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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5662144]To be able to stop a storm a telekinetic must be able to stop the full power of thousands of nuclear bombs at once! Casually repeatedly because that's the energy of a storm per hour. Unless you are a cosmic entity or a god tier telekinetic you have no hope in hell of survival if storm actually tries against you. That's why when Betsy had amped TK sooo strong that Rachel with the pheonix echo couldn't match storm could easily shut her down. Why because the energy and forces storm controls on average are even A problem for god tier telepaths now imagine if she is angry or she actually unleashes.[/QUOTE]
If you read my entire post you would have found out that I am actually agreeing that she can't block or stop a raw storm. Please read the full post before commenting.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5662421]yes. remember the original showing with her doing the solar winds against the sentinel was essentially retconned in classic xmen. allegedly this was done to correct an error with the Phoenix story because if she could control solar winds she could have saved the team from the radiation that ultimately resulted in the Phoenix saga. the scan above reinforcing this by saying she reached her limit. as she told cyclops many moons ago she has always been in full control of her powers so she should be able to control the solar winds in a manner that wouldn't affect the ship, just as she was able to fly on them in space without harming her space suit.[/QUOTE]
Marvel knows she can. Which is why in the what-if Storm was phoenix...she manipulated solars winds to save herself
It makes no sense to keep trying to disconnect her powers and then have her manipulate gamma rays on a planetary scale to block gamma rays from the sun from destroying Earth.
As I said before Storm is a part of a team. You do not want a team member to be much more powerful than the others.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5662478]Marvel knows she can. Which is why in the what-if Storm was phoenix...she manipulated solars winds to save herself
It makes no sense to keep trying to disconnect her powers and then have her manipulate gamma rays on a planetary scale to block gamma rays from the sun from destroying Earth.
As I said before Storm is a part of a team. You do not want a team member to be much more powerful than the others.[/QUOTE]
this is why I think she would benefit having a solo. you put her on a team with characters with overlapping abilities and all we will get is lightning lass.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5662488]Like only the storm goddess can.
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damn right!!! nice pic boo!
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5662513]damn right!!! nice pic boo![/QUOTE]
thanks. appreciate it.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5662518]thanks. appreciate it.[/QUOTE]
thank you boo. can I make a request? a sketch of her and doom to commemorate the sword issue?
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5662478]Marvel knows she can. Which is why in the what-if Storm was phoenix...she manipulated solars winds to save herself
It makes no sense to keep trying to disconnect her powers and then have her manipulate gamma rays on a planetary scale to block gamma rays from the sun from destroying Earth.
As I said before [B]Storm is a part of a team. You do not want a team member to be much more powerful than the others.[/B][/QUOTE]
Exactatiously...at least not so much so that in-story that one character does all the heavy lifting...that's just poor writing.
The power display dynamic is different from a team book to a solo title.
For the sake of a story and the other team members...substantially powerful characters will not usually unleash their full potential (unless the story, villain or scene specifically calls for it) so as to give everyone in the story their due presence. In a solo book however...because the character is basically on their own...the writers can pull out all the stops, as it were, and go a little crazy.
I read that scene in X-Men 01 as not indicative of the limits of her powers but rather the limits of the upper atmosphere where her winds can actively support Warren and the Glider without Storm pushing herself.
Plus...It was a stealth mission...utilising solar winds might have been too "noisy" and probably not safe for Warren or the Glider as they are highly radioactive requiring stronger shield protections. etc.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5662584]Had a little free time for a quick one. [ATTACH=CONFIG]112116[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
dsmn you're good and fast too i love it!! thanks boo! very nice.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5662478]Marvel knows she can. Which is why in the what-if Storm was phoenix...she manipulated solars winds to save herself
It makes no sense to keep trying to disconnect her powers and then have her manipulate gamma rays on a planetary scale to block gamma rays from the sun from destroying Earth.
As I said before Storm is a part of a team. You do not want a team member to be much more powerful than the others.[/QUOTE]
And glory be that she is now out of the team. Because there is something sad about a person as powerful as storm wasting her potential throwing lightning here and there and blowing gusts of wind, this new position and Ewing have stressed the importance of demonstrating how powerful she truly is hopefully we see that with versatility of her powerset.
