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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5308172][COLOR="#000080"]With Scott and Jean forming the X-Men again, there's bound to be a point where they will come into conflict with The Quiet Council.
They're either going to find out about Moira or Destiny and then things will get interesting.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Ah yeah I agree then, the quiet council as it is bound for some post destruction renovation
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5308150][COLOR="#000080"]There are so many other nations/civilizations that fit the bill in the MU as well as Wakanda.
Let's just let them continue to work on the drama building in Krakoa and prepare for Schism II.
Okay, I have a question, multiple choice. Should Storm:
A. Stay on the Quiet Council.
B. Join the Summers/Grey consortium, i.e. the X-Men.
C. Revive her X-Treme X-Men team.
D. Go off on her own and do her own thing.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I don't think she'll be on the council anymore
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5308150][COLOR="#000080"]There are so many other nations/civilizations that fit the bill in the MU as well as Wakanda.
Let's just let them continue to work on the drama building in Krakoa and prepare for Schism II.
Okay, I have a question, multiple choice. Should Storm:
A. Stay on the Quiet Council.
B. Join the Summers/Grey consortium, i.e. the X-Men.
C. Revive her X-Treme X-Men team.
D. Go off on her own and do her own thing.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
1. She should leave the council.
2. She should definitely not join the xmen.
3. xtreme was boring af no thanks.
4. I like this one the best out of all the options presented.
[COLOR="#AFEEEE"][SIZE=5]A NEW YEAR! LET THERE BE MORE... STORM! ;)
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Happy New Year All
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5308548]1. She should leave the council.
2. She should definitely not join the xmen.
[B]3. xtreme was boring af no thanks.[/B]
4. I like this one the best out of all the options presented.[/QUOTE]
You thought Xtreme was boring. :O
In regards to the question, option 4 is the best choice in my eyes. I honestly would love to see Storm break out as a solo, independent character that still has ties to the XMen but far more influence in the wider MU (not just in Wakanda lol). I just feel that now that Krakoa is a nation and mutants have their own place, perhaps its time for certain characters to break out of the typical XMen team mold. The choice of Scott and Jean feels very natural IMO for them. I feel that Storm is another character that can break out and find her own voice and stand on her own. She has also been a very strong and unique character and I would be very intrigue to see what life "post XMEN" means for her.
I can't believe that about X-Treme either. There isn't a more Storm-centric run in the canon. Is it perfect? Of course not, but I loved what Claremont did with Storm breaking off from the mansion and leading her own team, ultimately brokering worldwide authority with the UN security council(XSE). It's a shame that concept barely was explored before Marvel threw the Fox properties under the bus(No More Mutants and the BP marriage).
This whole Krakoa nation story would benefit from her established statecraft, but Hickman hasn't seemed interested in that angle for her yet. I hope he has something in store for her, though aspects of XoS were glimmers of positive development. Overall her presence on the QC has been a waste. Either make some real moves or do something else entirely. Marauders has been a huge waste of time other than XoS, as I suspected at the onset.
I'd like to see Ororo and Monet together again. That GS issue was a little underwhelming but that pairing has potential.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5308698]Happy New Year All
You thought Xtreme was boring. :O
In regards to the question, option 4 is the best choice in my eyes. I honestly would love to see Storm break out as a solo, independent character that still has ties to the XMen but far more influence in the wider MU (not just in Wakanda lol). I just feel that now that Krakoa is a nation and mutants have their own place, perhaps its time for certain characters to break out of the typical XMen team mold. The choice of Scott and Jean feels very natural IMO for them. I feel that Storm is another character that can break out and find her own voice and stand on her own. She has also been a very strong and unique character and I would be very intrigue to see what life "post XMEN" means for her.[/QUOTE]
it just didn't measure up to Claremont's early uncanny run. I also didn't really care for the "police officer" element either. Ideally Ororo would fully embrace her godhead, leave the xmen, and delve into her ancestry (paternal/maternal) that would open her own corner within the MU. Her rogues would range from demigods to actual gods from her pantheon in which she shares and as such we could see other aspects of her abilities including the magical ones. She would help the Xmen in scenarios that required her powerset but in this new era she would move beyond just being a mutant/xmen. im ready for stories and threats that allow for her full potential to be explored and Xtreme and stories like it won't allow for that.
edit: just reread the entirety of this and we are essentially saying the same thing with the big exception being wakanda lol. she doesn't have to be as engraved in their stories even though I loved how Coates did this in his BP run, but her connections to wakanda is forever just as it is with the xmen.
Yup she was doing the cyclops before cyclops.
