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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5562500]So...Storm is an omnipotent weather manipulator who can create frog storms and cotton candy rain out of nothing...yeah...
On that note...I'm out.[/QUOTE]
You obviously didn’t comprehend my response. I said her electromagnetic abilities (which is a versatile power set alone) allows her to manipulate inorganic or organic matter on a atomic or molecular scale. Which means if writers ever bothered to explore that power set she could a elemental sersi. Last time I checked air, ions, gas and more can be manipulated
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5557824]why would u like to see her with adult cable?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5557850]I think it’s also been hinted at that Adult Cable would joint SWORD.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Exactly. The two of them in SWORD makes that book a must read for me, as I’m a fan of both characters. More so than anyone else currently in that book. And Ewing seems like a very capable writer.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5557875]oh I see. I dint think they have much if any interaction since the 90s right?[/QUOTE]
They haven’t had much direct interaction since the 90s, you are correct. I always liked their friendship. Not pushing for a romance, just a friendship. Seems like they’re both pretty intelligent, well traveled souls and thus would get along.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5562537]You obviously didn’t comprehend my response. I said her electromagnetic abilities (which is a versatile power set alone) allows her to manipulate inorganic or organic matter on a atomic or molecular scale. Which means if writers ever bothered to explore that power set she could a elemental sersi. [B]Last time I checked air, ions, gas and more can be manipulated[/B][/QUOTE]
Every Storm fan knows that.
But the discussion was about being able to create frog storms and cotton candy rain.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5562500]So...Storm is an omnipotent weather manipulator who can create frog storms and cotton candy rain out of nothing...yeah...
On that note...I'm out.[/QUOTE]
lmaoooooooo
I wonder who would win in a fight between Storm and Batman
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5562465]A reality manipulator can make it rain candy but...do you walk outside in the middle of winter, stick your tongue out, and have cotton candy flakes melt on your tongue? I'm guessing "No".
She can make rain...she can't make cotton candy. Because cotton candy, frogs and locusts are not naturally occurring elements of weather and the energies that make up weather and the atmosphere. I don't know how else to explain it.
And even if she could do something that ridiculous...why would she?[/QUOTE]
Hmmm I see she is manipulator not manifestor so that makes sense. She is limited to what is already there as it is already stated.
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[QUOTE=davetvs;5562599]lmaoooooooo
I wonder who would win in a fight between Storm and Batman[/QUOTE]
Batman he has something storm doesn't capitalism.
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[QUOTE=chief12d;5557618]Yea Storm must have a big story in SWORD if they’re being so quiet about it. But it’s still possible she ends up on whatever Hickman project he does. It’s nearly halfway through the year and we still have very little idea of what the plans are lol, give us the title she’ll be appearing in at least lol.
I don’t base my assessment of Ewing’s superior writing of POC characters based off Vita not being the best Storm writer. I think Vita does fine with POC characters, including Storm. I just think he’s a better writer than her in general and virtually every non-white writer at Marvel.
But unlike other talents like say Ben Percy (who’s been underperforming on X-Force), Ewing goes out of his way to highlight his POC characters, which means he tends to do a better job of characterizing and developing them than most everyone in the industry (regardless of race).[/QUOTE]
Agreed and co-signed!!!
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5562479]Storm has potential to manipulate “reality” by that I mean her EM abilities. She has the potential to use those abilities to manipulate on a molecular or atomic level basically making her an elemental Sersi. But writers aren’t versatile with the energies Storm control.[/QUOTE]
My question was to streatch her abilities as marvel can't do that. Like what does it mean to be an omega weather manipulator. I think kyss or another asked once on comicvine. I have been thinking about that I mean she is also mystical in nature so I can believe the cotton candy stuff being from magic but her mutation I don't think can allow this it has limits.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5562527]So, if Storm were teleported to a world where it actually did rain frogs and cotton candy, she'd be able to summon it as easily as she does our rain? Or am I missing something in all of this, lol?[/QUOTE]
I think so since those are the weather effects of that environment. Then on that note isn't she severely handicapped in an area where the atmosphere is very thin say mars or mercury. She is as strong as the elements at her disposal.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5562537]You obviously didn’t comprehend my response. I said her electromagnetic abilities (which is a versatile power set alone) allows her to manipulate inorganic or organic matter on a atomic or molecular scale. Which means if writers ever bothered to explore that power set she could a elemental sersi. Last time I checked air, ions, gas and more can be manipulated[/QUOTE]
I don't think they would ever go that far into her abilities. It's in their best interest to not make her anymore powerful than she is to be able to tell believable stories still. Because once she can do all that why does she need a team I mean many are asking now and all she does in the majority is throw lighting and wind imagine then.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5562576]Every Storm fan knows that.
