Ororo Munroe: Storm/Hadari Yao Appreciation 2021

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5656092]I'm kinda unclear on the discussion. Are we saying that storm thoughts are not speed of thought? I thought all thoughts simply occur at that speed based upon how it is defined canonically
a baseline human thoughts would move at the speed of light:


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It's Action Vs. Thought.

Storm doesn't posses the ability to process information at a superhuman level, especially not at light speed or greater. That has never been shown. She is not the Flash or Monica. Both of those characters can operate within a second.

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This is close as you can get to her having maybe enhanced speed....but even this is well below Lightspeed.

While Storm's abilities are fast. She has never flown to Dallas, then flew to Japan to electrocuted Mister Sinster,,then flew to California to stopped a hurricane, then flew back to Wakanda for tea in under a second.

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5656158]It's Action Vs. Thought.

Storm doesn't posses the ability to process information at a superhuman level, especially not at light speed or greater. That has never been shown. She is not the Flash or Monica. Both of those characters can operate within a second.

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This is close as you can get to her having maybe enhanced speed....but even this is well below Lightspeed.

While Storm's abilities are fast. She has never flown to Dallas, then flew to Japan to electrocuted Mister Sinster,,then flew to California to stopped a hurricane, then flew back to Wakanda for tea in under a second.[/QUOTE]

I agree I dont think she flies or moves at light speed. I do however think there is enough evidence that her powers activate at incredibly fast speeds.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5656250]I agree I dont think she flies or moves at light speed. I do however think there is enough evidence that her powers activate at incredibly fast speeds.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I agree with that. It's the whole she can respond/perceive something quicker then light. That has never been shown.

If she can perceive and control the movement of electrons, and ride a spear of lightning with effective precision, it may well be that she can [probably mostly subconsciously, as an instinct associated with her mutation] perceive, think, and act/react at or above lightspeed. The canon has been understated in this regard. That said, I think her galactic core feat displays it most directly. A galactic core can have a diameter 10's of lightyears, and yet Ororo was able to tap into and summon the energies of its millions of stars and planets instantly. That right there shows at some level she can operate at far beyond lightspeed. Spooky action at a distance for certain.

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5656307]If she can perceive and control the movement of electrons, and ride a spear of lightning with effective precision, it may well be that she can [probably mostly subconsciously, as an instinct associated with her mutation] perceive, think, and act/react at or above lightspeed. The canon has been understated in this regard. That said, I think her galactic core feat displays it most directly. A galactic core can have a diameter 10's of lightyears, and yet Ororo was able to tap into and summon the energies of its millions of stars and planets instantly. That right there shows at some level she can operate at far beyond lightspeed. Spooky action at a distance for certain.[/QUOTE]

That's why I said her powers might work in subspace. To summon that much energy from such a distance, so quickly, is crazy.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying she is able to perceive the speed of energy she summoning.

To me, she is connected to all the energy of the universe and can control it. (SORRY, showing my fanboy there.)

I like the idea of her being connected to the universe, I would agree with that. I also agree the canon could do more to explore these concepts.

I think all we can definitively say about galatic core is that she was connected to those energies which for me is more an instantaneous action:


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once that connection is established it would be just like moving a finger as those energies are a part of her.


however I think you make a good point about moving with good precision at lightning speed though I think we must keep in mind lightning doesn't quite move a light speed from what I recall.

we saw her connecting to energies on a cosmic scale again in black panther however here we saw it took quite a bit of concentration to do it:


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Lighting propagates at about 1/2 lightspeed, but that is factoring in air resistance which she could in theory actively mitigate. Even still, to aim and control her path she would have to be thinking ahead, so....

As far as the galactic core feat goes, even if she had already tapped it, summoning it and radiating the energy from lightyears worth of space still is far exceeding the speed of light(any bit of energy should take a decade to get to her, and yet she had it instantly).

That BP feat was more about her communing with each individual ship's artificial environment. I don't think it's relevant to what we're discussing. Obviously she doesn't operate at FTL speed on the regular because if she did there wouldn't be much of a story, but I think some of her feats suggest she [I]can[/I] operate at that level.

[quote=butterflykyss;5656022]the references to their first encounter in the sword issue was really nice!!


