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[QUOTE=WallStreeter;5366876]Storm has shown she can control cosmic storms and solar winds. Anyone who can do that can clearly control fire. Or since regular fire needs AIR to happen, anyone who controls the air to a degree can control fire, especially if they can use lightening to start fires. Storm also is more than just an elemental, there are magical aspects to her powers. She hosted an M-Body of Eternity. She channeleg magical energy and created a bolt of lightening that teleported her and Magik back to Limbo. She helped Forge opened up a date to travel from the earth the Adversary banished them to back to the regular earth. She blasted the Adversary out of our dimension with a mystical lightening bolt.
She´s way more powerful than Crystal.[/QUOTE]
I think functionally speaking the reason she has been able to control solar winds to air was how chris Claremont stated her powers work. she is directly controlling the energy behind the phenomenon we see as weather. with that since fire does contain energy she should be able to control it as well.
I think the confusion with how people perceive her is she is always described as a weather manipulator. so if becomes hard seeing her do things beyond weather
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5366886]you're welcome beloved dont go lol. I totally understand your point was not to say who was more powerful. its different application but I dont believe anyone would argue storm is a greater earth, fire manipulator than crystal. what I would like to see now that we are on the topic is crystal maybe helping ororo explore fire/earth manipulation to a deeper degree then we've seen..[/QUOTE]
You called, and I, Child of the Stars have answered, lol.
I agree, Storm and Crystal working together could help teach each other things that would not only improve both their abilities as far as versatility but their power.
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[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5366901]You called, and I, Child of the Stars have answered, lol.
I agree, Storm and Crystal working together could help teach each other things that would not only improve both their abilities as far as versatility but their power.[/QUOTE]
welcome back boo!!
I know when it comes to water manipulation storm learned to perceive it differently by being immersed in it:
[img]https://i.ibb.co/RCRwXGG/Screenshot-20210207-170455-Samsung-Internet.jpg[/img]
for some reason with her claustrophobia I would think manipulating earth would be more taxing to her.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5366896]I think functionally speaking the reason she has been able to control solar winds to air was how chris Claremont stated her powers work. she is directly controlling the energy behind the phenomenon we see as weather. with that since fire does contain energy she should be able to control it as well.
I think the confusion with how people perceive her is she is always described as a weather manipulator. so if becomes hard seeing her do things beyond weather[/QUOTE]
Weather is just a human concept, what Ororo seems to do is take control of environmental matrices and complex energy/matter systems on a micro & macro scale, singling out the elements one by one somehow seems to never do her justice, she tends to work along the full tapestry or the picture as a whole if you will.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5366930]Weather is just a human concept, what Ororo seems to do is take control of environmental matrices and complex energy/matter systems on a micro & macro scale, singling out the elements one by one somehow seems to never do her justice, she tends to work along the full tapestry or the picture as a whole if you will.[/QUOTE]
I would agree singling out elements specifically doesn't do her justice. this scan as simple as it may be always is my go to when wanting to show a simplified definition to how her powers work, which by the way I think your explanation fits nicely as well:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/3/30174/2576627-patternsofforceandenerg.jpg[/img]
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here are a couple of others that talk to her perception of energy and manipulating them:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/K4aH_J5-MzXM42AWjYeapMLI64FIfhtS39ipsZAw3Xz_Bz28lDSGAHvfM8fHFR6fPptKwU5qdaNE8g=s1600[/img]
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/n_CxlpA_Gv9ABRacxuQbckjQRoW0qp9GkBpPETMiRO1ZciCKCosiSC3LJDLw5pSSg7qBfWfaY72W=s1600[/img]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5366941]I would agree singling out elements specifically doesn't do her justice. this scan as simple as it may be always is my go to when wanting to show a simplified definition to how her powers work, which by the way I think your explanation fits nicely as well:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/3/30174/2576627-patternsofforceandenerg.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
She really is the mutant version of a pantheistic and immanent divinity, her affinity for open spaces, the sky and the concept of boundless freedom in my opinion must be attributes of her status as goddess and that’s the reason for her unparalleled ability to “manipulate the weather”.
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[QUOTE=WallStreeter;5366733]Storm´s elemental powers have a way broader range than either Crystal or Iso, plus as we know [B]Storm has her magical abilities. Strange trapped her in the crimson bands of cytorrak and she shattered them.
