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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5398689]1. her ability that allows her to feel when a tree is dying from being able to detect disturbances with the planet due to her communion granted by her powers does seem somewhat divine in nature. I never really thought about it that way. I won't say she is the most powerful but not many if any mutant I'm aware of can make such a claim thst ororo can. I'm not sure what the xoffices have in store for her but I hope they expound on her gift of godhead.
Yh I do get your statements but I will argue firmly she is the strongest. Long has it been established that Ororo's power in truth is limited by the strength of her body and her will. We know that her body can ascend into an elemental state due to the possibilities shown to us by alternate timelines and the black mirror if not certain is a strong possibility. Now her will the moment I knew without a shadow of a doubt that storm had no limit was when I found out she hosted the conciousness of eternity with no caveats what so ever it was one of the most powerful if not the most powerful testaments to her will and relates to her power being that great at least. Not that she can beat eternity but her potential and strength is literally eternal. But I could be wrong and it could be her divinity also playing a role.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5399179]
Yh I do get your statements but I will argue firmly she is the strongest. Long has it been established that Ororo's power in truth is limited by the strength of her body and her will. We know that her body can ascend into an elemental state due to the possibilities shown to us by alternate timelines and the black mirror if not certain is a strong possibility. Now her will the moment I knew without a shadow of a doubt that storm had no limit was when I found out she hosted the conciousness of eternity with no caveats what so ever it was one of the most powerful if not the most powerful testaments to her will and relates to her power being that great at least. Not that she can beat eternity but her potential and strength is literally eternal. But I could be wrong and it could be her divinity also playing a role.[/QUOTE]
Yes I think you can make the case she is the strongest as her long resume can support such a claim. Though it was never explained beyond the strength of her will, I do think her divine/mystical heritage allows for such a feat. These showings have absolutely nothing to do with her mutation so the other aspects of her powerset is the only other rationale for such a feat.
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I really really wish she was a great actress. *sigh*
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvFmEfdUUAIZqP_?format=jpg&name=medium[/img]
Diop can really act, but I dont know if she has the full Storm look like other actresses.
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvFmEfZVkAAcg4J?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;5399547]I really really wish she was a great actress. *sigh*
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvFmEfdUUAIZqP_?format=jpg&name=medium[/img]
Diop can really act, but I dont know if she has the full Storm look like other actresses.
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvFmEfZVkAAcg4J?format=jpg&name=large[/img][/QUOTE]
who is this woman, the first lady? I just saw her on twitter and who is she playing as? what show,?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5398689]1. her ability that allows her to feel when a tree is dying from being able to detect disturbances with the planet due to her communion granted by her powers does seem somewhat divine in nature. I never really thought about it that way. I won't say she is the most powerful but not many if any mutant I'm aware of can make such a claim thst ororo can. I'm not sure what the xoffices have in store for her but I hope they expound on her gift of godhead.[/QUOTE]
Just throwing this out there, her connection to the earth could be because her family’s lineage, specifically the women, are favored by Osthur, Gaea’s sister, so it could be the earth sees her as family in away.
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[QUOTE=Covetous_One;5399567]Just throwing this out there, her connection to the earth could be because her family’s lineage, specifically the women, are favored by Osthur, Gaea’s sister, so it could be the earth sees her as family in away.[/QUOTE]
yes yes yes I would be for this explanation! i really wish we could get a story that does a deep dive into her connection osthur. I dont think I've read any books where this was explicitly stated in 616.
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5398492]I am truly offended by this comment. You are generalism me with a group which I do not like or fit in. You think that I have problems with all the black heroes team when this is not true at all. All I needed was a few pages showcasing how he contacted them and convince them to come.[B] Miles would be completely out of character (OOC), if he suddenly ditches his school or his city only because someone else calls him for example. [/B]The same goes and for other characters. They suddenly appear in Wakanda for intergalactic threat, I do get that, and I do agree that a bigger team is needed and if it is all black team even better, they get to shine but for real, how did BP convince them to come, what did he say? Did he interact with them over the intercom or did he sent some of his militia to contact them directly. That is the piece that is missing and for me, that is a very important missed opportunity to enhance on BP's connections outside of Wakanda and character evolution.[/QUOTE]
Just a note Miles Morales has done something like this before in his book under Bendis. He ditched school and went all the way to Japan.
It was either Spiderman Miles Morales vol 3 or 4 under Bendis.
Now seeing Prodigy and Storm there-where was Bishop, Synch, Frenzy and even Gentle at?
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;5399574]Just a note Miles Morales has done something like this before in his book under Bendis. He ditched school and went all the way to Japan.
It was either Spiderman Miles Morales vol 3 or 4 under Bendis.
