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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5755338]Eww who is the artist cause babaaaaaaay! Storm with that wide ass mouth and hard face...i can't[/QUOTE]
Overall i like the artist. I love that he added ethnic features to characters and that is one of the hardest things to do and get to fit proportionally on the face, especially if you aren't use to necessarily doing it. With some time this artist will be one to watch imo.
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We see Tarn astonishment puff along with his questioning. An arakki would not be so surprised if it were a small thing.
Tarn feared the Storm, Al Ewing is preparing something really cool for her, I just don't know where this plot of hers involving Amenth issues will be approached since SWORD only goes until issue #11[/QUOTE]
Maybe the pink light on him was his instinct kicking in because i kept looking at the page like where is that pink light from him coming from. It can't be storm tentacles.
I would love to have seen this fight, or at least know who Ororo was dueling with..
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Same here.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5755380]I would love to have seen this fight, or at least know who Ororo was dueling with..
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It wazz her doppelgänger Horror Monroe, the bizzarro Storm.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5755347]Maybe the pink light on him was his instinct kicking in because i kept looking at the page like where is that pink light from him coming from. It can't be storm tentacles.[/QUOTE]
It's not the pink light I'm talking about, nor had noticed it. I talk about the expression on his face, the panic in his bulging eyes, the amazement that storm could continue the battle even without its mutated powers. He's a psionic mutant, he probably must have figured something out.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5755380]I would love to have seen this fight, or at least know who Ororo was dueling with..
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Dude, it seems like an internal conflict, she had to fight against her past principles, an identity fight, things like that.
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5755456]It's not the pink light I'm talking about, nor had noticed it. I talk about the expression on his face, the panic in his bulging eyes, the amazement that storm could continue the battle even without its mutated powers. He's a psionic mutant, he probably must have figured something out.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah i understood your posts, was just adding when i was reading i was wondering where the pink highlight was coming from as it matches the color of his eye signature but there shouldn't be anything reflecting on him that color, even storm tentacle. more just something i was wondering when i was reading the issue. i'm a details kind of guy sometime. lol
[QUOTE=jwatson;5755462]Oh yeah i understood your posts, was just adding when i was reading i was wondering where the pink highlight was coming from as it matches the color of his eye signature but there shouldn't be anything reflecting on him that color, even storm tentacle. more just something i was wondering when i was reading the issue. i'm a details kind of guy sometime. lol[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, true...
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5755395]Same here.[/QUOTE]
It's a shame, but I understand that there were just a few pages, there wasn't much to do...
[QUOTE=Daedra;5755423]It wazz her doppelgänger Horror Monroe, the bizzarro Storm.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I found it very symbolic "fighting your past self."
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5755460]Dude, it seems like an internal conflict, she had to fight against her past principles, an identity fight, things like that.[/QUOTE]
oh yes, the way it was written, Tarn asking if Ororo ever faced a challenge, it was a flasback, of her fighting someone who tried to haunt her with her past(?) To conquer the Seat, Regent of Arakko
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5754842]I find it very hard to believe if tarn encountered a baseline human he would helpless and unable to modify their biological matter in any way. im pretty sure that is not what the creators at marvel intended especially considering he is an omega mutant.
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Ok so I’ve given it some more thought and you’re right. Manipulating the genes of only mutants wouldn’t make sense because there’s only one gene that causes “X-gene” yet he seemingly manipulated Storm’s whole genetic makeup. Once he deactivated her X gene she technically was no longer a mutant but he still was able to morph her back to normal. This suggests to me that his specific omega power is “genetic manipulation” This would differentiate him from Elixir who manipulates all biological life, but genetic manipulation is still a powerful ability that could have no upper limit so it would make sense.
The art for SWORD #8 is an abomination and completely undercuts what could've been another solid entry in the "Storm is a badass" vault of X-Men comics. My interest was definitely peaked with Tarn suggesting Storm's got ties to Amenth. I got a strong feeling it's Ewing getting ready to expand on the goddess aspect of Storm's heritage by linking her ancestors back to those early generations of Arrako/Okkara. Wouldn't be surprised if one of Storm's ancestors was worshipped by the Arraki at some point. Or if she's somehow connected to the dark magic of Annihilation itself.
