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[QUOTE=jwatson;5651339]I think of it more as a default. Like in coates run Storm said what she knows of gods belief makes them stronger so i think of it more as a back of your brain thought than an active one. Like if a million people somewhere saw storm do something and in the back of their mind they thought "she must be a god." even if they aren't actively thinking it she is empowered by it and can call on her power herself like in the Shuri story where she had no one actively believing in her but her goddess self came out to destroy the fungi.[/QUOTE]
Ahh. I didn't read that Shuri story and completely forgot about its existence.
This I think is more plausible. From the perspective that it took the Wakanda/Adversary situation to "awaken" the God-head within and bring it to the surface but now that it's fully alive within her...it's there to access as needed.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5651460]Ahh. I didn't read that Shuri story and completely forgot about its existence.
This I think is more plausible. From the perspective that it took the Wakanda/Adversary situation to "awaken" the God-head within and bring it to the surface but now that it's fully alive within her...it's there to access as needed.[/QUOTE]
Exactly how i see it. Otherwise all marvel gods based on their system would need continual prayer, including thor. Once you've ascended you've done just that. But i think Storm is the first goddess or god to ascend from a mortal coil without dying first.
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if im.being fair and unbiased i still don't understand how her godhead powers work and what exactly in her is tied to the divine. this wasn't explained by Coates and crew. though I imagine he wanted to do more on this in his solo he wanted for storm and we've speculated as to where it all stems from it would be nice to see Ewing explore this .
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5651474]if im.being fair and unbiased i still don't understand how her godhead powers work and what exactly in her is tied to the divine. we've specialized but it would be nice to see Ewing explore this .[/QUOTE]
Honestly in some ways all gods seem like mutants to me in most universes and companies because if i think about it what exactly is suppose to make them gods. It's obviously not their direct power like Posideon of the Sea or Zeus with weather. Those seem to be inherent abilities which make it unique to them so when i think of gods i don't think of anything spectacular in comics i think of universal traits which are just untold strength, untold length of life, untold durability, just basic traits. Which i will say coates story connected with me on, powerful individuals people believe in but then no one is above Jehovah so at the end of the day i don't even think of them at that level ever.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5651480]Honestly in some ways all gods seem like mutants to me in most universes and companies because if i think about it what exactly is suppose to make them gods. It's obviously not their direct power like Posideon of the Sea or Zeus with weather. Those seem to be inherent abilities which make it unique to them so when i think of gods i don't think of anything spectacular in comics i think of universal traits with are just untold strength, untold length of life, untold durability, just basic traits.[/QUOTE]
the best way I can distinguish between a gods powers and a mutants or other super powered person ability is spiritual versus physical . what I mean by this is that God powers can impact obviously the spiritual eleme to as well as those grounded in science (physical) but the same is not true of physical based powers. adversary mentioned this difference when he first encountered the xmen:
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/w7xLIwffGeyjXsmfE5ynB1Pj0Lh8e9dO32dDtqMTr_MPI8anTUK_VFN8Vylts4WR9nfC4Ptm73pt=s1600[/img]
this is why though super heroes like magneto may have god like abilities they are not actual true gods as their powers are not spiritual based. the other attributes you mentioned i would agree with a distinguishing trait.
I must say I simply loved how Coates was able to complete the circuit with adversary so many years later. forge mentioned he feared them both and though it became clear why he was afraid of forge it didn't quite make sense with storm:
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we then through Coates witnessed why he was afraid. she was a bigger god:
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thats a talent writer indeed!
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5651492]the best way I can distinguish between a gods powers and a mutants or other super powered person ability is spiritual versus physical . what I mean by this is that God powers can impact obviously the spiritual eleme to as well as those grounded in science (physical) but the same is not true of physical based powers. adversary mentioned this difference when he first encountered the xmen:
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/w7xLIwffGeyjXsmfE5ynB1Pj0Lh8e9dO32dDtqMTr_MPI8anTUK_VFN8Vylts4WR9nfC4Ptm73pt=s1600[/img]
this is why though super heroes like magneto may have god like abilities they are not actual true gods as their powers are not spiritual based. the other attributes you mentioned i would agree with a distinguishing trait.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. I see it more like if someone has faith in you that you can do anything and enough people had that faith that you become a god then your abilities can effect anything because that is what they believe in and that what is what empowered them to godhood. Lik you may believe spiderman can stop a robbery but how many people think spiderman can stop an alien armada let alone mythical gods, but ig enough people did actually believe it (unlikely) spiderman might materialize the strength to do it.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5651413]
how do you see her using her powers more on a cosmic or astronomical level?[/QUOTE]
Oh easy storm is an egro atmokinetic she manipulates energy and forces behind weather phenomena at the universal level. She is very powerful in space because in space there is no true limit to the amount of elements. It has been discovered by scientist that the core of galaxies all have supermassive blackholes and that these black holes spit out energy and matter at the speed of light. This energy and matter is pushed into the inter galactic medium and then it leads to increase in nebula and star formation. Nebulas are basically systems of hydrogen and helium gas and they lead to the formation of stars, planets and even galaxies. I see storm delving deeper into nebula manipulation and plasma manipulation.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5651517]I agree with this. I see it more like if someone has faith in you that you can do anything and enough people had that faith that you become a god then your abilities can effect anything because that is what they believe in and that what is what empowered them to godhood. Lik you may believe spiderman can stop a robbery but how many people think spiderman can stop an alien armada let alone mythical gods, but ig enough people did actually believe it (unlikely) spiderman might materialize the strength to do it.[/QUOTE]
I think the only thing I would add is that the dd or "divine dna" needs to be there to elevate a man to the power of a God.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5651597]Oh easy storm is an egro atmokinetic she manipulates energy and forces behind weather phenomena at the universal level. She is very powerful in space because in space there is no true limit to the amount of elements. It has been discovered by scientist that the core of galaxies all have supermassive blackholes and that these black holes spit out energy and matter at the speed of light. This energy and matter is pushed into the inter galactic medium and then it leads to increase in nebula and star formation. Nebulas are basically systems of hydrogen and helium gas and they lead to the formation of stars, planets and even galaxies. I see storm delving deeper into nebula manipulation and plasma manipulation.[/QUOTE]
oh yes yes yes. if storm is manipulating black holes and their energy at the speed of light I would die ok!!!