Now seeing Prodigy and Storm there-where was Bishop, Synch, Frenzy and even Gentle at?[/QUOTE]
those children are off doing krakoa stuff. bishop needs permission from kitty to btw lol.
oan: that crown tchalla spke to was very large who is to say they don't appear in the next issue.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5399563]who is this woman. I just saw her on twitter and who is she playing as? what show,?[/QUOTE]
Damaris Lewis. She's playing Blackfire on the show Titans.
[img]https://tvline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/titans-season-2-finale-blackfire.jpg[/img]
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Damaris_Lewis_Cannes_2018_14_%28cropped%29.jpg/220px-Damaris_Lewis_Cannes_2018_14_%28cropped%29.jpg[/img]
She's more known for being a model so her acting has a ways to go. She has that stunning look though.
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;5399583]Damaris Lewis. She's playing Blackfire on the show Titans.
[img]https://tvline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/titans-season-2-finale-blackfire.jpg[/img]
She's more known for being a model so her acting has a ways to go. She has that stunning look though.[/QUOTE]
oh wow I love it!!! I sincerely hope we get a storm with a similar esthetic. DC is not playing with these folks. I thought that was originally Nuria. I was getting excited lol
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When there was talk of recasting T'Challa people thought they pulled off the T'Challa/Ororo look on another forum
[img]https://www.redcarpet-fashionawards.com/2018/05/15/damaris-lewis-in-off-white-blackkklansman-cannes-film-festival-premiere/blackkklansman-red-carpet-arrivals-the-71st-annual-cannes-film-festival-43/[/img]
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;5399593]When there was talk of recasting T'Challa people thought they pulled off the T'Challa/Ororo look on another forum
[img]https://www.redcarpet-fashionawards.com/2018/05/15/damaris-lewis-in-off-white-blackkklansman-cannes-film-festival-premiere/blackkklansman-red-carpet-arrivals-the-71st-annual-cannes-film-festival-43/[/img][/QUOTE]
I can definitely see it for them though I would want tchalla to be a bit taller. however look wise I think they could rock it!
she's gorgeous btw who is she?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5399598]I can definitely see it for them though I would want tchalla to be a bit taller. however look wise I think they could rock it!
she's gorgeous btw who is she?[/QUOTE]
Oh for sure. I wanted a taller actor for T'Challa as well. However, I do know they could use camera angles/shoe lifts if they wanted to go that route (think Bane in TDKR)
She's Damaris Lewis, the same girl as before, lol.
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;5399606]Oh for sure. I wanted a taller actor for T'Challa as well. However, I do know they could use camera angles/shoe lifts if they wanted to go that route (think Bane in TDKR)
She's Damaris Lewis, the same girl as before, lol.[/QUOTE]
lmfao omg im an slow bunny lolol.
yea if they can do it for tom cruise im sure they could for this guy lol.
sidebar: I saw your post in review thread. did you actually enjoy the bp issue? what were your thoughts?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5399571]yes yes yes I would be for this explanation! i really wish we could get a story that does a deep dive into her connection osthur. I dont think I've read any books where this was explicitly stated in 616.[/QUOTE]
Is this the same Osthur that Dr Strange calls on?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5399598]I can definitely see it for them though I would want tchalla to be a bit taller. [/QUOTE]
Ororo in heels should be taller than T'Challa....
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5399688]Ororo in heels should be taller than T'Challa....[/QUOTE]
yea thats true. what is he 6'2"? her at 5'11" depending on the heel type would put her over him.
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5399664]Is this the same Osthur that Dr Strange calls on?[/QUOTE]
I dont really follow dr strange but I would assume it is the same one.
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His official height is 6' even. Storm be rocking them 3"/4" heels on the regular.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5399706]His official height is 6' even. Storm be rocking them 3"/4" heels on the regular.[/QUOTE]
oh well there you have it lolol. I'm ready to see who they cast for ororo. the actress for Monica gives me hope will get the storm we finally deserve.
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[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5399664]Is this the same Osthur that Dr Strange calls on?[/QUOTE]
Yes, also a trivia Oshtur's son which is Agamotto is the first sorcerer supreme then the title went to Ayesha of Balobedu the first ever mortal sorcerer supreme. Ayesha is also an ancestor of Storm
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[QUOTE=marvinstorm;5400672]Yes, also a trivia Oshtur's son which is Agamotto is the first sorcerer supreme then the title went to Ayesha of Balobedu the first ever mortal sorcerer supreme. Ayesha is also an ancestor of Storm[/QUOTE]
Thank you marvinstorm.
