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[QUOTE=Idiopop;5547813]just wanted to highlight this because the magnitude of Storm’s power is really insane.
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Being able to manipulate Cosmic Winds is no joke! That galactic core feat is heavily underrated outside of Storm’s fanon community and we need to be bringing that up more because I never see it being talked about in Storm’s powerset by X-Office, youtube videos, or vs battles enough. There are still people who think her powers don’t work in space because it’s not “weather” that is one the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. So her mutation and energy sight is just supposed to turn off just because she leaves a planetary atmosphere? Hell No!. She’s OMEGA LEVEL. As I said before Storm’s power emanates from her, she doesn’t need any source to power her up. She sees and feels the elements of nature as patterns of force and energy that are hers to command. She’s already shown she can manipulate cosmic winds which are made up of plasma. Well guess what? 99.9% of the observable universe is made up plasma, which means she can manipulate the universe. Her feats on earth are just a small speck of her true power. He target doesn’t need to be within her line of sight either as we have seen she has struck down a ship thousands of miles a way by perceiving it the atmosphere. I also really love this scan. It really explains how her powers are more than merely planetary.
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"More goddess than mutant ".
Period.
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I love me some red sonja. I didn't know there was art with these two ladies together. I was just thinking last night how a matchup between them would go lol
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5549130]1. I so wanted Ewing to have a chance to write her too. If they are not looking to expand her usage of abilities in the cosmos I personally don't care to see it but if this is a path to broaden her impact within the mu im for it.
2. excellent point about the more prominent books being led primarily by white men or women. its packaged differently yes but its the same energy the xoffices have been given for quite a while. I still think its a huge slap in the face for a character like bishop to be taking orders from kitty and or Emma considering his resume. he definitely should be calling a lot more shots than he has been.[/QUOTE]
I think Ewing would do great things with Storm. Not only is there more room to explore Storm's powers in a space setting, but there's also the chance to see her deal with larger threats that test her heart and soul. I'd also want to see how her dynamic with Brand is different from Magneto's.
Yea and to be clear I don't think all of the books I mentioned are bad. Hellions is great and I like X-Force even though there's no prominent POC characters lol. SWORD is one of my favorite books right now. But let's not act like there's been some seismic shift in how the writers have constructed the current X-Men status quo in terms of diversity. It's still white men at the undisputed top when it comes to narrative and just a bunch of white women and handful of white gay characters thrown in to spruce things up.
I'm not complaining too much because these are mostly white creators making comics for an audience that's mostly white, I accept this as a fan. But don't insult my intelligence by hyping up your diverse lineups or "big plans" for a non-white character when it's not supported with a history of relevant story influence or consistent focus. That said I trust Hickman but I'm fully prepared for Storm's story to just be whatever she does in Planet-Size.
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[QUOTE=chief12d;5549177]I think Ewing would do great things with Storm. Not only is there more room to explore Storm's powers in a space setting, but there's also the chance to see her deal with larger threats that test her heart and soul. I'd also want to see how her dynamic with Brand is different from Magneto's.
Yea and to be clear I don't think all of the books I mentioned are bad. Hellions is great and I like X-Force even though there's no prominent POC characters lol. SWORD is one of my favorite books right now. But let's not act like there's been some seismic shift in how the writers have constructed the current X-Men status quo in terms of diversity. It's still white men at the undisputed top when it comes to narrative and just a bunch of white women and handful of white gay characters thrown in to spruce things up.
I'm not complaining too much because these are mostly white creators making comics for an audience that's mostly white, I accept this as a fan of most major comic franchises. But don't insult my intelligence by hyping up your diversity or "big plans" for a non-white character when it's not supplemented with a history of genuine story influence or consistent focus. That said I trust Hickman but I'm fully prepared for Storm's story to just be whatever she does in Planet-Size.[/QUOTE]
1. agreed with all your points here.
2. I think the books have been good but to point out the truth that white characters are still paving the direction as it pertains to the xbooks is simply just the truth. if the big plans were just this giant size issue child.... I dont even want to think about it lol.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5549184]1. agreed with all your points here.
2. I think the books have been good but to point out the truth that white characters are still paving the direction as it pertains to the xbooks is simply just the truth. if the big plans were just this giant size issue child.... I dont even want to think about it lol.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, can't agree more. If they only have those plans for her, I would be ultimately disappointed, because I was expecting at least a solo in Space for her.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5547688]yes that is correct in 1976 Woweekazowie did an article where it was presented she was possibly more powerful than thor. why people see it differently today is simply thor has never been boxed in when it comes to his powers while most xwriters were trying to do the complete opposite with storm. that is until Coates came along.
