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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5424150]Can we please stop commenting on something which is long past? This entire issue with Storm and T'Challa, and her stealing the sword was so OOC for both sides that for me, it was just a small budge along the long path. She repaired those relationships already. And I am quite certain that Marvel Editorial has taken a note to not do something so stupid again. Even though, I am quite certain we will see something like that happening in the future. For now, let's concentrate on Storm, Magneto, Jean and Iceman terraforming a planet. That was a good and positive topic.
I personally liked CotA because they point out Storm's empathy in a much more evident way than Duggan did or Coates for that matter. I am looking forward to seeing what this will bring to the table when she meets them next month. And then hopefully, we will get back to Storm's ascension and terraforming a planet with the other Omegas. As someone mentioned way back or was it in another threat... all Omegas are like Gods.[/QUOTE]
IDK see the point in arguing about Storm and T’Challa. They’ve been broken up by the X-Office, after seeing the sales for Coates’ run Marvel has a good chance of not wanting to continue much of what he built, and T’Challa is out the MCU so there’s no purpose terms of marketing for editorial. The next BP run will either have him single or introduce some new love interest while Storm likely remains single in the X-line while being part of this much hyped arc planned by Hickman himself. Both seem set up for great things (though Storm’s future looks brighter overall).
COTA just seemed boring I guess. I only kinda care for the characters and I found the pacing and paneling disjointed. Admittedly I don’t care for the concept but taking out that bias I just wasn’t wowed the way I was with SWORD or Hellions. Maybe Storm playing a more prominent role will inject some life into the book but IDK how much that’ll help with the more structural issues this run seems to be having. I’m far more interested in the stuff she’ll be doing with the other omegas, terraforming a planet or something of that nature opens up a bunch of cool story opportunities.
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5424150]Can we please stop commenting on something which is long past? This entire issue with Storm and T'Challa, and her stealing the sword was so OOC for both sides that for me, it was just a small budge along the long path. She repaired those relationships already. And I am quite certain that Marvel Editorial has taken a note to not do something so stupid again. Even though, I am quite certain we will see something like that happening in the future. For now, let's concentrate on Storm, Magneto, Jean and Iceman terraforming a planet. That was a good and positive topic.
I personally liked CotA because they point out Storm's empathy in a much more evident way than Duggan did or Coates for that matter. I am looking forward to seeing what this will bring to the table when she meets them next month. And then hopefully, we will get back to Storm's ascension and terraforming a planet with the other Omegas. As someone mentioned way back or was it in another threat... all Omegas are like Gods.[/QUOTE]
When did she fix those relationships. She took the sword back. There is no dialogue. That doesn't negate the fact she tried to steal it.
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[QUOTE=Cville;5424238]When did she fix those relationships. She took the sword back. There is no dialogue. That doesn't negate the fact she tried to steal it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but T'Challa, didn't stop her from taking the sword, he told her, himself, that he would have given her the sword if she just asked. Taking back the sword was just the first point showing that things are on the right path, the second part was in KiB: BP issue, where T'Challa still calls her his love and that he is deeply wounded by her capture. This pretty speaks that whatever was happening between them, is fixed as best as it can be. Stealing that sword is not okay, but things have been repaired more or less, otherwise he wouldn't have reacted the way he did when he was dealing with Knull's army.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5423381]Though one couldd say she is their goddess now so that trumps all. lol. But either way, we are now living in the time of Storm. I'm almost scared to say how excited i am for the potential of whats to come because i never expected much but i've liked this run so much i'm starting to garner expectations. Not like specific ones but for the same feeling of excitement they have been making me feel. I can't remember the last time i didn't regret spending this much money on something just because of how i think.
You think Bast would have let Shuri question her like that?[/QUOTE]
Thing is...Editorial/Writer's ideas and the fans' ideas about what constitutes "huge, spectacular, important direction for the character(s...not just Storm alone) rarely ever mesh on the same page and unanimously agreed upon. There are fans who will always be disappointed, regardless, because, Fans want the character(s) to be written one way...Writers do what they are being paid to do to the best of their abilities and creative intentions...
I just go in with an open mind and very little expectations either way. If the intent is interesting (as with Marauders), I'm there to see it through. If not...I either ignore/disregard it completely (as with X-Factor) or I still see it through but waste no time and energy on weeping wailing and gnashing my teeth over it.