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This whole Krakoa nation story would benefit from her established statecraft, but Hickman hasn't seemed interested in that angle for her yet. I hope he has something in store for her, though aspects of XoS were glimmers of positive development. Overall her presence on the QC has been a waste. Either make some real moves or do something else entirely. Marauders has been a huge waste of time other than XoS, as I suspected at the onset.
I'd like to see Ororo and Monet together again. That GS issue was a little underwhelming but that pairing has potential.[/QUOTE]
The same. I am still underwhelmed by Hickman Storm. He gets points because he's one of the few X-Architects over the past 25 years or so to recognize her importance to the franchise. We can clearly see that by him making her a member of the Quiet Council AND giving her a Giant Size one shot. She also had a large role in X of Swords and she was actually competent and not plagued by paralysis inducing self doubt! There's no way previous regimes would have given her such big roles and serviceable agency.
But some of it is all still very flat. Her role on the Quiet Council has been pointless. She hasn't done anything of note while on it and the reasons that she got a seat at the table were a bit insulting and didn't do justice to her history/background.
I am waiting patiently though for better things. He's stepping in the right directions with the character so I am optimistic, which I have not been for a long time.
Well i loved X-treme X-men enough for everyone. The sass, the class, the marriage proposals, the inter-dimensional doom, the soul walk with jean, the starting up of xse, the girl time in the arena. Xtreme Xmen was as close to a great Storm solo as one could get.
The scene alone with the x-men all at the table claiming Storm as their own. I will always cherish Xtreme.
I mean how xtreme boring. I'm honestly stunned. lol Storm used her powers 3 different ways in Xtreme #2 alone.
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i mean how can all that swag be boring. i just. does. not. compute. lol
[QUOTE=jwatson;5309476]I mean how xtreme boring. I'm honestly stunned. lol Storm used her powers 3 different ways in Xtreme #2 alone.
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i mean how can all that swag be boring. i just. does. not. compute. lol[/QUOTE]
everything ain't for everybody. she had some nice moments but the book is evident feats dont compensate for storytelling. it was very hard to read honestly and in hindsight I wasn't shocked it was canceled.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5308724]I can't believe that about X-Treme either. There isn't a more Storm-centric run in the canon. Is it perfect? Of course not, but I loved what Claremont did with Storm breaking off from the mansion and leading her own team, ultimately brokering worldwide authority with the UN security council(XSE). It's a shame that concept barely was explored before Marvel threw the Fox properties under the bus(No More Mutants and the BP marriage).[/QUOTE]
House of M and Decimation had nothing to do with the X-men movie rights being in Fox's hands. At that point Marvel actualy made good money from Fox doing movies with their properties. After all that was something they had been working on through the 90's to get rolling (hoping movies based on their properties are made) in the hope of making the big buck that could safe their company (Books like Mavel Comics: The Untold History give insight in how keen they were on expanding their IPs to the cinema). Same for Spiderman over at Sony.
It wasn't until 3 years later when they took a huge gamble in making their own movie, based on a left over property (Iron Man being a b-list hero in public super hero awareness at the time), with a relative unknown actor/director at the helm and using a previously washed up actor as star, that the foundation for the Marvel Cinematic Universe was formed which only after several more successfull movies actualy got them so keen on getting their movie IPs back, which led to sabotage of the comics in the mid to late 2010's.
House of M actualy happend because the person in charge of the comic universe felt that the X-men had become far too prominent at the expense of all the other heros and groups (mainly Avengers who had actualy build up a strong comic presence with New Avengers in the early 2000's) both in comics and fandom and that writers got too lazy with creating super powered characters by just making them mutants.
So the bone headed decious was made that the mutants need to be put back to their roots of being small in number (the same person who decided that Spiderman should be a down on his luck single, go figure), hence mass depowering and a story in which Beast finds out that "NOTHING CAN REVERSE THIS! IT'S EVERYWHERE!" as if to hammer home that the editors are serious about wanting this status quo to last.
Though regardless of reason i agree that it was more interesting to have X-men operate as a UN sanctioned NGO handling mutant business (protection of mutants and protection from mutants), which got destroyed via Decimation and has not yet found any basis to return as idea.
Big fan of Xtreme. Losing Larrocca caused the book to lose steam though. GLMK2 was just not good, and Storm the Arena even had me saying that Claremont's bdsm fetish was just getting way too overt, but the book kinda recovered with the final arc. It was definitely a great Storm showcase though. She didn't feel fake and thin.