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5754680]Friend this is a question that is intriguing us. We are raising hypotheses, and one of them is that Storm did not see the need to use her divine powers because she herself claims that just a knife would be enough to end his life, the second of the hypotheses is that he realized he could not kill storm as there is much more to her than just her mutant powers, her mystical side for example... that's why he said that she probably also belongs to Amenth.[/QUOTE]
As jwatson mentioned, this is a Mutant Duel, and it was Historically Recorded. If she went full Goddess, the fight would have been considered to be a cheating win. So this was the only other outcome that Ewing could think of. Of course, I would have loved to see their Omega Powers clash and shake the entire arena and planet. That would have been an epic battle before Tarn went and mend her gene. I think if the fight were of bigger magnitude, this would have been a solid Omega feat.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5754843]No it wouldn't. his mutant power is still omega because he can change mutants in an undefinable way just like storm manipulated weather in an undefinable way that can't be measured.
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You forget that when Tarn took away her mutation, she became an average human. If Tarn couldn't affect human DNA, he wouldn't be able to amend Storm's DNA back to her mutation. I believe BFK is right here. Tarn is an omega level mutant in genes modification. He should not only be able to amend the mutant DNA but humans too or any other beings (like gods, aliens, etc.). Otherwise, what is the point of the omega level rank? Furthermore, I believe Tarn can create mutants, but not everyone can survive the process. I would like to see this as a story in the future.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5755564]The art for SWORD #8 is an abomination and completely undercuts what could've been another solid entry in the "Storm is a badass" vault of X-Men comics. My interest was definitely peaked with Tarn suggesting Storm's got ties to Amenth. I got a strong feeling it's Ewing getting ready to expand on the goddess aspect of Storm's heritage by linking her ancestors back to those early generations of Arrako/Okkara. Wouldn't be surprised if one of Storm's ancestors was worshipped by the Arraki at some point. Or if she's somehow connected to the dark magic of Annihilation itself.[/QUOTE]
I have mixed feelings about the art. There were some good traits which I liked but there were some really creepy, haunting ones, as well. On art, I am probably 70/30 maybe, where 30 is in the likes and 70 is in the dislikes.
You forget there is another 70% of the world it is not just the NCSA region. The EMEA region the SWORD issue is ranked as 8th in sales currently:
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[URL="https://youtu.be/IvlUo0FWyr0"]https://youtu.be/IvlUo0FWyr0[/URL]
This is a great recap video if anyone is interested. Blerd loves him some Storm lol. The comments section is a love letter as well. Despite all viable qualms, I think this was a great week for Storm.
Also, just my two cents, I’ve seen many people saying they don’t trust the look that Khora was giving Storm at the end, which I can understand since it could be seen as a sinister “smirk”. That’s not the impression I got when I first read it though. I got the feeling that that little smile was in reference to the declarative affirmation Ororo was asking of her. It showed Ororo saying “No” and then in the panel with Khora smiling it showed Storm saying “He wouldn’t do that, would he? That would be an insult.” I saw Khora smiling at that as a mark of pride in Storm because she understands the Arakki culture and way of thinking. She understood that to the Arakki, enhancing or changing someone’s power would be an ultimate sign of disrespect as the Arakki people value power as their “mutant weapon”(not “gift” as Krakoan mutants say) above all else. It would have been disrespect for him to suggest that she “needed” an upgrade. And Khora was proud Ororo knew and understood that. That’s how I saw it at least!
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This is a great recap video if anyone is interested. Blerd loves him some Storm lol. The comments section is a love letter as well. Despite all viable qualms, I think this was a great week for Storm.
Also, just my two cents, I’ve seen many people saying they don’t trust the look that Khora was giving Storm at the end, which I can understand since it could be seen as a sinister “smirk”. That’s not the impression I got when I first read it though. I got the feeling that that little smile was in reference to the declarative affirmation Ororo was asking of her. It showed Ororo saying “No” and then in the panel with Khora smiling it showed Storm saying “He wouldn’t do that, would he? That would be an insult.” I saw Khora smiling at that as a mark of pride in Storm because she understands the Arakki culture and way of thinking. She understood that to the Arakki, enhancing or changing someone’s power would be an ultimate sign of disrespect as the Arakki people value power as their “mutant weapon”(not “gift” as Krakoan mutants say) above all else. It would have been disrespect for him to suggest that she “needed” an upgrade. And Khora was proud Ororo knew and understood that. That’s how I saw it at least![/QUOTE]
Interesting take on that specific panel but then again why her eyes were glowing and she was using her powers while she was smirking?
