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Storm appears in Champions Outlaw #4. Nice surprise. [spoil] storm creates a mini water sprout.[/spoil]
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I don't think so . It looked more to me that Attuma was just countering Iceman's attack.
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Storm appears in Champions Outlaw #4. Nice surprise. [spoil] storm creates a mini water sprout.[/spoil]
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I don't think so . It looked more to me that Attuma was just countering Iceman's attack.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5384166]I don't think so . It looked more to me that Attuma was just countering Iceman's attack.[/QUOTE]
I actually thought it was what jwats said but looking at it again I could see what you mean.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5383858]This for some reason makes me feel like it wasn't a coloring mistake that one of those grand daughters all of a sudden looked like baby pink storm riding a space whale.
Also could they be de gaiaing thor so he can connect with another prodigy of gaia.
Storm appears in Champions Outlaw #4. Nice surprise. [spoil] storm creates a mini water sprout.[/spoil]
Storm is really on a giving mercy kick lately and letting them know they lucky. lol
[b]after KIB 4 anyone trying to take Storm godhood away can miss me. Every white child in the MU can be god level but not one black female. Naw B.[/b][/QUOTE]
now you see what we been saying hun bun but this all of this you are 100% correct.
As with Jean in the very same KiB issue...as an OLM she is pretty much God-tier (when she pushes/is pushed beyond her boundaries) just without the pretentious "Goddess" moniker attached to her name.
So we ok with eddie brock, his son, thor, jane, being pretenious
: characterized by pretension: such as
a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing) the pretentious fraud who assumes a love of culture that is alien to him— Richard Watts
b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature pretentious language pretentious houses
2 : making demands on one's skill, ability, or means : ambitious the pretentious daring of the Green Mountain Boys in crossing the lake — Amer. Guide Series: Vt.
but it's to ambitious for Storm. Well ok.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5384503]So we ok with eddie brock, his son, thor, jane, being pretenious
: characterized by pretension: such as
a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing) the pretentious fraud who assumes a love of culture that is alien to him— Richard Watts
b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature pretentious language pretentious houses
2 : making demands on one's skill, ability, or means : ambitious the pretentious daring of the Green Mountain Boys in crossing the lake — Amer. Guide Series: Vt.
but it's to ambitious for Storm. Well ok.[/QUOTE]
I very much appreciate your contributions as of late. they have been hitting all the right notes. that said I 100% agree with the pont you are making.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5384536]I very much appreciate your contributions as of late. they have been hitting all the right notes. that said I 100% agree with the pont you are making.[/QUOTE]
Even if we throw away all the current history, if Mavel, which it has said many times, god's or powerful people who are worship as gods and transcends. Storm is an omega level mutant as stated and unlike a lot of the supposed actual gods running around the MU was directly worshipped as one by quite a sizeable group of people and remain so to this. So why would her moniker somehow be pretentious but it's not for say a boy like franklin Richards who is also a mutant or Eddie Brock son who simply just being gifted power. Something in the koolaid don't feel right to me and sometimes i feel if we as fans tie her goddess hood too close to wakanda when all her potential was already there, there will be a segement of people who try to strip it away and act like that is the only reason it was there in the first place.
Storm doesn't need to be pretentious, and there is nothing pretentious about a title of a character who has actual receipts.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384582]Even if we throw away all the current history, if Mavel, which it has said many times, god's or powerful people who are worship as gods and transcends. Storm is an omega level mutant as stated and unlike a lot of the supposed actual gods running around the MU was directly worshipped as one by quite a sizeable group of people and remain so to this. So why would her moniker somehow be pretentious but it's not for say a boy like franklin Richards who is also a mutant or Eddie Brock son who simply just being gifted power. Something in the koolaid don't feel right to me and sometimes i feel if we as fans tie her goddess hood too close to wakanda when all her potential was already there, there will be a segement of people who try to strip it away and act like that is the only reason it was there in the first place.
Storm doesn't need to be pretentious, and there is nothing pretentious about a title of a character who has actual receipts.[/QUOTE]
I 100% agree. I don't know if you recall the history but storm fans were called rabid for referring to her a goddess. well her fans were not call her a goddess out of thin air. there was precedence there which to your point was well defined very early on in her career, i.e., when she stepped onto the scene in giant size xmen.