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Storm and Monica are easily my two favorite comic book characters, but I have to say, I've never been a fan of the blue eyes. I was annoyed seeing them on Monica for the same reasons I didn't like them on Storm, it felt like another example of black women distinguished or venerated for a typically white feature. I get the context is different between the two characters and they're exhibited differently, but it still feels like an incredibly loaded color choice.
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I will let YogaFlame address this one...as he's astutely done in the past.
I will say though...giving Storm white hair and blue eyes was not about venerating or distinguishing Black Women for having "white features" regardless of how such a visual might be interpreted by a reader.
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[QUOTE=marvinstorm;5400672]Yes, also a trivia Oshtur's son which is Agamotto is the first sorcerer supreme then the title went to Ayesha of Balobedu the first ever mortal sorcerer supreme. Ayesha is also an ancestor of Storm[/QUOTE]
Storm's bloodline is nothing to play with.
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[QUOTE=Baby_Hater666;5400764]Storm and Monica are easily my two favorite comic book characters, but I have to say, I've never been a fan of the blue eyes. I was annoyed seeing them on Monica for the same reasons I didn't like them on Storm, it felt like another example of black women distinguished or venerated for a typically white feature. I get the context is different between the two characters and they're exhibited differently, but it still feels like an incredibly loaded color choice.[/QUOTE]
Do you mean Monica Rambeau? I didn't know she had blue eyes? Did they change them? :confused:
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I accept that this wasn't necessarily the intent in giving her those features, but given how virulent colorism is even in the black community, I think it would be hard for younger fans not to internalize it that way especially given how some artists have rendered her and her appearance in previous films. I don't take issue with the platinum hair so much, she's a comicbook mutant after all, but I feel absolutely zero attachment to the blue eyes and would love to know why other fans Im mostly on the same page with feel differently. Don't get me wrong though, this relatively minor gripe.
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[QUOTE=From The Shadows;5401038]Do you mean Monica Rambeau? I didn't know she had blue eyes? Did they change them? :confused:[/QUOTE]
yes Monica on wandavision eyes turn blue when she uses her powers.
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Ta-Nehisi Coates writing everything but a Storm solo... Marvel get your ish together:
[url]https://heroichollywood.com/superman-jj-abrams-ta-nehisi-coates-reboot/amp/?__twitter_impression=true[/url]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5401045]yes Monica on wandavision eyes turn blue when she uses her powers.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Hmmm... I don't remember that in the comics.
Rather nice art of Storm in her iconic 90's costume to keep this on topic too.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/NlQEOjg.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5401060]Ta-Nehisi Coates writing everything but a Storm solo... Marvel get your ish together:
[url]https://heroichollywood.com/superman-jj-abrams-ta-nehisi-coates-reboot/amp/?__twitter_impression=true[/url][/QUOTE]
I would suspect that might be the reason.
If WB has it in the contract that he can't do Marvel stuff.
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[QUOTE=From The Shadows;5401073]Thanks. Hmmm... I don't remember that in the comics.
Rather nice art of Storm in her iconic 90's costume to keep this on topic too.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/NlQEOjg.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
yes this is why some fans were complaining about that as the black woman blue eyes thing was a storm trait.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;5401102]I would suspect that might be the reason.
If WB has it in the contract that he can't do Marvel stuff.[/QUOTE]
yes true. but that book was rumored to have came out back in 2017 so it not happening I think truly lies with the xoffices.
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[QUOTE=Baby_Hater666;5401043]I accept that this wasn't necessarily the intent in giving her those features, but given how virulent colorism is even in the black community, I think it would be hard for younger fans not to internalize it that way especially given how some artists have rendered her and her appearance in previous films. I don't take issue with the platinum hair so much, she's a comicbook mutant after all, but I feel absolutely zero attachment to the blue eyes and would love to know why other fans Im mostly on the same page with feel differently. Don't get me wrong though, this relatively minor gripe.[/QUOTE]
Yes, colourism is virulent in the Black community. But as individuals we have to arm ourselves and the younger fans with the right information so as to counter our/their impulse thinking/reaction/perceptions based on ignorance, mis-information and out right lies.
If it was never the intent of Lee and Cockrum to venerate Storm to a "White" aesthetic by giving her blue eyes and white hair when they created her decades ago, and subsequent writers do not push that erroneous 'ideology" (I cannot think of any writer who has written the character as such in all my 40 -plus years of reading X-Men) then anyone looking at her now, cannot in all fairness and understanding and common sense suddenly decide that Storm was/is an example of White veneration. To do so would be disingenuous at the least and grossly stupid at the most. And such a person needs to either re-educate themselves or stfu so people won't know that they're that idiotic.
