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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5709507]It is an interesting mess for Thor fans. All of his weather manipulation feats are in question.[/QUOTE]
Actually they are livid.... They hate Jane partially because of this and abhor the fact that she ever became Thor. Also it kinda made him seem pathetic without the hammer that without it he is basically your average hulkurian superhero.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5709712]A personal fear of mine is that after all this, if they start treating her like a Literal Goddess (I'm talking about deeds, worthy moments), she will become bigger than the X-mens title (and in fact she already does. is) , but I think the X-mens generally deal at most with planetary-level villains. She It will be nerfed / and it already was, so as not to steal all the highlights of the issues, it will need several solos, it needs a core like characters like Thor, Iron Man and others, they even participate in several teams (which almost every day they face some powerful opponent), even with some nerfs, they still manage to sustain themselves with their solos.[/QUOTE]
Actually my fear is that she would get the pheonix treatment where people believe that storm is weak as hell without her divine mode. Hopefully we get distinction and balance between the godhead feats and the omega level feats.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5709799]Yh then by this logic arent we in the wrong for bashing what's his face for making storm powerless in hell? Because if she has to manipulate natural forces only to manipulate weather then it's a coin toss if her power would work depending the situation or environment because if she can't necessarily manipulate weather which is unnatural with her omega level weather manipulation... It even leaves room for a mutant who has such all encompassing power over weather to be named as such also and even possibly surpass her mutation... The sefakor storm how I understood it was that she had to become one with the storm to control it and since it was tainted and corrupted her essence couldn't necessarily connect with it not because it was sentient necessarily.
But if so I would like instances where she has struggled or outright not been able to manipulate weather which is sentient. Cause this is kinda confusing to me.[/QUOTE]
No Aaron was wrong. If iceman could manipulate the moisture in hell and they could breathe storm should be some ok to use her powers.
with sefako the storm was created by adversary so it was divinely created which ororo wasn't able to control until she tapped into her godhood abilities. the best way I can explain it is trying fix a car with the incorrect tools. ororo was trying to fix a computerized car when she had tools that could only work on a mechanical solely based car.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5709813]Actually my fear is that she would get the pheonix treatment [B]where people believe that storm is weak as hell [/B]without her divine mode. Hopefully we get distinction and balance between the godhead feats and the omega level feats.[/QUOTE]
This is already the general consensus thanks to decades of crap writing and horrible representation under Fox-Men. You can't tell? Any time anything but that "reality" is pushed, the user is called deranged, fanatic, petty, ect...
At this point the only thing we as fans can do is sit back and let her current writing speak for itself. Removing the r̶o̶s̶e̶-̶c̶o̶l̶o̶r̶e̶d̶ ruby quarts glasses, she hasn't really done anything all that specular besides what occurred in Planet Size. Everything else is so far has been either titles or quotes by other characters. Now, don't get me wrong that's all nice and stuff but I'd like a bit more meat and potatoes.
Enough with the appetizers.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5709824]No Aaron was wrong. If iceman could manipulate the moisture in hell and they could breathe storm should be some ok to use her powers.
with sefako the storm was created by adversary so it was divinely created which ororo wasn't able to control until she tapped into her godhood abilities. the best way I can explain it is trying fix a car with the incorrect tools. ororo was trying to fix a computerized car when she had tools that could only work on a mechanical solely based car.[/QUOTE]
Ever since I read that story I found that odd. As you said they were all breathing so clearly there was pressure, not to mention FireStar's powers still worked so there was microwave radiation, and obviously Bobby could still generate ice.
And if all else failed, where's her bio-lightning? I could be remembering wrong but I believe I once saw a scan stating that Storm uses her own "Mutant metabolism" to generate her bio-lightning.
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5709860]This is already the general consensus thanks to decades of crap writing and horrible representation under Fox-Men. You can't tell? Any time anything but that "reality" is pushed, the user is called deranged, fanatic, petty, ect...
At this point the only thing we as fans can do is sit back and let her current writing speak for itself. Removing the r̶o̶s̶e̶-̶c̶o̶l̶o̶r̶e̶d̶ ruby quarts glasses, she hasn't really done anything all that specular besides what occurred in Planet Size. Everything else is so far has been either titles or quotes by other characters. Now, don't get me wrong that's all nice and stuff but I'd like a bit more meat and potatoes.
Enough with the appetizers.[/QUOTE]
Facts and nothing but them!
And no Storm ..
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5709876]And no Storm ..
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Eh, I'd be more bummed if it outlined the entire year. Remember, even Hickman said plans for Storm got pushed back and re-worked. Her time could still be coming.
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My thoughts exactly…..