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thanks for this. I just would like to put it out there if characters like Spiderman and Wolverine can be featured in books outside their main offices and it not diminish them in any way, I don't see how that would be the case with storm appearing in BP. the onus is on the xwriters to develop her, while any other stories should be supplemental. I think it was harder to point out any substantive storm stories because the xwriters were not doing anything with her frankly until Coates took an interest in her.[/QUOTE]
I think the cases of Wolverine and Spiderman are different though. They both have their own books and series to develop their characters and histories. They are also featured in multiple big events around the Marvel Universe, so it's already ingrained and a given that they are important figures. Even if the X Offices did nothing with Wolverine, he would still have his own book to continue to develop him substantially. Storm is not given that same treatment despite being arguably as iconic and important to the marvel brand. The biggest issue with the BP ship off was that Storm was instantly ripped from the XBooks. (I do believe that whatever happened behind the scenes it stripped the X Offices of the ability to use Storm in certain ways. Many have alluded to this). And without a solo book, she wallowed initially as just a feature in BP books and wallpaper in XMen.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5548223]all of this is fair but it should be applied to storm too. she's an a-list character that is rarely given the alist treatment. that should stop.[/QUOTE]
This is the major point I'm making. This is a failure of Marvel not just individual writers. Storm should have had a solo eons ago and it should've been endlessly supported like some other female solo books are supported.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5549336]Yeah, can't agree more. If they only have those plans for her, I would be ultimately disappointed, because I was expecting at least a solo in Space for her.[/QUOTE]
Count me in on the disappointed crew. Just give this woman a well supported solo please smh.
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Ugh...so all the way until Sept ...:(. Well hopefully its these plans fire out the fate in a way that makes the wait worthwhile.
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[QUOTE=Sdawg;5549392]I think the cases of Wolverine and Spiderman are different though. They both have their own books and series to develop their characters and histories. They are also featured in multiple big events around the Marvel Universe, so it's already ingrained and a given that they are important figures. Even if the X Offices did nothing with Wolverine, he would still have his own book to continue to develop him substantially. Storm is not given that same treatment despite being arguably as iconic and important to the marvel brand. The biggest issue with the BP ship off was that Storm was instantly ripped from the XBooks. (I do believe that whatever happened behind the scenes it stripped the X Offices of the ability to use Storm in certain ways. Many have alluded to this). And without a solo book, she wallowed initially as just a feature in BP books and wallpaper in XMen.[/QUOTE]
thats where I disagree. storm was still in the xbooks even after she was married. she was xenogenesis and appeared in many xbooks in parallel. it boiled to what writers wanted to do at that time which was promote cyclops as the figurehead of the xmen. if she were stripped and not allowed to be used by the xoffices how then was she still being used? this from my perspective is an excuse by the xoffice to find a scapegoat. we were told 2021 would be big plans for storm, that they were waiting to tell their story because she was in BP but what have we gotten since they have been telling the stories they want for her? The truth with this is that if they wanted her to have a solo with characters and stories she would. Coates said he was going to write a solo for hed back in 2017 and it never happened. Why? Because the xoffices didn't want that and her being used there is simply an excuse.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5549451]thats where I disagree. storm was still in the xbooks even after she was married. she was xenogenesis and appeared in many xbooks in parallel. it boiled to what writers wanted to do at that time which was promote cyclops as the figurehead of the xmen. if she were stripped and not allowed to be used by the xoffices how then was she still being used? this from my perspective is an excuse by the xoffice to find a scapegoat. we were told 2021 would be big plans for storm, that they were waiting to tell their story because she was in BP but what have we gotten since they have been telling the stories they want for her? The truth with this is that if they wanted her to have a solo with characters and stories she would. Coates said he was going to write a solo for hed back in 2017 and it never happened. Why? Because the xoffices didn't want that and her being used there is simply an excuse.[/QUOTE]
I can understand your interpretation. However, there were a lot of funny things going on with the XMen and different characters at that time in regards to rights for me to believe some of the limitations may have been true. But I wasn't in the office so I guess each person has to believe what they want and only they will truly know. When I said she was stripped out of the Xbooks, I meant figuratively. She was still featured in them but she wasn't a character of importance. I personally don't necessarily think this is all the x office's blame. I do feel like perhaps there were negotiations made in regards to Storm's character potentially being used elsewhere and that could have restricted the degree to which she could be used in the Xbooks. Was it a wise move probably not.