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5651386]I'm truly overwhelmed right now. The amount of love I've received today is truly one that brings me joy and so very appreciative of the kindness. It sincerely means a lot to me. What made you start to delve into her in 2018 and what was it on 2020 that made you truly connect with her????
For your last statement that really means so much. I remember not knowing anything really about storm when I first started posting here and had some really knowledgeable storm fans offer great advice on her to be a better fan who offers more to her appreciation. I'm so humbled and happy that I was able to contribute in any way in your journey and im so happy forums like this have allowed for us to share with one another the wonder that is Storm!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you so much friend!!![/QUOTE]
So my story is very complicated, but before getting into RPGs I already knew this world of superheroes, in movies and animations, but it was thanks to the Rpgs that I participated that was the key for me to explore the world of comics. In this poorly managed Rpgs is a toxic place (Magneto fans, Thor and others), where there are always those arrogant, proud ones who despise the other characters (I was kind of influenced by that), but I always looked at Ororo with different eyes, but although I thought she was weak. The connection I had was because I've always liked elemental powers, energy, spiritual (I'm an Avatar lover), and I saw that Ororo had everything and more, so I told myself I didn't allow myself to be influenced, I should do more research on background on the characters' powers, in debates and forums (that's when you came into my life, it filled me up a lot)
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5651640]So my story is very complicated, but before getting into RPGs I already knew this world of superheroes, in movies and animations, but it was thanks to the Rpgs that I participated that was the key for me to explore the world of comics. In this poorly managed Rpgs is a toxic place (Magneto fans, Thor and others), where there are always those arrogant, proud ones who despise the other characters (I was kind of influenced by that), but I always looked at Ororo with different eyes, but although I thought she was weak. The connection I had was because I've always liked elemental powers, energy, spiritual (I'm an Avatar lover), and I saw that Ororo had everything and more, so I told myself I didn't allow myself to be influenced, I should do more research on background on the characters' powers, in debates and forums (that's when you came into my life, it filled me up a lot)[/QUOTE]
did you enjoy the rpgs beyond dome of the toxic stuff you experienced? what about storm did you think made her weak at that time? was there anything that surprised you upon doing your research and if so what was it?
I love love love the avatar!! it is so well written and a lot of that (elemental powers, spirituality) does put me in the mind of ororo.
and im seriously all smiles right now you are so very kind with your words!!! the storm fandom have a good numbers of knowledgeable fans if ever you have questions we all are here to support one another!!
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5651473]Exactly how i see it. Otherwise all marvel gods based on their system would need continual prayer, including thor. Once you've ascended you've done just that. But i think Storm is the first goddess or god to ascend from a mortal coil without dying first.[/QUOTE]
I think she will become Mars version of Gaea. The earth mother. I think as she proves herself the Arraki will believe in her. And it was awesome to see her use divine power to beat the Adversary in Coats run. I think it helped paved the way for her to be Regent in Mars.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5651296]I'm mist certain she will use her colleagues talents for resources as some point but I imagine she would want to first earn their respect under her own abilities. im sure the arrakii may seeher bringing in help as a form of weakness.[/QUOTE]
True but I'd rather her be safe than sorry. These is a brand-new ballgame and she's never really dealt with people like this. I think her usual diplomacy won't really work all that well.
[QUOTE=WallStreeter;5651671][B]I think she will become Mars version of Gaea[/B]. The earth mother. I think as she proves herself the Arraki will believe in her. And it was awesg=ome to see her use divine power to beat the Adversary in Coats run. I think it helped paved the way for her to be Regent in Mars.[/QUOTE]
Would be cool if she and Gaea would have a conversation. Does Storm still worship Gaea or does her evolution into a Goddess change the dynamic?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5651645]did you enjoy the rpgs beyond dome of the toxic stuff you experienced? what about storm did you think made her weak at that time? was there anything that surprised you upon doing your research and if so what was it?
I love love love the avatar!! it is so well written and a lot of that (elemental powers, spirituality) does put me in the mind of ororo.
and im seriously all smiles right now you are so very kind with your words!!! the storm fandom have a good numbers of knowledgeable fans if ever you have questions we all are here to support one another!![/QUOTE]
So RPG is my second family, there were very good and bad moments, but if it wasn't for them I would never know comics universe. At the time I was very insecure and ignorant (I did not like the old comics at the time, I hated the drawings I thought were too tacky, lol), I listened to "the haters" more than I did, and I got so many opinions because of them, I just wanted powerful characters of the Thor levels, "supernovas and solar system", I liked the standard characters like Thor, Superman, Wonder Woman, Iron Man... (in the sense of having super attributes and energy, manipulation, explosion, a Captain Marvel), and then I saw a good friend use Storm and then I thought "Damn, I have to meet this character", but I still thought she was what the movies, animations showed (Winds, Lightning), and then I heard a lot "Storm doesn't compare to the God of the Hammer", "Magneto is better than her" among other things, and I didn't like to hear it, but I believed it because I didn't see much in the comics (I had no idea that it was very poorly written). I've never been a fan of grey-red, telepathy is not my focus, I think it's a lot of pigeon.
I also like tough characters in the sense of being fighters, lethal characters like the black widow and stuff like that (that's why Psylocke is my favorite telepath). Anyway, I stopped listening to the haters and started to read more deeply about Ororo, I wanted to prove to them that they were wrong in subsimala, but first I had to understand their true abilities, which were already too confusing, that's when you I found it in the forums, debates, respetch threads (I'm very happy to be talking to you right now), you were kind of important to me, I learned a lot from you, inspired me to read the old comics, made me open my eyes to the nerfs that the Storm was winning, it was always contained.
