[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697415]In this case it does. See Magneto and Polaris[/QUOTE]
Matter is built up of energy but it is not energy.
The case of Polaris and Magneto is the same case of Storm, manipulation of electromagnetic energy.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697415]In this case it does. See Magneto and Polaris[/QUOTE]
Matter is built up of energy but it is not energy.
The case of Polaris and Magneto is the same case of Storm, manipulation of electromagnetic energy.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5697402]lol, didn't know, do you know what the issue is?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697424]The case of Polaris and Magneto is the same case of Storm, manipulation of electromagnetic energy.[/QUOTE]
Through psionic energy...the manipulation of anything through psionic means is either telekinesis or psychokinesis.
I can't explain it anymore.
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While I would love to see her learn more about her magical roots...I feel like it might be overkill with her godhood.
Ororo is already part of it
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i can't read, the quality is bad lol
[QUOTE=Stormy;5697487]i can't read, the quality is bad lol[/QUOTE]
You should try to change browser, I checked on safari and chrome -both pc and ipad pro ad it looks very clear and readable to me :confused:
[QUOTE=Daedra;5697474]Ororo is already part of it[/QUOTE]
I know I read the series. Though, they never said what happened to Storm's relative Ashake.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5697487]i can't read, the quality is bad lol[/QUOTE]
Lmaoo the quality isn't bad it's just how the issue was made. It's meant to be weird-looking because it's all about different types of magic and stuff along those lines.
I'll type what it says
Astral Plane - The realm of mind, the temple of Osthur) - Abstract dimension that is shaped by the minds of those inhabiting it. Fairly easy to access even some magical psychics can travel there.
MYSTIC DIMENSIONS
From the Journals of Ian McNee
Mystic dimensions are realms whose fundamental properties are governed by magical energies as opposed to laws of physics. Magic can be practiced in mundane physical realms, such as Earth, though it is generally the exception rather than the rule.
All the dimensions are reachable at any time from anywhere, if a traveler is powerful and knowledgeable enough. For those exploring the planes for the first time or in need of a little help, there is a specific route that makes the journey less impossible. There are barriers that restrict movement between certain realms, creating subsets: The Inner Planes, the Outer Planes, the Splinter Realms and the Far Realms, but passing within the subsets, such as between two realms in the Inner Planes to another of the Inner Planes, is comparatively simple. There are four known levels/subsets of planar groupings:
The INNER PLANES are a series of dimensions that are closely connected to the Earthly plane. Some are inhabited and/or have been created by pantheons of gods worshipped by the inhabitants of Earth (such as Asgard and Olympus), others are ruled by beings such as wizards or dragons or ducks. They may seem remarkably different from our own, but they are composed of the same basic elemental components (earth, air, fire, water) that make up the physical planes. They are generally similar in appearance to Earth's dimension and obey most of the same physical laws because they all were formed with materials from the Earthly plane.
The first four Inner Planes were created by the four surviving Elder Gods, Chthon, Gaea, Oshtur and Set. When Atum banished Set and Chthon from the Earthly plane, they created dimensions very close to it in order to continue to influence things. Using their powerful magic to evolve and shape the existing elements, Set raised the Serpent's Sea and Chthon conjured the Flickering Realm. Oshtur had left Earth of her own accord tens of thousands of years before the conflict to explore the stars and other dimensions. When Oshtur returned to Earth and learned what had happened, she created a stronghold on the Astral Plane and went into voluntary exile rather than weaken the banishment spell and leave Gaea vulnerable. So that she might visit her sister more easily, Gaea also created an extradimensional home for herself called Avalon.
The Crossroads There is deep enmity between Set and Gaea, Chthon and Oshtur, but they identified the Crossroads as "neutral grounds" where they could meet. Accessible from everywhere, if you just know which door to open or what hole to crawl through, the Crossroads can sometimes be difficult to leave. Wizards have spent decades wandering back and forth between the signposts. "May you meet yourself at the Crossroads" is a favorite magician's curse.
