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[QUOTE=Stormy;5697040]What I don't understand these characters are said to absorb energy, but end up being affected lol.[/QUOTE]
Missed this post and, you do have a valid point...
[B][U][URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Norrin_Radd_(Earth-616)#Powers"]Energy Absorption and Manipulation:[/URL][/U][/B]
The absorption of electromagnetic energy is the base of the Surfer's life and power. The Silver Surfer has complete control of [B][U][URL="https://home.cern/science/physics/standard-model#:~:text=Forces%20and%20carrier%20particles,it%20has%20an%20infinite%20range."]the four fundamental forces of the universe[/URL][/U][/B], reaching nearly any effect he desires. As a result, the Surfer can absorb, manipulate and discharge tremendous amounts of energy across the entire electromagnetic spectrum. The Silver Surfer has claimed several times to hold enough power to easily shatter planets. The Surfer's incredible powers also surpass Nova while he held the entirety of the Nova Force and Quasar, with sufficient force to casually destroy planets, a large fraction of a structure whose size easily dwarfed Earth, and, by utilizing his ability to channel vast amounts of cosmic energy, an entire solar system. The Silver Surfer, upon merging his essence with a vessel, could manipulate, assimilate, and emit energy from another source just as easily as he does with the limitless Power Cosmic. Currently, at maximum, his beams are capable of almost killing Ravenous, equaling Thanos, and hurting Thor who was wearing Asgardian armor.
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5697040]What I don't understand these characters are said to absorb energy, but end up being affected lol.[/QUOTE]
who knows but i think she just powered the bolt to a level that could affect them. he isn't completely invulnerable.
[QUOTE=Micabe;5697055]When and where did I say said it didn't... I said, "[COLOR="#FF0000"]Here is a more complete sequence of events that transpired in Silver Surfer v3 #85[/COLOR]."
Not everything is a conspiracy -- I simply posted the page that came before the "[B][COLOR="#FF0000"]single page[/COLOR][/B]" you posted and the ones that came after it to add context and clarity -- not everyone has and or reads Silver Surfer.[/QUOTE]
the initial point of the scans was to show she has consistently hurt silver surfer with her power. This was even showcased in his book (not an xbook which means that office editorial believe her power can harm surfer). The events from her attack and his response were all shown in the scan I posted. providing additional scans to what my initial point was doesn't make sense because it is not adding any value to that point. so again my question is what was your goal or purpose in doing this?
also if people haven't read they can purchase the issue. I believe there is a site rule anyway about posting more than three images from an issue.
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9aHpCNXEAQU8HE?format=jpg&name=medium[/img]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5697117][COLOR="#A9A9A9"]who knows but i think she just powered the bolt to a level that could affect them. he isn't completely invulnerable.
the initial point of the scans was to show she has consistently hurt silver surfer with her power. This was even showcased in his book (not an xbook which means that office editorial believe her power can harm surfer). The events from her attack and his response were all shown in the scan I posted. providing additional scans to what my initial point was doesn't make sense because it is not adding any value to that point. so again my question is what was your goal or purpose in doing this?
also if people haven't read they can purchase the issue.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]I believe there is a site rule anyway about posting more than three images from an issue.[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
There is? I did not know that... Where can I find said rule?
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5697145]There is? I did not know that... Where can I find said rule?[/QUOTE]
not sure but certain a mod could confirm for you.
[QUOTE=Micabe;5697145]There is? I did not know that... Where can I find said rule?[/QUOTE]
FYI
[url]https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?119641-The-CBR-Community-STANDARDS-amp-RULES[/url]
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697107]She can fly. So gravity doesn't affect her like non-fliers.
The ability to control gravity is not within her range of abilities...yet.[/QUOTE]
I was doing a text about the Storm possibly being able to manipulate the force of gravity, using the fact that it can fly in space through the solar winds, I was putting together a more elaborate text trying to explain this whole issue scientifically to you, so that you would come understand better. But instead I question him. If Storm is unable to manipulate the force of gravity, how she manipulate the planet's atmospheric pressure? How did she create pressure fields strong enough to compress an atomic explosion capable of destroying everything within a radius of one kilometer?