[QUOTE=jwatson;5755342]Overall i like the artist. I love that he added ethnic features to characters and that is one of the hardest things to do and get to fit proportionally on the face, especially if you aren't use to necessarily doing it. With some time this artist will be one to watch imo.[/QUOTE]
Dautterman does am ethnic storm and poc mutants without making then look like pseudo monkeys. The artist is bad end of story. She looked different from panel to panel.
[QUOTE=Ororo101;5755605][URL="https://youtu.be/IvlUo0FWyr0"]https://youtu.be/IvlUo0FWyr0[/URL]
This is a great recap video if anyone is interested. Blerd loves him some Storm lol. The comments section is a love letter as well. Despite all viable qualms, I think this was a great week for Storm.
Also, just my two cents, I’ve seen many people saying they don’t trust the look that Khora was giving Storm at the end, which I can understand since it could be seen as a sinister “smirk”. That’s not the impression I got when I first read it though. I got the feeling that that little smile was in reference to the declarative affirmation Ororo was asking of her. It showed Ororo saying “No” and then in the panel with Khora smiling it showed Storm saying “He wouldn’t do that, would he? That would be an insult.” I saw Khora smiling at that as a mark of pride in Storm because she understands the Arakki culture and way of thinking. She understood that to the Arakki, enhancing or changing someone’s power would be an ultimate sign of disrespect as the Arakki people value power as their “mutant weapon”(not “gift” as Krakoan mutants say) above all else. It would have been disrespect for him to suggest that she “needed” an upgrade. And Khora was proud Ororo knew and understood that. That’s how I saw it at least![/QUOTE]
Khora's eyes were glowing red as she smirked that is an added detail that changes the meaning because the question storm asked her wasn't answered.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5755626]Dautterman does am ethnic storm and poc mutants without making then look like pseudo monkeys. The artist is bad end of story. She looked different from panel to panel.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I didn't want to go there and say it, but this. That art should never have made it past quality control. Storm did look simian and I don't ever want a poc to look like that given the racial connotations of the past. I know that was not the artist's intent at all, but that's what I saw when I looked at some of the panels.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5755626]Dautterman does am ethnic storm and poc mutants without making then look like pseudo monkeys. The artist is bad end of story. She looked different from panel to panel.[/QUOTE]
my god how much racism reproduction.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5755615]Interesting take on that specific panel but then again why her eyes were glowing and she was using her powers while she was smirking?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5755632]Khora's eyes were glowing red as she smirked that is an added detail that changes the meaning because the question storm asked her wasn't answered.[/QUOTE]
I see, that is an interesting detail but weren’t her eyes also glowing/red when she saw Ororo arrive at the Circle Perilous? I didn’t think she was using her powers then because I thought her power was mutant power amplification and energy transferral, so I didn’t see how it would apply in these situations if being used. Also in all other appearances we’ve seen her and on her Marvel data page she normally has black eyes with red irises. So I wonder why the artist here rendered her with brown irises in the beginning?
Also I read Storm’s question to Khora as being more rhetorical than an actual question so maybe that also explains why I saw it differently. She wasn’t looking for an answer, it was more of an affirmative statement in the form of a rhetorical question that Khora gave a silent smile to as a response. Which is why Ororo just kept talking afterwards and didn’t wait for her to answer.
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5755708]my god how much racism reproduction.[/QUOTE]
I hope we get a different artist in the next books cause that was very triggering to see.
That's how I read that closing scene as well.
Storm knows he didn't "boost" her powers and just needed confirmation (from Taki) that he set her powers back as they were as that would be the respectable thing to do as he himself gained new-found respect for her as the Regent of Arakko.
And...As she herself understood...to do otherwise would be insulting. It was an observation made on the Tarn but also the Arakki as a people. This issue was a character study of both Storm and the Arakki.
Given how the story played out...Ewing was just underscoring that Storm was 100% herself in power and body.
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5755708]my god how much racism reproduction.[/QUOTE]
What racism?
