you.
I hope the same story isnt retold in the bad way it was told before. Period.[/QUOTE]
Cant help but be selfish? -- so Ill tag this again as its as clear as any adult opinion -- do not use children to justify your point -- and then generalizing that every 12 year old are immature in another post -- as your excuse to justify the "use and abuse of children" Don't worry I can cope with shit posting in character fan doms -- although this is where I will draw the line -- Just making sure this is clear to you -- DONT BRING THAT BELIEF OUTSIDE OF THIS FORUM- we can shrug off whatever verbatim you throw -- but call a kid "Immature" at age 12 anywhere from the tip of the follicles down to toenails ever again and I'll never stop correcting how wrongful that statement is -- that word is one the most abusive and the worst word choice to be used to any kid -- if you can't respect other's opinions of Ororo's depiction the way you warrant respect to your "opinions" then by all means as an adult -- PLEASE RESPECT REAL 12 year old by not condescending their maturity level even if its delayed, advanced, or not adjunct to your beliefs or what you perceive as "maturity" and using it on children -- that's contradicting your first point about respecting kids in general -- and stop claiming on behalf of science - no science generalizes children's brains as immature at 12 -- its studies of brain development, situational theories, emotional growth and child - parent psychology - but definitive not meant to measure a child's worth of respect for his/her own development -- the studies suggest that this is the stage that parents are encouraged to start the talk about safe sex for real -- (the story again did not have a parent figure - you are totally missing that point but sure be morally self righteous about it - like I said reconciliation of adult readers can be addressed too if needed more) again this is not just about you -- stop being selfish -- no kid should even read comics with these issues without parental guidance at all - EJD had an excuse because Storm is fictional and cater to ages but you brought here the debate topic about real 12 year old maturity --- you don't get that excuse -- backed up by what study and under who's license I can sue? with this post? here?
[QUOTE=jwatson;5768336]Yes i am saying that science indicates that the brain is not mature at 12. Yes. Anything else?
edit: oh and that i find it personally nasty. I think i've been pretty clear.[/QUOTE]
and yes abuse come in a lot of forms too - not just physical -- if its still not clear to you then its my accountability as an adult to keep an eye of potential abusers who doesn't even know that this is an abusive word and that you lost your case on that very statement alone --now I could care less how you want to rally a lot of fans to condemn EJD down to his grave for that belief that Storm should be written as someone who can't feel mature love fictionally or act on her curiosity coz its fiction -- but I see you using that abusive word again on the pretext of real children -- I assure you I am so not wasting my professional time correcting you over and over and over again -- until you get that its not just your emotional maturity that matters which still doesn't give you an excuse to use "I care for a child who will read this" like a Munchausen syndrome -- and then give yourself away -- No -- you don't need a change of mind -- what you need is a reality check and an actual call out to that word -- are we clear? so for now move on - reconcile on your own issues about this issue without using the children you can't care to respect in reality or belief -- I am not stopping you if you want to help children in your community -- maybe you would get the importance of word choice to children when you actually deal with real 12 year olds -- and I am not kidding --
we all have our own morals -- and backgrounds -- but you don't go relentless shit posting unverified claims about real trigger words and expect an applause -- regardless how popular you are -- stating it here and actually experiencing it are two different things -- you should have known about that "word" if you really were "helping" kids out to back up your "claims" -- coz I dare you call yourself a victim again by tagging me again when I already stopped tagging you -- about something I can defend left right up and down legitimately -- what do you mean you won't take the bait? you sure? -- this is a storm appreciation thread stop making this about you --