But the discussion was about being able to create frog storms and cotton candy rain.[/QUOTE]
Oh yh I think they mean electromagnetism as the force that governs all chemical and physical phenomena except for mass and celestial motion. If EM is a subset of her omega power she has in theory the power to affect matter on an atomic level. That would make the cotton candy rain not soo crazy anymore lol.
But like I said marvel can't go that deep or else trouble.
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[QUOTE=Jackraow21;5562551]Yes. Exactly. The two of them in SWORD makes that book a must read for me, as I’m a fan of both characters. More so than anyone else currently in that book. And Ewing seems like a very capable writer.
They haven’t had much direct interaction since the 90s, you are correct. I always liked their friendship. Not pushing for a romance, just a friendship. Seems like they’re both pretty intelligent, well traveled souls and thus would get along.[/QUOTE]
yes I would very much enjoy a friendship between the two. I enjoyed their team-up against hulk and even in her mini they definitely seemed to have a deep bond for one another.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5562280]What do we think of her statements here. Can she really create storms of locust or make it rain frogs?
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I never read ultimate xmen so im not familiar with that but I think she could doing tornado fire naturally but not the other stuff she mentioned.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5562645]Oh yh I think they mean electromagnetism as the force that governs all chemical and physical phenomena except for mass and celestial motion. If EM is a subset of her omega power she has in theory the power to affect matter on an atomic level. That would make the cotton candy rain not soo crazy anymore lol.
But like I said marvel can't go that deep or else trouble.[/QUOTE]
So let me understand this...because she might theoretically be able to affect matter on an atomic level she should be able to turn H2O into frogs?
Then that would make her a reality warper...which she is not...and probably the real reason why Marvel [B]won't[/B] go that deep.
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how does one explain what she did when she healed the Trion dimension:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/57420/5669084-1479385008-43874.jpg[/img]
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Storm fans, what are her weaknesses?
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5562500]So...Storm is an omnipotent weather manipulator who can create frog storms and cotton candy rain out of nothing...yeah...
On that note...I'm out.[/QUOTE]
I mean technically once she learn her untap magical elder gods bloodline that created the eye of armagato deity magical Windrider abilities I'm sure she be able to. I mean she is the Marvel universe Goddess. Hello Megan!
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As for Adult Cable joining S.W.O.R.D along with Storm. Sound great and an interesting duo and read. I just hope they don't ship them together and try to rekindle what was once hinted upon.
I'm here for the Royal couple. Not Storm joining the Grey/Summer line. She does not need to be another Lorna. I want Storm to be responsible for her own Omega babies
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That Trion feat while phenomenal, they never say exactly how she did what she did. But...I'm guessing
Going by what Gambit says and that realm was essentially an alternate dimension where the energies the Trion were channeling were "magical" in nature, and Storm, being attuned to magical energies...she was able to eventually acclimate to it and manipulate it on a dimensional scale. As she would any other unfamiliar environment.
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That makes sense to me. Its ultimately just energy she manipulates. She is not a reality warper her mutant powers allow for the manipulation of natural forces and energy. Can she rearrange molecules? Well she has definitely manipulated atoms such as when she fought Silver Surfer in space. However, her mutant powers don't allow her to create something from nothing.
Not talking Hadari yao powers. Not sure what she can do when in her godhead form.
Sidebar i love that Coates made Storm a goddess and Black Panther an emperor. Here really did some out of the box stuff and I hope it continues with the next writer.
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I think a compelling argument could be made that Storm [B]actually is [/B]a 'reality warper', who just subconsciously limits herself to 'weather effects'. What else is 'the weather' other than 'the local state of reality', after all. When you get down to it, by controlling things down to the subatomic scale, up to the dimensional scale, she really could do anything if she wants to. Ultimately it's fruitless to speculate too much, since she's branded as 'Storm', so those rare feats aside, lightning and wind are the main tools she employs on the page, but if you really think about it, there should be no limit to her powers [particularly if she accesses her magical/divine heritage].
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5562852]I think a compelling argument could be made that Storm [B]actually is [/B]a 'reality warper', who just subconsciously limits herself to 'weather effects'. What else is 'the weather' other than 'the local state of reality', after all. When you get down to it, by controlling things down to the subatomic scale, up to the dimensional scale, she really could do anything if she wants to. Ultimately it's fruitless to speculate too much, since she's branded as 'Storm', so those rare feats aside, lightning and wind are the main tools she employs on the page, but if you really think about it, there should be no limit to her powers [particularly if she accesses her magical/divine heritage].[/QUOTE]
first off welcome back you been mia.
to the point about reality warping I understand that argument as that explains how we see her doing feats beyond just weather; however, even with that she still has to work with atoms/molecules that are present in the natural world. she can create atoms/molecules from nothing which would place her in the actual category of reality warpers.