The artist is quite capable of drawing black features. Broad noses, full lips. (yes there are black people who look like the characters he drew).
I didn't like the inconsistency from page to page nor his particular style but to say that he rendered Storm in a racist manner is beyond reaching.
[QUOTE=Ororo101;5755748]I see, that is an interesting detail but weren’t her eyes also glowing/red when she saw Ororo arrive at the Circle Perilous? I didn’t think she was using her powers then because I thought her power was mutant power amplification and energy transferral, so I didn’t see how it would apply in these situations if being used. Also in all other appearances we’ve seen her and on her Marvel data page she normally has black eyes with red irises. So I wonder why the artist here rendered her with brown irises in the beginning?
Also I read Storm’s question to Khora as being more rhetorical than an actual question so maybe that also explains why I saw it differently. She wasn’t looking for an answer, it was more of an affirmative statement in the form of a rhetorical question that Khora gave a silent smile to as a response. Which is why Ororo just kept talking afterwards and didn’t wait for her to answer.[/QUOTE]
Go back to where storm was fighting calderak. Khora's eyes. Went from gold to red and she saw things frenzy couldn't Iike a snowflake. This was for shadowing as the next time we see her with these eyes storm is asking her about if tarn has tampered with her in anyway.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5755818]Go back to where storm was fighting calderak. Khora's eyes. Went from gold to red and she saw things frenzy couldn't Iike a snowflake. This was for shadowing as the next time we see her with these eyes storm is asking her about if tarn has tampered with her in anyway.
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No yeah, I saw that! That’s why I said I wonder why the artist rendered her eyes gold/brown in the beginning, because in previous SWORD, X-men, and the Cable: Reloaded issue her eyes were always black with red irises. Whether she was using her powers or not. So it’s a bit confusing.
Also if you look closer at the two pages, Khora eyes are fully red and bright in the panel where she notices Ororo. In the panel at the end her eyes look more normal for her with black surrounding the red irises. So even those two don’t look completely the same. So I guess we’ll see! It’d be interesting to see if Khora has any sinister motives when it comes to Storm, that’s just not the vibe I’m getting. Just curious, what do you think Khora could be doing with her powers at the end? Are her powers not power augmentation and energy transferral?
To be honest the art for this issue was full of inconsistencies, maybe there’s some underlying plot point that may explain it all but As it stands I feel like we are reading too much into it……. Ooooh well time will tell
One thing i have to say i'm happy about, i'm glad all Ewing has to do is fill in the blanks. Our girl is one of the few characters who hasn't had to go through retcon after retcon after retcon to be what she was. her potential was always their we saw it in rogue storm and i hope it gets explored to the max. All this NEW history characters have to get to remain relevant and she still doing it, even when they weren't putting the story out there. I mean even in this era if we honest we barely saw her but she is a character that makes every appearance matter.
And i'm not touching that monkey stuff with a ten foot pole. The mystique pic was kind of blantant because she was changing into an ape and never had etnic features but ya'll doing too much there.
edit: i am going to touch it. It shows absolute blatant ignorance imo. And how some look at things from face value and see color and hop on that bandwagon. Monkeys don't even have lips let alone full ones, they have wide mouths. And i have never seen a black person, not saying they don't exist, gather close to that much hair on any part of their body. And that's all i'm going to say.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5755876]One thing i have to say i'm happy about, i'm glad all Ewing has to do is fill in the blanks. [b]Our girl is one of the few characters who hasn't had to go through retcon after retcon after retcon to be what she was. her potential was always their we saw it in rogue storm and i hope it gets explored to the max.[/b] All this NEW history characters have to get to remain relevant and she still doing it, even when they weren't putting the story out there. I mean even in this era if we honest we barely saw her but she is a character that makes every appearance matter.
And i'm not touching that monkey stuff with a ten foot pole. The mystique pic was kind of blantant because she was changing into an ape and never had etnic features but ya'll doing too much there.
edit: i am going to touch it. It shows absolute blatant ignorance imo. And how some look at things from face value and see color and hop on that bandwagon. Monkeys don't even have lips let alone full ones, they have wide mouths. And i have never seen a black person, not saying they don't exist, gather close to that much hair on any part of their body. And that's all i'm going to say.[/QUOTE]
Excellent point in the bold. Its what I appreciate about her mythos that from the very beginning she was powerful, in full control of her abilities and a "goddess".
