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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697347]Dude, you have no idea how many Storm debates I've had over her powers. Myself and other Storm fans use to go to war on this board and Comicvine. LOL, I'm still banned on some boards. I remember one time we did a Iron Man Vs Storm debate that went on for almost a month.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, you know what it's like to see a character reduced to lightning and gales. When she can do so much more than that.
@Amazona dos Ventos did a text, showed scans and scientific basis to show why Storm has potential gravity manipulation, maybe not like characters like Graviton and Northstar, but still has a level ..
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697352]But beyond matter, Storm manipulates energy, as well as using a fundamental force from the universe as the source of its powers. I explained in all ways how the dynamics of the storm powers are, that as much as they are psionic, they are not directly linked to telekinesis. You prefer to fantasize things by seeing it so simple and practical that it is being shown here for you in a very didactic way, even.[/QUOTE]
It's still through psionic energy.
It's the same thing that allows Pyro to create fire or Magma to create earthquakes or Gypsymoth to manipulate fabrics. It just a specified form of telekinesis or psychokinesis. Both Storm and Jean Grey can control molecules and atom through their psionic abilities. According to Marvel the only way to do that is either telekinesis or psychokinesis.
[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697356]Maybe it's because you act nonsense, you prefer to punch at the tip of a knife and believe that she is a telekinetic than believing that she is an energy manipulator, what I'm talking about are canonical facts. Show me inside the canon where Storm claims to have telekinesis and I'll shut up.[/QUOTE]
No silly. I never said she wasn't an energy manipulator. I said her abilities are a form of either telekinesis or psychokinesis. Your putting a limit on what telekinesis (or psychokinesis) can do. You're thinking it can only manipulee the physicals matter were in truth Storm can rip the electron from atoms.
A powerful TK like Jean and Storm could rearrange the planet if they wanted too.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5697266]Keep in mind the space lubber made black holes and Worm holes for transportation but its shields were made of plasma. Still a great showing in the story a lightning bolt from Storm harmed it and it can withstand black holes.[/QUOTE]
I wanted to see more of these Storm superpowers dealing massive damage on superheavy characters.
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I think it is fair to think of Storm's power as a highly specialized version of telepathy(mentally aware of and in communication with the universe/atmosphere/environment) and telekinesis(mentally able to move/control the universe/atmosphere/environment). Her power is unquestionably psionic in nature. Moving something without physically touching it is broadly defined as tele/psychokinesis. It fits.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697366]It's still through psionic energy.
It's the same thing that allows Pyro to create fire or Magma to create earthquakes or Gypsymoth to manipulate fabrics. It just a specified form of telekinesis or psychokinesis. Both Storm and Jean Grey can control molecules and atom through their psionic abilities. According to Marvel the only way to do that is either telekinesis or psychokinesis.
No silly. I never said she wasn't an energy manipulator. I said her abilities are a form of either telekinesis or psychokinesis. Your putting a limit on what telekinesis (or psychokinesis) can do. You're thinking it can only manipulee the physicals matter were in truth Storm can rip the electron from atoms.
A powerful TK like Jean and Storm could rearrange the planet if they wanted too.[/QUOTE]
But I didn't say I wasn't psionic, I just said that doesn't make Storm a telekinesis user. It was good that you cited pyro as an example. It's not because he can shape fire or make a bird of fire psionically fly through the skies that he has telekinesis, it's called pyrokinesis.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5697373]I think it is fair to think of Storm's power as a highly specialized version of telepathy(mentally aware of and in communication with the universe/atmosphere/environment) and telekinesis(mentally able to move/control the universe/atmosphere/environment). Her power is unquestionably psionic in nature. Moving something without physically touching it is broadly defined as tele/psychokinesis. It fits.[/QUOTE]
But if storm has a specialized version of telepathy and telekinesis that connects with the universe, that only reinforces the idea that it can manipulate gravity, which is one of the four main forces in the universe.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5697373]I think it is fair to think of Storm's power as a highly specialized version of telepathy(mentally aware of and in communication with the universe/atmosphere/environment) and telekinesis(mentally able to move/control the universe/atmosphere/environment). Her power is unquestionably psionic in nature. Moving something without physically touching it is broadly defined as tele/psychokinesis. It fits.[/QUOTE]
I can go with the telepath part...it makes sense.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697309]No. Her powers are a form of telekinesis. In Marvel the movement of matter with psionic energy is either telekinesis or psychokinesis. Psionic abilities are like the [B][U][I]Power Cosmic[/I][/U][/B], meaning it cover whatever the wrier needs to be explained without going to much into detail.
She has a specify form of telekinesis.