What I mean is that, in a way, Storm has access to gravitational force, albeit by limited means, maybe...
I speak based on the elements of weather that it dominates (Atmospheric pressure).
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5697174]FYI
[url]https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?119641-The-CBR-Community-STANDARDS-amp-RULES[/url][/QUOTE]
Okay, now I know... Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697193]What I mean is that, in a way, Storm has access to gravitational force, albeit by limited means, maybe...
I speak based on the elements of weather that it dominates (Atmospheric pressure).[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't that mean Ororo could override and or prevent [B][U][URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Franklin_Hall_(Earth-616)#Powers"]Graviton[/URL][/U][/B] from using his powers altogether?
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5697203]Wouldn't that mean Ororo could override and or prevent [B][U][URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Franklin_Hall_(Earth-616)#Powers"]Graviton[/URL][/U][/B] from using his powers altogether?[/QUOTE]
If it she doesn't have a limited range, it probably yes.
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One of the best photos i've ever seen of Storm in my life!!!
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697175]I was doing a text about the Storm possibly being able to manipulate the force of gravity, using the fact that it can fly in space through the solar winds, I was putting together a more elaborate text trying to explain this whole issue scientifically to you, so that you would come understand better. But instead I question him. If Storm is unable to manipulate the force of gravity, how she manipulate the planet's atmospheric pressure? How did she create pressure fields strong enough to compress an atomic explosion capable of destroying everything within a radius of one kilometer?[/QUOTE]
Its psionic force. Like Jean Grey, Storm has telekinesis but her abilities are specific on her environment. It's the same principal as when Jean crushed something in her Tk field. When she make a pressure dome or a em field, it is brought together through her psionic abilities.
While he psionic abilities could lead to gravity control, it hasn't been shown yet.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5697117]who knows but i think she just powered the bolt to a level that could affect them. he isn't completely invulnerable[/QUOTE]
While I have no doubt that she can hurt he, characters like this usually have an energy absorption limit.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697221]Its psionic force. Like Jean Grey, Storm has telekinesis but her abilities are specific on her environment. It's the same principal as when Jean crushed something in her Tk field. When she make a pressure dome or a em field, it is brought together through her psionic abilities.
While he psionic abilities could lead to gravity control, it hasn't been shown yet.[/QUOTE]
Sorry friend but I laugh. Where what storm has Telekinesis? Storm draws her powers from the electromagnetic force, and although her powers are psionic, she is an energy manipulator, and it's not psionic energy.. So no, she doesn't have telekinesis. You are wrong
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697242]Sorry friend but I laugh. Where what storm has Telekinesis? Storm draws her powers from the electromagnetic force, and although her powers are psionic, she is an energy manipulator, and it's not psionic energy.. So no, she doesn't have telekinesis. You are wrong[/QUOTE]
How about you explain to me, how you move matter with psionic energy and what you call it....
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697247]How about you explain to me, how you move matter with psionic energy and what you call it....[/QUOTE]
is called Aerokinesis. It does this by manipulating kinetic energy, not only from oxygen atoms, but from air molecules as well.
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5696518]This talk about undoing magnetic fields, wormholes and black holes... It reminded me of Shuri's book, where Storm undid the force fields of a being that opened wormholes to teleport.
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Keep in mind the space lubber made black holes and Worm holes for transportation but its shields were made of plasma. Still a great showing in the story a lightning bolt from Storm harmed it and it can withstand black holes.
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697252]is called Aerokinesis. It does this by manipulating kinetic energy, not only from oxygen atoms, but from air molecules as well.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697268]AEROKINESIS is a specify form of telekinesis.
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It has the telekinesis effect because of the force of attraction and retraction it can exert using the air element, but it is not telekinesis. If it were telekinesis, she wouldn't necessarily need to use air currents to fly.