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[QUOTE=Sdawg;5549508]I can understand your interpretation. However, there were a lot of funny things going on with the XMen and different characters at that time in regards to rights for me to believe some of the limitations may have been true. But I wasn't in the office so I guess each person has to believe what they want and only they will truly know. When I said she was stripped out of the Xbooks, I meant figuratively. She was still featured in them but she wasn't a character of importance. I personally don't necessarily think this is all the x office's blame. I do feel like perhaps there were negotiations made in regards to Storm's character potentially being used elsewhere and that could have restricted the degree to which she could be used in the Xbooks. Was it a wise move probably not.[/QUOTE]
I agree no one can for certain say either unless we work at marvel; however, at the end of the day Storm is an xmen property and the onus is on them to develop the character. it shouldn't be driven by other offices.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5549524]I agree no one can for certain say either unless we work at marvel; however, at the end of the day Storm is an xmen property and the onus is on them to develop the character. it shouldn't be driven by other offices.[/QUOTE]
Never disagreed with this. I actually said something to this effect in my original post when I praised Coates. That being said I also think it’s fair to acknowledge if there were any other negotiations that perhaps got in the way of possible development. Since some of the writers alluded to that and given the climate of Marvel’s hold on the XMen at the time, I wouldn’t be surprised if this too were part (not all) of the blame. That’s all I’m saying lol.
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[QUOTE=Sdawg;5549576]Never disagreed with this. I actually said something to this effect in my original post when I praised Coates. That being said I also think it’s fair to acknowledge if there were any other negotiations that perhaps got in the way of possible development. Since some of the writers alluded to that and given the climate of Marvel’s hold on the XMen at the time, I wouldn’t be surprised if this too were part (not all) of the blame. That’s all I’m saying lol.[/QUOTE]
if you can find any articles or such that talked to her being off limits please share. I've heard similar points made in the past from other storm fans so I believe there to be truth in it but it seems to me even still to be a convenient excuse to placate a fanbase. nevertheless, its neither here nor there. we know what hudlin wanted for the character : he wanted to make her a queen of nation. we know what coates wanted to do with the character: he wanted to make her revered as a goddess. let's see exactly what the xoffices have in store now that the character is in their full control.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5549624]if you can find any articles or such that talked to her being off limits please share. I've heard similar points made in the past from other storm fans so I believe there to be truth in it but it seems to me even still to be a convenient excuse to placate a fanbase. nevertheless, its neither here nor there. we know what hudlin wanted for the character : he wanted to make her a queen of nation. we know what coates wanted to do with the character: he wanted to make her revered as a goddess. let's see exactly what the xoffices have in store now that the character is in their full control.[/QUOTE]
Lol! I'm neither confirming nor denying, I'm just leaving room for possibility since it has been mentioned as such by people who were writing the stories. When it comes to the point I was making, I don't know how either Hudlin or Coates makes a difference. I'm arguing that it's a structural thing. Storm is not positioned to be as big of an influence as she should be period. This goes beyond any one writer. I am not taking the onus off of the X Office. And even with what has been done in BP all it has done is brought about are cosmetic changes (she's identified as a powerhouse, and goddess) but it hasn't, as of yet, brought any real major significant change to her role and importance MU wide (maybe this will come with the Big Plans). She was still a queen and is a goddess who is a secondary character in BP's comic and casually used in XMen. For her to really have the impact she deserves, the structure and placement of her character has to be changed. Being made a goddess or a queen weren't necessary steps to get shine she truly deserves (not that they are bad changes lol). Despite these changes, Storm to date STILL does NOT have a solo!!! That's ludicrous!
I reiterate, I'm NOT disagreeing with you. I'm making a different point.
I think Claremont said it best when he talked about his criticism of the pair. Without a solo book for Storm (or even a joint book) it's hard to put fair balance that is respectful to both characters.
Claremont said. "Does Ororo become a supporting character in T’Challa’s book? Does T’Challa become a supporting character in Ororo’s book? How do you strike a balance between them?
This of course has nothing to do with the shit show that went on related to Storm in the XBooks but it hits back to my original post on why I have issues with the pair. It isn't about the writers.
Actually, it makes me question, has there ever been a marriage between two powerhouse characters of different brands? I mean, when I think of Scott and Jean, or Reed and Susan, they were in the same book. Any other big pair that I can think of already had their own books and solo support. This is the first situation I can think of like this. Am I wrong?
