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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5493169]Yeah, I guess you are right about that. I also added more to my comment above.[/QUOTE]
in regards to empathy she definitely has displayed this via her spiritual connection to the planet. I dont recall necessarily seeing this with humans.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5493176]in regards to empathy she definitely has displayed this via her spiritual connection to the planet. I dont recall necessarily seeing this with humans.[/QUOTE]
True that. She has an empathic link to the Earth itself, and not to people. So probably you are right. Regardless, she is still quite primal and brutal with her powers if she wants to mess up your brain or mind. :D
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5493136]You are right. I think some people may interject and say her powers should not work ok the astral plane but when looking to how her powers work as you mentioned as described on the marvel page it shouldn't be a surprise.
Taking one step further to some of her obscure abilities is her mental rapport/spiritual bond to the planet and being able to feel her plants when they are thirsty and/or dying. Its a different aspect of her abilities but it all i believe correlates. I would say as it pertains to her connection with plant life/mother earth i see this as being more a spiritual aspect of her abilities. That said, you make excellent points regarding what she did to bishop to the unorthodox application of her abilities linking it all back to psionics' mechanics.[/QUOTE]
In the superpowers wikipedia storm is stated to have ecological empathy. She can feel natural systems and draw from it, same as jean can with people.
So how would you feel about a Disney movie song number involving Storm doing her own version of Maui's "You're welcome!"? Seeing how she too can apparently can do everything but one thing.
[QUOTE=Idiopop;5493102]This is a question for everybody. Who are your top 5 writers for Storm? Based on what I’ve read so far, I would have to say.
Chris Claremont
Ta-Nehisi Coates
Grek Pak
Jonathan Hickman
Len Wein
And I’ll give Gerry Duggan an honorable mention for him saying she’s the omega’s omega and the most powerful Knull avatar :)[/QUOTE]
Chris Claremont (He's that guy.)
Hickman (more hopeful because i loved his avengers and FF run)
Greg Pak (i don't feel he got to tell the story he wanted to tell but did the best he could given rights at the time)
Vita (more hopeful but i think she really gets her voice)
Duggan(he seems to be the biggest fan and want the best for her.)
Those are the ones where i felt her voice instantly i would say. But it's honestly not really enough.
[QUOTE=Grunty;5493197]So how would you feel about a Disney movie song number involving Storm doing her own version of Maui's "You're welcome!"? Seeing how she too can apparently can do everything but one thing.[/QUOTE]
Storm can do a lot of things that people do not wish to accept or understand because she becomes way too powerful, more powerful than their favourites. All the speculations here in this thread come to pass from a few months to a few years. Putting aside her OLM status, which took nearly a decade to be recognized. Let's not depower her, just because some people do not comprehend her true abilities or accomplishments or some authors decide to ignore them since it will not work in their story and she will take the spotlight...
A rose for a rose.
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I’m in a soft, romantic mood.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5493203]Storm can do a lot of things that people do not wish to accept or understand because she becomes way too powerful, more powerful than their favourites. All the speculations here in this thread come to pass from a few months to a few years. Putting aside her OLM status, which took nearly a decade to be recognized. Let's not depower her, just because some people do not comprehend her true abilities or accomplishments or some authors decide to ignore them since it will not work in their story and she will take the spotlight...[/QUOTE]
Don't misunderstand my intention for the joking suggestion. It was not to complain about the extend of her powers, or that she outclasses my favorits (my favorit A-listers are Nightcrawler and Rogue i know their limits), but just having fun thinking about how she could express all she can do in a disney style song number.
After all, for people with only casual knowledge of the X-men, some of them would sound quite outlandish at first. Since the more i see things brought up here, the more i had to remember Maui's number in Moana, detailing all the world changing acomplishments he had done in the past.
Besides he did all of what he claims in the song. It's never questioned in the movie. So it's not like i was comparing her to a character who only lied about his grand achievements.