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I wonder what plans does Hickman have for her on her divine/mystical side.[/QUOTE]
Why do you say this. Storm does not have magical abilities. She has magical potential (that haven't been fully realised) which is different. Her defeating the Adversary was under specific circumstances that allowed her to access her divine birth-right, circumstances that haven't been repeated, nor explored further, to date. Which I guess you can construe to be "magic" of a higher source but...it's not really "magical" nor is it something that she uses in conjunction with her mutant elemental abilities. Most, if not all, of the times she's manipulated weather phenomenon it's been solely via her mutant birthright.
Her breaking the "unbreakable" bands of Cytorrak with lightning was PIS that fell in line with a whole host of other characters who were able to break said bands without magic.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5366964]She really is the mutant version of a pantheistic and immanent divinity, her affinity for open spaces, the sky and the concept of boundless freedom in my opinion must be attributes of her status as goddess and that’s the reason for her unparalleled ability to “manipulate the weather”.[/QUOTE]
beautifully said beloved!
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on the topic of storm latent magically abilities, she was able to channel the magical energies of several powerful mages when Magik, who is a powerful sorceress in her own right, was unable to do:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ZYlsiMBHB1B_HU8ROg9UzIqDtX2ru5RzcTJ0vMvmkeS9T0g17M7d3-al_-zZN3W9mDctV9stxvhB=s1600[/img]
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/3UiaJLCJVe7nWCbTO2vcrlktmuOLoRGfTI_SkWE0PfQoT7t9wmtLcCcDfAUwzSkVhWDHQTBUxsJh=s1600[/img]
being a potential sorceress Supreme has afforded her much including breaking through the bands of cytorrak.
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This entire page has scans of Storm power usage I have never seen before. Marvel really has diversely developed her powers. Very incredible!
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[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5367027]This entire page has scans of Storm power usage I have never seen before. Marvel really has diversely developed her powers. Very incredible![/QUOTE]
yes indeed. its probably why so many of her fans complain when the most we see is lightning.
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Those are some feats I haven't seen before. Can you share scans of her breaking the Cytorack Chains? (Or whatever they are called)
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5367331]Those are some feats I haven't seen before. Can you share scans of her breaking the Cytorack Chains? (Or whatever they are called)[/QUOTE]
which ones had you not seen before?
and the bands of cytorrak feat is here:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/xKYnWDjpiW-b9OID_iexCSDwg12gm4zP1KX3K__D5OsKkkexFNEzk8HYjUViFdgH3XMqlzats2ALf0CkEZxwPGf_qGfM_9d_h6DwM4DK_bV-VTz7YPsKJhtOi6fd93GzK-2qR-tZng=s1600[/img]
and here's a list of a few others who have broken free
[url]https://www.cbr.com/these-unbreakable-crimson-bands-of-cyttorak-sure-do-break-a-lot/[/url]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5366927]welcome back boo!!
I know when it comes to water manipulation storm learned to perceive it differently by being immersed in it:
[img]https://i.ibb.co/RCRwXGG/Screenshot-20210207-170455-Samsung-Internet.jpg[/img]
for some reason with her claustrophobia I would think manipulating earth would be more taxing to her.[/QUOTE]
I never thought of it that way.her claustrophobia is a primal fear so it could be affecting her abilities in certain ways. And we know telepaths find it difficult to read her so they might not even know. We even know that cerebri though powerful is flawed.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5366772]Thats a good point though I do think some would have argued Crystal's powers were on par with Storm's power level. AND YES YES YES! I loved that showing with the crimson bands too. I would like to think her ability to do this was because of her latent magic abilities.
now to your last part im not convinced he is going to explore her magical/divine aspects. he has written her as stating she is a goddess but I'm wanting a lot more than just words though I did love the shield she finally created in his Xmen book.[/QUOTE]
Yep it's really weird when people say that. Crystal though powerful has never demonstrated power 1/5 of storms. Her greatest fear was when she lifted Atilan but that is just that a city level feat. Storm has channelled power of an entire dimension and a galactic core they are not the same. Even in elemental prowess I noticed that Crystal control matter and Storm controls energy that governs matter.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5366941]I would agree singling out elements specifically doesn't do her justice. this scan as simple as it may be always is my go to when wanting to show a simplified definition to how her powers work, which by the way I think your explanation fits nicely as well:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/3/30174/2576627-patternsofforceandenerg.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Also did you notice that the caption states of nature rather than of weather. Or maybe I am just tripping.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5366927]welcome back boo!!
I know when it comes to water manipulation storm learned to perceive it differently by being immersed in it:
for some reason with her claustrophobia I would think manipulating earth would be more taxing to her.[/QUOTE]
Never thought about it before. Could her claustrophobia be keeping her from her control over earth to some degree. But she still seem to have the connection to and effect over nature, from earthquakes, volcanos, and plants life and animals.
