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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5587044]ok now that many have read it i have a question.
wasn't Duggan description here of ororos powers kinda backwards:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/O1Pc3GJ.jpg[/img]
she manipulates or molds the weather on earth whereas on Mars she actually created the climate?
[img]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5261fbde570321c023eaa4ec01443250[/img][/QUOTE]
I get where he is coming from on earth she is limited in what she can do as there is a balance to be upheld, hence why she only limits herself to weather but on Mars there was no climate no weather she creating and molding one from scratch allowed her to do things that on earth she couldn't, such as manipulate season, set up the global ecosystem, marry the heart of the planet along with the earth and sea to form a habitable planet. It is honestly very beautiful. And you notice that her power wasn't just the sky because the description speaks of the planets heart also being part of the process which leads to the ionosphere and the magnetosohere. Also she is setting up what weather is as in its properties and such, this denotes her true power being over the forces and energies that determine weather because your run of the mill weather manipulator can't set up a climate let alone a whole planets climate. Storm was doing sooo much in just that one pannel.
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I don’t know what you all were reading but y’all must be starved for crumbs.
To me, Storm had again been relegated to a minor plot device. What active/visionary/leadership role did she have besides call down the lightning and swirl the nascent energies about? And stand about in the background? She’s essentially the token black mutant with lightning and some weather manipulation fireworks show.
As with her roles in X-men since X-Men Red, she is nothing but a plot device when needed.
How disappointing.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5587059]I get where he is coming from on earth she is limited in what she can do as there is a balance to be upheld, hence why she only limits herself to weather but on Mars there was no climate no weather she creating and molding one from scratch allowed her to do things that on earth she couldn't, such as manipulate season, set up the global ecosystem, marry the heart of the planet along with the earth and sea to form a habitable planet. It is honestly very beautiful. And you notice that her power wasn't just the sky because the description speaks of the planets heart also being part of the process.[/QUOTE]
oohhhhhhh i gotcha ok.. someone else explained it and it just clicked when you saif it. weather versus the entire climate. that is impressive and I think a lot would be involved to create the entire climate of a planet.
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[QUOTE=orionblue;5587061]I don’t know what you all were reading but y’all must be starved for crumbs.
To me, Storm had again been relegated to a minor plot device. What active/visionary/leadership role did she have besides call down the lightning and swirl the nascent energies about? And stand about in the background? She’s essentially the token black mutant with lightning and some weather manipulation fireworks show.
As with her roles in X-men since X-Men Red, she is nothing but a plot device when needed.
How disappointing.[/QUOTE]
I cannot disagree here which i why I said next week would be crucial in knowing exactly what the big plans are for her. if she turns out to be the regent of sol then that potentially could be huge for character development and hsve a real influenced on a galatic level in the mu.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5587078]I cannot disagree here which i why I said next week would be crucial in knowing exactly what the big plans are for her. if she turns out to be the regent of sol then that potentially could be huge for character development and hsve a real influenced on a galatic level in the mu.[/QUOTE]
If this is the case, I highly doubt there will be character development beyond what the X-offices have done with Ororo: give her a ceremonial title and position and trot her out when they need a token black lightning lass making prognostications while flashing lightning from her eyes and fingers.
Sorry not sorry but the track record of being strung along these past years does not bode well for any pivotal leadership role for Ororo.
The X-Men will continue to be: Xavier, the Summers gang (including Jean in this), and Logan. This trope of the Summers being the only dominant family is actually getting quite dull, imho.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5587071]oohhhhhhh i gotcha ok.. someone else explained it and it just clicked when you saif it. weather versus the entire climate. that is impressive and I think a lot would be involved to create the entire climate of a planet.[/QUOTE]
Just reread the issue again and I noticed that Vulcan healed and compressed the core heating the planetary terrain, iceman cooled the surface and it was storm that basically started the engine. Hence why the the heart was thrumming when she did her thing, thrumming is rythmatic movement storm knows the movement needed in which order to sustain life. All they did would have been for naught if it hadn't been for what she did. It's like setting up permanence.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5587059]I get where he is coming from on earth she is limited in what she can do as there is a balance to be upheld, hence why she only limits herself to weather but on Mars there was no climate no weather she creating and molding one from scratch allowed her to do things that on earth she couldn't, such as manipulate season, set up the global ecosystem, marry the heart of the planet along with the earth and sea to form a habitable planet. It is honestly very beautiful. And you notice that her power wasn't just the sky because the description speaks of the planets heart also being part of the process which leads to the ionosphere and the magnetosohere. Also she is setting up what weather is as in its properties and such, this denotes her true power being over the forces and energies that determine weather because your run of the mill weather manipulator can't set up a climate let alone a whole planets climate. Storm was doing sooo much in just that one pannel.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, what she did was extremely impressive. Mars is a big freaking planet, so that took a significant amount of power and skill to build up the atmosphere and add nourishment to Mars. I don't understand how that is not impressive .