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[b]god is woman![/b]

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5656354]That BP feat was more about her communing with each individual ship's artificial environment. I don't think it's relevant to what we're discussing. Obviously she doesn't operate at FTL speed on the regular because if she did there wouldn't be much of a story, but I think some of her feats suggest she [I]can[/I] operate at that level.[/QUOTE]

It wasn't just the ship. she explicitly calls out microclimate that speak to the individual ship's environment at the very end but she starts off by saying she has to develop a rapport with so many energies which indicates all the energies within that space. that is the part that is similar or relevant to what she did with galatic core.

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5656351]Lighting propagates at about 1/2 lightspeed, but that is factoring in air resistance which she could in theory actively mitigate. Even still, to aim and control her path she would have to be thinking ahead, so....

As far as the galactic core feat goes, even if she had already tapped it, summoning it and radiating the energy from lightyears worth of space still is far exceeding the speed of light(any bit of energy should take a decade to get to her, and yet she had it instantly).[/QUOTE]


you could still argue that her to accommodate for the speeds at which lightning moves would still be less than light speed. I dont think frictional forces of air and removing it would put lightning at the speed of light. I could be wrong here but that doesn't sound likely.

[QUOTE=Stormy;5656379][b]god is woman![/b][/QUOTE]

she most certainly is! and her name is hadsri yao!

I know she broke the sound barrier but when has she flown at the speed of lightning?

I know she riden a lightning bolt to the edge of space but the exact speed was never giving.

I can go with it being lightning speed.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5655968]I found this scan a while back in xmen 105 on how fast the speed of thought is:



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personally I took this as evidence that her powers activate extremely fast as it has been characterized many times her powers activate in less than a conscious thought. however, this could be hyperbole. nevertheless how powers dont take time as some in world would like us to believe.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I remember you once posted this image here, which reinforces that Ororo's powers are much more complex than those of a telepath, as she is constantly connected with the elements.
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I could be wrong, but putting it all together, you can deduce that your powers are faster than telepaths (I know there's nothing confirmed, just a puzzle that has to be pieced together).

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5656080]If you like we can move this Monica conversation to her thread. No need to clog up Storms Appreciation thred.

[url]https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?145637-CM-Monica-Frank-and-Maria-quot-Photon-quot-Rambeau-Appreciation-2021/page28[/url][/QUOTE]

Of course, Monica is one of my favorite heroines, she deserved a solo comic.

Ororo may not fly at FTL speed, but the reaction his powers operate might be yes, it's all real research, and little moments like the one in Song of the Acantis and Galactic Core.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5656404]It wasn't just the ship. she explicitly calls out microclimate that speak to the individual ship's environment at the very end but she starts off by saying she has to develop a rapport with so many energies which indicates all the energies within that space. that is the part that is similar or relevant to what she did with galatic core.




you could still argue that her to accommodate for the speeds at which lightning moves would still be less than light speed. I dont think frictional forces of air and removing it would put lightning at the speed of light. I could be wrong here but that doesn't sound likely.[/QUOTE]

The 'microclimates' she's referring to are the ships' individual artificial atmospheres. She had to connect with and take over each of them. There are far fewer targets and far less distance involved here than compared to the galactic core feat. One could postulate it took a few minutes for her to do it in this case because they were unnatural.

And in regards to lightning and its speed, air resistance definitely plays a role in it because natural lightning essentially tunnels/burns through the air(making the individual steps and forked branches), and then once the connection is fully established (of ionized air), the full cascade of charge differential is released(maybe even a couple of times, producing a flickering bolt). The tunneling is what slows down the overall speed. Electromagnetic wave propagation is dependent on resistance. Its speed would vary in a vacuum, in a good conductor, in a bad conductor; for example.

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5656442]I know she broke the sound barrier but when has she flown at the speed of lightning?

I know she riden a lightning bolt to the edge of space but the exact speed was never giving.

I can go with it being lightning speed.[/QUOTE]

If she rode a lightning bolt then it's the speed of lightning????
Also the average speed of lightning according to new data I think from Harvard is mach 1000+. But Lightning has no definite speed it can go as low as mach 100 and reach some percent of light speed. It all depends on the power of the bolt.