So far...Storm in Space sounds amazing and exciting and life changing for the character. Is there a huge chance it might not be executed flawlessly? Absolutely...but I'm there.
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5421903]Ah yes! My bad, what I wanted to comment on your comment is the object which Storm held, I believe, the way it was explained, it is a cosmic object of pure light, so I can see her using it to elevate to full Godhood or something among those lines. Or she can use it to create the life on Planet X (or Mars if it is, indeed Mars).
And no, I am saying this for an N time, I do not do racism. Storm is my only favourite hero, and I am keeping it real. You can't expect to tell you that Storm can terraform an entire planet on her own, especially when the planet is Mars. She can probably do that with smaller planets, but seriously, let's be real. She is not there, [B][U]yet[/U][/B].
Most people here, have no idea what it takes to terraform a planet from a scientific view point. Do you know how many things must be taken care of, looked into and kept in a specific balance or otherwise, the planet will die even more. Marvel is trying to keep things real, terraforming a planet is simply enormous work with too many systems and sustains that cannot be overlooked or done by one single entity. Impossible, simply impossible. She can provide 80% perhaps of the terraforming of the planet, but to terraform the entire planet on her own, she is not there. Definitely not there, [B][U]yet[/U][/B]. But she will get there, [B][U]eventually[/U][/B].[/QUOTE]
So a little fun fact Mars is actually smaller than the earth not the other way around. But I do get your point it is pragmatic. Eventually getting to terraform a planet is great and all and will establish her even further but I will wait till I see it till I say it. These writers have a weird lack of creativity when it comes to storm that it astounds me to my core. They will promise heaven and earth and give us mediocrity. It is soo bad that a comic where storm doesn't hit anything with lighting but uses wind or snow we applaud it as a feat. The mediocrity is just too palpable. I like the promotional cover and the big storm tease but I don't really feel the urge to celebrate until I see what they have done first.
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How I view it, her and Wakanda are on good terms.
Xofswords
Then Storm handling Space stuff in Wakanda.
Than hellfire gala before Storm goes off to handle more space stuff. Makes sense to me.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5424370]Thing is...Editorial/Writer's ideas and the fans' ideas about what constitutes "huge, spectacular, important direction for the character(s...not just Storm alone) rarely ever mesh on the same page and unanimously agreed upon. There are fans who will always be disappointed, regardless, because, Fans want the character(s) to be written one way...Writers do what they are being paid to do to the best of their abilities and creative intentions...
I just go in with an open mind and very little expectations either way. If the intent is interesting (as with Marauders), I'm there to see it through. If not...I either ignore/disregard it completely (as with X-Factor) or I still see it through but waste no time and energy on weeping wailing and gnashing my teeth over it.
So far...Storm in Space sounds amazing and exciting and life changing for the character. Is there a huge chance it might not be executed flawlessly? Absolutely...but I'm there.[/QUOTE]
What excites me about the space venture is the fact that we are going to finally understand the true nature of her power. Cosmic weather is a very VAST portfolio it ranges solar wind to nebulas to black holes practically any disturbance to ambient energy and matter in space is cosmic weather. The potential is just too great for an average weather controlling mutant. But storm us an omega so she is practically unlimited. I have been wondering if her power can stretch to concepts and fantasy maybe temporal storms or cross dimensional hurricanes.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5424577][COLOR="#A9A9A9"]What excites me about the space venture is the fact that we are going to finally understand the true nature of her power[/COLOR]. [COLOR="#FF0000"][B]Cosmic weather is a very VAST portfolio it ranges solar wind to nebulas to black holes practically any disturbance to ambient energy and matter in space is cosmic weather.[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="#A9A9A9"]The potential is just too great for an average weather controlling mutant. But storm us an omega so she is practically unlimited. I have been wondering if her power can stretch to concepts and fantasy maybe temporal storms or cross dimensional hurricanes.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Wait... Who taught you that? No, it's not. [B][U][URL="https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/spaceweather/en/"]What Is Space Weather?[/URL][/U][/B] | [B][U][URL="https://www.nasa.gov/spaceweather"]Studying Space Weather[/URL][/U][/B].
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We've ALWAYS understood the true nature of her power. The only difference now really, is that it could be explored on a larger, cosmic scale further and on a more frequent basis, as we've seen her do large-scale one-off cosmic feats before.