Storm has everything and a little more than I like in characters, very powerful, extremely versatile, in addition to her personality that I was enchanted, a character that can be welcoming, friendly, one who thinks of the innocent in the middle of a war, at the same As long as she doesn't lose her imposing, stiff posture, I love that about her. The spiritual and delicate relationship with which she uses her elemental powers is so magical, she has such defined powers that it just needs to be explored further (elemental powers are very versatile), Avatar inspired me a lot too (I would like to see her use the elements like a form of healing, as Katara does with water, connecting with her connection to Oshtur)
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5651492]the best way I can distinguish between a gods powers and a mutants or other super powered person ability is spiritual versus physical . what I mean by this is that God powers can impact obviously the spiritual eleme to as well as those grounded in science (physical) but the same is not true of physical based powers. adversary mentioned this difference when he first encountered the xmen:
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/w7xLIwffGeyjXsmfE5ynB1Pj0Lh8e9dO32dDtqMTr_MPI8anTUK_VFN8Vylts4WR9nfC4Ptm73pt=s1600[/img]
this is why though super heroes like magneto may have god like abilities they are not actual true gods as their powers are not spiritual based. the other attributes you mentioned i would agree with a distinguishing trait.[/QUOTE]
Ok this is all my theory so take it with a grain of salt:
(Lots of head canon in it but I might as well share it)
Usually in the marvel universe high-end powers can be categorized by 3 different qualities:
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Cosmic Power[/COLOR] (power of the body)(physics): pure ultra-science in reed Richards or thanos style, unified control over the 4 foundamental forces of the universe, it’s a world of particles and quantification and logic, affinity for technology ….. atoms, molecules, photons, gravity, radiation etc… are under direct purview. (Scientific heroes… hulk,Fantastic four, captain marvel, silver surfer, quasar…..)
[COLOR="#0000FF"]Mystic Power [/COLOR](power of the soul)(philosophy): spiritual growth, esoteric knowledge, ability to manipulate magical forces for a variety of effects, it’s a world of spirits, fantastical creatures, elemental powers, extra dimensinal energies, karmic balance….. faith, symbolism, meaning & intention, arcane powers and knowledge can move reality accordingly. (Doctor Strange, Clea, Doctor Voodoo, Morgan le Fay….)
[COLOR="#008000"]Psionic Power [/COLOR](power of the mind)(biology): walks the line between body&soul, psionic power generation and manipulation, can be studied scientifically despite having some hard to quantify qualities, it’s a world of will, biochemical manipulation of ones’s body, astral self, empathy, telepathy, consciousness projection, can affect the physical word by specific or generic application of psionic energies generated by the brain with different affinities (tele-hydro-photo-thermo-cryo-ergo etc…. -kinesis), (mutants, xavier, emma frost, jean grey, vulcan, proteus are just some top examples)
Hybridization is very possible and common, you can have psionic manipulation via cosmic energy or cosmic forces manipulation via psionic means, mystic powers can emulate cosmic feats or affect the body as psionic would.
Mortals usually only have 1 source of power and can at best develop (and loose) a secondary source during their lifespawn (think of Illyana Rasputin or Jean Grey during her time as phoenix)
[B][COLOR="#800080"]GODS[/COLOR][/B] (this is really what makes Ororo so different from the rest) can be distinguished by mere mortals because they naturally possess personal intrinsic reservoirs of each branch, whether they decide to cultivate each of the three branches or just focus on one their nature is always trine, true gods have a COSMIC, MYSTICAL and PSIONIC dimension to themselves (think a tridimensional being ability to act opposed to a bi-dimensional one) ( this is where I see characters like Gaea, Thor, [B][COLOR="#40E0D0"]Storm[/COLOR][/B], Chthon, Odin, Osthur etc….)
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5651814]So RPG is my second family, there were very good and bad moments, but if it wasn't for them I would never know comics universe. At the time I was very insecure and ignorant (I did not like the old comics at the time, I hated the drawings I thought were too tacky, lol), I listened to "the haters" more than I did, and I got so many opinions because of them, I just wanted powerful characters of the Thor levels, "supernovas and solar system", I liked the standard characters like Thor, Superman, Wonder Woman, Iron Man... (in the sense of having super attributes and energy, manipulation, explosion, a Captain Marvel), and then I saw a good friend use Storm and then I thought "Damn, I have to meet this character", but I still thought she was what the movies, animations showed (Winds, Lightning), and then I heard a lot "Storm doesn't compare to the God of the Hammer", "Magneto is better than her" among other things, and I didn't like to hear it, but I believed it because I didn't see much in the comics (I had no idea that it was very poorly written). I've never been a fan of grey-red, telepathy is not my focus, I think it's a lot of pigeon.
I also like tough characters in the sense of being fighters, lethal characters like the black widow and stuff like that (that's why Psylocke is my favorite telepath). Anyway, I stopped listening to the haters and started to read more deeply about Ororo, I wanted to prove to them that they were wrong in subsimala, but first I had to understand their true abilities, which were already too confusing, that's when you I found it in the forums, debates, respetch threads (I'm very happy to be talking to you right now), you were kind of important to me, I learned a lot from you, inspired me to read the old comics, made me open my eyes to the nerfs that the Storm was winning, it was always contained.
Storm has everything and a little more than I like in characters, very powerful, extremely versatile, in addition to her personality that I was enchanted, a character that can be welcoming, friendly, one who thinks of the innocent in the middle of a war, at the same As long as she doesn't lose her imposing, stiff posture, I love that about her. The spiritual and delicate relationship with which she uses her elemental powers is so magical, she has such defined powers that it just needs to be explored further (elemental powers are very versatile), Avatar inspired me a lot too (I would like to see her use the elements like a form of healing, as Katara does with water, connecting with her connection to Oshtur)[/QUOTE]
Her powers to be frank are what drew me to her in the first place. Then everything else about her captivated me fully. Her power is something else entirely because many can't really fathom it, it seems simple on surface weather manipulation but how it works is what makes it really shine. Instead of basically controlling wind and lightning. She controls the energy and forces responsible for initiating and driving said phenomena these forces are universal hence why in any setting her powers would adapt. Now one thing to note is that these forces that govern weather are independent of the elements that make up weather this leaves space for imagination and a shake up in the perception of what is weather. Take the nanobotwind storm feat in the world for instance. She achieved that by manipulating the forces present and applying it instead to wind on nanobots to create a storm. Now imagine space with all that matter and energy and Ewing brainstorming for his beautiful life how to diversify her immensely powerful abilities. We are about to witness greatness.
