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[QUOTE=Stormy;5699619]Damn, I get really frustrated, the powergrid at the te showed that Iceman and Cyclops had a higher energy projection than Storm, and on Marvel's official website also..[/QUOTE]
don't take any of those ratings seriously. they are not canonically sound so don't let it bother you stormy.
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5699618]Agreed here. I think back at that time there was of a perception that she channeled energy as a conduit and didn't generate/project any on her own, which technically isn't in alignment with canon.
This never sat well with me lol. especially if 4 is used for most superheroes soley based on experience in the game vs what they've accomplished on panel. I have always felt like Jean is more of a 3. Someone who is well trained (i.e. she curbstomped Manta), but would lose to a more skilled/seasoned fighter like Marrow, Callisto, Dani Moonstar, Hope, etc. I think Storm is a level above them. She has had such growth in this area of her skillset that I think she should be a 5.[/QUOTE]
thanks rider. this certainly must have been the lobdell effect lol.
and agreed with everything about the h2h. ororo is not one to be messed with in that department.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5699590]Jean still has the same stats as Storm in all categories. Also, Storm has trained far more outside of the X-men and Jean has the same stats as her. The X-men are not equal in fight skills Psylocke, Logan, Kitty and etc all have different fighting stats. Storm actually has feats, unlike Jean. So yes it is weird she has the same number as Storm when we have seen h2h combat skills of everyone I mentioned.[/QUOTE]
I assumed Storm is giving a 4 in Fighting Ability because she doesn't have a particular style she studies. She a mix of different fighting skills.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5699666]I assumed Storm is giving a 4 in Fighting Ability because she doesn't have a particular style she studies. She a mix of different fighting skills.[/QUOTE]
with her having a mix wouldn't that put her higher than a 4:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/t5BMbBF.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5699674]with her having a mix wouldn't that put her higher than a 4:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/t5BMbBF.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
It never made sense to me really. Callisto was a 6 and Mystique a 5 but neither have a specific mastery in a martial art. On panel their ratings makes sense, but Cyclops has a black belt in 2 on panel martial arts and is also ranked a 4...? I thought it was due to Storm and Cyclops having such powerful abilities that giving them a 5 would make them seem OP, but Moon Dragon is an uber powerful telepath and she is also a 5, and Strange is a 6. I get that rating don't mean much but Strange has gone from a 3, to a 4 to a 6 over the years...when in the hell do the X-Men get a proper update?
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[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5699691]It never made sense to me really. Callisto was a 6 and Mystique a 5 but neither have a specific mastery in a martial art. On panel their ratings makes sense, but Cyclops has a black belt in 2 on panel martial arts and is also ranked a 4...? I thought it was due to Storm and Cyclops having such powerful abilities that giving them a 5 would make them seem OP, but Moon Dragon is an uber powerful telepath and she is also a 5, and Strange is a 6. I get that rating don't mean much but Strange has gone from a 3, to a 4 to a 6 over the years...when in the hell do the X-Men get a proper update?[/QUOTE]
absolutely. the ranking scales that I've seem at least for her have never mirrored her canonical abilities so I've never taken them seriously. that said, I do realize some people will see the ratings and try to use it as a tool to support whatever claims they are attempting to make. for instance using them to make a claim Jean and ororo are equals frankly is laughable. as you so accurately said, Jean hasn't demonstrated anything on panel that would put her at equal power levels as ororo with h2h. moreover, we know with her lightning feats alone the projection ratting is completely off. though I wish these ratings more correctly captured where these characters are at present, specifically storm, I'm much more appreciative that the showings from canon are vastly more impressive than the ratings as canon trumps everything.
sidebar are you going to play marvel future revolution?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5699699]absolutely. the ranking scales that I've seem at least for her have never mirrored her canonical abilities so I've never taken them seriously. that said, I do realize some people will see the ratings and try to use it as a tool to support whatever claims they are attempting to make. for instance using them to make a claim Jean and ororo are equals frankly is laughable. as you so accurately said, Jean hasn't demonstrated anything on panel that would put her at equal power levels as ororo with h2h. moreover, we know with her lightning feats alone the projection ratting is completely off. though I wish these ratings more correctly captured where these characters are at present, specifically storm, I'm much more appreciative that the showings from canon are vastly more impressive than the ratings as canon trumps everything.
sidebar are you going to play marvel future revolution?[/QUOTE]
Hell yes! I'm counting down the hours :)! Cannot wait to get Storm. The videos you posted on her abilities was awesome. It seems like they really stacked her up right in this game.