And while I hope the writers would go deeper into the scientific and practical "how's and why's" of what she's doing, when she's doing it... I'm not holding my breath.
I really do want to see her (and Bobby, Jean and Erik) Omega-Level-ness pushed, though. I imagine it wouldn't be too wise to "Go Omega!" on Earth as the natural systems all connected can be fragile but out in space and on Mars...the galaxy is the limit.
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[QUOTE=chief12d;5424184]IDK see the point in arguing about Storm and T’Challa. They’ve been broken up by the X-Office, after seeing the sales for Coates’ run Marvel has a good chance of not wanting to continue much of what he built, and T’Challa is out the MCU so there’s no purpose terms of marketing for editorial. The next BP run will either have him single or introduce some new love interest while Storm likely remains single in the X-line while being part of this much hyped arc planned by Hickman himself. Both seem set up for great things (though Storm’s future looks brighter overall).
COTA just seemed boring I guess. I only kinda care for the characters and I found the pacing and paneling disjointed. Admittedly I don’t care for the concept but taking out that bias I just wasn’t wowed the way I was with SWORD or Hellions. Maybe Storm playing a more prominent role will inject some life into the book but IDK how much that’ll help with the more structural issues this run seems to be having. I’m far more interested in the stuff she’ll be doing with the other omegas, terraforming a planet or something of that nature opens up a bunch of cool story opportunities.[/QUOTE]
they didn't break up the relationship. the only thing that was broken from that encounter was the krakoan gate. like where did you get that from ?
and whats COTA??
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[QUOTE=Stormultt Divine;5421916]My post was somewhat directed at the writers too lol.
[B]I'm excited for the four, ANYWHERE Jean and Storm are together is a gem issue for me.
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I'm really just stoked and excited, the x-verse is growing so VAST.
I'm thinking they should call the name the planet (I DO think it's a whole planet for mutants...), Okarra.
That'd be poetic in a way.[/QUOTE]
I think you're onto something, [B]the Five[/B] are the resurrection protocol, [B]The Six[/B] are multiversal teleportation system...is [B]the Four[/B] planetary terraforming?
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5424574]How I view it, her and Wakanda are on good terms.
Xofswords
Then Storm handling Space stuff in Wakanda.
Than hellfire gala before Storm goes off to handle more space stuff. Makes sense to me.[/QUOTE]
agreed 100%. I think since the sword was returned all is good though a bit rocky nothing they can't get over.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5424659]Wait... Who taught you that? No, it's not. [B][U][URL="https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/spaceweather/en/"]What Is Space Weather?[/URL][/U][/B] | [B][U][URL="https://www.nasa.gov/spaceweather"]Studying Space Weather[/URL][/U][/B].[/QUOTE]
Space weather is driven by the sun and stars essentially. So may I ask can storm control hydrogen atoms yes or no? Are stars not made of said hydrogen atoms, are nebulas not made of said hydrogen atoms which coalesce during nucleosynthesis to form helium and other elements heavier than hydrogen. Does a star dying and going nova not depend on its mass ala hydrogen and helium atoms available to it do black holes not spawn from said nova if the star was massive enough?
Listen, I can keep going and all I just mentioned was just a single ability to manipulate hydrogen atoms. If you really want to go down that route then I will gladly take you there. But this is fiction in the realm of science fiction we don't apply much real world science to it. You can look at real world parameters inorder to tailor the strength of a character but as we all know comic science is a whole thing on its own.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5424670]We've ALWAYS understood the true nature of her power. The only difference now really, is that it could be explored on a larger, cosmic scale further and on a more frequent basis, as we've seen her do large-scale one-off cosmic feats before.
And while I hope the writers would go deeper into the scientific and practical "how's and why's" of what she's doing, when she's doing it... I'm not holding my breath.
I really do want to see her (and Bobby, Jean and Erik) Omega-Level-ness pushed, though. I imagine it wouldn't be too wise to "Go Omega!" on Earth as the natural systems all connected can be fragile but out in space and on Mars...the galaxy is the limit.[/QUOTE]
Yh the Hadari yao power though. And what does it mean also her rouge gallery and what it will look like when that is being explored.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5424762]Space weather is driven by the sun and stars essentially. So may I ask can storm control hydrogen atoms yes or no? Are stars not made of said hydrogen atoms, are nebulas not made of said hydrogen atoms which coalesce during nucleosynthesis to form helium and other elements heavier than hydrogen. Does a star dying and going nova not depend on its mass ala hydrogen and helium atoms available to it do black holes not spawn from said nova if the star was massive enough?