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[QUOTE=Sdawg;5549676]Lol! You said you believe there is some truth in it and label it as an excuse at the same time lol. I'm neither confirming nor denying, I'm just leaving room for possibility since it has been mentioned as such by people who were writing the stories. When it comes to the point I was making, I don't know how either Hudlin or Coates makes a difference. It's clear you think it's the writers responsibility. I'm arguing that it's a structural thing. Storm is not positioned to be as big of an influence as she should be period. This goes beyond any one writer. I am not taking the onus off of the X Office. And even with what has been done in BP all it has done is opened a possible door, as of yet, it hasn't brought any real major significant change to her status quo MU wide. She was still a queen and is a goddess who was a secondary character in BP's comic and relatively non existent in XMen. For her to really have her place, the structure and placement of her character has to be changed. She didn't have to be made a goddess or a queen to finally get the spotlight and importance she truly deserves. To your point, Wolverine is just a man with claws and he's everywhere. Storm to date STILL does NOT have a solo!!! That's ludicrous!
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I never saw such reports myself however I dont believe who alleged they did would have a reason to lie. nevertheless, even if such things were stated I still believe it to be an excuse. these are fictional characters at the end of the day and I find it truly hard to believe that if an xwriter wanted to use an xcharacter even if they were being used by another office that they wouldn't be able to.
I agree regarding the structural placement. 100%. if the avengers office wants to offer her some form of development but it ultimately isn't recognized or further explored by her home office her significance won't change. it all has to start from her home office ultimately for there to be true change for the character. she certainly didn't have to have any of those things happen to gain more significance but it does show you that the other offices were thinking big for the character despite if one agrees or disagrees with the execution. I think we are on the same page regarding a solo but it shouldn't stop there. the same push captain marvel gets when numbers tank and then it's rebooted is what storm needs. it should just be an expected given, like Wolverine, that she will have a solo. when that approach is taken I believe her trajectory and significance can grow that reflects the a-list status age possesses.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5549690]I never saw such reports myself however I dont believe who alleged they did would have a reason to lie. nevertheless, even if such things were stated I still believe it to be an excuse. these are fictional characters at the end of the day and I find it truly hard to believe that if an xwriter wanted to use an xcharacter even if they were being used by another office that they wouldn't be able to.
I agree regarding the structural placement. 100%. if the avengers office wants to offer her some form of development but it ultimately isn't recognized or further explored by her home office her significance won't change. it all has to start from her home office ultimately for there to be true change for the character. she certainly didn't have to have any of those things happen to gain more significance but it does show you that the other offices were thinking big for the character despite if one agrees or disagrees with the execution. [B]I think we are on the same page regarding a solo but it shouldn't stop there. the same push captain marvel gets when numbers tank and then it's rebooted is what storm needs. it should just be an expected given, like Wolverine, that she will have a solo. when that approach is taken I believe her trajectory and significance can grow that reflects the a-list status age possesses[/B].[/QUOTE]
YES! This is my point!
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[QUOTE=Sdawg;5549685]I think Claremont said it best when he talked about his criticism of the pair. Without a solo book for Storm (or even a joint book) it's hard to put fair balance that is respectful to both characters.
Claremont said. "Does Ororo become a supporting character in T’Challa’s book? Does T’Challa become a supporting character in Ororo’s book? How do you strike a balance between them?
This of course has nothing to do with the shit show that went on related to Storm in the XBooks but it hits back to my original post on why I have issues with the pair. It isn't about the writers.
Actually, it makes me question, has there ever been a marriage between two powerhouse characters of different brands? I mean, when I think of Scott and Jean, or Reed and Susan, they were in the same book. Any other big pair that I can think of already had their own books and solo support. This is the first situation I can think of like this. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]
I actually didn't understand his point. Does it being "hard" means its not doable? Also what realistic expectations should a reader have when reading a book titled "Black Panther" where Storm is included? To expect her to be the star or not be secondary to me is unrealistic. Also, how does Claremont feel Ororo has been treated in the xbooks? The question i asked you previously regarding a storm defining story was to make the point that hypothetical questions regarding her use in black panther isn't necessary because those points apply to how she has always treated in the xbooks. What story has given storm proper balance that was written by the xoffice?
She took a backseat to Cyclops and Logan during Schism, she took a backseat to Logan when he was headmaster of the Jean Grey school, when she was leader she was a wreck over Logan so still took a backseat to him there emotionally, she took a backseat to kitty when she turned over leadership of the xmen to her after IvX, she took a backseat to Jean in Xmen Red where Jean used connections specific to storm in working towards making a mutant nation, and now she still is letting Xavier/Magneto direct her place in the world, while recently getting out of a story where she was taking a backseat to kitty/emma. She's been a perpetual supporting character in xmen often times simply just serving as wallpaper adding nothing to the story. So why is it all of a sudden a bad thing when she is in a relationship to T'Challa that her being a supporting character would persist? Its the status quo if we are using her time with the xmen as a standard.