[QUOTE=Daedra;5651913]Ok this is all my theory so take it with a grain of salt:
(Lots of head canon in it but I might as well share it)
Usually in the marvel universe high-end powers can be categorized by 3 different qualities:
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Cosmic Power[/COLOR] (power of the body)(physics): pure ultra-science in reed Richards or thanos style, unified control over the 4 foundamental forces of the universe, it’s a world of particles and quantification and logic, affinity for technology ….. atoms, molecules, photons, gravity, radiation etc… are under direct purview. (Scientific heroes… hulk,Fantastic four, captain marvel, silver surfer, quasar…..)
[COLOR="#0000FF"]Mystic Power [/COLOR](power of the soul)(philosophy): spiritual growth, esoteric knowledge, ability to manipulate magical forces for a variety of effects, it’s a world of spirits, fantastical creatures, elemental powers, extra dimensinal energies, karmic balance….. faith, symbolism, meaning & intention, arcane powers and knowledge can move reality accordingly. (Doctor Strange, Clea, Doctor Voodoo, Morgan le Fay….)
[COLOR="#008000"]Psionic Power [/COLOR](power of the mind)(biology): walks the line between body&soul, psionic power generation and manipulation, can be studied scientifically despite having some hard to quantify qualities, it’s a world of will, astral self, empathy, telepathy, consciousness projection, can affect the physical word by specific or generic application of psionic energies generated by the brain with different affinities (tele-hydro-photo-thermo-cryo-ergo etc…. -kinesis), (mutants, xavier, emma frost, jean grey, vulcan, proteus are just some top examples)
Hybridization is very possible and common, you can have psionic manipulation via cosmic energy or cosmic forces manipulation via psionic means, mystic powers can emulate cosmic feats or affect the body as psionic would.
Mortals usually only have 1 source of power and can at best develop (and loose) a secondary source during their lifespawn (think of Illyana Rasputin or Jean Grey during her time as phoenix)
[B][COLOR="#800080"]GODS[/COLOR][/B] (this is really what makes Ororo so different from the rest) can be distinguished by mere mortals because they naturally possess personal intrinsic reservoirs of each branch, whether they decide to cultivate each of the three branches or just focus on one their nature is always trine, true gods have a COSMIC, MYSTICAL and PSIONIC dimension to themselves (think a tridimensional being ability to act opposed to a bi-dimensional one) ( this is where I see characters like Gaea, Thor, [B][COLOR="#40E0D0"]Storm[/COLOR][/B], Chthon, Odin, Osthur etc….)[/QUOTE]
Girl I believe you are deserving os a PHD in super power expression... Because Dammm
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5651915]Girl I believe you are deserving os a PHD in super power expression... Because Dammm[/QUOTE]
Haha you’r too nice
Feels like I should explain the body-mind-soul thing
These are the tree elements needed to fu[U][/U]lly interact with the 616 reality as we know it:
The mind is generated for the first time once a soul is paired with a physical body, some psionic being are able to subsequently exist as single mixes of mind and soul once the body is destroyed, souls are everlasting and over history once the body and mind are destroyed they can move to their after life or be associated with different bodies or minds as it happens with reincarnation. A body always needs a soul or soul fragment to spark the autonomous generation of a mind.
While mortals can hope to exceed their natural lifespan by various means and combination this is always an exception and limitations vary on a case to case basis.
GODS’s immortality is due to their cosmic/psionic/mystic natures being in tune, meaning they can walk the line between life and death always as themselves, their body, soul and mind are always their own, nothing get lost in transition as they are eternal.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5651936]Haha you’r too nice
Feels like I should explain the body-mind-soul thing
These are the tree elements needed to fu[U][/U]lly interact with the 616 reality as we know it:
The mind is generated for the first time once a soul is paired with a physical body, some psionic being are able to subsequently exist as single mixes of mind and soul once the body is destroyed, souls are everlasting and over history once the body and mind are destroyed they can move to their after life or be associated with different bodies or minds as it happens with reincarnation. A body always needs a soul or soul fragment to spark the autonomous generation of a mind.
While mortals can hope to exceed their natural lifespan by various means and combination this is always an exception and limitations vary on a case to case basis.
GODS’s immortality is due to their cosmic/psionic/mystic natures being in tune, meaning they can walk the line between life and death always as themselves, their body, soul and mind are always their own, nothing get lost in transition as they are eternal.[/QUOTE]
That makes alot of sense and applies perfectly to storm as she has omega level mutation in her body, an indomitable will, and the strength of spirit to hold eternity itself in her. All these when in tune activates her godhead.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5651109]child i wanna say since back when storm and black panther were married. I've had so many battles, debates, and back and forth with both storm fans and posters who are not fans. There was a period this forum was a lot more active with storm fans who were more fanatical and knowledgeable than myself. But we have a love/hate kinda energy. Either you love us or you don't and I find it quite funny. There have been many trolls, being banned, deleted posts and everything in-between defending storm. From people who wanted me to say she was a lesser to Jean, or to pick a side between her and tchalla during their divorce. Ive created petitions and directly messaged creators to gain insight on her treatment. Its been so much but all of it was very much worth it seeing where we are now. Had anyone said storm canonically would be omega and goddess it would have gotten you laughed off the forum and banned depending on the mod. But look at us now we eating good!!![/QUOTE]
Awww thank you for all you do to protect Storm <3
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5651942]That makes alot of sense and applies perfectly to storm as she has omega level mutation in her body, an indomitable will, and the strength of spirit to hold eternity itself in her. All these when in tune activates her godhead.[/QUOTE]
What will feats does she have?