Listen, I can keep going and all I just mentioned was just a single ability to manipulate hydrogen atoms. If you really want to go down that route then I will gladly take you there. But this is fiction in the realm of science fiction we don't apply much real world science to it. You can look at real world parameters inorder to tailor the strength of a character but as we all know comic science is a whole thing on its own.[/QUOTE]
it's all within her purview. I posted a scan yesterday of her manipulating hydrogen atoms in space and her connection to millions of stars aka the galactic core. your point is a valid and solid one.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5424701]they didn't break up the relationship. the only thing that was broken from that encounter was the krakoan gate. like where did you get that from ?
and whats COTA??
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You can’t be serious butterflykyss lol. T’Challa burned down the gate and said she doesn’t have free movement between Krakoa and Wakanda anymore. The next month she was flirting with Wolverine. At best they’re on a break rn.. But as we saw in the KIB one shot T’Challa still has feelings for her and his people still cared enough to know her condition during an alien invasion. I think it’s fair to say neither feel any obligation to the other and their romance is basically dead until further notice. Maybe it gets touched on at the Hellfire Gala as I think he (and several other heroes) will make an appearance. But unless a comic outright confirms they’re still dating, then they broke up in Marauders 13. I don’t see them appearing as a couple anytime soon.
That how I’m gonna start treating that book lol.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5424768]Yh the Hadari yao power though. And what does it mean also her rouge gallery and what it will look like when that is being explored.[/QUOTE]
As the Hadari Yao is a Wakandan construct, told in a story almost two years old and has very little to do with her current place and role in the X-Men...I may be wrong, but I don't think the X-writers are too interested in referencing it.
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[QUOTE=chief12d;5424921]You can’t be serious butterflykyss lol. T’Challa burned down the gate and said she doesn’t have free movement between Krakoa and Wakanda anymore. The next month she was flirting with Wolverine. At best they’re on a break rn.. But as we saw in the KIB one shot T’Challa still has feelings for her and his people still cared enough to know her condition during an alien invasion. I think it’s fair to say neither feel any obligation to the other and their romance is basically dead until further notice. Maybe it gets touched on at the Hellfire Gala as I think he (and several other heroes) will make an appearance. But unless a comic outright confirms they’re still dating, then they broke up in Marauders 13. I don’t see them appearing as a couple anytime soon.
That how I’m gonna start treating that book lol.[/QUOTE]
I dont want to provide any justification for how the xoffices chose to show storm during that event that was not anywhere near as good as I was hoping it would be but that said we must keep in context what happened. in marauders tchalla states the krakoans can only return there if they so choose through their grace and permission.
The Ororo stated the following:
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then look at most recently post this awful event what tchalla said and thought during kib. as Thorne himself said, tchalla was very much so invested in ororo and thought about his beloved even as he had to focus to save wakanda:
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the relationship isn't done not by a long shot and if it was redjack certainly would hsve wrote it as such as he hates the relationship but he didn't.
and lmfao at your last point lol.
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Kyss is right. Their relationship is not over, it was confirmed so in KIB BP, as Kyss pointed out in the above issue and we even had the author of that issue coming here and explaining. The Editorial is not done with them and even though Redjack hates that relationship, I am pretty sure the Editorial stopped him from breaking them up as he wanted.
As far as COTA, it is short for Children of the Atom. Some people write it CotA, I write it both ways, COTA and CotA.
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5425150]Kyss is right. Their relationship is not over, it was confirmed so in KIB BP, as Kyss pointed out in the above issue and we even had the author of that issue coming here and explaining. The Editorial is not done with them and even though Redjack hates that relationship, I am pretty sure the Editorial stopped him from breaking them up as he wanted.