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We do not talk about this scan enough. I'm not focused on her doing the galactic core. I'm talking about her energy durability. This woman was channeling and manipulating energy from millions of stars, planets, and more. Her body was still intact despite all the HEAT, GRAVITY, MASSIVE ENERGY, and more. Not to mention she turned into a literally Star not turned into dust and was unfazed by the harsh colds of space while severely weak.

It is impressive. That sort of durability should confer to her every day. That said, while she did endure that initial scenario unscathed, presumably afterwards her body did begin to deteriorate because she had to be regenerated inside of the Acanti. I always interpret this as a suicide attempt, for breaking her vow to never kill[she herself should perish]. She somehow deactivated her body's natural defenses and just let go.

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[QUOTE=KLY360;5656723]If she rode a lightning bolt then it's the speed of lightning????[/quote]

Actually no. That's like saying every time she rides wind, she moves at its max speed. Her powers allow her to adjust the speed she flies at. While we have some pics of her cracking the sound barrier (770 mph), while having a lightning trail behind her. We dont know if that was lightning speed or even her top speed. (One of the reason I miss caption description boxes:().

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Also the average speed of lightning according to new data I think from Harvard is mach 1000+. But Lightning has no definite speed it can go as low as mach 100 and reach some percent of light speed. It all depends on the power of the bolt.[/quote]

Yeah, I know. Thanks

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We do not talk about this scan enough. I'm not focused on her doing the galactic core. I'm talking about her energy durability. This woman was channeling and manipulating energy from millions of stars, planets, and more. Her body was still intact despite all the HEAT, GRAVITY, MASSIVE ENERGY, and more. Not to mention she turned into a literally Star not turned into dust and was unfazed by the harsh colds of space while severely weak.[/QUOTE]

Every time i read that, i think Storm is a cosmic being

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5657057]Actually no. That's like saying every time she rides wind, she moves at its max speed. Her powers allow her to adjust the speed she flies at. While we have some pics of her cracking the sound barrier (770 mph), while having a lightning trail behind her. We dont know if that was lightning speed or even her top speed. (One of the reason I miss caption description boxes:().


Lightning has no definite speed. Just because she was going the maximum speed doesn't mean anything. In fact, we don't know the maxed-out speed of lightning since it has reached even a percent of light speed. As I stated the average speed of lightning is mach 1000+. So the comparison to wind did no justice. Either way it's still Massively Hypersonic. There is no hypersonic level of speed for the lightning bolt. There is not transonic level of speed like winds for the lightning bolt.

Speaking of flight speed, I absolutely hate that "travel as fast as any wind can" nonsense they tried to tack on to her cause that made her seem like a slug lmao.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5656092]I'm kinda unclear on the discussion. Are we saying that storm thoughts are not speed of thought? I thought all thoughts simply occur at that speed based upon how it is defined canonically
a baseline human thoughts would move at the speed of light:


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Oh, and in X-treme, Storm was faster than Emma, ​​​​if you consider that Frost was already in Ororo's mind or about to enter, Storm had to act faster than her telepathy
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5656442][B]I know she broke the sound barrier but when has she flown at the speed of lightning?[/B]

I know she riden a lightning bolt to the edge of space but the exact speed was never giving.

I can go with it being lightning speed.[/QUOTE]

Good moments of her riding in the lightning, I only know these:
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What the effineffeffdoublepost?

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5656564]The 'microclimates' she's referring to are the ships' individual artificial atmospheres. She had to connect with and take over each of them. There are far fewer targets and far less distance involved here than compared to the galactic core feat. One could postulate it took a few minutes for her to do it in this case because they were unnatural.

And in regards to lightning and its speed, air resistance definitely plays a role in it because natural lightning essentially tunnels/burns through the air(making the individual steps and forked branches), and then once the connection is fully established (of ionized air), the full cascade of charge differential is released(maybe even a couple of times, producing a flickering bolt). The tunneling is what slows down the overall speed. Electromagnetic wave propagation is dependent on resistance. Its speed would vary in a vacuum, in a good conductor, in a bad conductor; for example.[/QUOTE]

1. I agree with you on your points made. it is not as vast for sure but I still believe the feats are similar.

2. I would take your word here as I don't know for sure but I thought I've read the accurate speed to measure light would be in a perfect vacuum which as you know simply doesn't exist on earth. all in all, I think it's fair to say her ability to process information would have to be fast considering her feats in the past even if went can't canonically quantify as being just as fast as the speed of light (though I think you and others make a good argument).