For me a good writer could make their relationship work. I thought Coates had a healthy balance between the two, she appeared occasionally and she was given nice moments. All in all, I just can't wrap my head around the position they can't work because one would be a support to the other because in the case of ororo that has been her role in the xmen since the early 2000s.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5549699]I actually didn't understand his point. Does it being "hard" means its not doable? Also what realistic expectations should a reader have when reading a book titled "Black Panther" where Storm is included? To expect her to be the star or not be secondary to me is unrealistic. Also, how does Claremont feel Ororo has been treated in the xbooks? The question i asked you previously regarding a storm defining story was to make the point that hypothetical questions regarding her use in black panther isn't necessary because those points apply to how she has always treated in the xbooks. What story has given storm proper balance that was written by the xoffice?
She took a backseat to Cyclops and Logan during Schism, she took a backseat to Logan when he was headmaster of the Jean Grey school, when she was leader she was a wreck over Logan so still took a backseat to him there, she took a backseat to kitty when she turned over leadership of the xmen to her, she took a backseat to Jean where Jean used connections specific to storm in making her mutant nation, and now she still is letting Xavier/Magneto drive her place in the world, while recently getting out of a storyvwhere she was taking a backseat to kitty/emma. She's been a perpetual supporting character in xmen often times simply just wallpaper adding nothing to the story. So why is it all of a sudden a bad thing when she is in a relationship to T'Challa?
For me a good writer could make their relationship work. I thought Coates had a healthy balance between the two, she appeared occasionally and she was given nice moments. All in all, I just can't wrap my head around the position they can't work because one would be a support to the other because in the case of ororo that has been her role in the xmen since the early 2000s.[/QUOTE]
The point for me is that Storm needs her own space and that if she had her own space it wouldn't be hard. I don't think anyone reads or expects Black Panther to be about Storm. That is exactly what the problem is. Storm needs her own space.
I clearly understood your reasons for the question and I don't understand why the question was important given the point I was making. I have continuously stated that the X Offices weren't doing what they should have been with the character. I also argue that having Storm's other sole space as a secondary character in BP doesn't fit the type of character she is. I don't know what you think I'm trying to say because you keep trying to hoist up the BP book and point out its role in Storm's development and I have consistently agreed with the point.
I'm also saying just because you're in one bad relationship doesn't make walking into another bad relationship better. Whether she is a secondary character in XMEN or BP it doesn't work for a character of her status period. I keep saying this. It's not about writers, it's about recognizing her impact as a ICON for the company period lol
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[QUOTE=Stormultt Divine;5549142]"More goddess than mutant ".
Period.[/QUOTE]
Claremont wasn't joking when he said pheonix was made to put jean on storms level. He really does believe she is universal level.... We Stan a king believes truth.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5549692]YES! This is my point![/QUOTE]
Like marvel has been given mana by the gods to literally make their most prominent hero a woman of colour they didn't even have to do kivh she is already a very high profile charachter most people know who storm is ar at least can recognise her carol (no offense) was much more interesting as Ms marvel. But I guess that worked out since we got Kamala in the end. Storm has significance she is a cultural icon and she is the most published female comic book charachter of all time. All they need to do is simply push her but, nope! That simply can't be done.
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[QUOTE=chief12d;5549177]I think Ewing would do great things with Storm. Not only is there more room to explore Storm's powers in a space setting, but there's also the chance to see her deal with larger threats that test her heart and soul. I'd also want to see how her dynamic with Brand is different from Magneto's.
Yea and to be clear I don't think all of the books I mentioned are bad. Hellions is great and I like X-Force even though there's no prominent POC characters lol. SWORD is one of my favorite books right now. But let's not act like there's been some seismic shift in how the writers have constructed the current X-Men status quo in terms of diversity. It's still white men at the undisputed top when it comes to narrative and just a bunch of white women and handful of white gay characters thrown in to spruce things up.
I'm not complaining too much because these are mostly white creators making comics for an audience that's mostly white, I accept this as a fan. But don't insult my intelligence by hyping up your diverse lineups or "big plans" for a non-white character when it's not supported with a history of relevant story influence or consistent focus. That said I trust Hickman but I'm fully prepared for Storm's story to just be whatever she does in Planet-Size.[/QUOTE]
very true and i have been pretty much on the same page but i can't even act like we are not in may and have solitics through august and she is not even a member of a team let alone has a direction to go in. Even planet sized x-men whatever happens there seems to be Magneto's idea.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5549087]Then do it create a fan comic exploring storm in the way you see her..trust me most storm fans will thank you for it. Sometimes you got to bring the mountain to Mohammed and if the xoffice us just gonna do lipservice we might as well do what we need to do.[/QUOTE]
you got a co- writer, lets go.l i usually only show my under 20 minute stuff here.