Is she on higher or lower side of indomitable will, I se many characters who have this but way different levels.
And can you explain the eternity spirit thing?I find this all very interesting
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The funny thing is...in comics being a God with such vast powers really doesn't amount to much because they can always be beaten, especially the very bad ones...all the time. They're never truly omnipotent or omniscient...as we're led to believe.
That's why I'm still quite lukewarm on Storm's Goddess-thing.
While I can see Storm levelling up to God-mode if she has to but I don't necessarily see her dipping from that divinity well often. I would much rather see her expand her mutant abilities to stellar degrees now that she's out in Space.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5652013]The funny thing is...in comics being a God with such vast powers really doesn't amount to much because they can always be beaten, especially the very bad ones...all the time. They're never truly omnipotent or omniscient...as we're led to believe.
That's why I'm still quite lukewarm on Storm's Goddess-thing.
While I can see Storm levelling up to God-mode if she has to but I don't necessarily see her dipping from that divinity well often. I would much rather see her expand her mutant abilities to stellar degrees now that she's out in Space.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much all this.
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[QUOTE=WallStreeter;5651671]I think she will become Mars version of Gaea. The earth mother. I think as she proves herself the Arraki will believe in her. And it was awesome to see her use divine power to beat the Adversary in Coats run. I think it helped paved the way for her to be Regent in Mars.[/QUOTE]
That would be fun. The mother of Mars. It makes sense i think even beyond her regency and i am thinking far ahead storm will always be seen as a key architect of mars and in some ways the omegas that helped her create it will always be a mythic part of that "pantheon."
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5652013]The funny thing is...in comics being a God with such vast powers really doesn't amount to much because they can always be beaten, especially the very bad ones...all the time. They're never truly omnipotent or omniscient...as we're led to believe.
That's why I'm still quite lukewarm on Storm's Goddess-thing.
While I can see Storm levelling up to God-mode if she has to but I don't necessarily see her dipping from that divinity well often. I would much rather see her expand her mutant abilities to stellar degrees now that she's out in Space.[/QUOTE]
It’s true, some gods like Ororo are more powerful than others, and as we saw in in Black Panther being a god has its perks from time to time.
The concept of a mutant goddes is both cool and original, it is also easily marketable and easy to catch.
She’s not just the next mutant with unlimited potential.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5652097]It’s true, some gods like Ororo are more powerful than others, and as we saw in in Black Panther being a god has its perks from time to time.
The concept of a mutant goddes is both cool and original, it is also easily marketable and easy to catch.
She’s not just the next mutant with unlimited potential.[/QUOTE]
I also find the idea of mutant god infinitely fascinating. There are alien mutants, mutants from other dimensions, why wouldn't there be a mutant god. And what adds to it imo is like i think of hercules in greek myth that was a demi god and had to go through his joruney to finally ascend to godhood. He had great strength etc inherent from his godhood. Storm has maybe the one drop rule of godhood but was born a mutant and with power that rivals a god. I think if it was anyone else they would have never ascended because they would not have been that grand. It is storms mutation that opened the gateway to her godhood. I just see so many pretty images when i think of exploring that.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5651913]Ok this is all my theory so take it with a grain of salt:
(Lots of head canon in it but I might as well share it)
Usually in the marvel universe high-end powers can be categorized by 3 different qualities:
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Cosmic Power[/COLOR] (power of the body)(physics): pure ultra-science in reed Richards or thanos style, unified control over the 4 foundamental forces of the universe, it’s a world of particles and quantification and logic, affinity for technology ….. atoms, molecules, photons, gravity, radiation etc… are under direct purview. (Scientific heroes… hulk,Fantastic four, captain marvel, silver surfer, quasar…..)
[COLOR="#0000FF"]Mystic Power [/COLOR](power of the soul)(philosophy): spiritual growth, esoteric knowledge, ability to manipulate magical forces for a variety of effects, it’s a world of spirits, fantastical creatures, elemental powers, extra dimensinal energies, karmic balance….. faith, symbolism, meaning & intention, arcane powers and knowledge can move reality accordingly. (Doctor Strange, Clea, Doctor Voodoo, Morgan le Fay….)
[COLOR="#008000"]Psionic Power [/COLOR](power of the mind)(biology): walks the line between body&soul, psionic power generation and manipulation, can be studied scientifically despite having some hard to quantify qualities, it’s a world of will, biochemical manipulation of ones’s body, astral self, empathy, telepathy, consciousness projection, can affect the physical word by specific or generic application of psionic energies generated by the brain with different affinities (tele-hydro-photo-thermo-cryo-ergo etc…. -kinesis), (mutants, xavier, emma frost, jean grey, vulcan, proteus are just some top examples)
Hybridization is very possible and common, you can have psionic manipulation via cosmic energy or cosmic forces manipulation via psionic means, mystic powers can emulate cosmic feats or affect the body as psionic would.
Mortals usually only have 1 source of power and can at best develop (and loose) a secondary source during their lifespawn (think of Illyana Rasputin or Jean Grey during her time as phoenix)
[B][COLOR="#800080"]GODS[/COLOR][/B] (this is really what makes Ororo so different from the rest) can be distinguished by mere mortals because they naturally possess personal intrinsic reservoirs of each branch, whether they decide to cultivate each of the three branches or just focus on one their nature is always trine, true gods have a COSMIC, MYSTICAL and PSIONIC dimension to themselves (think a tridimensional being ability to act opposed to a bi-dimensional one) ( this is where I see characters like Gaea, Thor, [B][COLOR="#40E0D0"]Storm[/COLOR][/B], Chthon, Odin, Osthur etc….)[/QUOTE]
The best explanation I've seen so far to make sense of all the different aspects of power in the MU.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5652242]The best explanation I've seen so far to make sense of all the different aspects of power in the MU.
