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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5635077]thank you so much boo. this is another bit of evidence demonstrating jean was given phoenix to put her on the power level of storm. I love it. and im going to see how I can get my hands on that.
and you're absolutely right about the galatic core feat. many people overlook it but the insane amount of energy she manipulated to become a freaking star is insane. I'm hoping Ewing explore a bit more of her abilities im hopeful he will deliver.[/QUOTE]
There are so many unexplored possibilities, I really feel like we could be at the dawn of a new age for Ororo, as a mutant she’s an omega and she has reached the peak coming out on top, as leader she’s now regent of the entire solar system and she’s going to measure herself against the top players of the marvel universe, as a Goddess her path is only just beginning and we got only small glimpses of it in the BP books……. So much potential, I’m very excited
[QUOTE=Daedra;5635091]There are so many unexplored possibilities, I really feel like we could be at the dawn of a new age for Ororo, as a mutant she’s an omega and she has reached the peak coming out on top, as leader she’s now regent of the entire solar system and she’s going to measure herself against the top players of the marvel universe, as a Goddess her path is only just beginning and we got only small glimpses of it in the BP books……. So much potential, I’m very excited[/QUOTE]
I'm excited too. I saw this online about her abilities what are your thoughts what you expand or remove?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5634787]I think Claremont would have and most certainly was on track to give us a fully realized storm. roguestorm was evidence of this however, with the soft reboot I think there was an editorial push to reel her back in with her abilities. we saw this with Claremont when she couldn't or didn't think to use solar winds when the xmen were using a ship to access asteroid m. then of course lobdell completely neefed her once he started to write her after Claremont left. it was the beginning of the end.
do you have the actual quote where it is said she is more than just weather? I've seen it mentioned numerous times but have bit seen the actual source.[/QUOTE]
In the storm solo 2014 issue 11 she stated that she has always controlled weather but what if her power extends deeper, into the very fundamental forces that govern weather like the planets magnetic field using it to create a lava bursts, and magnetic cyclone that stretches into space to remove Kenji's flesh monsters. She also hijacks his telepathy pulling multiple people into the astral plane this is done by way of electromagnetism. It's also worth noting that she used the conductive flesh Kenji created to push her power. But the feats were storms because earlier in a previous issue she parted the magnetosohere to permit sunlight to vaporize a tidal wave.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5634896]I wonder if there was a Omega Mutant in the Manipulation of Electromagnetism (Which is one of the four pillars of the universe), could it have subpowers compared to Storm or be bigger than hers? Since the concept of energy, elements, weather events, among other powers you possess, would enter the Earth's electromagnetic field... Or could I be wrong...[/QUOTE]
Actually it's the other way around, since storms power the weather extends to the very fundamental forces that govern weather including electromagnetism it means that she has omega level control over that force directly as she does with all the weather related elements. Stars are the main source of weather in the universe and they are the culmination of all four fundamental forces sooo in theory storm should be able to have omega control over stellar matter and energy we even see this semblance in the black vortex mirror when she becomes a supernova and destroys a planet.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5635119]I'm excited too. I saw this online about her abilities what are your thoughts what you expand or remove?
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Cosmic dust because it's part of primal.matter plus manipulation of hydrogen, helium, plasma can all be added
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5635077]thank you so much boo. this is another bit of evidence demonstrating jean was given phoenix to put her on the power level of storm. I love it. and im going to see how I can get my hands on that.
and you're absolutely right about the galatic core feat. many people overlook it but the insane amount of energy she manipulated to become a freaking star is insane. I'm hoping Ewing explore a bit more of her abilities im hopeful he will deliver.[/QUOTE]
She channeled the power of an entire core, galaxies not only have millions of stars planets and such crammed at their cores but also super massive black holes sooo great the have the potential to generate quasars( the most energetic events in the universe).
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5635119]I'm excited too. I saw this online about her abilities what are your thoughts what you expand or remove?
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This is just perfect…. as a goddess Ororo is able to manifest her will trough the raging elemental forces that govern the heavens, this is why as an omega mutant her ability to shape matter and energy takes the form of weather manipulation, usually each pantheon is governed by a sky-father/earth- mother figure, Ororo’s dominion over the elements places her at the highest levels of traditional divine hierarchies.
As she works on exploring her powers I expect Storm to discover more exotic abilities:
life force sensing and manipulation,
conversion of belief into power,
Cosmic awarness,
Empathic bond with nature and living creatures
Consciousness projection
Elemental forms.