I think the only thing Coates did was to keep people from saying she was pretentious because now its not up for debate, her godhead is not a "in name only" thing. its actual canon. However, yes I find it odd when the fandom are so accepting of characters being called gods without any history of it but give Ororo a hard time.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5383858]This for some reason makes me feel like it wasn't a coloring mistake that one of those grand daughters all of a sudden looked like baby pink storm riding a space whale.
Also could they be de gaiaing thor so he can connect with another prodigy of gaia.
Storm appears in Champions Outlaw #4. Nice surprise. [spoil] storm creates a mini water sprout.[/spoil]
Storm is really on a giving mercy kick lately and letting them know they lucky. lol
after KIB 4 anyone trying to take Storm godhood away can miss me. Every white child in the MU can be god level but not one black female. Naw B.[/QUOTE]
I did go through Champions Issue 3, 4 and 5, also latest one but didn't see Ororo. Can you please post her appearance here?
[B][U]EDIT:[/U][/B] Nevermind, it seems like I was checking some kind of old issue from 2019, not 2020 one.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5384622]I did go through Champions Issue 3, 4 and 5, also latest one but didn't see Ororo. Can you please post her appearance here?[/QUOTE]
she really didn't do anything worth posting if you are looking for feats. all she did was fly around and shoot some flimsy looking lightning.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5384606]I 100% agree. I don't know if you recall the history but storm fans were called rabid for referring to her a goddess. well her fans were not call her a goddess out of thin air. there was precedence there which to your point was well defined very early on in her career, i.e., when she stepped onto the scene in giant size xmen.
I think the only thing Coates did was to keep people from saying she was pretentious because now its not up for debate, her godhead is not a "in name only" thing. its actual canon. However, yes I find it odd when the fandom are so accepting of characters being called gods without any history of it but give Ororo a hard time.[/QUOTE]
I mean they got a dang frog in thor putting up a better fight than thor himself but somehow ororo too much. 🤣🤣😭😭😂
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384647]I mean they got a dang frog in thor putting up a better fight than thor himself but somehow ororo too much. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, saw that. It was funny how Thorg did far better against Donald (was it?) than Thor. Really funny.
Thor, Eddie, Jane don't go about shouting: "I am a God!/Goddess!" People recognise them for what they are...God-like beings, and refer to and may acknowledge them as such but...they usually don't refer to themselves in such lofty terms.
Either way...the point clearly being missed:
Storm and Jean have clearly shown they can up against self-proclaimed (ie pretentious) Gods just by tapping into their Omega-level-ness.
I think other people miss the point. You have to keep screaming out you a boss when unfair practices and standards try to keep you from sitting at the table. It's pretentious when Storm calls herself a goddess but the Asgardian Alien can call himself God of Thunder, All father and all these other names all he wants.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384647]I mean they got a dang frog in thor putting up a better fight than thor himself but somehow ororo too much. ����������[/QUOTE]
wait a minute. wth??? you lying right ? not a frog? is it's mother the Phoenix force too lol
also Ororo and Jean are not in the same category. no disrespect to those who love her but Ororo is a real god who has real divinity which is completely separate from her being an omega mutant.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5384690]wait a minute. wth??? you lying right ? not a frog? is it's mother the Phoenix force too lol[/QUOTE]
A frog yo. It was wow. Like i really felt bad for thor today.
Oh and just to add to the Storm thing, remember as said many times Storm was a little girl, the people made her a goddess, she didn't need to do anything but make it rain.
That was before they and she knew what a mutant was. Storm herself will tell you that in those early days being the Wind Rider and helping the Kenyan peoples, she wasn't in truth, a Goddess. Only perceived as such.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384699]A frog yo. It was wow. Like i really felt bad for thor today.