As far as COTA, it is short for Children of the Atom. Some people write it CotA, I write it both ways, COTA and CotA.[/QUOTE]
exactly. :D redjack would have made it clear that they were done as he has stated in countless ways how he doesn't think they work as a couple. he even expressed this as he stated to hudlin. nevertheless, as you mentioned I think editorial had a say in how he depicted storm in his story.
oh I was being facetious with the saying I don't know what cota is lol
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now can somebody make this make sense? Ororo is supposed to be insecure when she speaks formally but I thought that was just her regular speech pattern,?
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hmm no thanks vita. pass
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5425229]now can somebody make this make sense? Ororo is supposed to be insecure when she speaks formally but I thought that was just her regular speech pattern,?
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hmm no thanks vita. pass[/QUOTE]
I kinda liked it, it wasn't that bad. I believe the fresh faces and stories are welcomed.
And that screenshot of Rogue playing with the cloud so gently to make it rain in a small portion, explains so much of how Storm powers work and how much control she needs to put when she summons stuff or changes the weather.
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5425248]I kinda liked it, it wasn't that bad. I believe the fresh faces and stories are welcomed.
And that screenshot of Rogue playing with the cloud so gently to make it rain in a small portion, explains so much of how Storm powers work and how much control she needs to put when she summons stuff or changes the weather.[/QUOTE]
I feel like too many writers work to deconstruct about her what made her a fan favorite in the first place. ororo is a confident, majestic woman and even when she isn't confident she fakes it.
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at least before we got to her solo and the w&tx era where it seemed some writers wanted to make her more "human" by being relatable.
I love that scene and why I loved Claremont . his ability to explain her powers in his first uncanny run was brilliant.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5425265]I feel like too many writers work to deconstruct about her what made her a fan favorite in the first place. ororo is a confident, majestic woman and even when she isn't confident she fakes it. at least before we got to her solo and the w&tx era where it seemed some writers wanted to make her more "human" by being relatable.
I love that scene and why I loved cksremont . his ability to explain her powers in his first uncanny run was brilliant.[/QUOTE]
If I have to be honest, when I read that part in CotA, I honestly felt like she was pretending, not really feeling insecure, more like she wanted to fool them and take the position instead of Logan, most likely the reason why Logan grunted. That, how I felt those panels of the CotA. She absolutely played them all for fools.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5425265]I feel like too many writers work to deconstruct about her what made her a fan favorite in the first place. ororo is a confident, majestic woman and [B]even when she isn't confident she fakes it.[/B] at least before we got to her solo and the w&tx era where it seemed some writers wanted to make her more "human" by being relatable.
I love that scene and why I loved cksremont . his ability to explain her powers in his first uncanny run was brilliant.[/QUOTE]which is what speaking more formally does. Its an overcompensation to appear fine. Someone like Cyclops may not be able to sense it but Jean is empathic and can feel when Storm is like that. I still dont get what the problem is with this. The fact that someone is stating that Storm has the capacity to feel insecure or speak formally?
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[QUOTE=Havok83;5425280]which is what speaking more formally does. Its an overcompensation to appear fine. Someone like Cyclops may not be able to sense it but Jean is empathic and can feel when Storm is like that. I still dont get what the problem is with this. The fact that someone is stating that Storm has the capacity to feel insecure or speak formally?[/QUOTE]
when rogue absorbed her powers in uncanny 185 she stated her voice changed to mirror storm's (deeper and formal) it had nothing to do with insecurity and has never had anything to do with that.
its a problem because it was a tool made to showcase being vulnerable or weak when it wasn't necessary. there are other ways that can be shown that would be sensible. as I mentioned her formal speak is just how she speaks and has nothing to do with her being insecure. didher insecurity cause Rogue speech to become more formal???
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5425274]If I have to be honest, when I read that part in CotA, I honestly felt like she was pretending, not really feeling insecure, more like she wanted to fool them and take the position instead of Logan, most likely the reason why Logan grunted. That, how I felt those panels of the CotA. She absolutely played them all for fools.[/QUOTE]
yes I like this explanation because jean was certainly a fool if she thought ororo speaking formally was due to her being insecure. basic girls be projecting their insecurity onto the All-Goddess and that ain't cute!!!