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That definition of reality warping is pretty...esoteric. Even by Marvel Universe standards. She doesn't really limit herself rather that's just how her specific mutant powers work...across a myriad of spectrums and dimensions.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5562844]That makes sense to me. Its ultimately just energy she manipulates. She is not a reality warper her mutant powers allow for the manipulation of natural forces and energy. Can she rearrange molecules? Well she has definitely manipulated atoms such as when she fought Silver Surfer in space. However, her mutant powers don't allow her to create something from nothing.
Not talking Hadari yao powers. Not sure what she can do when in her godhead form.
Sidebar i love that Coates made Storm a goddess and Black Panther an emperor. Here really did some out of the box stuff and I hope it continues with the next writer.[/QUOTE]
She is an energy manipulator, but the difference between her and someone like Vulcan for example is that he directly manipulates all types of energy itself. Storm manipulates the conditions of energy within an natural atmosphere or medium. She can control the direction, speed, density, temperature, pressure, humidity, etc of the atmosphere by manipulating the natural forces and energy patterns contained within it. There is energy moving all the time around us in fluid mediums such as the air, the water, and the sun. If you look under the microscope you can see the particles moving because of kinetic energy, in a solid the particles are stuck together and just vibrate because they have very little kinetic .They have no patterns, no movement. That’s why it’s the only thing she can’t manipulate. It also aligns with her story as she hates to be confined. She likes to be free in the air and space and it’s in those two mediums where her powers shine the most.
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[QUOTE=Idiopop;5562879]She is an energy manipulator, but the difference between her and someone like Vulcan for example is that he directly manipulates all types of energy itself. Storm manipulates the conditions of energy within an natural atmosphere or medium. She can control the direction, speed, density, temperature, pressure, humidity, etc of the atmosphere by manipulating the natural forces and energy patterns contained within it. There is energy moving all the time around us in fluid mediums such as the air, the water, and the sun. If you look under the microscope you can see the particles moving because of kinetic energy, in a solid the particles are stuck together and just vibrate because they have very little kinetic .They have no patterns, no movement. That’s why it’s the only thing she can’t manipulate. It also aligns with her story as she hates to be confined. She likes to be free in the air and space and it’s in those two mediums where her powers shine the most.[/QUOTE]
what types of energy can Vulcan control that storm wouldnt be able to? are you saying energy such as kinetic and potential energies she cannot control? you said "that's why its the only thing she can't manipulate" but not sure exactly what you're referring to here.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5562894]what types of energy can Vulcan control that storm wouldnt be able to? are you saying energy such as kinetic and potential energies she cannot control? you said "that's why its the only thing she can't manipulate" but not sure exactly what you're referring to here.[/QUOTE]
Specifically speaking of her mutant ability, as far as kinetic and potential energy those are natural so she can control them, Vulcan has also controlled unnatural forms of energy such as magic, and other mutants powers. She’s not a telekinetic so she can’t exactly move something like a solid that isn’t already in motion.
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We’re forgetting Storm is a energy manipulator that specializes in weather manipulation. As stated about if Marvel actually went into depth of the energies Storm control she could very well warp “reality”.. Quantum manipulation is a sub power of EM manipulation. EM is a vast power set alone.
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[QUOTE=Idiopop;5562996]Specifically speaking of her mutant ability, as far as kinetic and potential energy those are natural so she can control them, Vulcan has also controlled unnatural forms of energy such as magic, and other mutants powers. She’s not a telekinetic so she can’t exactly move something like a solid that isn’t already in motion.[/QUOTE]
oh so you are speaking about psionic energy. ok u guess that is fair though I would argue she move things with her mind by way of manipulating wind or electrons such as when she created wind in the world dimension. she can't directly pick up an object and move it like a tk would but her wind in many ways does behave similarly.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5562997]We’re forgetting Storm is a energy manipulator that specializes in weather manipulation. As stated about if Marvel actually went into depth of the energies Storm control she could very well warp “reality”.. Quantum manipulation is a sub power of EM manipulation. EM is a vast power set alone.[/QUOTE]
shouldn't she be able to manipulate em as well?
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^^ Yes I was just stating vast of a power set EM is. She has the abilities to transmute if marvel really went into her powers. I don’t think that would ever happen. Magneto doesn’t even do it and that’s his main power unlike Storm. Plus to keep her from becoming too powerful. She already got a godhead which oneshotted a multiversal demon and a bug that can tank black holes and worm holes.