[QUOTE=Daedra;5635140]This is just perfect…. as a goddess Ororo is able to manifest her will trough the raging elemental forces that govern the heavens, this is why as an omega mutant her ability to shape matter and energy takes the form of weather manipulation, usually each pantheon is governed by a sky-father/earth- mother figure, Ororo’s dominion over the elements places her at the highest levels of traditional divine hierarchies.
As she works on exploring her powers I expect Storm to discover more exotic abilities:
life force sensing and manipulation,
conversion of belief into power,
Cosmic awarness,
Empathic bond with nature and living creatures
Consciousness projection
Elemental forms.[/QUOTE]
I recall there was an instance where she sensed something was off with Jean's life force before. Her extrasensory abilities need to be brought back
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5635129]In the storm solo 2014 issue 11 she stated that she has always controlled weather but what if her power extends deeper, into the very fundamental forces that govern weather like the planets magnetic field using it to create a lava bursts, and magnetic cyclone that stretches into space to remove Kenji's flesh monsters. She also hijacks his telepathy pulling multiple people into the astral plane this is done by way of electromagnetism. It's also worth noting that she used the conductive flesh Kenji created to push her power. But the feats were storms because earlier in a previous issue she parted the magnetosohere to permit sunlight to vaporize a tidal wave.[/QUOTE]
wait im kind of confused here. her solo did show her delve into the magnetic fields of the planet earth and pak definitely showed her do more than just weather with the solar winds feat. so we definitely did see application behind weather control in the solo.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5635857]wait im kind of confused here. her solo did show her delve into the magnetic fields of the planet earth and pak definitely showed her do more than just weather with the solar winds feat. so we definitely did see application behind weather control in the solo.[/QUOTE]
Ororo also defeated Clor by means of an electromagnetic pulse directed to the clone brain.
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Cosmic dust because it's part of primal.matter plus manipulation of hydrogen, helium, plasma can all be added[/QUOTE]
what would she be able to do with cosmic dust?
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5635138]She channeled the power of an entire core, galaxies not only have millions of stars planets and such crammed at their cores but also super massive black holes sooo great the have the potential to generate quasars( the most energetic events in the universe).[/QUOTE]
absolutely this feat is arguably her best feat ever performed. the amount of control required to execute such a showing i believe is grossly underestimated. imagine her channeling that power against a villain or on a planet. the results would be catastrophic.
[QUOTE=Daedra;5635140]This is just perfect…. as a goddess Ororo is able to manifest her will trough the raging elemental forces that govern the heavens, this is why as an omega mutant her ability to shape matter and energy takes the form of weather manipulation, usually each pantheon is governed by a sky-father/earth- mother figure, Ororo’s dominion over the elements places her at the highest levels of traditional divine hierarchies.
As she works on exploring her powers I expect Storm to discover more exotic abilities:
life force sensing and manipulation,
conversion of belief into power,
Cosmic awarness,
Empathic bond with nature and living creatures
Consciousness projection
Elemental forms.[/QUOTE]
how would the consciousness projection actually work? I'm with you on the other items but pause. I gotta slow my roll lol. I guess we did see this in BP so are you saying more of thst what she did in space?
[QUOTE=Daedra;5635863]Ororo also defeated Clor by means of an electromagnetic pulse directed to the clone brain.[/QUOTE]
I thought that attack she used against clor didn't work. he was definitely grounded for a moment but he was back up and shot a bolt at storm where Sue projected a shield to protect her.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5635866]what would she be able to do with cosmic dust?
absolutely this feat is arguably her best feat ever performed. the amount of control required to execute such a showing i believe is grossly underestimated. imagine her channeling that power against a villain or on a planet. the results would be catastrophic.
how would the consciousness projection actually work? I'm with you on the other items but pause. I gotta slow my roll lol. I guess we did see this in BP so are you saying more of thst what she did in space?[/QUOTE]
I was thinking about the way she’s able to manifest her presence in far-away places like she did against cyclops
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It’s like she was actually there and able to channel her will trough the elements, maybe one day she could comunicate as well…..by shaping water perhaps like she did under hickman?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5635870]I thought that attack she used against clor didn't work. he was definitely grounded for a moment but he was back up and shot a bolt at storm where Sue projected a shield to protect her.[/QUOTE]
Lol, really have to refresh my memory about that fight, I remember him crushing to the ground after she hit him with the em pulse, she also used an EMP to defeat a bunch of sentinels during a danger room session .