Oh and just to add to the Storm thing, remember as said many times Storm was a little girl, the people made her a goddess, she didn't need to do anything but make it rain.[/QUOTE]
lolol im going to have to check that. he defeated Galactus only to get chomped by a frog lol.
the unfortunate thing with prior established statements about her time in Kenya later efforts were made to subvert that message. for example her solo made the point that she was a silly girl and the villagers knew she was not a goddess.
what I find so odd is this new discussion around the gift of godhead. everyone wants to be their faves to somehow be a "god" but the one where the moniker has been in use since 1975 when she debuted is somehow pretentious???
make it make sense please.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5384710]That was before they and she knew what a mutant was. Storm herself will tell you that in those early days being the Wind Rider and helping the Kenyan peoples, she wasn't in truth, a Goddess. Only perceived as such.[/QUOTE]
And by marvel canon that makes her a god regardless. A being with base powers that have an undefinable upper limit being worshiped as a god by followers. So there ya go.
Storm when she ain't concerned for humanity actually said the opposite of not being a goddess:
[img]http://comicsbulletin.com/main/sites/default/files/shot/images/1305/uncanny_x_men_147_rogue_storm.jpg[/img]
no pretentious talk there..
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5384719]lolol im going to have to check that. he defeated Galactus only to get chomped by a frog lol.
the unfortunate thing with prior established statements about her time in Kenya later efforts were made to subvert that message. for example her solo made the point that she was a silly girl and the villagers knew she was not a goddess.
what I find so odd is this new discussion around the gift of godhead. everyone wants to be their faves to somehow be a "god" but the one where the moniker has been in use since 1975 when she debuted is somehow pretentious???
make it make sense please.[/QUOTE]
but either way those are still stories told form the point of characters meaning nothing definitive has been presented to oppose her status and if we go by marvel's own standard on what created gods then she would be one as she has had actual followers for almost a decade no less that worshipped her.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5384710]That was before they and she knew what a mutant was. Storm herself will tell you that in those early days being the Wind Rider and helping the Kenyan peoples, she wasn't in truth, a Goddess. Only perceived as such.[/QUOTE]
Hey ya'll. :)
This is true. Neither the people nor storm knew anything of the word "mutant". Anyone who can control the weather and helping out the Kenyan Peoples with their droughts would indeed have been thought/worshipped as a goddess, even though not so. But that does not make Ororo any less of a nice person! She always uses her powers to help people.
I used to think Storm was one of the biggest fraud in the MU but the goddess revelation in BP helped legitimize her
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5384730]Hey ya'll. :)
This is true. Neither the people nor storm knew anything of the word "mutant". Anyone who can control the weather and helping out the Kenyan Peoples with their droughts would indeed have been thought/worshipped as a goddess, even though not so. But that does not make Ororo any less of a nice person! She always uses her powers to help people.[/QUOTE]
And the story of ororo's line predates most stuff in marvel history including the concept of mutant with the white haired, blued eyes priestesses that were blessed by osthur being first. But no one is going to change anyone's mind and i feel like i'm getting trapped in a loop i'm hoping out now. lol
[QUOTE=Havok83;5384733]I used to think Storm was one of the biggest fraud in the MU but the goddess revelation in BP helped legitimize her[/QUOTE]
absolutely. what occurred in BP shut down any argument regarding the legitimacy of her gift of godhead.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384735]And the story of ororo's line predates most stuff in marvel history including the concept of mutant with the white haired, blued eyes priestesses that were blessed by osthur being first. But no one is going to change anyone's mind and i feel like i'm getting trapped in a loop i'm hoping out now. lol[/QUOTE]
Yes, I know her history, but did the other women with white hair and blue eyes in Ororo's line control the weather? I thought only Ororo did that? I thought her lineage was seen as more priestesses. Did any of her line have goddess status or abilities?
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5384745]Yes, I know her history, but did the other women with white hair and blue eyes in Ororo's line control the weather? I thought only Ororo did that? I thought her lineage was seen as more priestesses. Did any of her line have goddess status or abilities?[/QUOTE]
I think in Dickey's now retconned story it established that the women did control the weather. but as I said that story was retconned so i don't think so outside of this
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5384745]Yes, I know her history, but did the other women with white hair and blue eyes in Ororo's line control the weather? I thought only Ororo did that? I thought her lineage was seen as more priestesses. Did any of her line have goddess status or abilities?[/QUOTE]
Just Ashake...who was a sorceress taught by the Gods. But she herself never referred to herself as a "Goddess".