My ick with this is this:
yh she was and even to a large extent still is part of a team but if you say marvel knows she can manipulate solar winds I am going to say JDW senior editor of the xoffice didn't even know storm could control energy behind weather phenomena, he thought she couldn't manipulate solar wind that she used lightning to stop the sentinel in space. He was dragged and educated on the charachter on Twitter dutifully but this simply showed something in the xoffice and the X-Monday with Ewing hammered it in, they do not think about storm and her capabilities! I mean Ewing stated he has spend a good amount of time thinking up weather feats but the rest? Aside Pak with the Aurora and magnetic fields and coates with the fleet feat all that storm does powerwise feels uncreative. I stated that we as stormfans don't necessarily want her destroying galaxies and stuff we just want versatility, creativity, iceman controls just one element in storms vast arsenal yet look at how far he has come and how undeniable his power over ice is to all comic book fans. But storm doesn't have the same luxury especially with Thor still roaming around. If you say the most powerful weather manipulator in marvel is you will get many comic book fans say it's Thor a majority infact, and that's not really their fault because xoffice cannot even give her defence with lightning or wind, it just looks like she can just fly and shoot lightning and make rain. She deserves more she deserves better.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5662133]I didn't I actually enjoyed your post.... It makes sense because she has absolute dominion over all forces and energies that govern weather and gravity literally holds the whole thing down. If she can control the magnetic fields that shield the atmosphere then she definitely can manipulate the gravity that holds it. But here is the real question and why I was like if Ewing gave us a data page I will be very happy so we know just how deep her power goes. Deductions are fun but ultimately if not supported by cannon are just a binding exercise. But then again the mystery has been intriguing[/QUOTE]
Storm takes full advantage against psychic opponents, only to later be poorly written and fall against psychic attacks, or is dominated, which is very frustrating, especially when forced into debates.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5662488]Like only the storm goddess can.
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Omg, this draft is getting beautiful, I can't wait to see it when it's done!!
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5662651]Storm takes full advantage against psychic opponents, only to later be poorly written and fall against psychic attacks, or is dominated, which is very frustrating, especially when forced into debates.
Omg, this draft is getting beautiful, I can't wait to see it when it's done!![/QUOTE]
Storm's resistance to telepathy and indomitable will is so inconsistently written. If we look at Claremont writings both in his first iteration of uncanny and beyond that he showed just how hard it is to enter her mind but modern writers mostly ignore this.
I will say however that we she just how strong her resistance is in the first giant size issue with Emma and Jean. I thought that was an excellent showing of her mental defenses.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5662662]Storm's resistance to telepathy and indomitable will is so inconsistently written. If we look at Claremont writings both in his first iteration of uncanny and beyond that he showed just how hard it is to enter her mind but modern writers mostly ignore this.
I will say however that we she just how strong her resistance is in the first giant size issue with Emma and Jean. I thought that was an excellent showing of her mental defenses.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that they forgot that Storm has a powerful will power able to get out of psychic controls on her own.
How I miss the moments when your powers could cause pain in telepaths :|
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5662144]To be able to stop a storm [B]a telekinetic must be able to stop the full power of thousands of nuclear bombs at once![/B] Casually repeatedly because that's the energy of a storm per hour. Unless you are a cosmic entity or a god tier telekinetic you have no hope in hell of survival if storm actually tries against you. That's why when Betsy had amped TK sooo strong that Rachel with the pheonix echo couldn't match storm could easily shut her down. Why because the energy and forces storm controls on average are even A problem for god tier telepaths now imagine if she is angry or she actually unleashes.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, I had no idea that a storm carries all this energy, a secret of mine is that I'm a little afraid of storms, thunder lol
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5662740]The problem is that they forgot that Storm has a powerful will power able to get out of psychic controls on her own.
How I miss the moments when your powers could cause pain in telepaths :|[/QUOTE]
did they forget or do they think having such abilities was not a correct aspect of her skill set?
either way I think there has been ample enough evidence to show she shouldn't just be getting plowed over by telepaths as easily as some writers would have you believe.