The Astral Plane (The Realm of the Mind, the Temple of Oshtur) An abstract dimension that is shaped by the minds of those present, it is fairly easy to access, and some non magical telepaths can travel there.
Avalon (The Golden Forest, the Bosom of Gaea) Much like Earth of millennia past, Avalon is lush and green, filled with magical beings like faeries, elves and trolls.
The Serpent's Sea (Here There Be Monsters, the Coils of Set) Set's insatiable hunger ripples through this abyss of tears and cold blood. The Sea's shores ebb and flow with Set's own power. At its peak, when Set's wizards and lizards ruled the Earth, the Serpent's Sea was practically impossible to cross. Set's recent defeats have caused the Sea to recede considerably.
The Flickering Realms (Dimension of the Darkhold, The Dark Heart of Chthon) There is no map of the Flickering Realms because the landscape is constantly changing. A traveler might cross sands, then swamps, next snow, and then stone. What's more, the stone may bleed and the snow might burn like fire. The only constant here is danger. The N'Garai's dimension is inside of this one, and the demons are everywhere.
The God Realms Over the millennia, many other deities and demons have created and/or inhabited their own realms to the Inner Planes. The God Realms were created by Earth's deities who wished to be close but separate from their worshippers. These include Alchera (Aboriginal), Ama (Amatsu-Kami/Shinto/Japanese), Asgard (Asgardians/ Norse), Dilmun (Annunaki/Mesopotamian), Elysium (Yazatas/Zoroastian/Persian), Ergenekon (Tenger/Mongolian), Giizhigong (Anasazi/Native American), Hawaiki (Akua/Oceanic), Hanan Pacha (Apu/Inca), Heliopolis (Ennead/ Heliopolitans/Egyptian), Kaluwalhatian (Diwatas/Fillipino), Nirvana (Daevas/Hindu/Vedic), Olympus (Olympians/ Graeco-Roman), Orun, the Great Beyond (Vodū/African), Quidlivun (Inua/Northern), Shinshi (Shin/Korean), Svarga (Dievas/Russian/Slavic), Taivas (Jumala/Finnish), Ta Lo (Xian/Taoist/Chinese), Tir na nÓg (Otherworld) (Tuatha de Danaan/Celtic), Topán, the Floating World (TĒteoh, Aztec), Upperworld (Ahau/Maya).
In addition, there are many other Inner Planes that have been created by powerful demons (Bad Lands) or by sorcerers (Bazaar at the End of Reason) for various purposes. Some of these realms include:
Bad Lands - Mystical realm created by the Demon-Bear, resembles the American Southwest.
Bazaar at the End of Reason - Pocket realm containing a city where sorcerers can ply their trades and sell their magic wares to visitors; populated by humanoid sorcerers, aliens and extradimensional beings.
Biphasia - World divided into realms of darkness (Shadow-Realm) and light (Searland), balance sustained by Delandra the Half-Queen.
Black Sea (People of the Black Sea) - Undersea world ruled by telepathic natives who claim to have ruled Atlantis in the past until forced to flee from religious persecution.
Cloudsea - Mystical world of floating landmasses within a breathable atmosphere. Home of the sorcerous council the League of Three Threes.
Katharta - The home to Korrek the Barbarian is an archetypical world of barbarians and sorcery, covered with purple and gold foliage
Land of Legends - Mystic realm to which beings who have become American legends are brought; landscape changes to conform with the America of its inhabitants.
Mindscape - Home to the Sleepwalkers. Connects the astral realm to the Dreamscape.
Weirdworld - Home to the elves Tyndall and Velanna, this mystic realm is inhabited by variety of magical beings, the most common of which appear to be elves or dwarves.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697450]Through psionic energy...[B]the manipulation of anything through psionic means is either telekinesis or psychokinesis[/B].
I can't explain it anymore.
While I would love to see her learn more about her magical roots...I feel like it might be overkill with her godhood.[/QUOTE]
Mercifulness, not necessarily...