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If her journey is going to happen out in space then I can only guess that the writer (whoever they may be, and not necessarily HiX-Man) will go more "cosmic" than "mystic" with developing her powers and character, further.
And I'm quite okies with that.
We've had: Elemental X-Man, Power-less Badass, Omega-level Mutant, Occasional Goddess (from the perspective she's not in "Goddess-mode 24/7)...
I would love to see what a Cosmic Storm entails.
I love that her life/story arc takes her from the Cairo Egypt to the plains of Kenya, to the US/Australia, to Krakoa, and now to outer space...and I have a theory as to who might be one of the main protagonists going up against the Phalanx in HiX-Man's endgame.
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5367596]Never thought about it before.[B] Could her claustrophobia be keeping her from her control over earth to some degree.[/B] But she still seem to have the connection to and effect over nature, from earthquakes, volcanos, and plants life and animals.[/QUOTE]
I think the trauma of losing her parents in burning rubble[B] did[/B] condition her to avoid the earth and fire elements, even though her powers do apply to them just as much as water/air/ether. I love the idea of an Ororo whose parents took her back to Kenya(instead of Cairo) and she was raised in her mother's culture with all the love and support of both her parents and the wisdom of the matrilineal line.
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This Ororo commands all elements and is initiated as a high priestess of the Bright Lady, in communion with all Life.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5367368]which ones had you not seen before?[/QUOTE]
For example, taking that Magic Energy which has surrounded Magic, or w/e, several posts above this one. Breaking Cytorak's binds, or the undersea/ocean feat? When she for the first time reaches to it. I've seen the one in the blackbird (I think it was or some vehicle) where she could sense the waves and current. Or that one where she controls the fire which is shot at her, is a new one. I've seen her plenty of times controlling heatwaves, heat blast, etc., but not directly fire.
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Storm does not look pleased to be associated with this title... lol
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtuqWznXEAIxh9q?format=jpg&name=medium[/img]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5367024]on the topic of storm latent magically abilities, she was able to channel the magical energies of several powerful mages when Magik, who is a powerful sorceress in her own right, was unable to do:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ZYlsiMBHB1B_HU8ROg9UzIqDtX2ru5RzcTJ0vMvmkeS9T0g17M7d3-al_-zZN3W9mDctV9stxvhB=s1600[/img]
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/3UiaJLCJVe7nWCbTO2vcrlktmuOLoRGfTI_SkWE0PfQoT7t9wmtLcCcDfAUwzSkVhWDHQTBUxsJh=s1600[/img]
being a potential sorceress Supreme has afforded her much including breaking through the bands of cytorrak.[/QUOTE]
Marvel always playing with my hopes of Storm learning magic.
I think it would be cool to see Magik teach Strom, seeing that Limbo Storm taught Illyana white magic
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5367419][COLOR="#A9A9A9"]I never thought of it that way.her claustrophobia is a primal fear so it could be affecting her abilities in certain ways. And we know telepaths find it difficult to read her so they might not even know. We even know that cerebri though powerful is flawed.
Yep it's really weird when people say that. Crystal though powerful has never demonstrated power 1/5 of storms. Her greatest fear was when she lifted Atilan but that is just that a city level feat. Storm has channelled power of an entire dimension and a galactic core they are not the same.[/COLOR] [B]Even in elemental prowess I noticed that Crystal control matter and Storm controls energy that governs matter.
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[COLOR="#A9A9A9"]Also did you notice that the caption states of nature rather than of weather. Or maybe I am just tripping.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
So, basically your saying Ororo can molecularly turn dirt into gold but Crystal can't, huh?
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5367596]Never thought about it before. Could her claustrophobia be keeping her from her control over earth to some degree. But she still seem to have the connection to and effect over nature, from earthquakes, volcanos, and plants life and animals.[/QUOTE]
when I was thinking about it Storm has always been a goddess of the sky even with her deep connection to mother earth. It wasn't until her sky turned to liquid water where she could fully make the connection between the two:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s0IqDrYWMwA/VxSi80TFVpI/AAAAAAAAE0Q/i22uTkdsZXM_LlSU8GRGerCTC6UnL_4XQCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO010.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.ibb.co/5TxW344/Screenshot-20210208-141726-Samsung-Internet.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5368033]For example, taking that Magic Energy which has surrounded Magic, or w/e, several posts above this one. Breaking Cytorak's binds, or the undersea/ocean feat? When she for the first time reaches to it. I've seen the one in the blackbird (I think it was or some vehicle) where she could sense the waves and current. Or that one where she controls the fire which is shot at her, is a new one. I've seen her plenty of times controlling heatwaves, heat blast, etc., but not directly fire.[/QUOTE]
yea I don't think ive see her directly control fire outside of two times.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5368227]Marvel always playing with my hopes of Storm learning magic.