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[QUOTE=orionblue;5587104]If this is the case, I highly doubt there will be character development beyond what the X-offices have done with Ororo: give her a ceremonial title and position and trot her out when they need a token black lightning lass making prognostications while flashing lightning from her eyes and fingers.
Sorry not sorry but the track record of being strung along these past years does not bode well for any pivotal leadership role for Ororo.
The X-Men will continue to be: Xavier, the Summers gang (including Jean in this), and Logan. This trope of the Summers being the only dominant family is actually getting quite dull, imho.[/QUOTE]
I do not see any holes on your argument. ororo has sadly been misused for years and hasn't really had any meaningful stories since Claremont. I mentioned this yesterday but a lot why we see these white characters driving the x-stories is due to the makeup of the creative team. until that changes we will continue to see what we have relating to storm.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5587113]Just reread the issue again and I noticed that Vulcan healed and compressed the core heating the planetary terrain, iceman cooled the surface and it was storm that basically started the engine. Hence why the the heart was thrumming when she did her thing, thrumming is rythmatic movement storm knows the movement needed in which order to sustain life. All they did would have been for naught if it hadn't been for what she did. It's like setting up permanence.[/QUOTE]
thank you for explanation. it definitely does put into perspective her involvement in the overall feat.
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[QUOTE=Jalysia;5587114]Yeah, what she did was extremely impressive. Mars is a big freaking planet, so that took a significant amount of power and skill to build up the atmosphere and add nourishment to Mars. I don't understand how that is not impressive .[/QUOTE]
And she did it like it was casual Tuesday. Thor fans ain't gonna be happy about this.
A few days ago I was telling kyss that the mechanism of the inside the planet are the same as those above it. Storm literally just did what I was hoping she would days ago.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5587136]And she did it like it was casual Tuesday. Thor fans ain't gonna be happy about this.[/QUOTE]
why would thor fans have issue with what happened in planet size?
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The fact that my husband couldn't create a global storm in curse of the man thing but storm is out here creating whole climate and weather systems for an entire planet casually too, it's not gonna go down well. I mean some avenger cans are already trying to minimalist what the omega mutants did. But I just know that they are jealous.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5587154]The fact that my husband couldn't create a global storm in curse of the man thing but storm is out here creating whole climate and weather systems for entire planets, it's not gonna go well. I mean some avenger cans are already trying to minimalist what the omega mutants did. But I just know that they are jealous.[/QUOTE]
oh I gotcha you. Thor has some really impressive feats on a universal/multuversal level so I would hope they wouldn't be pressed about this.
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guys check this out. storm did a lot more than I think we realize;
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/XvE56PGwE_lYcdSmT5R1d64_YxWCYxq0oy4HYgjmXf8dODh4JyPiLmOPZ-4OHxqgVUq_HAmUEgbsC1e6YaytqJCCUx_Srw3L1fKjR_N_RH0qS2JsaANLRZa2Sxx03zyRr1W2aVZuyQ=s1600[/img]
she would have had to establish the magneticsphere to hold the atmosphere, as well as clear out the radiation, outside of making breathable air.
she didn't tire or break a sweat. she truly is the omegas omega!
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[QUOTE=Jalysia;5587114]Yeah, what she did was extremely impressive. Mars is a big freaking planet, so that took a significant amount of power and skill to build up the atmosphere and add nourishment to Mars. I don't understand how that is not impressive .[/QUOTE]
Of course it was impressive. It was a whole freakin' planet. Some have been saying that she is fully capable of doing exactly this...and now that she's done it...it's boring, and unimpressive because she's not taking charge managing and directing Erik, Jean and Iceman and everybody else on what to do with their powers and how to do it.
If that was the expectation...clearly the point of this particular issue and its participants was lost on some.