Also now i had to imagine an "Old Lady Storm" comic, where in a distant future she is called back into action.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5493179]True that. She has an empathic link to the Earth itself, and not to people. So probably you are right. Regardless, she is still quite primal and brutal with her powers if she wants to mess up your brain or mind. :D[/QUOTE]
100% agreed.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5493182]In the superpowers wikipedia storm is stated to have ecological empathy. She can feel natural systems and draw from it, same as jean can with people.[/QUOTE]
yes that is correct. she definitely just an empathic bond to the earth, plant life. just not shown with humans.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5493203]Storm can do a lot of things that people do not wish to accept or understand because she becomes way too powerful, more powerful than their favourites. All the speculations here in this thread come to pass from a few months to a few years. Putting aside her OLM status, which took nearly a decade to be recognized. Let's not depower her, just because some people do not comprehend her true abilities or accomplishments or some authors decide to ignore them since it will not work in their story and she will take the spotlight...[/QUOTE]
you know what I find quite ironic. posters who have issue storm full powerset will make petty points about her abilities but will be the same ones giving their faves abilities attributable to Ororo, such as the goddess moniker. storm was and is a goddess once she debuted. she doesn't have cheap gimmicks such as hammers or other magically enhanced objects, and comsic possessions and tons of retcons to make her into something greater than she actually was. she has always been a powerhouse out the gate. this is why she is the Omega's Omega
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5493238]you know what I find quite ironic. posters who have issue storm full powerset will make petty points about her abilities but will be the same ones giving their faves abilities attributable to Ororo, such as the goddess moniker. storm was and us a goddess once she debuted. she doesn't have cheap gimmicks such as hammers, and comsic possessions and tons of retcons to make her what she as always been. this is why she is the Omega's Omega[/QUOTE]
The problem here is that people think that to be a God you needed to have some kind of a godly weapon like Mjolnir for example. Well, that is not how things work, really. This thing works only for Thor, which is laughable, since Thor himself, cannot call himself Thor again, but just Odinson if he doesn't have the weapon... I am like... are you for real? That is just b*llsh*t.
Gods don't need godly weapons to be gods, there is plenty of Gods out there, who are the embodiment of their powers and this is how I see Storm.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5493249]The problem here is that people think that to be a God you needed to have some kind of a godly weapon like Mjolnir for example. Well, that is not how things work, really. This thing works only for Thor, which is laughable, since Thor himself, cannot call himself Thor again, but just Odinson if he doesn't have the weapon... I am like... are you for real? That is just b*llsh*t.
Gods don't need godly weapons to be gods, there is plenty of Gods out there, who are the embodiment of their powers and this is how I see Storm.[/QUOTE]
thir is a god because he is born from odin one of the first earth gods born from the consciousness of man. now I'm curious what in storm lineage makes her an actual goddess. we've seen hints of this in some form or the other in the past but I'm hoping we finally get some answers here.
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[QUOTE=Su_Whisterfield;5493228]A rose for a rose.
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that's really cute!!! I miss seeing njghtcrawler chivalrous side
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5493238]100% agreed.
yes that is correct. she definitely just an empathic bond to the earth, plant life. just not shown with humans.
you know what I find quite ironic. posters who have issue storm full powerset will make petty points about her abilities but will be the same ones giving their faves abilities attributable to Ororo, such as the goddess moniker. storm was and is a goddess once she debuted. she doesn't have cheap gimmicks such as hammers or other magically enhanced objects, and comsic possessions and tons of retcons to make her what she as always been. this is why she is the Omega's Omega[/QUOTE]
Has storm ever sensed if someone was with child aka pregnant.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5493257]thir is a god because he is born from odin one of the first earth gods born from the consciousness of man. now I'm curious what in storm lineage makes her an actual goddess. we've seen hints of this in some form or the other in the past but I'm hoping we finally get some answers here.