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5709720]you know stormy I've had that fear as well. that her tapping into this more would make her outgrow the xmen. this could result in a few things. she could be utilized less, lowballed, or even killed. they could even potentially remove the ability as well. that said, I don't believe this should be ignored or not explored. she has long been stated to have such amazing power and has yet to really show what that means from the xside. I think Ewing will write her using her abilities in a way that she only uses her godhead powers when absolutely necessary. so I don't think we wil have much go worry about just yet stormy so don't worry.[/QUOTE]
Storm hasn't had a standout like this for a long time, she deserves it so much that it's a shame that after Inferno, all old titles will eventually start new or start new, I don't want Al Ewing to leave, so soon...
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5709813]Actually my fear is that she would get the pheonix treatment where people believe that storm is weak as hell without her divine mode. Hopefully we get distinction and balance between the godhead feats and the omega level feats.[/QUOTE]
I understand, they usually keep saying that to characters like the Scarlet Witch, but I emphasize, they are people who don't understand the concept of mysticism, magic and stuff like that. Storm was born with this power (of course, thank you Oshtur, but it's still hers).
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5709802]So case in point I was still right the power of the god tempest still resided in the hammer and Jane is way better at the hammer than Thor.[/QUOTE]
Remnants only not the entire sentient storm as it was when the originally created hence my saying, not exactly :cool:
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5709860]This is already the general consensus thanks to decades of crap writing and horrible representation under Fox-Men. You can't tell? Any time anything but that "reality" is pushed, the user is called deranged, fanatic, petty, ect...
At this point the only thing we as fans can do is sit back and let her current writing speak for itself. Removing the r̶o̶s̶e̶-̶c̶o̶l̶o̶r̶e̶d̶ ruby quarts glasses, she hasn't really done anything all that specular besides what occurred in Planet Size. Everything else is so far has been either titles or quotes by other characters. Now, don't get me wrong that's all nice and stuff but I'd like a bit more meat and potatoes.
Enough with the appetizers.[/QUOTE]
Halle/Alexandria storm is literally trash no offense to both actresses especially Halle. But that was very bad and if we think it is bad now wait till they have a godhead to point to as the source of all of Storm's strength.
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I understand, they usually keep saying that to characters like the Scarlet Witch, but I emphasize, they are people who don't understand the concept of mysticism, magic and stuff like that. Storm was born with this power (of course, thank you Oshtur, but it's still hers).[/QUOTE]
Yh thank you oshtur but we are keeping the Lamborghini
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I am tired man like how many titles must wolverine get. Like all the other titles are interesting but what of Logan's life don't we know at this point. He literally has clones of him running around because he himself is now bland asf.
Oh well going to read my variant comics
[QUOTE=Micabe;5709927]Remnants only not the entire sentient storm as it was when the originally created hence my saying, not exactly :cool:[/QUOTE]
It's still has the power of the tempest whether in miniscule amounts or not sooooo.....
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5709951]Yh thank you oshtur but we are keeping the Lamborghini[/QUOTE]
The divine power is part of her very soul, even when her physical body (source of her mutant powers) will gets destroyed her divine spirit will still persevere as the truest most powerful manifestation of her godly self. :)
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5709867]Ever since I read that story I found that odd. As you said they were all breathing so clearly there was pressure, not to mention FireStar's powers still worked so there was microwave radiation, and obviously Bobby could still generate ice.
And if all else failed, where's her bio-lightning? I could be remembering wrong but I believe I once saw a scan stating that Storm uses her own "Mutant metabolism" to generate her bio-lightning.[/QUOTE]
Yh but apparently bobby can freeze things without moisture. He literally manipulated the kinetic energy of a thermonuclear reactor creating a cool spot for him and mystique in the explosion. Also doesn't firestar generate microwaves and stuff.
Also doesn't storm use ambient electromagnetism to create her potent bio lightning so maybe if she can't use her powers in hell then maybe she can't use ambient electromagnetism.
But that story is wierd.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5709946]Halle/Alexandria storm is literally trash no offense to both actresses especially Halle. But that was very bad and if we think it is bad now wait till they have a godhead to point to as the source of all of Storm's strength.[/QUOTE]
Well the fact you still have people claiming that she's not even a real God because of XYZ reasoning means that they would actually have to admit that she is a divine being. That being said, there is ([I]should be[/I]) a clear distinction (at least imo) between Storm's mutant powers and those of a more mystical nature.
For example, I see 0 reason why she would need to tap into her Goddess power to do something like manipulate a star to cause a Coronal Mass Ejection to do something like take out the Orchis station. On the flipside if you tossed her into a place like Limbo or Dormammu's realm then I could see the Goddess mode coming into play as "physical" power may not hurt the threats she would face sufficiently.
The two should only overlap in extreme situations like her facing off against EgoMamuu(?) where the threat is both physical and mystical in nature. While I don't know for sure, I would assume that on some level hurting Ego would hurt Dormammu.