[QUOTE=Daedra;5635908]Lol, really have to refresh my memory about that fight, I remember him crushing to the ground after she hit him with the em pulse, she also used an EMP to defeat a bunch of sentinels during a danger room session .[/QUOTE]
Which title and issue are you referring to? I'd like to read it, thanks :)
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5635870]I thought that attack she used against clor didn't work. he was definitely grounded for a moment but he was back up and shot a bolt at storm where Sue projected a shield to protect her.[/QUOTE]
IIRC She was protected by Sue before she hit him with an EMP.
one of the things that bothered me while hudlin was writing Her is that in most fights against worthy opponents he made Storm look weak, she gained a lot of anti-feats during his BP run: nearly killed by a weak clone of Thor, her lightning useless against Doom , KO'd by Medusa when she threw T'challa at her, Kraven dodging her lightning and etc...
[QUOTE=Micabe;5635930]Which title and issue are you referring to? I'd like to read it, thanks :)[/QUOTE]
Black Panther #25 (2004)
[QUOTE=Daedra;5635896]I was thinking about the way she’s able to manifest her presence in far-away places like she did against cyclops
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It’s like she was actually there and able to channel her will trough the elements, maybe one day she could comunicate as well…..by shaping water perhaps like she did under hickman?[/QUOTE]
Imagine her on the planet Arakko creating the face of an element of water, earth, air... to communicate with someone? It would be really cool to see that in the comics besides showing a long range and that the Goddess has mastery of the elements of two planets.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5635896]I was thinking about the way she’s able to manifest her presence in far-away places like she did against cyclops
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It’s like she was actually there and able to channel her will trough the elements, maybe one day she could comunicate as well…..by shaping water perhaps like she did under hickman?[/QUOTE]
oh thats an excellent example I completely forgot about that one.
I see your point and agree. I love how you dissect and breakdown these showings. you add an extra layer I didn't think about.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5635960]Imagine her on the planet Arakko creating the face of an element of water, earth, air... to communicate with someone? It would be really cool to see that in the comics besides showing a long range and that the Goddess has mastery of the elements of two planets.
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Exactly, you really got what I meant
[QUOTE=Daedra;5635908]Lol, really have to refresh my memory about that fight, I remember him crushing to the ground after she hit him with the em pulse, she also used an EMP to defeat a bunch of sentinels during a danger room session .[/QUOTE]
yes both of those happened in the former clor for up and in the latter she took all the sentinels out in the danger room session:
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5635960]Imagine her on the planet Arakko creating the face of an element of water, earth, air... to communicate with someone? It would be really cool to see that in the comics besides showing a long range and that the Goddess has mastery of the elements of two planets.
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omg yes I love this. it would take her goddess abilities to a whole new level if she not only shaped the elements but also communicated by way of them.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5635134]Actually it's the other way around, since storms power the weather extends to the very fundamental forces that govern weather including electromagnetism it means that she has omega level control over that force directly as she does with all the weather related elements. Stars are the main source of weather in the universe and they are the culmination of all four fundamental forces sooo in theory storm should be able to have omega control over stellar matter and energy we even see this semblance in the black vortex mirror when she becomes a supernova and destroys a planet.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for enlightening me, my fear is that some Omega Mutant in the Manipulation of Electromagnetism would come and throw Storm aside, some time ago I saw an Magneto fan saying that Magneto was more powerful than Ororo for having full control over the spectrum of electromagnetism , and whatever she would do, he did better.
[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5635939]Black Panther #25 (2004)[/QUOTE]
The art was a bit wacky... But, all in all, it was a good read :cool:
[QUOTE=Stormy;5635974]Thanks for enlightening me, my fear is that some Omega Mutant in the Manipulation of Electromagnetism would come and throw Storm aside, some time ago I saw an Magneto fan saying that Magneto was more powerful than Ororo for having full control over the spectrum of electromagnetism , and whatever she would do, he did better.[/QUOTE]
I, simply can't see Ororo reaching out electromagnetically from Earth, into the asteroid belt, and pulling an [B][U][URL="https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/asteroids/in-depth/"]M-type[/URL][/U][/B] rock back to Earth's orbit.