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This is just my theory, but I think since she comes from a powerful and royal maternal line of magic spanning back since the dawn of humanity, her ancestors were able to give her the gift of godhead or divinity by passing their power to her spiritually. (Kind of like The Avatars in The Last Airbender except she’s not the reincarnation of them) She is likely the first Omega Level Mutant in her line and she has one of the strongest wills making her the perfect candidate to accept this divine energy. People worshiping her and/or believing in her activates that power making her a true Goddess. I also read that her bloodline was blessed by Oshtur who is one of the Elder gods too (even though I can’t find the scan for it) so that might have something to do with it.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5493305]Has storm ever sensed if someone was with child aka pregnant.[/QUOTE]
lol. she actually was able to sense she had been impregnated by the brood queen:
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[QUOTE=Idiopop;5493343]This is just my theory, but I think since she comes from a powerful and royal maternal line of magic spanning back since the dawn of humanity, her ancestors were able to give her the gift of godhead or divinity by passing their power to her spiritually. (Kind of like The Avatars in The Last Airbender except she’s not the reincarnation of them) She is likely the first Omega Level Mutant in her line and she has one of the strongest wills making her the perfect candidate to accept this divine energy. People worshiping her and/or believing in her activates that power making her a true Goddess. I also read that her bloodline was blessed by Oshtur who is one of the Elder gods too (even though I can’t find the scan for it) so that might have something to do with it.[/QUOTE]
I see no error in this assessment. I personally believe her line is favored/blessed by Oshtur because of their divine blood.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5493568]lol. she actually was able to sense she had been impregnated by the brood queen:
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I see no error in this assessment. I personally believe her line is favored/blessed by Oshtur because of their divine blood.[/QUOTE]
Check this out! I went to find the Mystic Tarot series to try and find more info about Oshtur but on the first page I saw this.
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“The First step to mastering the Arcane arts is recognizing the patterns that others don’t see. The second step is recognizing that those patterns can change”
That’s exactly what Storm does with her power. Perceiving the world as patterns of force and energy that she can alter. So she actually has the potential one of the most powerful sorcerers because other magic users don’t have a mutation that allows them to naturally see energy patterns.
[QUOTE=Idiopop;5493702]Check this out! I went to find the Mystic Tarot series to try and find more info about Oshtur but on the first page I saw this.
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“The First step to mastering the Arcane arts is recognizing the patterns that others don’t see. The second step is recognizing that those patterns can change”
That’s exactly what Storm does with her power. Perceiving the world as patterns of force and energy that she can alter. So she actually has the potential one of the most powerful sorcerers because other magic users don’t have a mutation that allows them to naturally see energy patterns.[/QUOTE]
thats interesting correlation there. you know she is was predicted to as having 1/3rd chance to become the sorceress supreme.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5493706]thats interesting correlation there. you know she is was predicted to as having 1/3rd chance to become the sorceress supreme.[/QUOTE]
Yes I found it
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However I can’t find a quote that say’s Oshtur favors Ororo’s bloodline. Only that Ashake, Ororo’s sorceress ancestor worshipped her.
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[QUOTE=Obsidian_Sol;5493741]Just so y'all know, our girl has her own real world apparel brand [url]www.ororowear.com[/url]
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That's awesome!
[QUOTE=Obsidian_Sol;5493741]Just so y'all know, our girl has her own real world apparel brand [url]www.ororowear.com[/url]
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[QUOTE=Idiopop;5493726]Yes I found it
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However I can’t find a quote that say’s Oshtur favors Ororo’s bloodline. Only that Ashake, Ororo’s sorceress ancestor worshipped her.[/QUOTE]
So it is stated or shown that Ma'at favors Ashake by way of protecting her throughout that issue. Ma'at is also the same as Oshtur and this is where what you mentioned stems from relative to storm bloodline.