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5425293]when rogue absorbed her powers in uncanny 185 she stated her voice changed to mirror storm's (deeper and formal) it had nothing to do with insecurity and has never had anything to do with that.
its a problem because it was a tool made to showcase being vulnerable or weak when it wasn't necessary. there are other ways that can be shown that would be sensible. as I mentioned her formal speak is just how she speaks and has nothing to do with her being insecure. didher insecurity cause Rogue speech to become more formal???[/QUOTE]
You're assumption though is that feeling insecure is a weakness, when it doesnt mean to be and I dont think this scene made Storm come across weak. I saw it as her telepathic friend being able to read her and compliment her
And Jean doesnt say that Storm speaks formal bc she is insecure. She says she speaks much more formal when she is. If Storm is normally at an 9 with it, she takes it up to a 11 when she is insecure
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5425248]I kinda liked it, it wasn't that bad. I believe the fresh faces and stories are welcomed.
And that screenshot of Rogue playing with the cloud so gently to make it rain in a small portion, explains so much of how Storm powers work and how much control she needs to put when she summons stuff or changes the weather.[/QUOTE]
I loved the scene personally. I have yet to meet someone who his secure all the time especially when they are around friends and that to me is what vita was going for imo and it landed very well for me. I think people get so caught up in characters always looking strong or being strong even around there friends that they miss the small human beats that exist when among them like moments of insecurity.
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[QUOTE=Celestialbodies;5424733]I think you're onto something, [B]the Five[/B] are the resurrection protocol, [B]The Six[/B] are multiversal teleportation system...is [B]the Four[/B] planetary terraforming?[/QUOTE]
The 'Planet Bringers' sounds charming
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[QUOTE=Havok83;5425316]You're assumption though is that feeling insecure is a weakness, when it doesnt mean to be and I dont think this scene made Storm come across weak. I saw it as her telepathic friend being able to read her and compliment her
And Jean doesnt say that Storm speaks formal bc she is insecure. She says she speaks much more formal when she is. If Storm is normally at an 9 with it, she takes it up to a 11 when she is insecure[/QUOTE]
Being insecure is a vulnerable attribute. Its nothing wrong with being insecure as she showed this very early on in her career when she replaced Cyclops as team leader shortly after Jean's death and even expressed this insecurity verbally to him. Insecurity in and of itself isn't a weakness so as long as an individual doesn't allow it to cripple them, so let me clarify that. However, any and all insecurity she has was totally unrelated to her speech pattern.
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Again, any formality in her speak canonically is based upon how she talks not even sure what that means to speak more formally. Add to that the stuttering to respond to Jean's charge was all a mess.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5425396]Being insecure is a vulnerable attribute. Its nothing wrong with being insecure as she showed this very early on in her career when she replaced Cyclops as team leader shortly after Jean's death and even expressed this insecurity verbally to him. Insecurity in and of itself isn't a weakness so as long as an individual doesn't allow it to cripple them, so let me clarify that. However, any and all insecurity she has was totally unrelated to her speech pattern.
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Again, any formality in her speak canonically is based upon how she talks not even sure what that means to speak more formally. Add to that the stuttering to respond to Jean's charge was all a mess.[/QUOTE]
I am more curious about what they saw or heard in this case, after the "GOOD LORD" speech.
And just for the record, I do believe that people can be formal on multiple occasions not just with insecurity. For example, take me, I can be serious, lighthearted, teaser or joker, in multiple occasions and for multiple reasons. But I do get serious when it comes to serious talk with someone, work or something among those lines.
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5425464]I am more curious about what they saw or heard in this case, after the "GOOD LORD" speech.
And just for the record, I do believe that people can be formal on multiple occasions not just with insecurity. For example, take me, I can be serious, lighthearted, teaser or joker, in multiple occasions and for multiple reasons. But I do get serious when it comes to serious talk with someone, work or something among those lines.[/QUOTE]
cosair was being attacked by the sidri. they had followed him to earth.
yea i know there are many shades when it comes to how people express aspects of their personality but that was just odd and don't even get me started with Wolverine. he was ooc to me as well. all of it wasn't bad but there were definitely misses with their dialogue.
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I think it was just an attempt to give her a cute quirk and highlight her friendship with Jean (which I loved). It’ll probably get ignored ,especially cause she said “more” formal which means Vita is not retconning all her former speech as being insecure.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5425229]now can somebody make this make sense? Ororo is supposed to be insecure when she speaks formally but I thought that was just her regular speech pattern,?