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[img]https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/marvelxdefjam-storm.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Not happy about that, not even a bit.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5384668]Thor, Eddie, Jane don't go about shouting: "I am a God!/Goddess!" People recognise them for what they are...God-like beings, and refer to and may acknowledge them as such but...they usually don't refer to themselves in such lofty terms.
Either way...the point clearly being missed:
Storm and Jean have clearly shown they can up against self-proclaimed (ie pretentious) Gods just by tapping into their Omega-level-ness.[/QUOTE]
I think that Storm's godhead is pretty solid by now, no one can oppose it. Unless some author comes and suddenly claimed that she is not as RedJack plans to do if he gets Storm's solo. One of the reasons why I honestly hope he will never get that chance unless he accepts her Godhood and decides to expand on her African Roots. I do like his take on the African side but turning her back to only an OLM, nope. Not gonna to like that. People fought for her godhood for decades now and if suddenly one author comes and claims that it is not so, you can imagine the enormous backlash that he will receive and how many fans will be completely enraged with him and blinded by hatred which will cause them to not notice his story at all.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5384710]That was before they and she knew what a mutant was. Storm herself will tell you that in those early days being the Wind Rider and helping the Kenyan peoples, she wasn't in truth, a Goddess. Only perceived as such.[/QUOTE]
She did admit that already on panel, but now she knows who she is and she knows that she is a real Goddess, one of the reasons why her eyes are set to the cosmo. I hope we do get her to ascend to true godhood form, DNA wise as well. I do want to see those stats buffed to maximum she is a Goddess after all and she deserves it.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5384690]wait a minute. wth??? you lying right ? not a frog? is it's mother the Phoenix force too lol[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5384719]lolol im going to have to check that. he defeated Galactus only to get chomped by a frog lol.[/QUOTE]
Indeed it was quite an awesome issue, I still can't believe that Thorg put Thor to his little frog finger, I've never imagined that this little frog will be so powerful my self. I honestly LOVED it. I just loved how the author showed how much more powerful Thorg is than Thor. :D
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5384690] also Ororo and Jean are not in the same category. no disrespect to those who love her but Ororo is a real god who has real divinity which is completely separate from her being an omega mutant.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384699]Oh and just to add to the Storm thing, remember as said many times Storm was a little girl, the people made her a goddess, she didn't need to do anything but make it rain.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5384719]
the unfortunate thing with prior established statements about her time in Kenya later efforts were made to subvert that message. for example her solo made the point that she was a silly girl and the villagers knew she was not a goddess.
what I find so odd is this new discussion around the gift of godhead. everyone wants to be their faves to somehow be a "god" but the one where the moniker has been in use since 1975 when she debuted is somehow pretentious???
make it make sense please.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384729]but either way those are still stories told form the point of characters meaning nothing definitive has been presented to oppose her status and if we go by marvel's own standard on what created gods then she would be one as she has had actual followers for almost a decade no less that worshipped her.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Havok83;5384733]I used to think Storm was one of the biggest fraud in the MU but the goddess revelation in BP helped legitimize her[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384735]And the story of ororo's line predates most stuff in marvel history including the concept of mutant with the white haired, blued eyes priestesses that were blessed by osthur being first. But no one is going to change anyone's mind and i feel like i'm getting trapped in a loop i'm hoping out now. lol[/QUOTE]
Totally agree with everyone here. I had my doubts (very small but still had them) for her godhood but that retconned it back, and they later on certificated in the main X-Men issues. Therefore, she became a real Goddesses.
I do agree with you on other people trying to make their favourites Gods, as well. Jean and Ororo they are completely different, yes they are both OLM, but Ororo is a true Goddess, Jean not really. She is quite a powerful OLM, I do agree with that. She was fierce and fearsome in the KiB #4, I loved her appearance and loved to see her proof over and over again that she is an OL telepath but alas, she is not a Goddess, nothing like our Storm.