[QUOTE=Saturius;5309520]Big fan of Xtreme. Losing Larrocca caused the book to lose steam though. GLMK2 was just not good, and Storm the Arena even had me saying that Claremont's bdsm fetish was just getting way too overt, but the book kinda recovered with the final arc. It was definitely a great Storm showcase though. She didn't feel fake and thin.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree. Kordey was not a good replacement. Fit better on Uncanny or New...
[QUOTE=Saturius;5309425]The same. I am still underwhelmed by Hickman Storm. He gets points because he's one of the few X-Architects over the past 25 years or so to recognize her importance to the franchise. We can clearly see that by him making her a member of the Quiet Council AND giving her a Giant Size one shot. She also had a large role in X of Swords and she was actually competent and not plagued by paralysis inducing self doubt! There's no way previous regimes would have given her such big roles and serviceable agency.
But some of it is all still very flat. Her role on the Quiet Council has been pointless. She hasn't done anything of note while on it and the reasons that she got a seat at the table were a bit insulting and didn't do justice to her history/background.
I am waiting patiently though for better things. He's stepping in the right directions with the character so I am optimistic, which I have not been for a long time.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I agree with metalclouds, I don't think that she will be on the Quiet Council for long.
I think her and Kurt are the only ones left on the Council with any moral integrity. I can see her disagreeing with them a lot more and becoming disenchanted.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=jwatson;5309460]Well i loved X-treme X-men enough for everyone. The sass, the class, the marriage proposals, the inter-dimensional doom, the soul walk with jean, the starting up of xse, the girl time in the arena. Xtreme Xmen was as close to a great Storm solo as one could get.
The scene alone with the x-men all at the table claiming Storm as their own. I will always cherish Xtreme.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I feel the same. The Xtreme run holds a special place for me in regards to Storm. Claremont always puts Storm front and center when he writes the X Men. Even the X Men Forever series which many people disliked was Storm heavy. I mean we got 3 Storms in one run lol.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5309672][COLOR="#000080"]I agree with metalclouds, I don't think that she will be on the Quiet Council for long.
I think her and Kurt are the only ones left on the Council with any moral integrity. I can see her disagreeing with them a lot more and becoming disenchanted.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
ehhhh i think after her stunt in stealing skybreaker Kurt would only fit that bill.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5309813]ehhhh i think after her stunt in stealing skybreaker Kurt would only fit that bill.
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[COLOR="#000080"]Whew! I'm not gonna touch that one, lol! I'm keeping my promise, not gonna talk about it![/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5309825][COLOR="#000080"]Whew! I'm not gonna touch that one, lol! I'm keeping my promise, not gonna talk about it![/COLOR][/QUOTE]
lolol I understand but I can tell no lie. I love me some 'Ro but Tchalla was absolutely correct and one of such character traits cannot speak on possessing moral integrity:
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she returned the blade so im not sure she cares about that particular moment, it won't weight on her conscience
As i'm sure y'all know by now that the X-Men anime series is on Netflix now. I like it but I hate how they pretty much made Storm and Jean trade places as far as weakness. Every time Storm would use her power she'd be drained. I'm like wtf is this? I think on episode 3 or 4 Storm was gonna use her powers and the bad guy proceeded to drag her by saying like "You don't even have enough energy to power a light bulb". When I heard that I damn near gagged laughing
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5309867]As i'm sure y'all know by now that the X-Men anime series is on Netflix now. I like it but I hate how they pretty much made Storm and Jean trade places as far as weakness. Every time Storm would use her power she'd be drained. I'm like wtf is this? I think on episode 3 or 4 Storm was gonna use her powers and the bad guy proceeded to drag her by saying like "You don't even have enough energy to power a light bulb". When I heard that I damn near gagged laughing
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That anime was a dreadfull social experiment to see how ripped they could make cyclops
[QUOTE=metalclouds;5309867]As i'm sure y'all know by now that the X-Men anime series is on Netflix now. I like it but I hate how they pretty much made Storm and Jean trade places as far as weakness. Every time Storm would use her power she'd be drained. I'm like wtf is this? I think on episode 3 or 4 Storm was gonna use her powers and the bad guy proceeded to drag her by saying like "You don't even have enough energy to power a light bulb". When I heard that I damn near gagged laughing
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oh that xmen anime was the absolute worst. definitely was modeled after foxmen storm. but whichever villain said that correct. I think she tired out after most if her attacks and even wss cold in one episide where they were in a blizzard. it was atrocious.
yeah I love Anime but I can see why it wasn't renewed for a 2nd season. They could've done way better and the Wolverine Anime on netflix is so much worse. Everything from his horrible hair to him being tall and skinny was trash. It's like they tried to make him Hugh Jackman and 15yrs younger. He sounded like a corny teenager.