[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/images/fc3c5db441f87a60d38fc52f75ba0f29/tenor.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Let me print a copy when you done because this is the good stuff.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5651913]Ok this is all my theory so take it with a grain of salt:
(Lots of head canon in it but I might as well share it)
Usually in the marvel universe high-end powers can be categorized by 3 different qualities:
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Cosmic Power[/COLOR] (power of the body)(physics): pure ultra-science in reed Richards or thanos style, unified control over the 4 foundamental forces of the universe, it’s a world of particles and quantification and logic, affinity for technology ….. atoms, molecules, photons, gravity, radiation etc… are under direct purview. (Scientific heroes… hulk,Fantastic four, captain marvel, silver surfer, quasar…..)
[COLOR="#0000FF"]Mystic Power [/COLOR](power of the soul)(philosophy): spiritual growth, esoteric knowledge, ability to manipulate magical forces for a variety of effects, it’s a world of spirits, fantastical creatures, elemental powers, extra dimensinal energies, karmic balance….. faith, symbolism, meaning & intention, arcane powers and knowledge can move reality accordingly. (Doctor Strange, Clea, Doctor Voodoo, Morgan le Fay….)
[COLOR="#008000"]Psionic Power [/COLOR](power of the mind)(biology): walks the line between body&soul, psionic power generation and manipulation, can be studied scientifically despite having some hard to quantify qualities, it’s a world of will, biochemical manipulation of ones’s body, astral self, empathy, telepathy, consciousness projection, can affect the physical word by specific or generic application of psionic energies generated by the brain with different affinities (tele-hydro-photo-thermo-cryo-ergo etc…. -kinesis), (mutants, xavier, emma frost, jean grey, vulcan, proteus are just some top examples)
Hybridization is very possible and common, you can have psionic manipulation via cosmic energy or cosmic forces manipulation via psionic means, mystic powers can emulate cosmic feats or affect the body as psionic would.
Mortals usually only have 1 source of power and can at best develop (and loose) a secondary source during their lifespawn (think of Illyana Rasputin or Jean Grey during her time as phoenix)
[B][COLOR="#800080"]GODS[/COLOR][/B] (this is really what makes Ororo so different from the rest) can be distinguished by mere mortals because they naturally possess personal intrinsic reservoirs of each branch, whether they decide to cultivate each of the three branches or just focus on one their nature is always trine, true gods have a COSMIC, MYSTICAL and PSIONIC dimension to themselves (think a tridimensional being ability to act opposed to a bi-dimensional one) ( this is where I see characters like Gaea, Thor, [B][COLOR="#40E0D0"]Storm[/COLOR][/B], Chthon, Odin, Osthur etc….)[/QUOTE]
Damn, I feel Marvel is losing an excellent writer right now, it's a good point I didn't realize.
But I just want to add that in the Coates run (BP #15 2016), it's said that [B]"Gods originate from other Gods"[/B], in this case a demigod or something like that, so that can be taken as three interpretations.
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[LIST=1][*]It would be that in the case of Oshtur created a bond, a very strong bond with Ororo, and then she gave portions of her powers to Ororo (in this case when she was still in her mother's womb)
[*] It's more like a small or large Recton, in fact Ororo is the daughter of some God or Goddess, but to make things worse it could be something like Oshtur or even Gaea gave their essence to their mother's womb something to generate Ororo, something very biblical indeed, would be an option not to change the entire history we know of Ororo.
[*] The option that I find easiest to happen is that in the lineage of Ororo there may be a Goddess, yes, since there are powerful witches, since she has one of the first supreme magicians in the universe, so why not someone who ascended to the Divine ? Making Ororo a "demigod", only because of the events of Wakanda did she emerge as a New Goddess.[/LIST]
[I]Remembering that Oshtur is a Benevolent Goddess associated with Air, being one of the pillars of Magic, thus representing Light, Healing and Order (?), This explains why Ororo is the right person to face the Adversary who is a pandimensional demon, agent from chaos, to a very symbolic context, Chaos and Order go hand in hand, just as in Avatar, yin-yang[/I]
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5651913]Ok this is all my theory so take it with a grain of salt:
(Lots of head canon in it but I might as well share it)
Usually in the marvel universe high-end powers can be categorized by 3 different qualities:
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Cosmic Power[/COLOR] (power of the body)(physics): pure ultra-science in reed Richards or thanos style, unified control over the 4 foundamental forces of the universe, it’s a world of particles and quantification and logic, affinity for technology ….. atoms, molecules, photons, gravity, radiation etc… are under direct purview. (Scientific heroes… hulk,Fantastic four, captain marvel, silver surfer, quasar…..)
[COLOR="#0000FF"]Mystic Power [/COLOR](power of the soul)(philosophy): spiritual growth, esoteric knowledge, ability to manipulate magical forces for a variety of effects, it’s a world of spirits, fantastical creatures, elemental powers, extra dimensinal energies, karmic balance….. faith, symbolism, meaning & intention, arcane powers and knowledge can move reality accordingly. (Doctor Strange, Clea, Doctor Voodoo, Morgan le Fay….)
[COLOR="#008000"]Psionic Power [/COLOR](power of the mind)(biology): walks the line between body&soul, psionic power generation and manipulation, can be studied scientifically despite having some hard to quantify qualities, it’s a world of will, biochemical manipulation of ones’s body, astral self, empathy, telepathy, consciousness projection, can affect the physical word by specific or generic application of psionic energies generated by the brain with different affinities (tele-hydro-photo-thermo-cryo-ergo etc…. -kinesis), (mutants, xavier, emma frost, jean grey, vulcan, proteus are just some top examples)
Hybridization is very possible and common, you can have psionic manipulation via cosmic energy or cosmic forces manipulation via psionic means, mystic powers can emulate cosmic feats or affect the body as psionic would.