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hmm no thanks vita. pass[/QUOTE]
Good lord I was beginning to think that I was the only one who had an issue with how Storm was written in COTA. To me, she came across as an insecure waif that had to be consoled by the adult in the room. This is not the Storm that I know.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5425357]I loved the scene personally. I have yet to meet someone who his secure all the time especially when they are around friends and that to me is what vita was going for imo and it landed very well for me. I think people get so caught up in characters always looking strong or being strong even around there friends that they miss the small human beats that exist when among them like moments of insecurity.[/QUOTE]
Same here. I have no issue with it. Storm has shown vulnerabilities before. It's nothing new.
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[QUOTE=orionblue;5425537]Good lord I was beginning to think that I was the only one who had an issue with how Storm was written in COTA. To me, she came across as an insecure waif that had to be consoled by the adult in the room. This is not the Storm that I know.[/QUOTE]
now hold up wait a minute!! you better be careful in offering criticism up in here even if it supports canon. you will be accused of being caught up in characters always looking strong or being strong even around their friends that they miss the small human beats that exist when among them like moments of insecurity. the shame of it all!!! forget the fact that these characters have been around for many decades and it has nothing to do with "human beats" and all to do with her speaking formally - or more formally - not being an indication of being insecure.
I kid lol. I completely agree especially being consoled like she is a child or something like wtf lol
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[QUOTE=orionblue;5425537]Good lord I was beginning to think that I was the only one who had an issue with how Storm was written in COTA. To me, she came across as an insecure waif that had to be consoled by the adult in the room. This is not the Storm that I know.[/QUOTE]
I thought about it some more...put another way: Storm being insecure to voice her convictions in front of Logan, Cyclops and Jean...yea no; not the strong and confident Storm I know. A woman who has had to fight hard to be held in high esteem as a capable (more than capable actually) leader of the X-Men...a woman who has had to claw her way back from losing her powers...only to be showcased in a way that is not character defining as much as unraveling years of strong characterization and growth for the character. This for me is a miss step for Ororo’s characterization and continues the X-Men Red devaluing of the character imho.
I’m not even going to delve into the Jean ‘comforting’ Ororo crap.
Can anyone tell that I did not like how Ororo was depicted in COTA?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5425693]now hold up wait a minute!! you better be careful in offering criticism even if it contradicts canon. you will be accused of being caught up in characters always looking strong or being strong even around there friends that they miss the small human beats that exist when among them like moments of insecurity. the shame of it all forget the fact that these characters have been around for many decades and it has nothing to do with "human moments" and all to do with her speaking formally or more formally not being an indication of being insecure.
I kid lol. I completely agree especially being consoled like she is a child or something like wtf lol[/QUOTE]
Where’s that damn kiss emoji ;)
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[QUOTE=orionblue;5425706]I thought about it some more...put another way: Storm being insecure to voice her convictions in front of Logan, Cyclops and Jean...yea no; not the strong and confident Storm I know. A woman who has had to fight hard to be held in high esteem as a capable (more than capable actually) leader of the X-Men...a woman who has had to claw her way back from losing her powers...only to be showcased in away that is not character defining as much as unraveling years of strong characterization.m and growth for the character. This for me is a miss step for Ororo’s characterization and continues the X-Men Red devaluing of the character imho.
I’m not even going to delve into the Jean ‘comforting’ Ororo crap.
Can anyone tell that I did not like how Ororo was depicted in COTA?[/QUOTE]
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baby beautifully said. let it had been the other way and Ororo had said something akin to that to Jean. Bottom of the line it was an ooc moment but we are on the same page here.
[QUOTE=orionblue;5425707]Where’s that damn kiss emoji ;)[/QUOTE]
I used to leave my signature "kysses" at the end of the post but I think this is better:
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baby beautifully said. let it had been the other way and Ororo had said something akin to that to Jean. Bottom of the line it was an ooc moment but we are on the same page here.
I used to leave my signature "kysses" at the end of the post but I think this is better:
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Love love love it!!
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It's just the writer's take on the characters in a moment that's meant to show just how deeply these characters know and understand each other (as they should) and in that context, it doesn't really do anything egregiously harmful to either Storm or Jean.
Especially as Vita also wrote a very strong, decisive and confident Storm back in Marauders 13
And it's not as if Storm has not shown moments of weakness and lack of confidence in the past...as with her self-recrimination over deaths of the Morlocks in the Mutant Massacre.