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Please tell me you had that already saved...lol
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697506]Please tell me you had that already saved...lol[/QUOTE]
Internet is full of resources :cool:
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697450]Through psionic energy...the manipulation of anything through psionic means is either telekinesis or psychokinesis.
I can't explain it anymore.
While I would love to see her learn more about her magical roots...I feel like it might be overkill with her godhood.[/QUOTE]
Not really as the example I gave SS can manipulate cosmic energy mentally but the source of his powers is the power cosmic. Which would not make him a telekinetic. Sersi can also do the same as SS psionically controlling cosmic energy but her powers are cosmic based. In fact, Sersi control molecules to grant her telekinesis. This means her powers aren't TK-based.
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Storm has stated when she fought Clor that the source of her power is electromagnetism (well one of them) but she manipulates that energy with her mind.
Psionic does not equal telekinetic. Magic-users can mentally control magic but that doesn't equal TK.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697512]Not really as the example I gave SS can manipulate cosmic energy but the source of his powers is power cosmic. Which would not make him a telekinetic. Sersi can also do the same as SS controlling psionic cosmic energy but her powers are cosmic based. In fact, Sersi control molecules to grant her telekinesis
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Storm has stated when she fought Clor that the source of her power is electromagnetism but she manipulates that energy with her mind.
Psionic does not equal telekinetic. Magic users can mentally control magic but that doesn't equal TK.[/QUOTE]
Don't care anymore. Sorry just burned out with the conversation.
Thanks
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697506]Please tell me you had that already saved...lol[/QUOTE]
Actually no? Both of you are actually right and wrong at the same time lol.
Psychokinesis is different from telekinesis storm is a psychokinetic not a telekinetic. A lot of people including scientist conflate the two but in parapsychology they are two separate things with tk being under psychokinesis. Psychokinesis is the manipulation or interaction of and with systems without physical touch, telekinesis is the movement of objects mind over matter. tk affects matter but psychokinesis affects well everything from matter to energy to even concepts such as time.... Etc.
Storm is a psychokinetic as she has the ability to interact and manipulate with all forces that universally govern weather. Her connection goes beyond the physical to the metaphysical and probably conceptual hence why she can use her power in the astral plane and other dimensions and planes of existence. Your average weather or elemental manipulator is confined to the physical world only but as we have seen periodically storms power can work well everywhere! With the exception of that one time in hell but that was trash.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697518]Actually no? Both of you are actually right and wrong at the same time lol.
Psychokinesis is different from telekinesis storm is a psychokinetic joy a telekinetic. A lot of people including scientist conflate the two but in parapsychology they are two separate things with tk being under psychokinesis. Psychokinesis is the manipulation or interaction with systems without physical touch, telekinesis is the movement of objects mind over matter. tk affects matter but psychokinesis affects well everything from matter to energy to even concepts such as time.... Etc.
Storm is a psychokinetic as she has the ability to interact and manipulate with all forces that universally govern weather. He reconnection goes beyond the physical to the metaphysical and probably conceptual hence why she can use her power in the astral plane and other dimensions and planes of existence. Your average weather or elemental manipulator is confined to the physical world only but as we have seen periodically storms power can work well everywhere! With the exception of that one time in hell but that was trash.[/QUOTE]
See, I was out the door. LOL. Anyway I was talking about what Deadra wrote but...
That's why included both in my replies after I though about it. It's such a wide field to play in. In many ways it's like magic...the only limitation is the writer's imagination.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697512]Not really as the example I gave SS can manipulate cosmic energy mentally but the source of his powers is the power cosmic. Which would not make him a telekinetic. Sersi can also do the same as SS psionically controlling cosmic energy but her powers are cosmic based. In fact, Sersi control molecules to grant her telekinesis. This means her powers aren't TK-based.
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Storm has stated when she fought Clor that the source of her power is electromagnetism (well one of them) but she manipulates that energy with her mind.