I think it would be cool to see Magik teach Strom, seeing that Limbo Storm taught Illyana white magic[/QUOTE]
yea that would be cool. do you think that would be too much power?
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Storm's ability to manipulate wind and water is only second to a few in Marvel.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5368308]yea that would be cool. do you think that would be too much power?[/QUOTE]
Depends on how much she learns. Truthfully, all magic users have the potential to be OP. With her mutant powers I'm cool with her being mildly accomplished in the magical arts. Somewhere between Pixie and Doctor Strange/Magik..
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5368323]Storm's ability to manipulate wind and water is only second to a few in Marvel.
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Depends on how much she learns. Truthfully, all magic users have the potential to be OP. With her mutant powers I'm cool with her being mildly accomplished in the magical arts. Somewhere between Pixie and Doctor Strange/Magik..[/QUOTE]
thats very true in terms of their powers. if she were to display magical abilities what exactly would you like her to be able to do?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5367024]on the topic of storm latent magically abilities, she was able to channel the magical energies of several powerful mages when Magik, who is a powerful sorceress in her own right, was unable to do:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ZYlsiMBHB1B_HU8ROg9UzIqDtX2ru5RzcTJ0vMvmkeS9T0g17M7d3-al_-zZN3W9mDctV9stxvhB=s1600[/img]
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/3UiaJLCJVe7nWCbTO2vcrlktmuOLoRGfTI_SkWE0PfQoT7t9wmtLcCcDfAUwzSkVhWDHQTBUxsJh=s1600[/img]
being a potential sorceress Supreme has afforded her much including breaking through the bands of cytorrak.[/QUOTE]
Amazing! I've never seen this before!
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5368295]So, basically your saying Ororo can molecularly turn dirt into gold but Crystal can't, huh?[/QUOTE]
I stated that Crystal controls matter that's that. She has atomic control but only restricted to the particular element. Hence why she can generate fire by igniting oxygen atoms in the air. But Storm controls energy that governs phenomena this gives Storm a level of versatility and control that's impossible to usurp. This is the reason why her powers adapt to the environment that she is in because the energy at play on one planet is different from what works in another. This is the reason why I believe storms abilities can incorporate all forms of energy to create deal phenomena things like temporal storms, gravity storms among others.
Crystal is strong she controls the four elements and with effort can combine them to control the weather. But Storm controls the energies and forces behind elemental phenomena and this is extended to everywhere elemental forces exist.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5368323]Storm's ability to manipulate wind and water is only second to a few in Marvel.
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Depends on how much she learns. Truthfully, all magic users have the potential to be OP. With her mutant powers I'm cool with her being mildly accomplished in the magical arts. Somewhere between Pixie and Doctor Strange/Magik..[/QUOTE]
Ohk I am now interested in those who are stronger than Storm in water and air manipulation
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5368362]thats very true in terms of their powers. if she were to display magical abilities what exactly would you like her to be able to do?[/QUOTE]
Healing spells, embedding someone with life, minor telepathy/telekinesis, teleportation, gathering mystical energy for energy bolts and magic shields...basic magic user stuff
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5368444]Ohk I am now interested in those who are stronger than Storm in water and air manipulation[/QUOTE]
The only person I can think of who controls water is Hydro-Man and Storm already one shot him. I can't think of any air users on Storm's level.
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5368384]Amazing! I've never seen this before![/QUOTE]
Same! Who knew something good came out of IvX era
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I think the Storm/Crystal comparison is interesting, but I disagree on a couple of points, and also think Crystal needs to get some more respect on her name. I do think they are comparably versatile (with Storm’s environmental adaptability balancing that out), and based on their feats Storm is more powerful overall. But I think Crystal is extremely powerful and would rival Polaris in terms of overall level, meaning if she were a mutant she’d be a very strong Alpha. Lifting Attilan on a bed of earth (millions if not billions of tons) is one of the most impressive feats of any of earth’s elementally powered characters.
Disagree- Storm hasn’t shown the ability to control fire. It make sense that she could on certain levels, but in terms of what she’s actually done on panel at BEST we could say she can generate it. Agitating air molecules to heat up Beast, bursting the atmosphere with the heatwave attack and creating a fire or Beast taking her off planet so she wouldn’t set the atmosphere on fire supports Storm being able to create it sans lightning.