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I can admit that because she was his favourite...Claremont in certain instances wrote her as an overpowered Deus Ex...and there's nothing wrong with that...ALL writers do so with their favourites. The problem comes when other writers now have to either take into consideration what the previous writer did/said or ignore it to an extent so as to tell their own story or ...ignore that character entirely because they just won't fit the narrative.
The question then becomes...
How do you write convincing conflict using a character that's seemingly overpowered, without it being contrived? (As we've seen so many times...with regards to Storm where she wasn't the main star of the story.)
As with David Liss' BP MWF the only objective way he could have written that run is to really set up the situation with T'Challa not having Storm present. I didn't much care for it but I understood why he wrote it as such.
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hmmmm i think there are ways that these stories can be written where it it us realistic. I think you mainly handle this by playing up the humanity part of storm or put her against threats or in scenarios that live up to her power levels. seeing storm have trouble with street leveler opponents will never makes sense unless someone she was caught off guard or if she lost her powers. put her against characters who are omega level threats then I believe you have a story that won't read as contrived.
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5662752]Holy shit, I had no idea that a storm carries all this energy, a secret of mine is that I'm a little afraid of storms, thunder lol[/QUOTE]
Yh the amount of energy storm wields is no joke! And when you realize how tk worked that for it to stop something it must produce a force greater than said thing you start to realize it's practically hopeless for many tk users out there to hope to stop her assault head on. Infact unless you are a god tier tk user doing so is suicide.
So you have astraphobia that's very understandable thunder is very loud and scary.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5662818]hmmmm i think there are ways that these stories can be written where it it us realistic. I think you mainly handle this by playing up the humanity part of storm or put her against threats or in scenarios that live up to her power levels. seeing storm have trouble with street leveler opponents will never makes sense unless someone she was caught off guard or if she lost her powers. put her against characters who are omega level threats then I believe you have a story that won't read as contrived.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm well said, I don't get why many want her to struggle against street level charachters for the rest of her existence... Like bruh even street level heroes level up after a while. She is omega let her deal with omega problems.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5662864]Yh the amount of energy storm wields is no joke! And when you realize how tk worked that for it to stop something it must produce a force greater than said thing you start to realize it's practically hopeless for many tk users out there to hope to stop her assault head on. Infact unless you are a god tier tk user doing so is suicide.
So you have astraphobia that's very understandable thunder is very loud and scary.[/QUOTE]
when you put it in real world relatable context by referencing nuclear bombs it really helps wrapping ones head around how much energy is associated with her weather control. the omega title makes even more sense considering this
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And there-in lies the difference between character-driven stories and Story-driven characters.
Unfortunately, a lot of writers currently fall into the latter category where it's all about the big picture and then we see who can fit in where and how. That said, as with Ewing...having decently large and comprehensive knowledge about the many characters in the toy box does help to create a sense of literary balance. The onus is still on the writer to ignore/downplay certain aspects of the character or up-play the opponent, to decide which best serves the story. And why it seems so many otherwise powerful characters are underutilised.
And that's after you get into the issue of which stories and characters are editorially mandated...where certain freedoms have to be given up.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5662875]when you put it in real world relatable context by referencing nuclear bombs it really helps wrapping ones head around how much energy is associated with her weather control. the omega title makes even more sense considering this[/QUOTE]
Yh storms hold and produce immense energy.... and those are average imagine what planetary and cosmic storms hold it's unfathomable
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5662895]Why? When she's so much more than just Omega. Her street-level abilities and instincts are just as valuable to her character as her mutant powers.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5662885]And there-in lies the difference between character-driven stories and Story-driven characters.
Unfortunately, a lot of writers currently fall into the latter category where it's all about the big picture and then we see who can fit in where and how. That said, as with Ewing...having decently large and comprehensive knowledge about the many characters in the toy box does help to create a sense of literary balance. The onus is still on the writer to ignore/downplay certain aspects of the character or up-play the opponent, to decide which best serves the story. And why it seems so many otherwise powerful characters are underutilised.