Psionic does not equal telekinetic. Magic-users can mentally control magic but that doesn't equal TK.[/QUOTE]
I'm screaming here that he insists on defending his thesis based on guesswork. hahaha
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697524]See, I was out the door. LOL
That's why included both in my replies after I though about it. It's such a wide field to play in. In many ways it's like magic...the only limitation is the writer's imagination...like magic.[/QUOTE]
Yh the two seem similar but they are very different exodus is a telekinetic his limits ultimately are in the physical world he would also be able to interact solely with matter in all it forms even plasma, but storm has him beat in that regard due to her being a very adept kind of psychokinetic so her powers limits ultimately can't be placed hence why she can manipulate storms made from magic ala shaman and manipulate metaphysical concepts like the trion dimension. Hell she can even feel shift in space time and heal space time rifts that is not typical weather manipulation that is something else entirely a transcendent form of elemental manipulation.
This is all semantics. Believe what you will; it's all make-believe ultimately.
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697529]I'm screaming here that he insists on defending his thesis based on guesswork. hahaha[/QUOTE]
Both of y'all are right and wrong at the same time. He was right when he said it's psychokinesis and you were right when you said tk has limits to only matter.
A psychokinetic is a whole different beast a pyrokinetic that is psychokinetic could manipulate the very concept of fire and burning.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5697534]This is all semantics. Believe what you will; it's all make-believe ultimately.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's a whole field of study called parapsychology which is taught in universities across the world. It's very interesting they are kind of laughed at due to lack of emperical evidence
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697518]Actually no? Both of you are actually right and wrong at the same time lol.
Psychokinesis is different from telekinesis storm is a psychokinetic not a telekinetic. A lot of people including scientist conflate the two but in parapsychology they are two separate things with tk being under psychokinesis. Psychokinesis is the manipulation or interaction of and with systems without physical touch, telekinesis is the movement of objects mind over matter. tk affects matter but psychokinesis affects well everything from matter to energy to even concepts such as time.... Etc.
Storm is a psychokinetic as she has the ability to interact and manipulate with all forces that universally govern weather. Her connection goes beyond the physical to the metaphysical and probably conceptual hence why she can use her power in the astral plane and other dimensions and planes of existence. Your average weather or elemental manipulator is confined to the physical world only but as we have seen periodically storms power can work well everywhere! With the exception of that one time in hell but that was trash.[/QUOTE]
But no one has denied that her powers are psionic, we're just saying it doesn't configure Telekinesis.
As you well exemplified.
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697540]But no one has denied that her powers are psionic, we're just saying it doesn't configure Telekinesis.
As you well exemplified.[/QUOTE]
That's why both of you were right because ultimately it's psionic in nature. As psycho literally means unstable mind storms only one true limit is her will and imagination how far she is willing to push herself and to some extent her body's strength.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697537]Both of y'all are right and wrong at the same time. He was right when he said it's psychokinesis and you were right when you said tk has limits to only matter.