She hasn’t shown the abillity to control earth either. She has caused earthquakes and opened it up and directed lava to the surface, but that is EM field manipulation to effect the physical earth medium vs directly controlling it like Crystal.
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Let's not get it twisted Storm can bring the heat. Lol
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Lightning/plasma is the highest manifestation of fire. She could do stepped down fire if she wanted to, but why? And earth is just frozen air, or the 'hail of the ether'. All solid matter is just exhaust from stars. It's governed by electrons, which she can directly manipulate. There should be no matter beyond her control because she controls the fundamental building blocks. Thunderstorms even naturally generate anti-matter. The zero point energy just lying around is tremendous. All of that should be in her toolkit.
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Fire is a simple element, if ororo can control temperature, plasma and other forms of energy, fire is within her reach, especialy with her wind prowees.
its interesting that ororo is such a big picture esque elemental we ask ourselves she can use more pedestrian elemental displays, because normaly we start in the simple then get to the complicated, ororo is the reverse.
Also why are we discussing crystal? the omega datapage AND Death of the Inhumans have crowned a clear winner, inside and outside the pages.
let the inhumans wither to irrelevancy
About magic and ororo, heres an opinion:
she should have a lot of raw power that melts with her inherited mutant abilities, but it be interesting to see it being a chalenge to her, to funnel away the inherit magic she posses into proper spellcasting, ororo isn't a half measures person so i don't see her allowing herself not to be properly proficient in magic, not simply leaving it be so it can grow into something she has no perception or control over. (like the scarlet witch)
Im not saying she should be bad at it, but it should be a journey of hardwork, training and practise, especially if she could get a mentor on her mother's line to teach her, then it can double as a spiritual journey of enlightment as her powers are deeply conected to her sense of self and how she moves in the world.
It could create a sense of hardship without removing her powers, making her journey more relatable and emotional AND prevent her being too "op"
In a more pratical way, i feel her magic can be supportive/jack of all trade/complementary, inheritly flowing with her mutant abilities.
Like a variation of crimson bands, it takes her tons of time to master that spell to proficiency, but in combat with her hard-earned skill + her inherited powers, she can use that spell trough whatever element she is using with her mutant abilities, creating a lightning crimson bands.
Wich by excalibur IS mutant magic, the crossing of mutant energy with magic creates an X, at the center that new power is born.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5368800]Lightning/plasma is the highest manifestation of fire. She could do stepped down fire if she wanted to, but why? And earth is just frozen air, or the 'hail of the ether'. All solid matter is just exhaust from stars. It's governed by electrons, which she can directly manipulate. There should be no matter beyond her control because she controls the fundamental building blocks. Thunderstorms even naturally generate anti-matter. The zero point energy just lying around is tremendous. All of that should be in her toolkit.[/QUOTE]
Exactly she controls the fundamentals that determines weather this is why her elemental powers are soo potent there is no elemental being that can out maneuver her in control if written well. Because as I pointed out in other forums she controls all fundamental forces, energy and elements that govern weather in the universe. On earth we have a idea that weather is tornadoes, thunderstorms and the like. But storm's power allows her to go beyond that due to the nature of her powers. I really believe she can make storms of magic or temporal storms. Heck if she can apply kinetic energy behind wind to nanobots to control them directly as components then there is very little she can't control.
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5368384]Amazing! I've never seen this before![/QUOTE]
I'm surprised many haven't seen it but it was the ivx era so maybe not so much considering that lol.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5368504]Healing spells, embedding someone with life, minor telepathy/telekinesis, teleportation, gathering mystical energy for energy bolts and magic shields...basic magic user stuff
The only person I can think of who controls water is Hydro-Man and Storm already one shot him. I can't think of any air users on Storm's level.[/QUOTE]
ooh I love the idea of healing spells. that sounds like something that would fit nicely.
I also like the idea of ferro that she should take time to learn this and seeing she doesn't have experience really with magic I wouldn't oppose to it being difficult for her to use.
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is a storm solo brewing???
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et0NkqSXMAcdES5?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5369854]is a storm solo brewing???
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et0NkqSXMAcdES5?format=jpg&name=large[/img][/QUOTE]
Ooooo this sounds exciting! *runs off to find appropriate gif*
And even more awesome if it is what you think it is and RD is handling the art! <3
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5369854]is a storm solo brewing???
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et0NkqSXMAcdES5?format=jpg&name=large[/img][/QUOTE]
Question: Can Storm and has Storm ever made her face appear in the environment as shown in this pic?