Mortals usually only have 1 source of power and can at best develop (and loose) a secondary source during their lifespawn (think of Illyana Rasputin or Jean Grey during her time as phoenix)
[B][COLOR="#800080"]GODS[/COLOR][/B] (this is really what makes Ororo so different from the rest) can be distinguished by mere mortals because they naturally possess personal intrinsic reservoirs of each branch, whether they decide to cultivate each of the three branches or just focus on one their nature is always trine, true gods have a COSMIC, MYSTICAL and PSIONIC dimension to themselves (think a tridimensional being ability to act opposed to a bi-dimensional one) ( this is where I see characters like Gaea, Thor, [B][COLOR="#40E0D0"]Storm[/COLOR][/B], Chthon, Odin, Osthur etc….)[/QUOTE]
Well and so.
This will be my go to understanding because...
1: It makes sense. and
2: I do think there are some truths here even if Marvel doesn't specifically and explicitly state the categories. (Knowing Marvel...they will give some highfaluting and confusing exposition with a gazillion words to say the exact same thing).
It would make Storm one of the top-tier powerful characters because she can access all three "states of being" as an Omega but even more so if/when she goes God-mode.
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[QUOTE=Spiderfan001;5651993]What will feats does she have?
Is she on higher or lower side of indomitable will, I se many characters who have this but way different levels.
And can you explain the eternity spirit thing?I find this all very interesting[/QUOTE]
Oh storm is very high on the indomitable will scale her power over the weather is tied to her emotions directly so by will she has to keep her emotions in check or else she can destroy the world. She has resisted the most powerful telepaths on earth out of sheeer will alone, and even resisted the combined might of xavier, Betsy, oracle at once and it was then stated she has the strongest will put of all the xmen.
The eternity feat is basically all of existence was in peril eternity the cosmic entity was gravely hurt and Dr strange needed to perform a surgery to save all existence. For the surgery to take place they needed to transfer eternity into the spirit of a mortal so dr strange can do the surgery but of all gathered and that includes silver surfer, the fantastic four and the like only storm and strange were stated to have spirits strong enough to survive eternity. So storm hosted eternity as strange did the surgery.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5652252]Let me print a copy when you done because this is the good stuff.[/QUOTE]
We also need to start a petition for Marvel to slide him a check for doing their work for them. ;)
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5652356]Oh storm is very high on the indomitable will scale her power over the weather is tied to her emotions directly so by will she has to keep her emotions in check or else she can destroy the world. She has resisted the most powerful telepaths on earth out of sheeer will alone, and even resisted the combined might of xavier, Betsy, oracle at once and it was then stated she has the strongest will put of all the xmen.
The eternity feat is basically all of existence was in peril eternity the cosmic entity was gravely hurt and Dr strange needed to perform a surgery to save all existence. For the surgery to take place they needed to transfer eternity into the spirit of a mortal so dr strange can do the surgery but of all gathered and that includes silver surfer, the fantastic four and the like only storm and strange were stated to have spirits strong enough to survive eternity. So storm hosted eternity as strange did the surgery.[/QUOTE]
I remember that! It looked like Storm became Eternity.
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Wow this week's issue really showed how Storm should have been written all these years. And I'm even more hyped for S.W.O.R.D. #8
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5651913]Ok this is all my theory so take it with a grain of salt:
(Lots of head canon in it but I might as well share it)
Usually in the marvel universe high-end powers can be categorized by 3 different qualities:
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Cosmic Power[/COLOR] (power of the body)(physics): pure ultra-science in reed Richards or thanos style, unified control over the 4 foundamental forces of the universe, it’s a world of particles and quantification and logic, affinity for technology ….. atoms, molecules, photons, gravity, radiation etc… are under direct purview. (Scientific heroes… hulk,Fantastic four, captain marvel, silver surfer, quasar…..)
[COLOR="#0000FF"]Mystic Power [/COLOR](power of the soul)(philosophy): spiritual growth, esoteric knowledge, ability to manipulate magical forces for a variety of effects, it’s a world of spirits, fantastical creatures, elemental powers, extra dimensinal energies, karmic balance….. faith, symbolism, meaning & intention, arcane powers and knowledge can move reality accordingly. (Doctor Strange, Clea, Doctor Voodoo, Morgan le Fay….)
[COLOR="#008000"]Psionic Power [/COLOR](power of the mind)(biology): walks the line between body&soul, psionic power generation and manipulation, can be studied scientifically despite having some hard to quantify qualities, it’s a world of will, biochemical manipulation of ones’s body, astral self, empathy, telepathy, consciousness projection, can affect the physical word by specific or generic application of psionic energies generated by the brain with different affinities (tele-hydro-photo-thermo-cryo-ergo etc…. -kinesis), (mutants, xavier, emma frost, jean grey, vulcan, proteus are just some top examples)
Hybridization is very possible and common, you can have psionic manipulation via cosmic energy or cosmic forces manipulation via psionic means, mystic powers can emulate cosmic feats or affect the body as psionic would.
Mortals usually only have 1 source of power and can at best develop (and loose) a secondary source during their lifespawn (think of Illyana Rasputin or Jean Grey during her time as phoenix)
[B][COLOR="#800080"]GODS[/COLOR][/B] (this is really what makes Ororo so different from the rest) can be distinguished by mere mortals because they naturally possess personal intrinsic reservoirs of each branch, whether they decide to cultivate each of the three branches or just focus on one their nature is always trine, true gods have a COSMIC, MYSTICAL and PSIONIC dimension to themselves (think a tridimensional being ability to act opposed to a bi-dimensional one) ( this is where I see characters like Gaea, Thor, [B][COLOR="#40E0D0"]Storm[/COLOR][/B], Chthon, Odin, Osthur etc….)[/QUOTE]
I wanna say I love to see the growth of this thread [B][U]DESPITE[COLOR="#EE82EE"][/COLOR][/U][/B] mods targeted attempts to truncate our posts!! I love to see it!