Science explains in detail what it does, manipulating kinetic energy on air molecules.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697107]She can fly. So gravity doesn't affect her like non-fliers.
The ability to control gravity is not within her range of abilities...yet.[/QUOTE]
It actually is she control gravity waves in the air and its counterpart in the water tidal waves. Both are caused by gravity not to mention all air motions are the result of gravity. She has somewhat minor control over gravity but obviously not like Gravition, Moonstone, or Nova.
Plus the scan didn't even make sense because zero gravity would mean they would die and storm would not be able to fly on winds. Its gravity holding the atmosphere in place.
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Would you have these scans with better quality? I wanted to read them...
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697268]AEROKINESIS is a specify form of telekinesis.
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Not true Aerokinesis and telekinesis are abilities dealing with mental manipulation of anything which means both are kinetic abilities. Every abilities with the mind is definitely not a form of TK. Now a high-level aerokinetic can replicate telekinesis and some of its applications and a high-level telekinetic can do the same.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5697282]It actually is she control gravity waves in the air and its counterpart in the water tidal waves. Both are caused by gravity not to mention all air motions are the result of gravity. She has somewhat minor control over gravity but obviously not like Gravition, Moonstone, or Nova.[/QUOTE]
exactly!!!!!!
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5697217]One of the best photos i've ever seen of Storm in my life!!![/QUOTE]
yaassssssssss. its giving me queen of sol and this was way before that was announced.
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697280]It has the telekinesis effect because of the force of attraction and retraction it can exert using the air element, but it is not telekinesis. If it were telekinesis, she wouldn't necessarily need to use air currents to fly.
Science explains in detail what it does, manipulating kinetic energy on air molecules.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697295]Not true Aerokinesis and telekinesis are abilities dealing with mental manipulation of anything which means both are kinetic abilities. Every abilities with the mind is definitely not a form of TK. Now a high-level aerokinetic can replicate telekinesis and some of its applications and a high-level telekinetic can do the same.[/QUOTE]
No. Her powers are a form of telekinesis. In Marvel the movement of matter with psionic energy is either telekinesis or psychokinesis. Psionic abilities are like the [B][U][I]Power Cosmic[/I][/U][/B], meaning it cover whatever the wrier needs to be explained without going to much into detail.
She has a specify form of telekinesis.
Now here the funny part...the Power Cosmic gets its power from the Psionic energy of the universe. Meaning Storm's abilities could branch into a much greater area of powers.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697282]It actually is she control gravity waves in the air and its counterpart in the water tidal waves. Both are caused by gravity not to mention all air motions are the result of gravity. She has somewhat minor control over gravity but obviously not like Gravition, Moonstone, or Nova.
Plus the scan didn't even make sense because zero gravity would mean they would die and storm would not be able to fly on winds. Its gravity holding the atmosphere in place.[/QUOTE]
Maybe so, but as of right now Marvel has never said her powers have any control over gravity.
And your thinking to deep on a story that written in the 70's. ;)
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697309]No. Her powers are a form of telekinesis. In Marvel the movement of matter with psionic energy is either telekinesis or psychokinesis. Psionic abilities are like the [B][U][I]Power Cosmic[/I][/U][/B], meaning it cover whatever the wrier needs to be explained without going to much into detail.
She has a specify form of telekinesis.
Now here the funny part...the Power Cosmic gets its power from the Psionic energy of the universe. Meaning Storm's abilities could branch into a much greater area of powers.