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Not a single one of those took me longer than 30 minutes so a script and me actually using reference i can do it quicker and it will look better. i'm an art/business double major in that while i was going to school for business i made sure i took like life drawing, and had enough credits that i could graduate in either field if i wanted. lol. i played it smart kind of since as a child you know you always hear theres no money in art. lol
Oh and i already own clip studio ex so this baby can be all digitial and ready to go. lol
some more throw away art.
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This is absolutely gorgeous
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I can't get twitter at work (and I don't have twitter) so I can't post the pic, BUT I LOVE IT!!!!!!!
I wish Adam Kubert's rarely used 2nd Revolution costume wasn't cut off (it one of the gems). Yet Alan Davis' bore - with all of its variants - were rightly cut off.
In order of love:
1) Original
2) Outback
3) Jim Lee's (silver not white)
4) Anka (X-Force female X-Men team)
5) Current
6) Asgardian Goddess
7) 2nd Revolution look
8) Dowson's (Storm limited series)
9) X-Treme (with braids)
10) AoA
11) 1st Revolution look (black and purple)
12) Punk (Never a fan)
13) Ultimate
14) Alan Davis sash with lightning bolt cape
15) Alan Davis inspired bathing suit
--) X-Men training uniform
X) white Astonishing monstrosity:mad:
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[QUOTE=Alphaxman;5550088]I can't get twitter at work (and I don't have twitter) so I can't post the pic, BUT I LOVE IT!!!!!!!
I wish Adam Kubert's rarely used 2nd Revolution costume wasn't cut off (it one of the gems). Yet Alan Davis' bore - with all of its variants - were rightly cut off.[/QUOTE]
I agree. That one was neat. Overall this is great though; our gurl looks goodt!
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[QUOTE=Sdawg;5549714]The point for me is that Storm needs her own space and that if she had her own space it wouldn't be hard. I don't think anyone reads or expects Black Panther to be about Storm. That is exactly what the problem is. Storm needs her own space.
I clearly understood your reasons for the question and I don't understand why the question was important given the point I was making. I have continuously stated that the X Offices weren't doing what they should have been with the character. I also argue that having Storm's other sole space as a secondary character in BP doesn't fit the type of character she is. I don't know what you think I'm trying to say because you keep trying to hoist up the BP book and point out its role in Storm's development and I have consistently agreed with the point.
I'm also saying just because you're in one bad relationship doesn't make walking into another bad relationship better. Whether she is a secondary character in XMEN or BP it doesn't work for a character of her status period. I keep saying this. It's not about writers, it's about recognizing her impact as a ICON for the company period lol[/QUOTE]
1. We agree there. Storm should be and can appear in multiple titles while being allowed her own space. As I've said if Wolverine can manage it why not Storm? Being featured in black panther won't inhibit her from carrying a solo book. What truly inhibits her having her own space are tthe xoffices.
2. Those questions again were to demonstrate what creators can do with a character if they are interested in doing so. BP creators have managed to give her more development than her home office because they genuinely are invested in the character. What is the xoffice excuse for why we are going into the summer of 2021 and their big plans for storm still haven't materialized? Her sole space should be managed by a solo book, not an xmen team book or appearances she makes in other titles including black panther. That responsibility lies with the xoffices and any excuse for why that hasn't happened other than the X-offices not greenlighting that project is a scapegoat.
3. Agreed and that comes from management. Her being used in black panther should not inhibit management's decision to support a solo title for her.
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[QUOTE=Tenebrae;5550022]Storms
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That sure is a pretty picture. Made me hit the drawing board.
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So with her being on the variant for sword do we think this is where she will end up?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5550411]So with her being on the variant for sword do we think this is where she will end up?[/QUOTE]
it seems that this is where things are going, she already has two variants for S.W.O.R.D, it would be strange if she didn't appear in the book.
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[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5550447]it seems that this is where things are going, she already has two variants for S.W.O.R.D, it would be strange if she didn't appear in the book.[/QUOTE]
if she doesn't get a solo beung written by al would be the next best thing for me. I forgot about the other variants too thanks.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5550213]1. We agree there. Storm should be and can appear in multiple titles while being allowed her own space. As I've said if Wolverine can manage it why not Storm? Being featured in black panther won't inhibit her from carrying a solo book. What truly inhibits her having her own space are tthe xoffices.