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5384745]Yes, I know her history, but did the other women with white hair and blue eyes in Ororo's line control the weather? I thought only Ororo did that? I thought her lineage was seen as more priestesses. Did any of her line have goddess status or abilities?[/QUOTE]
Her ancestors could wield magic (probably divine one) but none of them was capable of weather manipulation like Storm, this is unique only to Storm. [B][U]HOWEVER[/U][/B], this might change. We are yet to learn more about her ancestors, I would really like a story on Ororo's bloodline that dates all the way back to when Oshtur blessed them. I would like to see, why Oshtur blessed, what her blessing was exactly and how that black hair and brown eyes of theirs (probably) change into white and blue.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5384787]Not happy about that, not even a bit.
I think that Storm's godhead is pretty solid by now, no one can oppose it. Unless some author comes and suddenly claimed that she is not as RogieJack plans to do if he gets Storm's solo. One of the reasons why I honestly hope he will never get that chance unless he accepts her Godhood and decides to expand on her African Roots. I do like his take on the African side but turning her back to only an OLM, nope. Not gonna to like that. People fought for her godhood for decades now and if suddenly one author comes and claims that it is not so, you can imagine the enormous backlash that he will receive and how many fans will be completely enraged with him and blinded by hatred which will cause them to not notice his story at all.
She did admitted that already on panel, but now she knows who she is and she knows that she is a real Goddess, one of the reasons why her eyes are set to the cosmo. I hope we do get her ascend to true godhood form, DNA wise as well. I do want see those stats buffed to maximum she i
Indeed it was quite awesome issue, I can't imagine Thorg putting Thor to his little finger, never imagined that that little frog will be so powerful my self. I honestly LOVED it. I just loved how the author showed how much more powerful Thorg is than Thor. :D
Totally agree with everyone here. I had my doubts (very small but still had them) for her godhood but that retcon and they later on certificated in the main X-Men issues. Therefore, she became a real Goddesses.
I do agree with you on other people trying to make their favourites Gods, as well. Jean and Ororo they are completely different, yes they are both OLM, but Ororo is a true Goddess, Jean not really. She is quite a powerful OLM, I do agree with that. She was fierce and fearsome in the KiB #4, I loved her appearance and loved to see her proof over and over again that she is an OL telepath but alas, she is not a Goddess, nothing like our Storm.
Her ancestors could wield magic (probably divine one) but none of them was capable of weather manipulation like Storm, this is unique only to Storm. [B][U]HOWEVER[/U][/B], this might change. We are yet to learn more about her ancestors, I would really like a story on Ororo's bloodline that dates all the way back to when Oshtur blessed them. I would like to see, why Oshtur blessed, what her blessing was exactly and how that black hair and brown eyes of theirs (probably) change into white and blue.[/QUOTE]
I will give credit where it is due on that, it has been cemented more and more as fact since Coates went there in BP though i still have a problem with based on all the history it took that long but it is what it is. Hickman called her a goddess in Giant Size, she has been callled a Goddess in fearless, in King in black, at this point it's just people wanting to take things away from the goddess but i can't get upset over that, that is life, especially for a black woman. So here is to May and seeing what space holds.
Heck Duggan wrote a whole data page on the power that was radiating off her and it wasn't her mutant power. We good at this point. lol
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384801]I will give credit where it is due on that, it has been cemented more and more as fact since Coates went there in BP though i still have a problem with based on all the history it took that long but it is what it is. Hickman called her a goddess in Giant Size, she has been callled a Goddess in fearless, in King in black, at this point it's just people wanting to take things away from the goddess but i can't get upset over that, that is life, especially for a black woman. So here is to May and seeing what space holds.
Heck Duggan wrote a whole data page on the power that was radiating off her and it wasn't her mutant power. We good at this point. lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there is a lot of hate on Storm and I am not even sure, why? Is it because she is black? Come on, does skin colour really matters that much? I mean we have plenty of black people here and no one bothers them. Yes, we are shocked when we see them it is not common, but we've never disrespected (putting aside most or some of the gipsies, since they did quite a bit questionable things) but true black people, like African ones and even Indians and others, we've never disrespected them. Yes, we see them as something exotic, but all of them seem quite good people, honestly. At least this is the vibe what I am getting from them and I would definitely be up for talking with them and learning more about them if this coronavirus wasn't interfering right now.