Maybe so, but as of right now Marvel has never said her powers have any control over gravity.[/QUOTE]
You insist on saying that she has telekinesis just because she manipulates the air with the power of thought, but I've explained here how the dynamics of her powers works, what she does is manipulate kinetic energy in air molecules, and it doesn't matter if it's psionic or not. If she needs the material to levitate material, that is, if she needs the air to lift a body, she doesn't have Telekinesis.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5697144][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9aHpCNXEAQU8HE?format=jpg&name=medium[/img][/QUOTE]
Aaaaah my favorite, whenever I’m feeling down I look at this picture and instantly feel empowered
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697324]You insist on saying that she has telekinesis just because she manipulates the air with the power of thought, but I've explained here how the dynamics of her powers works, what she does is manipulate kinetic energy in air molecules, and it doesn't matter if it's psionic or not. If she needs the material to levitate material, that is, if she needs the air to lift a body, she doesn't have Telekinesis.[/QUOTE]
No mater what you say, Marvel says the manipulation of matter using psionic energy is either telekinesis or psychokinesis.
End of Conversation, unless you work at Marvel.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697309]Maybe so, but as of right now Marvel has never said her powers have any control over gravity.
And your thinking to deep on a story that written in the 70's. ;)[/QUOTE]
You see, a lot of what some here say are theories, speculations, even assertions, all of this on a scientific basis, whether in the area of physics and the like. To say that Marvel didn't confirm any of this is embarrassing to say the least, because in relation to Storm's powers they are .. Stupid, Lazy, who don't seek to know the full capacity of their powers, that some people here understand and know what she is able to do..
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Everyone who knows the least bit about Storm knows that she sees not just the world but the universe itself as a pattern of energy, and it is this energy that she manipulates, including gravitational potential energy. Even more so in space where the element oxygen is rare.
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5697338]You see, a lot of what some here say are theories, speculations, even assertions, all of this on a scientific basis, whether in the area of physics and the like. To say that Marvel didn't confirm any of this is embarrassing to say the least, because in relation to Storm's powers they are .. Stupid, Lazy, who don't seek to know the full capacity of their powers, that some people here understand and know what she is able to do..[/QUOTE]
Dude, you have no idea how many Storm debates I've had over her powers. Myself and other Storm fans use to go to war on this board and Comicvine. LOL, I'm still banned on some boards. I remember one time we did a Iron Man Vs Storm debate that went on for almost a month.
What's funny, some of the pics you guys are bringing up are things I argued about years ago. Good times.;)
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697333]No mater what you say, Marvel says the manipulation of matter using psionic energy is either telekinesis or psychokinesis.
End of Conversation, unless you work at Marvel.[/QUOTE]
But beyond matter, Storm manipulates energy, as well as using a fundamental force from the universe as the source of its powers. I explained in all ways how the dynamics of the storm powers are, that as much as they are psionic, they are not directly linked to telekinesis. You prefer to fantasize things by seeing it so simple and practical that it is being shown here for you in a very didactic way, even.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697347]Dude, you have no idea how many Storm debates I've had over her powers. Myself and other Storm fans use to go to war on this board and Comicvine. LOL, I'm still banned on some boards. I remember one time we did a Iron Man Vs Storm debate that went on for almost a month.
What's funny, some of the pics you guys are bringing up are things I argued about years ago. Good times.;)[/QUOTE]
Maybe it's because you act nonsense, you prefer to punch at the tip of a knife and believe that she is a telekinetic than believing that she is an energy manipulator, what I'm talking about are canonical facts. Show me inside the canon where Storm claims to have telekinesis and I'll shut up.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697347]Dude, you have no idea how many Storm debates I've had over her powers. Myself and other Storm fans use to go to war on this board and Comicvine. LOL, I'm still banned on some boards. I remember one time we did a Iron Man Vs Storm debate that went on for almost a month.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, you know what it's like to see a character reduced to lightning and gales. When she can do so much more than that.
@Amazona dos Ventos did a text, showed scans and scientific basis to show why Storm has potential gravity manipulation, maybe not like characters like Graviton and Northstar, but still has a level ..
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697352]But beyond matter, Storm manipulates energy, as well as using a fundamental force from the universe as the source of its powers. I explained in all ways how the dynamics of the storm powers are, that as much as they are psionic, they are not directly linked to telekinesis. You prefer to fantasize things by seeing it so simple and practical that it is being shown here for you in a very didactic way, even.[/QUOTE]
It's still through psionic energy.