[QUOTE=Ferro;5309865]she returned the blade so im not sure she cares about that particular moment, it won't weight on her conscience[/QUOTE]
thats the problem though that it wouldn't considering how it all played out. her judgment was very poor. the only thing she had to do was wait and be still. hopefully she learned from it but doubtful.
[COLOR="#000080"]What if Storm was originally Arakkoan? One of those empty seats on the Great Ring could be hers.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5309893][COLOR="#000080"]What if Storm was originally Arakkoan? One of those empty seats on the Great Ring could be hers.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
it sure would.
I have a question. if Ororo is an omega level weather manipulator does that mean her abilities would go above what Thor could do?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5309913]it sure would.
I have a question. if Ororo is an omega level weather manipulator does that mean her abilities would go above what Thor could do?[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]For the love of Odin there you go with your Thor obsession again! You're worse than Loki!
In the words of Elsa, "Let it go!"[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5309919][COLOR="#000080"]For the love of Odin there you go with your Thor obsession again! You're worse than Loki!
In the words of Elsa, "Let it go!"[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
its not really an obsession with thor. its more trying to understand the classification of what it means to be omega. if he or any other weather manipulator for that matter could eclipse her wouldn't it invalidate her status as one?
[QUOTE=Saturius;5309520]Big fan of Xtreme. Losing Larrocca caused the book to lose steam though. GLMK2 was just not good, and Storm the Arena even had me saying that Claremont's bdsm fetish was just getting way too overt, but the book kinda recovered with the final arc. It was definitely a great Storm showcase though. She didn't feel fake and thin.[/QUOTE]
100% agreed! XXM is one of my top 3 fave runs. CC handled Storm like a boss and Larocca was EVERYTHING!
[QUOTE=Saturius;5309520]Big fan of Xtreme. Losing Larrocca caused the book to lose steam though. GLMK2 was just not good, and Storm the Arena even had me saying that Claremont's bdsm fetish was just getting way too overt, but the book kinda recovered with the final arc. It was definitely a great Storm showcase though. She didn't feel fake and thin.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5309967]100% agreed! XXM is one of my top 3 fave runs. CC handled Storm like a boss and Larocca was EVERYTHING![/QUOTE]
I want to co-sign on these posts. I loved Xtreme. Larrocca's art was phenomenal CC was onpoint with most of his storytelling.
[QUOTE=Ferro;5309870]That anime was a dreadfull social experiment to see how ripped they could make cyclops[/QUOTE]
"Storm's" eyes were brown...making that anime invalidated trash.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5309921]its not really an obsession with thor. its more trying to understand the classification of what it means to be omega. if he or any other weather manipulator for that matter could eclipse her wouldn't it invalidate her status as one?[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]No it wouldn't. Omega levels are mutant quantifications so it wouldn't lessen her status.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5309978]"Storm's" eyes were brown...making that anime invalidated trash.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. And shameful I can literally count the # of cool moments with anime Storm on 1 hand, with my top 2 being the ice wall and freezing the pirates in the ocean. Other than that she had no oomph, gravitas or even remotely close to the strong regal persona she has in comics or in TAS.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5310008][COLOR="#000080"]No it wouldn't. Omega levels are mutant quantifications so it wouldn't lessen her status.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
gotcha. the only reason that put me at pause was the detail regarding humans/machinery and forge. these are clearly not applicable to mutants but because these aspects could surpass what his abilities would allow this disqualified him from being one.
I loved that Xtreme Xmen had so much swag. There alone you had Bishop, Storm, And Neal, and they got all over the Mu thats what i would have expected from Storm in another franchise rather than them isolating her to this is where black people go if they want to see black people.
I will take the issues of Xtreme Xmen over one incomplete story over 30 issues any day of the week.
Skip me with voo doo rape camps i want my heroes of color doing real hero work. Not isolated on the policies of a nation that should already be good after standing for so long.
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And what kind of writers get it in their head that the suppose premiere black couple, that the husband is always foiling the wife. Like how many vaults, weapons, alarms, and codes, Tcchalla going to make to keep his wife in check that are immune to her powers. Like he must know she is a cold blooded theif since he got more protections against her in Doom War, in Coates run, in A vs. X than he got for namor and his enemies. It's crazy when you lay it out like that. Like the most advance nation spending more time developing weapons again they supposed goddess than actual enemies. So i don't see the problem she gave wakanda what they were apparently waiting for.
Correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think i've ever seen Scott create something to make Jean less than or Reed to sue.
Well i guess it's safe to say, new year same bullshizzle
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