[QUOTE=Micabe;5635992]I, simply can't see Ororo reaching out electromagnetically from Earth, into the asteroid belt, and pulling an [B][U][URL="https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/asteroids/in-depth/"]M-type[/URL][/U][/B] rock back to Earth's orbit.[/QUOTE]
I could totally see Ororo do something like this in order to avoid hurting Magneto’s feelings :p :
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“ Electric Propulsion (EP) is a class of space propulsion which makes use of electrical power to accelerate a propellant by different possible electrical and/or magnetic means. The use of electrical power enhances the propulsive performances of the EP thrusters compared with conventional chemical thrusters. Unlike chemical systems, electric propulsion requires very little mass to accelerate a spacecraft. The propellant is ejected up to twenty times faster than from a classical chemical thruster and therefore the overall system is many times more mass efficient.
Electric Propulsion, when compared with chemical propulsion, is not limited in energy, but is only limited by the available electrical power on-board the spacecraft. Therefore EP is suitable for low-thrust (micro and milli-newton levels) long-duration applications on board spacecrafts. The propellant used in EP systems varies with the type of thruster and can be a rare gas (i.e. xenon or argon), a liquid metal or, in some cases, a conventional propellant.”[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5635961]oh thats an excellent example I completely forgot about that one.
I see your point and agree. I love how you dissect and breakdown these showings. you add an extra layer I didn't think about.[/QUOTE]
I enjoy the collective lore/theory crafting going on in this thread immensely. You contribuited so much more than I ever could.
[QUOTE=Daedra;5636057][COLOR="#A9A9A9"]I could totally see Ororo do something like this in order to avoid hurting Magneto’s feelings :p[/COLOR]:
“ Electric Propulsion (EP) is a class of space propulsion which makes use of electrical power to accelerate a propellant by different possible electrical and/or magnetic means. The use of electrical power enhances the propulsive performances of the EP thrusters compared with conventional chemical thrusters. Unlike chemical systems, electric propulsion requires very little mass to accelerate a spacecraft. The propellant is ejected up to twenty times faster than from a classical chemical thruster and therefore the overall system is many times more mass efficient.
Electric Propulsion, when compared with chemical propulsion, is not limited in energy, but is only limited by the available electrical power on-board the spacecraft. Therefore EP is suitable for low-thrust (micro and milli-newton levels) long-duration applications on board spacecrafts. The propellant used in EP systems varies with the type of thruster and can be a rare gas (i.e. xenon or argon), a liquid metal or, in some cases, a conventional propellant.”
[URL="https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Space_Engineering_Technology/What_is_Electric_propulsion"]https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Space_Engineering_Technology/What_is_Electric_propulsion[/URL][/QUOTE]
I have no idea what you're trying to say or prove there.
[QUOTE=Daedra;5636084]I enjoy the collective lore/theory crafting going on in this thread immensely. You contribuited so much more than I ever could.[/QUOTE]
why thanks love I just value what we all bring big or small. it does make me question how some writers only write her doing lightning when all this information is out there and with how many out of box ideas those have made in regards to what she could potentially do. electric propulsion?!? like I didn't even know that was a thing lol.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5635960]Imagine her on the planet Arakko creating the face of an element of water, earth, air... to communicate with someone? It would be really cool to see that in the comics besides showing a long range and that the Goddess has mastery of the elements of two planets.
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Aquaman?!? Really :p
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5635080]never forget:
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Don't get me wrong, but I don't understand it, I find this very contradictory. Yes I recognize what he did for Storm, but it's just speeches, words and interviews like?? Where was Claremont when Storm was demoted in the comics, and because he let a White Woman have more highlights, get an up (The Fire Chicken), instead of knowing... May Storm be the most powerful woman, the goddness
[QUOTE=Micabe;5636090]I have no idea what you're trying to say or prove there.[/QUOTE]
That if she really wanted Ororo could propel an asteroid or even better a comet by means of electric propulsion and rare gasses
[QUOTE=Stormy;5636109]Don't get me wrong, but I don't understand it, I find this very contradictory. Yes I recognize what he did for Storm, but it's just speeches, words and interviews like?? Where was Claremont when Storm was demoted in the comics, and because he let a White Woman have more highlights, get an up (The Fire Chicken), instead of knowing... May Storm be the most powerful woman, the goddness[/QUOTE]
it depends on how you look at this.
jesn, by all purposes, was given a very powerful cosmic being but she ultimately succumbed to its power. ororo, on the other hand, was already at that power level and when tempted to go dark during roguestorm she overcame that temptation. it was because storm has typically chosen her humanity over power that we have not seen such an ascension until recently with hadari yao.
Oh happy 400 pages storm friends!!!!!
