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[quote=mercury;5669918]if she had understood the mechanics of telepathy, she wouldn’t have needed to ask emma for help, i.e., to allow her into her mind. I’m just saying.
In either case, i’ve realized debates like these will only result in circular arguments. I’m done.[/quote]
.... .... K
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5669778]In the Age of the X-Men (I don't remember if it's canonical or not) Nate felt a storm from Ororo was psychically affected..
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was him being hurt because of her storm? I know storm has created a storm to try and shield his mind from them but I didn't know he was affected by it.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669908]So storm did something that Emma needed a machine to do meaning storm was actually more proficient at telepathy than Emma? Well that is interesting.[/QUOTE]
No. Storm uses telepathy to help Emma calm the storm but then uses the same gun to switch bodies back at which point she seems completely immune to emma's telepathy and this was the real start of Ororo's telepathic resistance imo. We saw it in flashbacks of course but this imo was like the real push toward seeing her overcome it.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669920]Yh Emma did that before she tried again and she got fried so bringing up Emma is not going to help your argument. Also xavier himself with cerebro has told storm that under normal circumstance it takes a lot of effort for him to reach her mind with cerebro and that is when she allows it when she becomes agitated she causes him pain. This is xavier with cerebro the man who's telepathy is sooo powerful in of itself that he can link billions of minds at once with cerebro which greatly Amps that power saying that touching storms mind is actually very difficult.[/QUOTE]
Jean’s mind, as has been stated, is more powerful than Xavier’s.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669892]don't forget she had phoenix too. it wasn't really a Jean feat but the phoenix. they are two separate entities you know.
[COLOR="#A9A9A9"]Jean explicitly said she can't due to the static around her brain. which also coincides with Hickman. storm mind has to allow them in her psyche to prob deeper to find the virus.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Don't nitpick it makes you appear desperate...
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669892]don't forget she had phoenix too. it wasn't really a Jean feat but the phoenix. they are two separate entities you know.
[COLOR="#A9A9A9"]Jean explicitly said she can't due to the static around her brain. which also coincides with Hickman. storm mind has to allow them in her psyche to prob deeper to find the virus.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Don't nitpick it makes you appear desperate...
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669803]To be frank though jean is an omega telepath the xmen as a whole the telepaths especially know it's a bad idea to mess with storms mind Emma tried it and found out, xavier with cerebro struggles to get a hold on her and she was permitting him. Her omega abilities and her indomitable will are what protect her mind. Yes it has been ignored in the past by certain writers but fact of the matter and lore established is that storm is basically a telepaths worst nightmare in battle especially when she is angry.[/QUOTE]
yes storms mind offers feedback that will knock any telepath on their arse if they try to forcefully control her:
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5669924]No. Storm uses telepathy to help Emma calm the storm but then uses the same gun to switch bodies back at which point she seems completely immune to emma's telepathy and this was the real start of Ororo's telepathic resistance imo. We saw it in flashbacks of course but this imo was like the real push toward seeing her overcome it.[/QUOTE]
Yh that makes sense because she has spent time with one of the most powerful telepathic ability in the world she has a handle on how to counter it should she meet it. The problem is that the writer's enjoy forgetting this, lazy writing if you ask me.
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Jean is more powerful than Xavier and Frost combined. When Jean is the Phoenix, Jean is unstoppable as the Psionic Goddess.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669818]Invisible woman can block to and tk with her abilities.... And as storms powers are psionic I assume she can block hers too.... But storm also has mystical control over the elements so that can affect her shields.[/QUOTE]
storms powers have been able to work through sues forcefield before:
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remember though psionic proros powers are uniquely different than the others. she's actually connected and one with the forces she controls that cannot be severed due to a shield.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669930]yes storms mind offers feedback that will knock any telepath on their arse if they try to forcefully control her:[/QUOTE]
And what if a telepath wasn’t trying to control her but simply wanted to discharge a supernova in her psyche?
In either case, Emma Frost, Shadow King, and most recently Knull, have all controlled Ororo in some fashion and neither is an Omega telepath, though one was a god, I’ll grant you that.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5669929]Don't nitpick it makes you appear desperate...[/QUOTE]
Bruh jean and the pheonix are two separate beings what jean does by the pheonix is not jean doing it. On her own she is strong enough but y'all trying to amalgamate them together makes jean look pathetic on her own and leading to this impression amongst comic book fans that without the pheonix she is weak when she is an actual omega.
It's not nitpicking it's giving advice on how to not make an argument when it comes to jeans abilities which without the pheonix are amazing on their own too.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669934]storms powers have been able to work through sues forcefield before:
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remember though psionic proros powers are uniquely different than the others. she's actually connected and one with the forces she controls that cannot be severed due to a shield.[/QUOTE]
Oh that changes the whole storm vs sue debate since I was under the impression that her power couldn't penetrate.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5669886]Freeze light and nuclear reactions? Seriously?:confused:?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but don't take it literally, Iceman was able to stop the kinetic energy (movement) of light, if you want to know more about that, recommend see these two links.
[url]https://gizmodo.com/scientists-freeze-light-for-an-entire-minute-912634479[/url]
[url]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/cryomodeste/blog/iceman-freezing-speed-of-light-explained/134072/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Mercury;5669937]And what if a telepath wasn’t trying to control her but simply wanted to discharge a supernova in her psyche?
In either case, Emma Frost, Shadow King, and most recently Knull, have all controlled Ororo in some fashion and neither is an Omega telepath, though one was a god, I’ll grant you that.[/QUOTE]
She would feel it especially if it's jean or a telepath whose mind she is familiar with abd she would retaliate HARD!