It's the same thing that allows Pyro to create fire or Magma to create earthquakes or Gypsymoth to manipulate fabrics. It just a specified form of telekinesis or psychokinesis. Both Storm and Jean Grey can control molecules and atom through their psionic abilities. According to Marvel the only way to do that is either telekinesis or psychokinesis.
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697356]Maybe it's because you act nonsense, you prefer to punch at the tip of a knife and believe that she is a telekinetic than believing that she is an energy manipulator, what I'm talking about are canonical facts. Show me inside the canon where Storm claims to have telekinesis and I'll shut up.[/QUOTE]
No silly. I never said she wasn't an energy manipulator. I said her abilities are a form of either telekinesis or psychokinesis. Your putting a limit on what telekinesis (or psychokinesis) can do. You're thinking it can only manipulee the physicals matter were in truth Storm can rip the electron from atoms.
A powerful TK like Jean and Storm could rearrange the planet if they wanted too.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5697266]Keep in mind the space lubber made black holes and Worm holes for transportation but its shields were made of plasma. Still a great showing in the story a lightning bolt from Storm harmed it and it can withstand black holes.[/QUOTE]
I wanted to see more of these Storm superpowers dealing massive damage on superheavy characters.
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I think it is fair to think of Storm's power as a highly specialized version of telepathy(mentally aware of and in communication with the universe/atmosphere/environment) and telekinesis(mentally able to move/control the universe/atmosphere/environment). Her power is unquestionably psionic in nature. Moving something without physically touching it is broadly defined as tele/psychokinesis. It fits.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697366]It's still through psionic energy.
It's the same thing that allows Pyro to create fire or Magma to create earthquakes or Gypsymoth to manipulate fabrics. It just a specified form of telekinesis or psychokinesis. Both Storm and Jean Grey can control molecules and atom through their psionic abilities. According to Marvel the only way to do that is either telekinesis or psychokinesis.
No silly. I never said she wasn't an energy manipulator. I said her abilities are a form of either telekinesis or psychokinesis. Your putting a limit on what telekinesis (or psychokinesis) can do. You're thinking it can only manipulee the physicals matter were in truth Storm can rip the electron from atoms.
A powerful TK like Jean and Storm could rearrange the planet if they wanted too.[/QUOTE]
But I didn't say I wasn't psionic, I just said that doesn't make Storm a telekinesis user. It was good that you cited pyro as an example. It's not because he can shape fire or make a bird of fire psionically fly through the skies that he has telekinesis, it's called pyrokinesis.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5697373]I think it is fair to think of Storm's power as a highly specialized version of telepathy(mentally aware of and in communication with the universe/atmosphere/environment) and telekinesis(mentally able to move/control the universe/atmosphere/environment). Her power is unquestionably psionic in nature. Moving something without physically touching it is broadly defined as tele/psychokinesis. It fits.[/QUOTE]
But if storm has a specialized version of telepathy and telekinesis that connects with the universe, that only reinforces the idea that it can manipulate gravity, which is one of the four main forces in the universe.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5697373]I think it is fair to think of Storm's power as a highly specialized version of telepathy(mentally aware of and in communication with the universe/atmosphere/environment) and telekinesis(mentally able to move/control the universe/atmosphere/environment). Her power is unquestionably psionic in nature. Moving something without physically touching it is broadly defined as tele/psychokinesis. It fits.[/QUOTE]
I can go with the telepath part...it makes sense.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697309]No. Her powers are a form of telekinesis. In Marvel the movement of matter with psionic energy is either telekinesis or psychokinesis. Psionic abilities are like the [B][U][I]Power Cosmic[/I][/U][/B], meaning it cover whatever the wrier needs to be explained without going to much into detail.
She has a specify form of telekinesis.