At this point, people just keep hating on Storm because she is growing more powerful with every passing moment and she is pretty much one of the centric figures right now in the entire X-Men run since Hickman took over, I am not even sure why people dislike her that much? I mean she has proven herself, over and over again, that she is considerable with others who are not Gods like herself and she never overpowered someone without a very good reason (usually baddies) with her divine capabilities.
At this point, I feel like the fans of the other Gods, like Thor and Odin are the main ones who dislike her and I don't even know why. Thor is still more powerful than her, are they afraid that she will reach his capabilities? Probably, she is headed that way clearly and it is the first and only God, well Goddess really, in the X-Men franchise. I really don't see the problem with that. She can face other deities like the African ones, or the South American ones, and she will not even bother with all that Thor is bothered or Odin for that matter. Oh yeah, Odin is alive by the way!
I hope Storm finds a whole planet full of aliens to worship her when she travels through space, just to cement her goddess status even further. I'd love to see how people react to that!
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5384821]Yeah, there is a lot of hate on Storm and I am not even sure, why? Is it because she is black? Come on, does skin colour really matters that much? I mean we have plenty of black people here and no one bothers them. Yes, we are shocked when we see them it is not common, but we've never disrespected (putting aside most or some of the gipsies, since they did quite a bit questionable things) but true black people, like African ones and even Indians and others, we've never disrespected them. Yes, we see them as something exotic, but all of them seem quite good people, honestly. At least this is the vibe what I am getting from them and I would definitely be up for talking with them and learning more about them if this coronavirus wasn't interfering right now.
At this point, people just keep hating on Storm because she is growing more powerful with every passing moment and she is pretty much one of the centric figures right now in the entire X-Men run since Hickman took over, I am not even sure why people dislike her that much? I mean she has proven herself, over and over again, that she is considerable with others who are not Gods like herself and she never overpowered someone without a very good reason (usually baddies) with her divine capabilities.
At this point, I feel like the fans of the other Gods, like Thor and Odin are the main ones who dislike her and I don't even know why. Thor is still more powerful than her, are they afraid that she will reach his capabilities? Probably, she is headed that way clearly and it is the first and only God, well Goddess really, in the X-Men franchise. I really don't see the problem with that. She can face other deities like the African ones, or the South American ones, and she will not even bother with all that Thor is bothered or Odin for that matter. Oh yeah, Odin is alive by the way![/QUOTE]
As a black man in America, i can tell you, yes, race is that important to some people. Like how do you create a narrative the former slaves are the ones that are violent and lazy etc, when those are the very people who built the country. How do you want Colin Capernik to lose everything he owns for kneeling silently for wanting to live but then try to be understanding to people climbing a building just for not getting what they wanted and saying it's the same thing. Unfortunately though it shouldn't be it is that big in america and it's usually the people who perpetrate it that then try to turn around and act like the victims while we try to make them feel better about themselves.
I mean just look at the comics, currently there isn't a single god of color outside of wakanda and yet there is a problem with one black female being a goddess? That's too much? Why? Then they will make every rationale but the same don't apply to the other. So honestly i don't take too much of it to heart. Heck for that matter some of the same people who are like "well she's an omega" where the same ones tearing down everytihng about her being a potential omega until hickman spelled it out. Some things have no reason it's just the way people can be.
Even the latest issue of eternals presented the newest white kid on the block to be protected. And i don't say that with any inherent negativity but more an aww at the lack of imagination in so many.
And imo opinion black women get it the worst. Even most black popular male writers don't write a good black female in my opinion and they usually can only be as powerful as their men but never more.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384845]As a black man in America, i can tell you, yes, race is that important to some people. Like how do you create a narrative the former slaves are the ones that are violent and lazy etc, when those are the very people who built the country. How do you want Colin Capernik to lose everything he owns for kneeling silently for wanting to live but then try to be understanding to people climbing a building just for not getting what they wanted and saying it's the same thing. Unfortunately though it shouldn't be it is that big in america and it's usually the people who perpetrate it that then try to turn around and act like the victims while we try to make them feel better about themselves.
I mean just look at the comics, currently there isn't a single god of color outside of wakanda and yet there is a problem with one black female being a goddess? That's too much? Why? Then they will make every rationale but the same don't apply to the other. So honestly i don't take too much of it to heart. Heck for that matter some of the same people who are like "well she's an omega" where the same ones tearing down everytihng about her being a potential omega until hickman spelled it out. Some things have no reason it's just the way people can be.