Claremont is the God of Hyperbole.
And while his "science" isn't always 100% factual or even plausible, and should be digested with more than a few grains of salt...It does make for engaging and highly imaginative storytelling.

[QUOTE=Stormy;5657253]Oh, and in X-treme, Storm was faster than Emma, ​​​​if you consider that Frost was already in Ororo's mind or about to enter, Storm had to act faster than her telepathy
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Good moments of her riding in the lightning, I only know these:
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I always love seeing storm put Emma in her place!!! hehe!

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5657257]Claremont is the God of Hyperbole. And while it's not always 100% factual or even plausible, and has to be digested with more than few grains of salt, it really does make for great and very imaginative story-telling.[/QUOTE]

You still haven't explained your logic as to why storm shouldn't have an increase in strength, durability and speed in her god mode.

[QUOTE=Rosa Snarks;5657238]Speaking of flight speed, I absolutely hate that "travel as fast as any wind can" nonsense they tried to tack on to her cause that made her seem like a slug lmao.[/QUOTE]

The wind is very fast and can go as high as the speed of sound. But if we are being honest in space of she rides she would be monstrously fast if she rides stellar win which can top 3 million kilometers per second
if she rides that in her current form she may die.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5657264]Claremont is the God of Hyperbole.
And while his "science" isn't always 100% factual or even plausible, and should be digested with more than a few grains of salt...It does make for engaging and highly imaginative storytelling.[/QUOTE]

He was the one writing Marvel Champions II, I feel he wanted to do something with Ororo when he said those words from the Acanti song, but anyway he left it at that.

On what day do the next editions of the Sword or Al Ewing event come out, Storm will be in everyone??
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5657318]On what day do the next editions of the Sword or Al Ewing event come out, Storm will be in everyone??
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I'm hearing the next one is end of September i believe

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5657347]I'm hearing the next one is end of September i believe[/QUOTE]

Why do comics take so long to come out?

I know it's a lot of work but at times like these you want to keep the audience grip

[QUOTE=KLY360;5657431]Why do comics take so long to come out?

I know it's a lot of work but at times like these you want to keep the audience grip[/QUOTE]

I know it makes me so sad. and its no guarantee that you gone get your character fix either when your fave is in a team book.

marvel I need a storm solo ongoing asap!

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5657435]I know it makes me so sad. and its no guarantee that you gone get your character fix either when your fave is in a team book.

[U][COLOR="#FF0000"]marvel I need a storm solo ongoing asap[/COLOR][/U]![/QUOTE]

I’ll take it bi-weekly please!

[QUOTE=Rosa Snarks;5657238]Speaking of flight speed, I absolutely hate that "travel as fast as any wind can" nonsense they tried to tack on to her cause that made her seem like a slug lmao.[/QUOTE]

I always assumed she could fly at least 700 mph...at least fast enough to outpace Classic Rogue.

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I love the discussion about Ororo's speed. Really cool how her powers can overlap with real life sciences.

[QUOTE=Su_Whisterfield;5657495]Present for the thread.
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Nice! I'm getting "Don't look at me, peasants" energy from her lol.

[QUOTE=Subliminally;5657527]I love the discussion about Ororo's speed. Really cool how her powers can overlap with real life sciences.[/QUOTE]

That's what I love about her powerset it is very steeped in science the mutation aspect at least. Yet since she is an omega she can basically break those laws making the impossible possible.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5657347]I'm hearing the next one is end of September i believe[/QUOTE]

Yep, on the 29th for crying out loud.

[QUOTE=Subliminally;5657527]I love the discussion about Ororo's speed. Really cool how her powers can overlap with real life sciences.[/QUOTE]

Personally, I would love to see her teleporting through the EM field of the planet.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5657347]I'm hearing the next one is end of September i believe[/QUOTE]

So no storm till then?! Well that would suck.

[QUOTE=Subliminally;5657530]Nice! I'm getting "Don't look at me, peasants" energy from her lol.[/QUOTE]

Goddess. [COLOR="#FFFFFF"]hhhhhh[/COLOR]