2. Those questions again were to demonstrate what creators can do with a character if they are interested in doing so. BP creators have managed to give her more development than her home office because they genuinely are invested in the character. What is the xoffice excuse for why we are going into the summer of 2021 and their big plans for storm still haven't materialized? Her sole space should be managed by a solo book, not an xmen team book or appearances she makes in other titles including black panther. That responsibility lies with the xoffices and any excuse for why that hasn't happened other than the X-offices not greenlighting that project is a scapegoat.
3. Agreed and that comes from management. Her being used in black panther should not inhibit management's decision to support a solo title for her.[/QUOTE]
I think this is why I'm not understanding this discussion. My point was never about writers creating development for a character. I was only commenting on how the current structure does not fully support Storm in the way that it should regardless of who is writing her and how that creates issues in handling the two powerhouse characters with the care they should receive. My answer to your first question about Coates, and my recognition for his work clearly shows that I believe writers CAN write her well and all other things pertaining to her. But that isn't my issue nor what I was discussing that from the start.
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[QUOTE=Tenebrae;5550022]Storms
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[url]https://twitter.com/rdauterman/status/1395748258702499841/photo/1[/url][/QUOTE]
I love this too. My only issue is that it's the same pose and expression over and over again lol. But that's nitpicking, I do love it.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5550456]if she doesn't get a solo beung written by al would be the next best thing for me. I forgot about the other variants too thanks.[/QUOTE]
Fingers seem to point to Ewing bringing her to space, but at the same time I’m still wondering what that unannounced Hickman book is? It’s timed perfectly so that we won’t get spoiled on the Storm reveal during the Gala, which is pretty much the only thing left secret about that event.
I also can’t decide which one I’d prefer. I love SWORD, but it’s already a very full book. Ultimately, I’d trust Ewing with Storm and would probably enjoy him writing her more than Hickman, BUT if Storm is the star of the new Hickman book then she’d really be at the center of the entire X-line (a spot she definitely deserves).
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5550456]if she doesn't get a solo beung written by al would be the next best thing for me. I forgot about the other variants too thanks.[/QUOTE]
what if we receive both? the big plans would start at planet size, then continue on 1 or 2 issues of S.W.O.R.D and then her solo would be announced. There is still a book by Hickmann that is in secret.
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[QUOTE=Sdawg;5550609]I think this is why I'm not understanding this discussion. My point was never about writers creating development for a character. I was only commenting on how the current structure does not fully support Storm in the way that it should regardless of who is writing her and how that creates issues in handling the two powerhouse characters with the care they should receive. My answer to your first question about Coates, and my recognition for his work clearly shows that I believe writers CAN write her well and all other things pertaining to her. But that isn't my issue nor what I was discussing that from the start.[/QUOTE]
I thought your initial point was that you didn't necessarily like her paired with tchalla because both are two big to where both characters can be written were both are handled respectfully. my counter to that is that her connection to him doesn't impede that in any way. my point was that is an excuse that distracts from the real reason she isn't getting the proper treatment is due to the xoffice vision for her.
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I never said anything of the sort. I've consistently made the same point.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5545439]All of the new Storm news looks amazing. I will weigh in a bit on BP/Storm. I'm not a fan of the couple but it's not because I have a problem with them being together, it's more because of how it has played out and the lack of ability Marvel seems to have with taking care of both characters. The true issue in this relationship for me is that Storm and BP are both ICONIC characters and should be treated as such. Neither one deserves to only be a footnote/supporting character for the other. Black Panther has his own book and is an important hero throughout the Marvel Universe lore, so he's at least getting the respect he deserves. (This is why I think some fans are upset about Storm infiltrating his books and taking some of his shine away) Storm on the other hand has not. In the Claremont days yes she was, but since then she's been shitted on consistently (yes X Office I'm looking at you). While BP has definitely done wonders for her as a character and uplifting her recent importance, the biggest issue I have is that despite all of it's uplift, Storm would still be second fiddle to BP in his book and still doesn't have a book where the focus is on her in the X Books. That would be equivalent to Wonder Woman not having her own book but only being featured in JL or Superman as his love interest. While this could work for most characters, it just doesn't work for ICONIC and LABEL DEFINING characters like Wonder Woman and Storm. This is why Captain Marvel having a solo feels so odd when you have a woman who truly eclipses her in value fighting for attention in everyone else's book. And honestly, the more she is propped up in BP's book the more tied to his book she becomes which will either diminish her status or cloud BP's. Instead, if Storm had her own Solo, maybe even a joint book with BP, a role in the XMen, and casually featured in BP as his love interest, then I would feel like all of this goddess making, omnipotent power and MU wide importance stuff would make sense. Right now, it feels like a lot of lip service, and even though I appreciate all of the new feats, I just think once she gets her own book and it's fully supported and she has her place, the rest will fall in line and make sense. So that is my biggest issue.