[QUOTE=Daedra;5709974]The divine power is part of her very soul, even when her physical body (source of her mutant powers) will gets destroyed her divine spirit will still persevere as the truest most powerful manifestation of her godly self. :)[/QUOTE]
Lol that's why I see her as an Immortal being, as the Gods at their core are. Even if her body is destroyed, she will still be alive (and doesn't even need to go through the resurrection protocol)
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5709988]Yh but apparently bobby can freeze things without moisture. He literally manipulated the kinetic energy of a thermonuclear reactor creating a cool spot for him and mystique in the explosion. Also doesn't firestar generate microwaves and stuff.
Also doesn't storm use ambient electromagnetism to create her potent bio lightning so maybe if she can't use her powers in hell then maybe she can't use ambient electromagnetism.
But that story is wierd.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for pointing that out. That would explain what he did on Mars if he can generate ice without moister present. But then that also raises the question as to why they always pair him with Storm when the assumption has been she "amps" him by pulling in more moister in the area for him/they to work with. But different discussion :D
And yes, FS does generate microwaves. There was a story where her own powers gave her cancer due the overexposure but I believe that story, while canon, is thankfully forgotten about.
That's possible as well. As I said I could be mis-remembering as it's literally been years since I came across the scan.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5710005]Lol that's why I see her as an Immortal being, as the Gods at their core are. Even if her body is destroyed, she will still be alive (and doesn't even need to go through the resurrection protocol)[/QUOTE]
I would love for this to be shown explicitly. Have her body be completely destroyed down to the subatomic level! Completely wiped from existence itself! Then have her reform out of the elements.
/endfanboydream
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5709994]Well the fact you still have people claiming that she's not even a real God because of XYZ reasoning means that they would actually have to admit that she is a divine being. That being said, there is ([I]should be[/I]) a clear distinction (at least imo) between Storm's mutant powers and those of a more mystical nature.
For example, I see 0 reason why she would need to tap into her Goddess power to do something like manipulate a star to cause a Coronal Mass Ejection to do something like take out the Orchis station. On the flipside if you tossed her into a place like Limbo or Dormammu's realm then I could see the Goddess mode coming into play as "physical" power may not hurt the threats she would face sufficiently.
The two should only overlap in extreme situations like her facing off against EgoMamuu(?) where the threat is both physical and mystical in nature. While I don't know for sure, I would assume that on some level hurting Ego would hurt Dormammu.[/QUOTE]
That makes sense there should be a clear distinction and shuri seemed to make it with the speech bubbles.
But unless she is facing a mystical threat I feel like storms omega weather manipulation should do the trick.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5710005]Lol that's why I see her as an Immortal being, as the Gods at their core are. Even if her body is destroyed, she will still be alive (and doesn't even need to go through the resurrection protocol)[/QUOTE]
exactly, that's the agency of a true god, her life is hers to shape, Death has no claim over Ororo and the same goes for her physical manifestation.
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5710006]Thanks for pointing that out. That would explain what he did on Mars if he can generate ice without moister present. But then that also raises the question as to why they always pair him with Storm when the assumption has been she "amps" him by pulling in more moister in the area for him/they to work with. But different discussion :D
And yes, FS does generate microwaves. There was a story where her own powers gave her cancer due the overexposure but I believe that story, while canon, is thankfully forgotten about.
That's possible as well. As I said I could be mis-remembering as it's literally been years since I came across the scan.[/QUOTE]
Really has storm ever amped iceman before? The only time I remember them working together was marauders. But even still all he can do she can do and then some.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5710026]That makes sense there should be a clear distinction and shuri seemed to make it with the speech bubbles.
But unless she is facing a mystical threat I feel like storms omega weather manipulation should do the trick.[/QUOTE]
Precisely. I loved that simple touch that had gave us a clear distinction between Storm and GodStorm. They also had her glowing a lot like the Human Torch but I think that was just the artist being extra with it.
I agree. Even in our own Solar System there is crazy weather that she could tap into. I feel like now more than ever before she could replicate the energy patterns that make, for example, Neptune have winds exceeding 1,000mph.
This was one of the first scans I ever saw about Storm and the image and words were seared into my brain. The fact is, that even pre-Omega Storm was a elemental 'shapeshift' lol.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5710027]exactly, that's the agency of a true god, her life is hers to shape, Death has no claim over Ororo and the same goes for her physical manifestation.[/QUOTE]
The Lamborghini is in the living room and is watching tv from now to the end of time. Praise be hadari yao.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5710036]Really has storm ever amped iceman before? The only time I remember them working together was marauders. But even still all he can do she can do and then some.[/QUOTE]
I'm using the word amped as lightly as possible. As I said I was under the impression that he needed moister to be at his maximum potential BUT was limited to what was in the surrounding area. And again, I assumed that's where Storm's role came in since she could draw in moister from pretty much a global scale if need be.