A psychokinetic is a whole different beast a pyrokinetic that is psychokinetic could manipulate the very concept of fire and burning.[/QUOTE]
But at no time did I say that her powers were not psionic, on the contrary, I reaffirmed what he said but said that her abilities do not configure telekinesis, I gave several examples of why they do not configure telekinesis, brought scans, and even explained why storm it would be able to manipulate the force of gravity in a certain way, since it is directly related to its power. On the other hand, he tried to refute scientific and canonical bases, summarizing all his skill in Telekinesis.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697532]Yh the two seem similar but they are very different exodus is a telekinetic his limits ultimately are in the physical world he would also be able to interact solely with matter in all it forms even plasma, but storm has him beat in that regard due to her being a very adept kind of psychokinetic so her powers limits ultimately can't be placed hence why she can manipulate storms made from magic ala shaman and manipulate metaphysical concepts like the trion dimension. Hell she can even feel shift in space time and heal space time rifts that is not typical weather manipulation that is something else entirely a transcendent form of elemental manipulation.[/QUOTE]
I wrote here a long time ago, I believe unlike characters like Jean Grey and other telekinetics who can turn off their abilities. Elemental like Storm, Iceman, Magma...etc are continually projecting psionic energy into their environment, thus connecting them to the primal forces of the world or universe their in. Which would explain how their powers work so fast...because their always connected to their element
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697547]But at no time did I say that her powers were not psionic, on the contrary, I reaffirmed what he said but said that her abilities do not configure telekinesis, I gave several examples of why they do not configure telekinesis, brought scans, and even explained why storm it would be able to manipulate the force of gravity in a certain way, since it is directly related to its power. On the other hand, he tried to refute scientific and canonical bases, summarizing all his skill in Telekinesis.[/QUOTE]
Yh well that's not exactly his fault like I said even scientist conflate the two hell even Wikipedia thinks they are the same. But in parapsychology they are two totally different things.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697551]I wrote her a long time ago, I believe unlike characters like Jean Grey and other telekinetics who can turn off their abilities. Elemental like Storm, Iceman, Magma...etc are continually projecting psionic energy into their environment, thus connecting them to the primal forces of the world or universe their in. Which would explain how their powers work so fast...because their always connected to their element[/QUOTE]
To an extent elementals are a higher tier than your run of the mill psychic as they are directly linked to a primal force that shapes and sustains the universe..... Given as iceman has literally frozen light with little to no effort or storm healing rifts in space time, it's difficult to establish telepaths or telekinetics as stronger as storm is literally as potent as her entire environment. Case in point shogo jubilees baby can become a dragon whose fire melts reality itself. That's insane and metaphysical. He literally can kill and negate any reality altering or whatever.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697556]To an extent elementals are a higher tier than your run of the mill psychic as they are directly linked to a primal force that shapes and sustains the universe..... Given as iceman has literally frozen light with little to no effort or storm healing rifts in space time, it's difficult to establish telepaths or telekinetics as stronger as storm is literally as potent as her entire environment.[/QUOTE]
Let's not talk about Bobby freezing light, makes my head hurt. LOL
Truthfully. elementals are scary...especially Storm, her abilities touch so many forms of power.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697562]Let's not talk about Bobby freezing light, makes my head hurt. LOL
Truthfully. elementals are scare...especially Storm, her abilities touch so many forms of power.[/QUOTE]
Ofcourse that's what their power literally induces lol. And yh elementals are very scary a moderately adept elemental is literally a force of nature not to say an omega one or one that has the capacity to become one with these forces itself.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697553]Yh well that's not exactly his fault like I said even scientist conflate the two hell even Wikipedia thinks they are the same. But in parapsychology they are two totally different things.[/QUOTE]
Yes, even I thought like him one day. Naturally, but after I started studying more about the thermodynamics of storm powers, I got to better understand how their abilities work.
Telekinetic/Psychokinetic Power is literally the same thing. You can call it that along with other names such as mind over matter, PK, TK, Psi, and much more. There isn't a difference because it's the same power that can be called by different names.
Also Storm using her powers in mental planes has been very much iffy because when she went in a mental plane with Jean her power over the elementals was not effective.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697562]Let's not talk about Bobby freezing light, makes my head hurt. LOL
Truthfully. elementals are scary...especially Storm, her abilities touch so many forms of power.[/QUOTE]
He froze the speed of light, science explains, what happened is that he reduced the kinetic energy of the atoms by bringing the temperature down to absolute zero around Cain.
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697579]He froze the speed of light, science explains, what happened is that he reduced the kinetic energy of the atoms by bringing the temperature down to absolute zero around Cain.[/QUOTE]
He means the feat is mind boggling
I think that if Storm manipulates the energy patterns that govern the weather, it has some control over the gravitational potential energy, as this is directly linked to some weather elements.
That's what I was talking about.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697585]He means the feat is mind boggling[/QUOTE]
In theory it is not, since when we reduce the kinetic energy of atoms, in a way we brake the speed. That's why Storm uses very low temperatures to drain energy.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697572]Telekinetic/Psychokinetic Power is literally the same thing. You can call it that along with other names such as mind over matter, PK, TK, Psi, and much more. There isn't a difference because it's the same power that can be called by different names.