Now on to more important things. Dae this post is A1 spectacular! I love the breakdown here and I want to echo what others have echoed this is the best explanation I've seen on the subject.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5652403][B]I wanna say I love to see the growth of this thread [B][U]DESPITE[COLOR="#EE82EE"][/COLOR][/U][/B] mods targeted attempts to truncate our posts!! [/B] I love to see it!
Now on to more important things. Dae this post is A1 spectacular! I love the breakdown here and I want to echo what others have echoed this is the best explanation I've seen on the subject.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to miss you.
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[QUOTE=LadyXKerrigan;5651980]Awww thank you for all you do to protect Storm <3[/QUOTE]
you're very welcome boo and thank you to for joining in the discussion!!
[QUOTE=Stormy;5651814]So RPG is my second family, there were very good and bad moments, but if it wasn't for them I would never know comics universe. At the time I was very insecure and ignorant (I did not like the old comics at the time, I hated the drawings I thought were too tacky, lol), I listened to "the haters" more than I did, and I got so many opinions because of them, I just wanted powerful characters of the Thor levels, "supernovas and solar system", I liked the standard characters like Thor, Superman, Wonder Woman, Iron Man... (in the sense of having super attributes and energy, manipulation, explosion, a Captain Marvel), and then I saw a good friend use Storm and then I thought "Damn, I have to meet this character", but I still thought she was what the movies, animations showed (Winds, Lightning), and then I heard a lot "Storm doesn't compare to the God of the Hammer", "Magneto is better than her" among other things, and I didn't like to hear it, but I believed it because I didn't see much in the comics (I had no idea that it was very poorly written). I've never been a fan of grey-red, telepathy is not my focus, I think it's a lot of pigeon.
I also like tough characters in the sense of being fighters, lethal characters like the black widow and stuff like that (that's why Psylocke is my favorite telepath). Anyway, I stopped listening to the haters and started to read more deeply about Ororo, I wanted to prove to them that they were wrong in subsimala, but first I had to understand their true abilities, which were already too confusing, that's when you I found it in the forums, debates, respetch threads (I'm very happy to be talking to you right now), you were kind of important to me, I learned a lot from you, inspired me to read the old comics, made me open my eyes to the nerfs that the Storm was winning, it was always contained.
Storm has everything and a little more than I like in characters, very powerful, extremely versatile, in addition to her personality that I was enchanted, a character that can be welcoming, friendly, one who thinks of the innocent in the middle of a war, at the same As long as she doesn't lose her imposing, stiff posture, I love that about her. The spiritual and delicate relationship with which she uses her elemental powers is so magical, she has such defined powers that it just needs to be explored further (elemental powers are very versatile), Avatar inspired me a lot too (I would like to see her use the elements like a form of healing, as Katara does with water, connecting with her connection to Oshtur)[/QUOTE]
wow thank you for sharing your journey with me. its really awesome to see you had an open mind to learn about the character despite what many people were telling you many people would just take their word as gospel but it takes a critical thinker to seek knowledge for oneself to make their own informed decision. that is so very wonderful to see.
I'm glad you and I have connected as much as you have learned from me your knowledge you have shared here I too have learned from so we all are learning from each other which is beautiful.
I completely agree with all you said in your last paragraph. she is versatile and proficient in a lot of areas. Kamara was perhaps my fave on avatar. I always thought it would be cool to see storm bloodied but seeing your point it would be cooler to see her apply her spiritual abilities with water to heal.
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5651751]True but I'd rather her be safe than sorry. These is a brand-new ballgame and she's never really dealt with people like this. I think her usual diplomacy won't really work all that well.
Would be cool if she and Gaea would have a conversation. Does Storm still worship Gaea or does her evolution into a Goddess change the dynamic?[/QUOTE]
oh when I was talking about proving herself I meant by force. diplomacy won't work with the arakkii.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5652413]I'm going to miss you.[/QUOTE]
why are you going to miss me? what happened?
oh.... you're talking about retaliation for making observations on behavior I've seen by mods. just calling a spade a spade.
when posts made in storms thread are constantly deleted and images grouped together under one post yet you go to other appreciations threads where the same treatment is not applied to obvious posters who spam content it goes to making my point I've said about treatment towards storm fans. its really not a big deal and I find it funny energy is even made to do such a thing, but i thought it was fair to acknowledge what is actively going on here and making note of this certainly isn't a against any forum rules.
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oh when I was talking about proving herself I meant by force. diplomacy won't work with the arakkii.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm expecting more lightning and blasts of divine power than stabby stabby shank shank like we see on the cover of issue 8.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5652425]why are you going to miss me? what happened?
oh.... you're talking about retaliation for making observations on behavior I've seen by mods. just calling a spade a spade.
when posts made in storms thread are constantly deleted and images grouped together under one post yet you go to other appreciations threads where the same treatment is not applied to obvious posters who spam content it goes to making my point I've said about treatment towards storm fans. its really not a big deal and I find it funny energy is even made to do such a thing, but i thought it was fair to acknowledge what is actively going on here and making note of this certainly isn't a against any forum rules.[/QUOTE]
I see. And like we've discussed in PMs you already know my energy about this.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5652466]Yeah, I'm expecting more lightning and blasts of divine power than stabby stabby shank shank like we see on the cover of issue 8.
I see. And like we've discussed in PMs you already know my energy about this.
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thats exactly what I want to see. the solicits say she could be changed due to this trial by fire so im curious what she has to do and how she comes out of it once she does have to lay hands.
yes I know your thoughts boo lolol.
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Question did the galactic representatives appoint Storm as the ruler of Sol? If so why were they surprised in issue #6
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5652473]thats exactly what I want to see. the solicits say she could be changed due to this trial by fire so im curious what she has to do and how she comes out of it once she does have to lay hands.
yes I know your thoughts boo lolol.[/QUOTE]
Would she really be "changed" or written more like her classic style? While I haven't read everything Claremont wrote about classic Storm, one thing that does stand out was that she was not scared to cut a b!tch if the need arose. I feel like a canon junkie like Ewing would take serious inspiration from that time of her life. Also, his introduction to Storm was the legendary Punk Storm.