Now here the funny part...the Power Cosmic gets its power from the Psionic energy of the universe. Meaning Storm's abilities could branch into a much greater area of powers.
Maybe so, but as of right now Marvel has never said her powers have any control over gravity.
And your thinking to deep on a story that written in the 70's. ;)[/QUOTE]
Actually psionic means to manipulate mentally in marvel too. So Storm powers are Kinetic but not telekinetic. But if they were telekinetic she would be near the highest level of telekinesis
Also if we go by retcons that would means Divine magic > Psionic and Power cosmic. Osthur powers are divine and she created the astral plane which is one of the four inner planes in marvel. Apparently, Storm invoked her or unlocked that godhead passed from her ancestors. Since Osthur did favor Storm's family.
But before Retcons, the power cosmic is cosmic power from the old universe before it was destroyed and made again by apparently the phoenix. Also once again before the Retcons, the phoenix was the source of psionic energy.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5697373]I think it is fair to think of Storm's power as a highly specialized version of telepathy(mentally aware of and in communication with the universe/atmosphere/environment) and telekinesis(mentally able to move/control the universe/atmosphere/environment). Her power is unquestionably psionic in nature. Moving something without physically touching it is broadly defined as tele/psychokinesis. It fits.[/QUOTE]
1. What you described is cosmic awareness and ecological empathy.
2. Telekinesis is mind over matter. Storm directly controls energy. Matter does not equal energy.
Surfer has Asterokinesis which means he can mentally control cosmic energy. But we know it is not telekinetic because his source is from the Power Cosmic.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5697391]1. [B]What you described is cosmic awareness and ecological empathy[/B].
2. Telekinesis is mind over matter. Storm directly controls energy. Matter does not equal energy.
Surfer has Asterokinesis which means he can mentally control cosmic energy. But we know it is not telekinetic because his source is from the Power Cosmic.[/QUOTE]
Yes, i love you.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5697387]Actually psionic means to manipulate mentally in marvel too. So Storm powers are Kinetic but not telekinetic. But if they were telekinetic she would be near the highest level of telekinesis
Also if we go by retcons that would means Divine magic > Psionic and Power cosmic. [B]Osthur powers are divine and she created the astral plane which is one of the four inner planes in marvel.[/B] Apparently, Storm invoked her or unlocked that godhead passed from her ancestors. Since Osthur did favor Storm's family.
But before Retcons, the power cosmic is cosmic power from the old universe before it was destroyed and made again by apparently the phoenix. Also once again before the Retcons, the phoenix was the source of psionic energy.[/QUOTE]
lol, didn't know, do you know what the issue is?
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5697387]Actually psionic means to manipulate mentally in marvel too. So Storm powers are Kinetic but not telekinetic. But if they were telekinetic she would be near the highest level of telekinesis [/QUOTE]
Psionic just means power of the mind. Truthfully, psionic abilities cover dame near 90% of the superhuman abilities of Marvel...and yes she a ver y powerful telekinetic
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697387]Also if we go by retcons that would means Divine magic > Psionic and Power cosmic. Osthur powers are divine and she created the astral plane which is one of the four inner planes in marvel. Apparently, Storm invoked her or unlocked that godhead passed from her ancestors. Since Osthur did favor Storm's family.[/QUOTE]
Alright
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697387]But before Retcons, the power cosmic is cosmic power from the old universe before it was destroyed and made again by apparently the phoenix. Also once again before the Retcons, the phoenix was the source of psionic energy.[/QUOTE]
Hell I can't remember, was the Phoenix Force born from the Psionic Plans or was it the source. Gotta reread Excalibur.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697391]1. What you described is cosmic awareness and ecological empathy.
[B]2. Telekinesis is mind over matter. Storm directly controls energy. Matter does not equal energy.[/B]
Surfer has Asterokinesis which means he can mentally control cosmic energy. But we know it is not telekinetic because his source is from the Power Cosmic.[/QUOTE]
In this case it does. See Magneto and Polaris