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Hmm.. this topic is interesting to me. Storm is the most important black female superhero, and in much of the art marvel has put out of her, she could pass for a white woman with a tan . The straight hair and blue eyes help a lot to create that perception imo . So yes, while her hair and eyes are too iconic now to change them, and I have no idea of knowing what exactly the intention was when she was created, I sometimes wish artists gave her some different hairstyles. She could absolutely rock some braids . Give her some african-inspired touches to her outfits, these sorts of things. Representation is important and I think a lot of the times Marvel could do a better job with Storm's imagery to achieve that.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5401302]Yes, colourism is virulent in the Black community. But as individuals we have to arm ourselves and the younger fans with the right information so as to counter our/their impulse thinking/reaction/perceptions based on ignorance, mis-information and out right lies.
If it was never the intent of Lee and Cockrum to venerate Storm to a "White" aesthetic by giving her blue eyes and white hair when they created her decades ago, and subsequent writers do not push that erroneous 'ideology" (I cannot think of any writer who has written the character as such in all my 40 -plus years of reading X-Men) then anyone looking at her now, cannot in all fairness and understanding and common sense suddenly decide that Storm was/is an example of White veneration. To do so would be disingenuous at the least and grossly stupid at the most. And such a person needs to either re-educate themselves or stfu so people won't know that they're that idiotic.[/QUOTE]
Please don't be insulting, I'm not accusing the character or writers I've seen pen her of white veneration, at least not intentionally, but I also know it took years to see Storm drawn in a way that was more reflective of her heritage and black X characters are so scarce her visual presentation holds that much more weight. Moreover, black women had zero say in her initial character design so forgive me for not embracing every single detail. I would never suggest changing them in comics, but I wouldn't be mad if they didn't show up in the MCU.
I'm a black woman who respectfully asked a question so you can miss me with that entire second paragraph. rude
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[QUOTE=Fall-From-Grace;5401363]Hmm.. this topic is interesting to me. Storm is the most important black female superhero, and in much of the art marvel has put out of her, she could pass for a white woman with a tan . The straight hair and blue eyes help a lot to create that perception imo . So yes, while her hair and eyes are too iconic now to change them, and I have no idea of knowing what exactly the intention was when she was created, I sometimes wish artists gave her some different hairstyles. She could absolutely rock some braids . Give her some african-inspired touches to her outfits, these sorts of things. Representation is important and I think a lot of the times Marvel could do a better job with Storm's imagery to achieve that.[/QUOTE]
This point is spot on! I think even though Storm is a black character her depiction at times from a canonical perspective was conveyed to indicate otherwise. Anyone who would suggest that people are idiotic for being aware of the instances in canon that actually support such claims are the ones who appear as such.
This following scan caused many within the fandom to make the argument she was not black:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/107222/4693702-storm-uxm253_zps0c0128ce.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=Baby_Hater666;5401582]Please don't be insulting, I'm not accusing the character or writers I've seen pen her of white veneration, at least not intentionally, but I also know it took years to see Storm drawn in a way that was more reflective of her heritage and black X characters are so scarce her visual presentation holds that much more weight. Moreover, black women had zero say in her initial character design so forgive me for not embracing every single detail. I would never suggest changing them in comics, but I wouldn't be mad if they didn't show up in the MCU.
I'm a black woman who respectfully asked a question so you can miss me with that entire second paragraph. rude[/QUOTE]
your point is absolutely valid and that user had no reason to be as condescending as they were in that post. people can be disagreeable without belittling or insulting someone.
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[QUOTE=Baby_Hater666;5401582]Please don't be insulting, I'm not accusing the character or writers I've seen pen her of white veneration, at least not intentionally, but I also know it took years to see Storm drawn in a way that was more reflective of her heritage and black X characters are so scarce her visual presentation holds that much more weight. Moreover, black women had zero say in her initial character design so forgive me for not embracing every single detail. I would never suggest changing them in comics, but I wouldn't be mad if they didn't show up in the MCU.
I'm a black woman who respectfully asked a question so you can miss me with that entire second paragraph. rude[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Let the choir say amen.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5401676]This point is spot on! I think even though Storm is a black character her depiction at times from a canonical perspective was conveyed to indicate otherwise. Anyone who would suggest that people are idiotic for being aware of the instances in canon that actually support such claims are the ones who appear as such.
This following scan caused many within the fandom to make the argument she was not black:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/107222/4693702-storm-uxm253_zps0c0128ce.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]We had a long discussion about this in the previous Storm thread. The more Black people, particularly Black women get interested in Storm, they want to see her reflect the culture, especially when it comes to hairstyles.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5401694][COLOR="#000080"]We had a long discussion about this in the previous Storm thread. The more Black people, particularly Black women get interested in Storm, they want to see her reflect the culture, especially when it comes to hairstyles.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
yea I recalled that exchange and I dont really see any issue with it honestly.