Even the latest issue of eternals presented the newest white kid on the block to be protected. And i don't say that with any inherent negativity but more an aww at the lack of imagination in so many.
And imo opinion black women get it the worst. Even most black popular male writers don't write a good black female in my opinion and they usually can only be as powerful as their men but never more.[/QUOTE]
Well, I am quite certain that this is wrong on so many different levels. I do hope that the next President of the USA changes that. I know that the USA is not the perfect place to live for a black person, I've seen quite the shocking things, but we are getting good material for Storm right now. Let's enjoy it and let's hope it will keep going with the same power for the next few decades.
I don't know about that last part. Coates seem to handle her well. I liked the whole run in BP Intergalactic Empire, she got so many feats.
I mean just look at the movies. It feels like black people only get 4 types of movies and we aren't doing ourselves any favors by when we get a moment to create something we don't or play into the same tropes.
We are either gangster/musicans or in the hood somewhere trying to make it out.
A slave movie.
Over the top family comedy.
Or some dance movie.
Why?
I've never held a gun or lived in the hood so where the movies of us black goonie like kids.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384895]I mean just look at the movies. It feels like black people only get 4 types of movies and we aren't doing ourselves any favors by when we get a moment to create something we don't or play into the same tropes.
We are either gangster/musicans or in the hood somewhere trying to make it out.
A slave movie.
Over the top family comedy.
Or some dance movie.
Why?
I've never held a gun or lived in the hood so where the movies of us black goonie like kids.[/QUOTE]
This is not the only movies I've seen for black centric people. I've seen mystical ones with African magical powers, I've also seen leading Businessman who is a black man. There are all kinds of different movies for black people, yes they are much rarer than the ones you mentioned but they do exist out there.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5384909]This is not the only movies I've seen for black centric people. I've seen mystical ones with African magical powers, I've also seen leading Businessman who is a black man. There are all kinds of different movies for black people, yes they are much rarer than the ones you mentioned but they do exist out there.[/QUOTE]
i have seen a few recently on netflix that were pretty good. Those are mainly foreign films being produced but here just look at the list of blockbuster movies upcoming. Heck look at Disney Marvel own upcoming slate. But i have to say you are absoutely right there is content out there i thought Queen Sono was really good.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384801]I will give credit where it is due on that, it has been cemented more and more as fact since Coates went there in BP though i still have a problem with based on all the history it took that long but it is what it is. Hickman called her a goddess in Giant Size, she has been callled a Goddess in fearless, in King in black, at this point it's just people wanting to take things away from the goddess but i can't get upset over that, that is life, especially for a black woman. So here is to May and seeing what space holds.
Heck Duggan wrote a whole data page on the power that was radiating off her and it wasn't her mutant power. We good at this point. lol[/QUOTE]
what data page??
[QUOTE=jwatson;5384845]As a black man in America, i can tell you, yes, race is that important to some people. Like how do you create a narrative the former slaves are the ones that are violent and lazy etc, when those are the very people who built the country. How do you want Colin Capernik to lose everything he owns for kneeling silently for wanting to live but then try to be understanding to people climbing a building just for not getting what they wanted and saying it's the same thing. Unfortunately though it shouldn't be it is that big in america and it's usually the people who perpetrate it that then try to turn around and act like the victims while we try to make them feel better about themselves.
I mean just look at the comics, currently there isn't a single god of color outside of wakanda and yet there is a problem with one black female being a goddess? That's too much? Why? Then they will make every rationale but the same don't apply to the other. So honestly i don't take too much of it to heart. Heck for that matter some of the same people who are like "well she's an omega" where the same ones tearing down everytihng about her being a potential omega until hickman spelled it out. Some things have no reason it's just the way people can be.
Even the latest issue of eternals presented the newest white kid on the block to be protected. And i don't say that with any inherent negativity but more an aww at the lack of imagination in so many.
And imo opinion black women get it the worst. Even most black popular male writers don't write a good black female in my opinion and they usually can only be as powerful as their men but never more.[/QUOTE]
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