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[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5699706]Hell yes! I'm counting down the hours :)! Cannot wait to get Storm. The videos you posted on her abilities was awesome. It seems like they really stacked her up right in this game.[/QUOTE]
I hate to tell you this, she is fun to play, but unless they give her some serious buffs at launch she is/will be one of the lower tier character if not the lowest :(.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5699708]I hate to tell you this, she is fun to play, but unless they give her some serious buffs at launch she is/will be one of the lower tier character if not the lowest :(.[/QUOTE]
What?! Doesn't she have force fields and high DPS? And flight? How is she lower tier?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5699708]I hate to tell you this, she is fun to play, but unless they give her some serious buffs at launch she is/will be one of the lower tier character if not the lowest :(.[/QUOTE]
Did they let Halle Berry into the meetings for this?????
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[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5699691]It never made sense to me really. Callisto was a 6 and Mystique a 5 but neither have a specific mastery in a martial art. On panel their ratings makes sense, but Cyclops has a black belt in 2 on panel martial arts and is also ranked a 4...? I thought it was due to Storm and Cyclops having such powerful abilities that giving them a 5 would make them seem OP, but Moon Dragon is an uber powerful telepath and she is also a 5, and Strange is a 6. I get that rating don't mean much but Strange has gone from a 3, to a 4 to a 6 over the years...when in the hell do the X-Men get a proper update?[/QUOTE]
Actually, Moondragon makes sense. She received the same training Mantis. They learned h2h skills that put them very well on Gamora level in h2h.
Wong is Dr. Strange h2h Master so they actually make sense. But Storm should be at least a 5 in h2h. Jean being on the same level doesn't even make sense.
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[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5699712]What?! Doesn't she have force fields and high DPS? And flight? How is she lower tier?[/QUOTE]
her animations to cast her spells are very slow in comparison to the other characters which leave her open to attack. she only have a few useful skills when playing in pvp mode; she works much better in pve. but it becomes glaringly obvious her weaknesses in pvp when fighting against black widow and Spider-Man (those two are the highest tier and they have dome very cheap moves). her traits that she can be equipped with much later in the game are also not that great either. she has less than a handful of moves that does good damage outside of her ultimate and even the ultimate doesn't cover a wide area as you would think it could. doctor strange ultimate covers a much larger area. hopefully they modify her a bit for launch because it makes no sense their omega level mutant is that garbage.
but let me say this storm is still my fave in the game and I do enjoy playing with her. you probably won't notice the concerns I have until you get her to hight rank like 60 when your character us eligible to enter pvp (dimensional duel). so I say that to say I think you will still enjoy it.
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Are the scores really that big of a deal though? It's not as if they supersede the comics. I mean technically Jean could be a 7 in terms of fighting if the writer called for her to telepathically absorb the fighting styles of every martial artist on the planet. I know the muscle memory woulnd't be there but the know how would.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5699715]Did they let Halle Berry into the meetings for this?????[/QUOTE]
that or the consulted with lobdell, Guggenheim, fraction, and bendus during her development.
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5699721]Are the scores really that big of a deal though? It's not as if they supersede the comics. I mean technically Jean could be a 7 in terms of fighting if the writer called for her to telepathically absorb the fighting styles of every martial artist on the planet. I know the muscle memory woulnd't be there but the know how would.[/QUOTE]
those cards and ratings are not canon thats why I don't even pay them much mind. its just silly when they are used to make a case as if they are relevant to canon.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5699721]Are the scores really that big of a deal though? It's not as if they supersede the comics. I mean technically Jean could be a 7 in terms of fighting if the writer called for her to telepathically absorb the fighting styles of every martial artist on the planet. I know the muscle memory woulnd't be there but the know how would.[/QUOTE]
And Storm would beat just about everyone since she can look at synapses if the writer called for that too.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5699724]that or the consulted with lobdell, Guggenheim, fraction, and bendus during her development.
those cards and ratings are not canon thats why I don't even pay them much mind. its just silly when they are used to make a case as if they are relevant to canon.[/QUOTE]
Lmao, all the writers who should never be allowed to even write Storm fanfiction.
Precisely.