But as you pointed out Bobby doesn't need moister to freeze things so I don't know what the hell he and Storm have been doing all this time, lol.
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5710049]I'm using the word amped as lightly as possible. As I said I was under the impression that he needed moister to be at his maximum potential BUT was limited to what was in the surrounding area. And again, I assumed that's where Storm's role came in since she could draw in moister from pretty much a global scale if need be.
But as you pointed out Bobby doesn't need moister to freeze things so I don't know what the hell he and Storm have been doing all this time, lol.[/QUOTE]
Oh that if he needed moisture to lower temperature to it's highest extent he wouldn't be omega as moisture has a measurable upper limit to how much it can freeze.
[QUOTE=Daedra;5710027]exactly, that's the agency of a true god, her life is hers to shape, Death has no claim over Ororo and the same goes for her physical manifestation.[/QUOTE]
I think this "Goddess Mode" to refer to her when she was absorbing and channeling the faith of her worshipers, very like, I understand it was the parameter form, but she's a Literal Goddess, with or without that " Her Goddess Mode" I very much wish to see her fully ascend totally as Bast among other Wakanda of Gods.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5710045]The Lamborghini is in the living room and is watching tv from now to the end of time. Praise be hadari yao.[/QUOTE]
Praise be indeed!
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5710063]I think this "Goddess Mode" to refer to her when she was absorbing and channeling the faith of her worshipers, very like, I understand it was the parameter form, but she's a Literal Goddess, with or without that " Her Goddess Mode" I very much wish to see her fully ascend totally as Bast among other Wakanda of Gods.[/QUOTE]
the "goddess mode" as some like to call it is nothing more than Ororo revealing to the world the full might of her true form, no one can take it away because this power is no one's to give.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5710056]Oh that if he needed moisture to lower temperature to it's highest extent he wouldn't be omega as moisture has a measurable upper limit to how much it can freeze.[/QUOTE]
I see. I suppose that's why Hickman gave him negative temp manipulation.
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5710091]I see. I suppose that's why Hickman gave him negative temp manipulation.[/QUOTE]
any matter (periodic element) can be frozen, water is just a chemical compound we are very familiar with
[QUOTE=Daedra;5710077]the "goddess mode" as some like to call it is nothing more than Ororo revealing to the world the full might of her true form, no one can take it away because this power is no one's to give.[/QUOTE]
baby yassssssss please preach!!! this is bringing tears to my eyes
There's no such thing as her goddess form. Technically, she was actually born with this power that she finally unlocked that is heavily suppressed as shown in Shuri. Her mutant powers are nothing but a mutation that she could have been born without.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5710128]There's no such thing as her goddess form. Technically, she was actually born with this power that she finally unlocked that is heavily suppressed as shown in Shuri. Her mutant powers are nothing but a mutation that she could have been born without.[/QUOTE]
Strange does remark that she has immense potential but hasn't tapped into that simply because she doesn't even need to. Afterall she is omega in her mutation
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5710131]Strange does remark that she has immense potential but hasn't tapped into that simply because she doesn't even need to. Afterall she is omega in her mutation[/QUOTE]
Adversary also made this remark too about her potential
Yeah, she doesn't need it. Since Coates wrote it as a power that can never be taken away unlike her mutation, the writers had to suppress the power as shown in Shuri. It keeps a balance and actually stops her from becoming to overpowered. Like you know how many people love and adore Storm? That alone is faith transferred into power.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5709557]Just rereading and I hope Storm but heads with War again. She looks like a formidable female Rouge for Storm. I would love for her to conspire and challenge Storm.[/QUOTE]
Nah she'd have to cheat harder than dumb poisoning a mutant with healing factor -- that burnt hair is just show --
She's also not likely to be convincing to lead a coup
I could see Storm grinning as she keeps a tiny little rain cloud hovering over her head for days...hahaha
You know since Storm is a goddess now, does this mean that she’ll have a greatly extended life span like wolverine?
[QUOTE=BlackClaw;5710278]You know since Storm is a goddess now, does this mean that she’ll have a greatly extended life span like wolverine?[/QUOTE]
some gods live longer, others reincarnate and others just ascend to higher planes and forms
[QUOTE=BlackClaw;5710278]You know since Storm is a goddess now, does this mean that she’ll have a greatly extended life span like wolverine?[/QUOTE]
we don't know what her abilities grant her but it seems that she would hsve similar characteristics of the Wakandan gods based on the marvel book released a couple years back:
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5710313]we don't know what her abilities grant her but it seems that she would hsve similar characteristics of the Wakandan gods based on the marvel book released a couple years back:
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-JbFQ4UYAEXgXM?format=jpg&name=large[/img][/QUOTE]
No lie, Wakanda has some of the best God designs.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5710327]No lie, Wakanda has some of the best God designs.[/QUOTE]
yes those are absolutely gorgeous