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5755891]Excellent point in the bold. Its what I appreciate about her mythos that from the very beginning she was powerful, in full control of her abilities and a "goddess".[/QUOTE]
Marvel full on acknowledging her divinity was always going to be a thing that happens. She gets named here and there but Hadari yao hasn't made any major appearances only for like a few panels on two issues. It's not a matter of if but when and I would like them to hurry on with it and do so in my lifetime.
[QUOTE=Daedra;5755867]To be honest the art for this issue was full of inconsistencies, maybe there’s some underlying plot point that may explain it all but As it stands I feel like we are reading too much into it……. Ooooh well time will tell[/QUOTE]
Like I said maybe I am tripping but Ewing is too much of a master writer to leave such glaring inconsistencies something is bubbling in the pot I can feel it. The only thing that makes me weary is that something though pleasant will still be unexpected and might throw some of us off.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5755626]Dautterman does am ethnic storm and poc mutants without making then look like pseudo monkeys. The artist is bad end of story. She looked different from panel to panel.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Ya'll be saying some crazy shit on here.
[QUOTE=Jalysia;5755914]Wow. Ya'll be saying some crazy shit on here.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me but where is the lie? The panel where she arrives to the circle perilous to fight tarn and the last panels as she is in the rain are especially atrocious. As a black person it really threw me off and triggered me. The artist should go take it easy when drawing ethnic features because from the looks of khora ND Isca he can do a better job than he did with storm.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5756028]Excuse me but where is the lie? The panel where she arrives to the circle perilous to fight tarn and the last panels as she is in the rain are especially atrocious. As a black person it really threw me off and triggered me. The artist should go take it easy when drawing ethnic features because from the looks of khora ND Isca he can do a better job than he did with storm.[/QUOTE]
So how does a full lip, brown skinned, hairless black woman look like a monkey. As a fellow black person i worry for you if you look at a book with our features that some may look close to that in real life and your thought was similar color, ignore the anatomy and what i know of my own people and how we actually look. I mean saying you don't expect Storm to look like that is one thing but to feel there is some real truth in such a statement makes me feel you need to hear your beautiful.
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Look at this art and tell me it's a proper representation of black features. Like her face literally morphs between panels. The artist didn't do a good job end of story! They should fore them and get a better one cause this shit is borderline offensive.
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Look at this art and tell me it's a proper representation of black features. Like her face literally morphs between panels. The artist didn't do a good job end of story! They should fore them and get a better one cause this shit is borderline offensive.[/QUOTE]
Yes the features were all over the place but i would have thought swollen faced older black woman, not the animal you were trained to connect your own kind to when it literally makes no sense both scientifically and visually.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5756051]Yes the features were all over the place but i would have thought swollen faced older black woman, not the animal you were trained to connect your own kind to when it literally makes no sense both scientifically and visually.[/QUOTE]
Yh because storm is a swollen faced middle aged woman? The art is bad the artist needs to go end of story don't drag this longer than it needs to go so a better one can replace him cause this simply ain't it.
Also this is the same thing I saw with jeans face during grant Morrison's run some of the art was horrendous and she looked like botched house elf from Harry Potter.
I live in Africa I am aware of black people's very varied facial features but this ain't it it looks bad and borderline animalistic. I haven't even brought the panel where she arrives to the circle to fight tarn cause that just looks abominable.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5756059]Yh because storm is a swollen faced middle aged woman? The art is bad the artist needs to go end of story don't drag this longer than it needs to go so a better one can replace him cause this simply ain't it.
Also this is the same thing I saw with jeans face during grant Morrison's run some of the art was horrendous and she looked like botched house elf from Harry Potter.
I live in Africa I am aware of black people's very varied facial features but this ain't it it looks bad and borderline animalistic. I haven't even brought the panel where she arrives to the circle to fight tarn cause that just looks abominable.[/QUOTE]
That explains it a bit. I can see how someone from Africa can have a westernized view of how black people can be viewed because they wish it and i get where you were coming from now.
Yes the art was inconsistent, and yes i understand that you would prefer another artist. I think the artist has potential but i can get your offense abstractly.
At the end of the day I think it's a good thing that the worst thing people can say about the issue is that the art was trash.