On the other hand, while I do have a few complaints, much credit has to be given to Coates for her current rise to prominence. He definitely laid the foundation for that, even if it may include some devices that some of us don't agree with.[/QUOTE]
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Personally Storm and Black Panther never did much for me together at least the ways it has been done in the past.....as a black male black love is a beautiful thing and a rare thing to see in comics but it has to fit and I just didn't feel them together not sure if it felt forced or what it just didn't click for me.....Never really liked Storm hooking up with fellow X-Men either a la Wolverine although I thought Forge written better perhaps had potential but it was never truly realized.
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I do so enjoy the cloud hair. [IMG]https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b3a2d9ef-486c-4506-b899-dea303e66635/dek2fux-a61e2b30-d18a-4dc3-a124-1c5b79d69986.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2IzYTJkOWVmLTQ4NmMtNDUwNi1iODk5LWRlYTMwM2U2NjYzNVwvZGVrMmZ1eC1hNjFlMmIzMC1kMThhLTRkYzMtYTEyNC0xYzViNzlkNjk5ODYuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.X4n-DN38D3hrcVD5QQC6OxeAfDNOsS5sK0Avkh7JJUc[/IMG]
Hopefully we get some news soon.
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[QUOTE=Sdawg;5550701]I never said anything of the sort. I've consistently made the same point.
All of the new Storm news looks amazing. I will weigh in a bit on BP/Storm. I'm not a fan of the couple but it's not because I have a problem with them being together, it's more [b]because of how it has played out and the lack of ability Marvel seems to have with taking care of both characters. The true issue in this relationship for me is that Storm and BP are both ICONIC characters and should be treated as such.[/b]
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Thats exactly what I said "both are too (not two) big to where both characters can be written were both are handled respectfully."
Am I missing something? lol
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5550656]Fingers seem to point to Ewing bringing her to space, but at the same time I’m still wondering what that unannounced Hickman book is? It’s timed perfectly so that we won’t get spoiled on the Storm reveal during the Gala, which is pretty much the only thing left secret about that event.
I also can’t decide which one I’d prefer. I love SWORD, but it’s already a very full book. Ultimately, I’d trust Ewing with Storm and would probably enjoy him writing her more than Hickman, BUT if Storm is the star of the new Hickman book then she’d really be at the center of the entire X-line (a spot she definitely deserves).[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I'm very conflicted on this myself. I need all of this secrecy around this to finally be revealed. heck they revealed who the fan voted member was going to be lol.
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[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5550661]what if we receive both? the big plans would start at planet size, then continue on 1 or 2 issues of S.W.O.R.D and then her solo would be announced. There is still a book by Hickmann that is in secret.[/QUOTE]
I would be fine with both. Wolverine has a solo and is regular in xfactor so that would work.
[QUOTE=cam18;5550722]Personally Storm and Black Panther never did much for me together at least the ways it has been done in the past.....as a black male black love is a beautiful thing and a rare thing to see in comics but it has to fit and I just didn't feel them together not sure if it felt forced or what it just didn't click for me.....Never really liked Storm hooking up with fellow X-Men either a la Wolverine although I thought Forge written better perhaps had potential but it was never truly realized.[/QUOTE]
why did you think her and forge had potential?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5550770]Thats exactly what I said "both are too (not two) big to where both characters can be written were both are handled respectfully."
Am I missing something? lol
Agreed. I'm very conflicted on this myself. I need all of this secrecy around this to finally be revealed. heck they revealed who the fan voted member was going to be lol.
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Yes you are. I'm not talking about writing lol! And you keep making it about that lol.
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I wonder if she will still be a council member after she returns from space. That's if the council is even still around. Have they even brought in replacement yet?
Storm in Xbooks
Storm in BP
And maybe a solo.
That's almost three time the Storm a month with just one week to recover. I'd be down for it.
Now if she could be on another team outside the Xmen. So it Storm all week every week.
As for the Storm and Black Panther relationship.
I would also be fine if Storm just appear in the Xbooks and Tchalla in BP.while still in a relationship. And get to be seen or shown together on a Team. Like an Avengers team or something.
I think a team with the two of them leading would be great. Heck not even leading, just the heavy lifters would be fine.
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[QUOTE=Sdawg;5550804]Yes you are. I'm not talking about writing lol! And you keep making it about that lol.[/QUOTE]
I know you are talking about solo books and a push where she operates in her own space. I'm saying she can have that while still being written in a bp book. her being in a relationship doesn't stop that effort, the powers that be in the xoffices however would.