[QUOTE=Daedra;5636057]I could totally see Ororo do something like this in order to avoid hurting Magneto’s feelings :p :
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“ Electric Propulsion (EP) is a class of space propulsion which makes use of electrical power to accelerate a propellant by different possible electrical and/or magnetic means. The use of electrical power enhances the propulsive performances of the EP thrusters compared with conventional chemical thrusters. Unlike chemical systems, electric propulsion requires very little mass to accelerate a spacecraft. The propellant is ejected up to twenty times faster than from a classical chemical thruster and therefore the overall system is many times more mass efficient.
Electric Propulsion, when compared with chemical propulsion, is not limited in energy, but is only limited by the available electrical power on-board the spacecraft. Therefore EP is suitable for low-thrust (micro and milli-newton levels) long-duration applications on board spacecrafts. The propellant used in EP systems varies with the type of thruster and can be a rare gas (i.e. xenon or argon), a liquid metal or, in some cases, a conventional propellant.”[/COLOR]
[URL="https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Space_Engineering_Technology/What_is_Electric_propulsion"]https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Space_Engineering_Technology/What_is_Electric_propulsion[/URL][/QUOTE]
Period point blank.
Storm better get some great showings soon. Im tired of the underestimating of her abilities.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5636122]it depends on how you look at this.
jesn, by all purposes, was given a very powerful cosmic being but she ultimately succumbed to its power. ororo, on the other hand, was already at that power level and when tempted to go dark during roguestorm she overcame that temptation. it was because storm has typically chosen her humanity over power that we have not seen such an ascension until recently with hadari yao.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but the point I'm getting at is that he barely moved his finger to develop Storm, it was just words, but he didn't show it in the comics, I wanted to know where he was all those years when Ororo was abused, even when the posed to say that she was never a Goddess. And it's also more problematic to get a white woman to level or surpass the power of a black woman, he kind of let that happen. He didn't talk about what he actually showed in the comics, but he only spoke in an interview "I designed her to be the most powerful elemental", great, but because he didn't do great things (He even considered putting Magneto to colonize Mars on his own) , but what about Ororo? Was it just mentions? Roguestorm, Galactic Core was very good, I don't deny it, but why did he stop there? Why did he let them reduce the storm in the comics?
He was always more Magneto, Jean >>>>> Storm
[QUOTE=Micabe;5635992]I, simply can't see Ororo reaching out electromagnetically from Earth, into the asteroid belt, and pulling an [B][U][URL="https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/asteroids/in-depth/"]M-type[/URL][/U][/B] rock back to Earth's orbit.[/QUOTE]
Well when she is written constantly to just throw lightning wind and occasionally create rain ofcourse you and many others would question whether she can do such a thing. The fact of the matter is that magneto's abilities is part of her omega powerset she can replicate anything he can do same way Mr M can do what she can do with weather as it's a part of his omega powerset. Hence why we are excited that she is getting a space oriented focus for the next few years.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5635974]Thanks for enlightening me, my fear is that some Omega Mutant in the Manipulation of Electromagnetism would come and throw Storm aside, some time ago I saw an Magneto fan saying that Magneto was more powerful than Ororo for having full control over the spectrum of electromagnetism , and whatever she would do, he did better.[/QUOTE]
Yh magneto fans are a bit out there... I love Erik a lot and I know a full deal on his powerset and even understand the science behind them and to be frank his true power is omega level magnetism not omega level electromagnetism. Magnetism is a sub set of electromagnetism yes having high tier magnetism can enable you to pull of some electromagnetic feats but ultimately you are limited. If magneto had electromagnetism he would have full control over matter not just metal but as we have seen he doesn't even have control over all metals due to some being non magnetic in nature.
Storm has the full electromagnetic spectrum and the electromagnetic force as part of her omega powerset. That is wayy more impressive than anything Erik can mister and that's just one sub set of her very cvast abilities as her manipulation of energies that govern weather transcends into the exotic as we saw in the trion dimension.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5636122]it depends on how you look at this.
jesn, by all purposes, was given a very powerful cosmic being but she ultimately succumbed to its power. ororo, on the other hand, was already at that power level and when tempted to go dark during roguestorm she overcame that temptation. it was because storm has typically chosen her humanity over power that we have not seen such an ascension until recently with hadari yao.[/QUOTE]
That's because unlike jean storm was always bred with insurmountable power. She was until jean because the pheonix the most powerful mutant introduced. And has been consistently pottrayed during claremonts run to be the heaviest hitter in the team.