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In fact Storm has already shown basic abilities of her transmutation by warping her clothes. She even used lightning to make clothes from nothing. The ability is here but it just not explored.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5563042]^^ Yes I was just stating vast of a power set EM is. She has the abilities to transmute if marvel really went into her powers. I don’t think that would ever happen. Magneto doesn’t even do it and that’s his main power unlike Storm. Plus to keep her from becoming too powerful. She already got a godhead which oneshotted a multiversal demon and a bug that can tank black holes and worm holes.[/QUOTE]
I got you. I honestly wouldn't mind that piece be ignored if that part if they truly explore her godhead abilities
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5562703]So let me understand this...because she might theoretically be able to affect matter on an atomic level she should be able to turn H2O into frogs?
Then that would make her a reality warper...which she is not...and probably the real reason why Marvel [B]won't[/B] go that deep.[/QUOTE]
Not really matter manipulation is not reality warping. They are different abilities usually mistaken for the other. Matter manipulation can't control at least in theory forces like gravity, space, time, concepts like order, chaos....etc. it's limited to materials or substances. But on the EM from yes she can in THEORY because em is the energy that governs all physical phenomenon chemistry, biology all fundamentally work due to EM and if she has direct control over this fundamental force on an omega level then yh in THEORY it should be possible to transmute matter. But like I said this is likely never to be explored.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5562877]That definition of reality warping is pretty...esoteric. Even by Marvel Universe standards. She doesn't really limit herself rather that's just how her specific mutant powers work...across a myriad of spectrums and dimensions.[/QUOTE]
Yh exactly it's abstract based changing very concepts and rules not exactly matter manipulation. They interact with laws and principles which govern reality but in various ways through magic, psionics, quantum, universal...etc. that is why they are the strongest manipulators because they control the very rules.
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[QUOTE=davetvs;5562727]Storm fans, what are her weaknesses?[/QUOTE]
Hello, so you seem not to be able to read the title of this thread here is a thread where we discuss storm. We are open to all interpretations of her even hypotheticals, if you find some of that ridiculous you can either add to the conversations or leave if you are going to make unnecessary quips or jabs to her fans.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5562852]I think a compelling argument could be made that Storm [B]actually is [/B]a 'reality warper', who just subconsciously limits herself to 'weather effects'. What else is 'the weather' other than 'the local state of reality', after all. When you get down to it, by controlling things down to the subatomic scale, up to the dimensional scale, she really could do anything if she wants to. Ultimately it's fruitless to speculate too much, since she's branded as 'Storm', so those rare feats aside, lightning and wind are the main tools she employs on the page, but if you really think about it, there should be no limit to her powers [particularly if she accesses her magical/divine heritage].[/QUOTE]
I don't know about reality itself, but I do believe weather means very different things in the universe than it does on earth. I mean the storms and black hole are particle accelerators one uses wind and magnetic energy the other uses gravity and magnetic energy. But like you said she is STORM and that would only apply her to the proverbial sense that is earth weather wind lightning and if lucky rain or hail. Plus like I said her power is likely not going to get development because they would mess with plot and story telling.
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[QUOTE=davetvs;5562727]Storm fans, what are her weaknesses?[/QUOTE]
same as Jean, magneto, kid omega, etc.
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Do we really need Storm to be that overpowered?
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Well Mr. Cockrum did say when he created her he intended for her to be the most powerful female character:
[url]https://seanhowe.tumblr.com/post/127086241752/what-i-had-in-mind-was-to-make-her-the-most[/url]
“What I had in mind was to make her the most powerful woman in comics, and the most beautiful woman in comics, and I think I’ve succeeded,” Dave Cockrum told the audience at RiverCon ‘75. “
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5563124]Do we really need Storm to be that overpowered?[/QUOTE]
No. She was best depowered. Her character flourished. Mary Sues are boring.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5562997]We’re forgetting Storm is a energy manipulator that specializes in weather manipulation. As stated about if Marvel actually went into depth of the energies Storm control she could very well warp “reality”.. Quantum manipulation is a sub power of EM manipulation. EM is a vast power set alone.[/QUOTE]
Yh EM IS NO JOKE! I think people downplay it to metal and em spectrum because magneto. But magneto doesn't have EM as part of his omega powerset he just has magnetism. Which can do some things on the em but he doesn't have full on em manipulation. Storm on the other hand does as a pre requisite of her powers she has the Whole thing not just part of it the electrostatic and magnetism both together can do insane things. And that is not the only force she should theoretically be able to control hence why she is extremely versatile.