And that's after you get into the issue of which stories and characters are editorially mandated...where certain freedoms have to be given up.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much, Storm isn't unique in this regard. Thor of the Avengers, Raven with the Titans, Sue Storm with the Fantastic Four, etc. all get underwritten consistently when on teams so everyone else has more time to shine. And when a lot of writers nowadays are focused on plotting and worldbuilding, their willingness to work with "daunting" characters like Storm is at an all-time low.
That's why Ewing and Hickman are such godsends, they love to work with absurdly powerful characters and they know how to organically incorporate strong character moments alongside high-concept sci-fi/fantasy AND big displays of power. So Storm is in good hands now. But if she's really going to shine it's gonna require a solo that can center her arc and her powers, instead of being minimized so ostensibly weaker/less compelling characters can still be relevant.
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Exactatiously. In lieu of a Storm Solo...I like that HiX-Man and Ewing have been expanding her range outside of and beyond the X-Men as a means of expanding the character both personally and situationally.
That is not to say though that that minimisation can't be well-written or plausible. But it would take a very astute writer and sensible story.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5662864]So you have astraphobia that's very understandable thunder is very loud and scary.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, I have great respect for these events of nature, I really find it magical behind a strong storm. Nature fascinates me.
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I have no issue with stories being story driven but often times storm is inconsequential and there as a token instead of being a meaningful character. Or having her being taken out in an unceremoniously way by reject, no name foot soldiers. I appreciate that this hasn't really been the storm I've seen in the hickman era and its been awesome to see them showcase her a strong woman both in power and character.
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Storm has great powers to manipulate seismic energy? Could she apply feats like Avalanche (XE), Quake (Agents of Shield) characters that can trigger vibrational waves through her body, generating powerful seismic explosions?
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5662916][B]Exactatiously. In lieu of a Storm Solo...I like that HiX-Man and Ewing have been expanding her range outside of and beyond the X-Men as a means of expanding the character both personally and situationally.[/B]
That is not to say though that that minimisation can't be well-written or plausible. But it would take a very astute writer and sensible story.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm also satisfied with HiX-Man and Ewing propping her up within the franchise, because the more attention she gets now the more success a future solo series may have. The last thing I'd want is for them to pump out a Storm solo now and then immediately cancel it because it sells like Way of X or X-Corp.
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A storm friend (sunny) just made me aware that in Marvel Puzzle Quest there is a quest that requires divine only characters. Guess which character is selectable for that:
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E74-9leWYAk1E10?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
The power of Coates is spreading like wildfire.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5663011]A storm friend (sunny) just made me aware that in Marvel Puzzle Quest there is a quest that requires divine only characters. Guess which character is selectable for that:
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E74-9leWYAk1E10?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
The power of Coates is spreading like wildfire.[/QUOTE]
I like the looks of all of the characters here, especially Odin, Loki, Ares, Phoenix, Prof X and Venom. This looks like a great game.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
This contest of the most indomitable of indomitable wills isn't going to turn out well, is it? LOL
Hold on...while I get my salted and caramel drizzled popcorn.
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[quote=butterflykyss;5663011]a storm friend (sunny) just made me aware that in marvel puzzle quest there is a quest that requires divine only characters. Guess which character is selectable for that:
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/e74-9lewyak1e10?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
the power of coates is spreading like wildfire.[/quote]
i simply love to see it.
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my favorite storm/doom moments:
[img]http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans20/MCP48_Storm3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans20/MCP48_Storm5.jpg[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E71JQl6XoAAhaF-?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
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[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5663024]I like the looks of all of the characters here, especially Odin, Loki, Ares, Phoenix, Prof X and Venom. This looks like a great game.[/QUOTE]
I do like the designs of the characters though I haven't played the game. it was just cool to see how her being a real goddess is a thing now. for so long people tried to make the case she wasn't a real goddess, now she sitting at the table with Thor and Odin. who would have ever thought?
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how long does it take you to draw your sketches? and are you using any firms of templates or are these straight from your head?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5663032]my favorite storm/doom moments:
[img]http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans20/MCP48_Storm3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans20/MCP48_Storm5.jpg[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E71JQl6XoAAhaF-?format=jpg&name=large[/img][/QUOTE]
I will genuinely invest money in a book with these two as the titular charachters the ego is just sooo great it gives me real house wives/ the crown energy.