Also Storm using her powers in mental planes has been very much iffy because when she went in a mental plane with Jean her power over the elementals was not effective.[/QUOTE]
Storms power over the elements allows her to have an innate connection to the elements. I don't see telekinetics in comics state that they have an innate connection with the energies and matter around them now why would that be? Because their power has its limits in the physical. Mind you storms power over the elements can only be realized when her mind body and soul are one. She literally can't function properly if even one is out of synch. Now the astral world there are two occasions I recall stork using her powers first when she created a mini storm to wash jean grey's face and another when she used a wind storm to try to save nightcrawler from a mob in his mind during the limbo inhuman period. The second time it didn't work not because her powers doesn't work but jean stated that it's a memory so she can't really change the events as they have already happened cause mind you the wind was conjured alright but it wasn't effective because it was a memory.
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697594]In theory it is not, since when we reduce the kinetic energy of atoms, in a way we brake the speed. That's why Storm uses very low temperatures to drain energy.[/QUOTE]
He knows that but also to most comic book fans it's staggering seeing how far bobby has come. Hence him being a bit shook.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697600]He knows that but also to most comic book fans it's staggering seeing how far bobby has come. Hence him being a bit shook.[/QUOTE]
My dream Ororo reach absolute zero, there are signs of her having come very close.
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697589]I think that if Storm manipulates the energy patterns that govern the weather, it has some control over the gravitational potential energy, as this is directly linked to some weather elements.
That's what I was talking about.[/QUOTE]
She does especially manipulating tidal waves and air motions which are caused by gravity. She has minor control obviously not effect to affect the gravity fields themselves. That could change in the future because we do know she can use the full power of the sun which includes gravity.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697598]Storms power over the elements allows her to have an innate connection to the elements. I don't see telekinetics in comics state that they have an innate connection with the energies and matter around them now why would that be? Because their power has its limits in the physical. Mind you storms power over the elements can only be realized when her mind body and soul are one. She literally can't function properly if even one is out of synch. Now the astral world there are two occasions I recall stork using her powers first when she created a mini storm to wash jean grey's face and another when she used a wind storm to try to save nightcrawler in the limbo inhuman period. The second time it didn't work not because her powers doesn't work but jean stated that it's a memory so she can't really change the events as they have already happened cause mind you the wind was conjured alright but it wasn't effective because it was a memory.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but it's plot? The X-men powers, not just Storm were working in the astral plane. The avenger's powers were also working in there too. It's based on the plot.
Also, she was in a mindscape so her powers should have worked as you stated regardless. This means storm using her powers in mindscapes or astral planes can be dependent on plot.
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697603]My dream Ororo reach absolute zero, there are signs of her having come very close.[/QUOTE]
Well we know Bobby's cold doesn't affect her so maybe yes. But in theory she should be able to reach the temperature extremes
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697572]Telekinetic/Psychokinetic Power is literally the same thing. You can call it that along with other names such as mind over matter, PK, TK, Psi, and much more. There isn't a difference because it's the same power that can be called by different names.
Also Storm using her powers in mental planes has been very much iffy because when she went in a mental plane with Jean her power over the elementals was not effective.[/QUOTE]
Where what storm got into a duel with Jean on a mental plane? I know of stories where Storm managed to use her abilities even on a mental plane, even breaking Cassandra's control over her and the x men.
Would you have the issue?
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697603]My dream Ororo reach absolute zero, there are signs of her having come very close.[/QUOTE]
Technically a scan did state she generated the coldest temperatures possible before. This means we can speculate she got very low in the sub-zero or she reached absolute zero.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697606]Yeah but it's plot? The X-men powers, not just Storm were working in the astral plane. The avenger's powers were also working in there too. It's based on the plot.[/QUOTE]
Yh that was the first time then again in nightcrawlers mind she summoned a windstorm which indeed came but couldn't affect the mob because it was a memory as explain by jean.