Now here the funny part...the Power Cosmic gets its power from the Psionic energy of the universe. Meaning Storm's abilities could branch into a much greater area of powers.
Maybe so, but as of right now Marvel has never said her powers have any control over gravity.
And your thinking to deep on a story that written in the 70's. ;)[/QUOTE]
Actually psionic means to manipulate mentally in marvel too. So Storm powers are Kinetic but not telekinetic. But if they were telekinetic she would be near the highest level of telekinesis
Also if we go by retcons that would means Divine magic > Psionic and Power cosmic. Osthur powers are divine and she created the astral plane which is one of the four inner planes in marvel. Apparently, Storm invoked her or unlocked that godhead passed from her ancestors. Since Osthur did favor Storm's family.
But before Retcons, the power cosmic is cosmic power from the old universe before it was destroyed and made again by apparently the phoenix. Also once again before the Retcons, the phoenix was the source of psionic energy.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5697373]I think it is fair to think of Storm's power as a highly specialized version of telepathy(mentally aware of and in communication with the universe/atmosphere/environment) and telekinesis(mentally able to move/control the universe/atmosphere/environment). Her power is unquestionably psionic in nature. Moving something without physically touching it is broadly defined as tele/psychokinesis. It fits.[/QUOTE]
1. What you described is cosmic awareness and ecological empathy.
2. Telekinesis is mind over matter. Storm directly controls energy. Matter does not equal energy.
Surfer has Asterokinesis which means he can mentally control cosmic energy. But we know it is not telekinetic because his source is from the Power Cosmic.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5697391]1. [B]What you described is cosmic awareness and ecological empathy[/B].
2. Telekinesis is mind over matter. Storm directly controls energy. Matter does not equal energy.
Surfer has Asterokinesis which means he can mentally control cosmic energy. But we know it is not telekinetic because his source is from the Power Cosmic.[/QUOTE]
Yes, i love you.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5697387]Actually psionic means to manipulate mentally in marvel too. So Storm powers are Kinetic but not telekinetic. But if they were telekinetic she would be near the highest level of telekinesis
Also if we go by retcons that would means Divine magic > Psionic and Power cosmic. [B]Osthur powers are divine and she created the astral plane which is one of the four inner planes in marvel.[/B] Apparently, Storm invoked her or unlocked that godhead passed from her ancestors. Since Osthur did favor Storm's family.
But before Retcons, the power cosmic is cosmic power from the old universe before it was destroyed and made again by apparently the phoenix. Also once again before the Retcons, the phoenix was the source of psionic energy.[/QUOTE]
lol, didn't know, do you know what the issue is?
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5697387]Actually psionic means to manipulate mentally in marvel too. So Storm powers are Kinetic but not telekinetic. But if they were telekinetic she would be near the highest level of telekinesis [/QUOTE]
Psionic just means power of the mind. Truthfully, psionic abilities cover dame near 90% of the superhuman abilities of Marvel...and yes she a ver y powerful telekinetic
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697387]Also if we go by retcons that would means Divine magic > Psionic and Power cosmic. Osthur powers are divine and she created the astral plane which is one of the four inner planes in marvel. Apparently, Storm invoked her or unlocked that godhead passed from her ancestors. Since Osthur did favor Storm's family.[/QUOTE]
Alright
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697387]But before Retcons, the power cosmic is cosmic power from the old universe before it was destroyed and made again by apparently the phoenix. Also once again before the Retcons, the phoenix was the source of psionic energy.[/QUOTE]
Hell I can't remember, was the Phoenix Force born from the Psionic Plans or was it the source. Gotta reread Excalibur.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5697391]1. What you described is cosmic awareness and ecological empathy.
[B]2. Telekinesis is mind over matter. Storm directly controls energy. Matter does not equal energy.[/B]
Surfer has Asterokinesis which means he can mentally control cosmic energy. But we know it is not telekinetic because his source is from the Power Cosmic.[/QUOTE]
In this case it does. See Magneto and Polaris
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697415]In this case it does. See Magneto and Polaris[/QUOTE]
Matter is built up of energy but it is not energy.
The case of Polaris and Magneto is the same case of Storm, manipulation of electromagnetic energy.
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5697402]lol, didn't know, do you know what the issue is?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697424]The case of Polaris and Magneto is the same case of Storm, manipulation of electromagnetic energy.[/QUOTE]
Through psionic energy...the manipulation of anything through psionic means is either telekinesis or psychokinesis.
I can't explain it anymore.
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While I would love to see her learn more about her magical roots...I feel like it might be overkill with her godhood.
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Ororo is already part of it
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i can't read, the quality is bad lol