[QUOTE=Idiopop;5493726]Yes I found it
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However I can’t find a quote that say’s Oshtur favors Ororo’s bloodline. Only that Ashake, Ororo’s sorceress ancestor worshipped her.[/QUOTE]
This is a fun conversation. Like the Sword of Bone from Storm ancestor, it was considered too powerful and placed on the astral plane apparently. In a way that makes me wonder if psychic mutants like Apocalypse or even Xavier would have maybe extra information on perhaps someone suppose to retrieve that one day. There was a cbr article about it around the time x of swords came out i thought was a fun read.
Haven't found the scene i was looking for but this back up story in X-men classic #2 has always been a favorite of mine. I first read it in x-men vignettes.
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I loved every frame of the story.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5493835]Haven't found the scene i was looking for but this back up story in X-men classic #2 has always been a favorite of mine. I first read it in x-men vignettes.
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I loved every frame of the story.[/QUOTE]
We need their sisterhood front and center in the MCU.
Enough of these love triangle nonsense
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that is one beautiful Storm. who is the artist?
[QUOTE=jwatson;5494154]that is one beautiful Storm. who is the artist?[/QUOTE]
let me see if I can find it. its from the marvels book I believe.
edit: yup that is correct artist is Yildiray Cinar.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5494166]let me see if I can find it. its from the marvels book I believe.
edit: yup that is correct artist is Yildiray Cinar.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Appreciate the info.
lol you know ya'll got me bout to sit here eating lunch and reading mystic arcana. it was 8.99 on comixology so why not. I have too much stuff to read. lol
Could storm gift of godhead being born with omnipotent eyes. I remember someone mentioning something similar.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5494270]Thanks. Appreciate the info.
lol you know ya'll got me bout to sit here eating lunch and reading mystic arcana. it was 8.99 on comixology so why not. I have too much stuff to read. lol
Could storm gift of godhead being born with omnipotent eyes. I remember someone mentioning something similar.
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let me know how you enjoy that story. I believe its a four part mini.
I dont understand the question regarding the eyes. ru saying she would be born with omnipotent eyes due to her godhead abilities?
personally I dont need her to be omnipotent or omniscient. however I would like her godhead to afford her some enhancements such as increased durability, no need to breathe air so she could fly in space, and immunity to magic and telepathy.
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yea I read that story a few times and no where did I specifically see that Ma'at blessed favored her bloodline. but there were many instances where it was stated and shown Ma'at did protect Ashake.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5494334]yea I read that story a few times and no where did I specifically see that Ma'at blessed favored her bloodline. but there were many instances where it was stated and shown Ma'at did protect Ashake.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if storm could be going in this direction as the intermiderary between the 4 elder gods in order to preserve balance in the realms. Reading this there are a lot of little things here. The X of Swords, the tarots, Ashake learning Ororo name from Illyana, the guy getting asked the riddles the creature reminds me of the two cats in Giant Size who asked what connection emma/jean have to Storm.
This just sounds like selene is describing storm. lol
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5494355]I wonder if storm could be going in this direction as the intermiderary between the 4 elder gods in order to preserve balance in the realms. Reading this there are a lot of little things here. The X of Swords, the tarots, Ashake learning Ororo name from Illyana, the guy getting asked the riddles the creature reminds me of the two cats in Giant Size who asked what connection emma/jean have to Storm.
This just sounds like selene is describing storm. lol
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interesting. upon initially hearing of xos and the tarot cards used by that otherworldly chick i thought the xos would go the direction of tying mystic to the xos story. that unfortunately didn't happen.
however, what I find intriguing is the connection to Ma'at and ororo directly have in their god abilities:
Ma'at preserves balance and order:
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Hadari Yao preserves the balance of all natural things:
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I forgot so much of this stuff. It mentions balance so much. I wonder if the virus that was created from Storm will turn out to be what balances her. How she can effect an enviorment and it's natural principles a being that can do the same but the opposite could be just as dangerous. Robbing an environment of it's natural life or twisting it.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]108648[/ATTACH] I would not be mad at all to see Ororo in a book dealing with these concepts.
