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[QUOTE=Stormy;5669946]Yes, but don't take it literally, Iceman was able to stop the kinetic energy (movement) of light, if you want to know more about that, recommend see these two links.
[url]https://gizmodo.com/scientists-freeze-light-for-an-entire-minute-912634479[/url]
[url]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/cryomodeste/blog/iceman-freezing-speed-of-light-explained/134072/[/url][/QUOTE]
Yh that's more accurate and just as impressive
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[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5669882]But this is NOT Jean using the Phoenix, this is Jean's power alone. And she does not want to intrude nor hurt her friend.[/QUOTE]
yes it was.
phoenix AND Cerebro actually:
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her mind was able to host the entirety of eternity. Claremont established many moons ago that her will was one the strongest in the mu and many writers just choose to ignore that.
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[QUOTE=Mercury;5669903]1. She was not possessed by the Phoenix.
2. That was a friendly probe, if you will. That would be like Jean putting up a telekinetic shield and Storm attempting to manipulate a cool breeze around Jean only to note, “My breezes aren’t touching you because of your telekinetic shield.” That doesn’t mean Storm couldn’t manipulate gale force winds that would break through Jean’s force field, just that she isn’t choosing to be so forceful. In either case, Jean did what she did in X-Men: Red and that’s canon.
3. Again, Emma, who is not as strong as Jean, was able to remove Storm’s psyche from her body.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669940]Bruh jean and the pheonix are two separate beings what jean does by the pheonix is not jean doing it. On her own she is strong enough but y'all trying to amalgamate them together makes jean look pathetic on her own and leading to this impression amongst comic book fans that without the pheonix she is weak when she is an actual omega.
It's not nitpicking it's giving advice on how to not make an argument when it comes to jeans abilities which without the pheonix are amazing on their own too.[/QUOTE]
Jean didn’t need the Phoenix Force nor was she in possession of it when she took down Storm, who was out of control, mind you, i.e., she wasn’t holding back, in X-Men: Red.
Frankly, I prefer Jean to be distinguished from the Phoenix Force. She doesn’t need it to siphon psychic energy or to become a being of pure psionic force; she does that all on her own, along with knocking Gladiator, a gang of Silver Surfers, and Galactus on their asses.
I’ve realized why these debates go nowhere. While I am fine with admitting Jean and Storm are equals, some in this thread feel the need to proclaim that Storm has no equal, which is laughable.
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Now since when did this thread become Storm and friends? Take that mess outta here please. Have some respect for she who swam with Acanti, the Wind Rider, Hadari Yao, Regent Of Mars and the Voice of Sol!!
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669932]Yh that makes sense because she has spent time with one of the most powerful telepathic ability in the world she has a handle on how to counter it should she meet it. The problem is that the writer's enjoy forgetting this, lazy writing if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. I don't keep receipts but i do keep my xmen dvd file on a computer.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5669710]Jean Grey braiding Ororo's hair from halfway around the planet was most impressive.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mercury;5669725]That was Jean being gentle. Like with Carol Danvers, she didn’t want to “fry her synapses.”[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mercury;5669903]1. She was not possessed by the Phoenix.
2. That was a friendly probe, if you will. That would be like Jean putting up a telekinetic shield and Storm attempting to manipulate a cool breeze around Jean only to note, “My breezes aren’t touching you because of your telekinetic shield.” That doesn’t mean Storm couldn’t manipulate gale force winds that would break through Jean’s force field, just that she isn’t choosing to be so forceful. In either case, Jean did what she did in X-Men: Red and that’s canon.
3. Again, Emma, who is not as strong as Jean, was able to remove Storm’s psyche from her body.[/QUOTE]
1. please see the last post. she had phoenix and cerebro. Ororo even comments and alludes to she wasn't able to do stuff on that magnitude since phoenix.
2. no it took a great amount of effort. both ororo and Jean agree on this as the scans I've posted demonstrates.
3. she did that with a gun and their bodies were switched. what issue did she remove storms psyche because if you are talking about uncanny when they body swapped that wasn't correct.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669950]yes it was.
phoenix AND Cerebro acryually:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/SYG98KmBCVuIyuT7HhzDgNHt7LOMqGzAvyZ6_5Em0VnaXPo_GrOt83VSn7H1ZjvJqo8LZUmIlKCh=s1600[/img]
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her mind was able to hist the entirety of eternity. Claremont established many moons ago that her will was one the strongest in the mu and many writers just choose to ignore that.[/QUOTE]
Yes, this was during the time Jean hosted the Phoenix, but she was not using it at that moment is what I meant. But yes, she was using Cerebro because Jean's X-Men team had all been infected with blood nanosites by Cassandra Nova, that is why Jean is tired. The nanosites were affecting them on a cellular level.
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5669946]Yes, but don't take it literally, Iceman was able to stop the kinetic energy (movement) of light, if you want to know more about that, recommend see these two links.
[url]https://gizmodo.com/scientists-freeze-light-for-an-entire-minute-912634479[/url]
[url]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/cryomodeste/blog/iceman-freezing-speed-of-light-explained/134072/[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks, but I'd prefer the title and issue so I can see and read said power stunt first hand.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5669927]Don't nitpick it makes you appear desperate...[/QUOTE]
aren't you the authority on posting claims canonically sound? please go reared x-treme xmen issue 9. thats not nitpicking thats stating the facts. you wishing to characterize it as such however does make you look desperate.
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The ridiculousness of it all is dawning on me now and I can’t stop laughing…
The Phoenix Force needed to use Cerebra and Storm’s psyche was expelled from her own body with a gun. 😂 🤣😂🤣
Nighty night.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669943]Oh that changes the whole storm vs sue debate since I was under the impression that her power couldn't penetrate.[/QUOTE]
distractors like to provide explanations for the showing; they will say sue let her use powers through her shoeld but nothing in that issue ever claimed as such.
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5669957]Yes, this was during the time Jean hosted the Phoenix, but she was not using it at that moment is what I meant. But yes, she was using Cerebro because Jean's X-Men team had all been infected with blood nanosites by Cassandra Nova, that is why Jean is tired. The nanosites were affecting them on a cellular level.[/QUOTE]
please reread the issue my friend storm comments that Jean wasn't able to do that since she had phoenix and Jean essentially tells her she is correct. those scans I posted show that.
funny how you went to saying she wasn't possessed by ohoenix to then changing to she wasn't tired after I posted the proof. lol
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[QUOTE=Mercury;5669962]The ridiculousness of it all is dawning on me now and I can’t stop laughing…
The Phoenix Force needed to use Cerebra and Storm’s psyche was expelled from her own body with a gun. 😂 🤣😂🤣
Nighty night.[/QUOTE]
ironically her powers were taken with a gun too. lol
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[QUOTE=Mercury;5669962]The ridiculousness of it all is dawning on me now and I can’t stop laughing…
The Phoenix Force needed to use Cerebra and Storm’s psyche was expelled from her own body with a gun.
Nighty night.[/QUOTE]
storms powers were neutralized with a gun by forge so villains using technology to do extraordinary things in a comicbook shouldn't be surprising.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5669965]ironically her powers were taken with a gun too. lol[/QUOTE]
technically her powers were still there she just didnt have conscious and direct access to them:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/HeUYPTeMbSXnlKGel1CuZmM4_h_ockq6k1aVLE9gmJgxXGZIqsIwwTsWZ8djT6NS-60RJIKSymkC=s1600[/img]