Now i'm just messing with myself. "The night that sees no dawn." Dawn of X, Sword of X ending the Dawn, moving to Reign. i need to stop but speculating if fun.
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An age of mutants? I should be doing so many things right now but i'm hooked. each page gets better. That black knight story was powerful.
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The funniest part of reading all this is i feel i may have been unfair to howard. A lot of the stuff in this mystic arcana for me is connecting to so much of what was going on in the beginning of Excalibur and i wouldn't be suprised if Apoc read the Mystic Arcana.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5494416]I forgot so much of this stuff. It mentions balance so much. I wonder if the virus that was created from Storm will turn out to be what balances her. How she can effect an enviorment and it's natural principles a being that can do the same but the opposite could be just as dangerous. Robbing an environment of it's natural life or twisting it.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]108648[/ATTACH] I would not be mad at all to see Ororo in a book dealing with these concepts.[/QUOTE]
this is why I love my Coates. I don't think anything he did relative to her was by accident. the reference to adversary, the references to Harlem, and yes the reference to balance and her gift of godhead. I believe he was either an avid storm fan before or did an incredible amount of homework. this is why he is at the top of my list of most favorite storm writers.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5494444]this is why I love my Coates. I don't think anything he did relative to her was by accident. the reference to adversary, the references to Harlem, and yes the reference to balance and her gift of godhead. I believe he was either an avid storm fan before or did an incredible amount of homework. this is why he is at the top of my list of most favorite storm writers.[/QUOTE]
I will never take away coates researh or how much of a fan he may be. There are a lot of elements of his story in mystic arcana for sure. Especially the story with Morgana in and then swearing to other gods. His execution and story didn't work for me. I am loving this and it makes me want to go back and read excalibur when i finish.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5494461]I will never take away coates researh or how much of a fan he may be. There are a lot of elements of his story in mystic arcana for sure. Especially the story with Morgana in and then swearing to other gods. His execution and story didn't work for me. I am loving this and it makes me want to go back and read excalibur when i finish.[/QUOTE]
morgana? I'm not familiar with that what are you talking about?
I know I've shown this image a gazillion times but looking at these hieroglyphics of storm being worshipped as a goddess in her xmen outfit really adds to the prophetic nature of the reveal Coates made in bp:
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I just love canon!
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The finding of the ebony rose. Now imagine ororo godhood being tied to this was the moment she arrived on the saragti and had that meeting with the bright lady. The cry, the awakening, so many points in her life it could have been tied to. Even the fact that Morgan's biggest shame was the destruction of the entire grove, now in Giant Size in storm's mind there was lots of grass and stuff.
Morgana in the mystic arcana. I'm reading the whole series.
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The finding of the ebony rose. Now imagine ororo godhood being tied to this was the moment she arrived on the saragti and had that meeting with the bright lady. The cry, the awakening, so many points in her life it could have been tied to. Even the fact that Morgan's biggest shame was the destruction of the entire grove, now in Giant Size in storm's mind there was lots of grass and stuff.[/QUOTE]
hmmmm very interesting. you know speaking of giant size as beautiful as that issue was drawn i hare it was textless issue. I would love to know the meaning of her diadem, the baobab tree, and the two guardian lions. I assume it is a reference yo either her spirit/will and/or divinity but I hate guessing when it comes to these things lol.
that image though would be beautiful if ororo had a similar moment when first engaging the bright lady.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5494468]morgana? I'm not familiar with that what are you talking about?
I know I've shown this image a gazillion times but looking at these hieroglyphics of storm being worshipped as a goddess in her xmen outfit really adds to the prophetic nature of the reveal Coates made in bp:
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I just love canon![/QUOTE]
I’ve seen this panel many times but only just noticed Kurt bamfing above her head on the cartouche!