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I think when we dig into exactly what occurred all that would be required to make and sustain an atmosphere of a planet that is impressive.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5587163]guys check this out. storm did a lot more than I think we realize;
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/XvE56PGwE_lYcdSmT5R1d64_YxWCYxq0oy4HYgjmXf8dODh4JyPiLmOPZ-4OHxqgVUq_HAmUEgbsC1e6YaytqJCCUx_Srw3L1fKjR_N_RH0qS2JsaANLRZa2Sxx03zyRr1W2aVZuyQ=s1600[/img]
she would have had to establish the magneticsphere to hold the atmosphere, as well as clear out the radiation, outside of making breathable air.
she didn't tire or break a sweat. she truly is the omegas omega![/QUOTE]
Like I said she wasn't only moving the sky but the deep earth below. Planetary magnetic fields are formed from movement of the core doing fast enough to create electricity which in turn creates magnetic fields. The description stated that the planets heart thrums below her as her lightning reings on high. Basically creating global magnetic fields to shield the entire planet. Then she would have to move the molecules of the elements bonding them measuring the amount of gas ratios in the atmosphere, setting up the carbon, nitrogen and water cycle among others... She would also need to regulate the global temperature and the convection systems of the mantle to control the varying thermal gradients and the natural disasters, she would also not only set up the heat stream but also the ocean currents among many many many other things, if you read the begining you see that storm was already at work and that by the time elixr was going to heal the planet with xilo she was done hence they could breathe.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5587163]guys check this out. storm did a lot more than I think we realize;
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/XvE56PGwE_lYcdSmT5R1d64_YxWCYxq0oy4HYgjmXf8dODh4JyPiLmOPZ-4OHxqgVUq_HAmUEgbsC1e6YaytqJCCUx_Srw3L1fKjR_N_RH0qS2JsaANLRZa2Sxx03zyRr1W2aVZuyQ=s1600[/img]
she would have had to establish the magneticsphere to hold the atmosphere, as well as clear out the radiation, outside of making breathable air.
she didn't tire or break a sweat. she truly is the omegas omega![/QUOTE]
Unfortunately she did not establish/create the magnetosphere - that was Magneto who added more iron and nickel to the depleted core, and Proteus and Hope (?) jump started melting the additional iron ore so that it would spin and create the magnetosphere and gravity. By creating the molten core and possibility of magma and active volcanism, this paved the way for Ororo to use the gasses derived from the active volcanism to recreate atmosphere in a quicker time span than hundreds of thousands of years. Still an impressive feat, but again: she is being trotted out as a special mare to wow the audience at a horse show.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5587203]Of course it was impressive. It was a whole freakin' planet. Some have been saying that she is fully capable of doing exactly this...and now that she's done it...it's boring, and unimpressive because she's not taking charge managing and directing Erik, Jean and Iceman and everybody else on what to do with their powers and how to do it.
If that was the expectation...clearly the point of this particular issue and its participants was lost on some.[/QUOTE]
I actually dig that it happened like this it showed how hard they as a species were working towards their future and it gave the omegas a chance to inspire hope into their fellow mutants. It was beautiful and what storm did though immensely important was part of a very fitting ensemble.... I hate to say it but Duggan has me being a little optimistic with what's to come.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5587219]Like I said she wasn't only moving the sky but the deep earth below. Planetary magnetic fields are formed from movement of the core doing fast enough to create electricity which in turn creates magnetic fields. The description stated that the planets heart thrums below her as her lightning reings on high. Basically creating global magnetic fields to shield the entire planet. Then she would have to move the molecules of the elements bonding them measuring the amount of gas ratios in the atmosphere, setting up the carbon, nitrogen and water cycle among others... She would also need to regulate the global temperature and the convection systems of the mantle to control the varying thermal gradients and the natural disasters, she would also not only set up the heat stream but also the ocean currents among many many many other things, if you read the begining you see that storm was already at work and that by the time elixr was going to heal the planet with xilo she was done hence they could breathe.[/QUOTE]
yes agreed. there was a whole more here than just lightning being struck and this data page does give insight to all of what she would have had to do the create a sustainable atmosphere.
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[QUOTE=orionblue;5587227]Unfortunately she did not establish/create the magnetosphere - that was Magneto who added more iron and nickel to the depleted core, and Proteus and Hope (?) jump started melting the additional iron ore so that it would spin and create the magnetosphere and gravity. By creating the molten core and possibility it magma and active volcanism, this paved the way for Ororo to use the gasses derived from the active volcanism to recreate atmosphere in a quicker time span than hundreds of thousands of years. Still an impressive feat, but again: she is being trotted out as a special mare to wow the audience at a horse show.[/QUOTE]
Not really I have read the whole thing like five times now and magneto simply hit the planet with the asteroid and told hope and vulcan to do open heart surgery then went off to go micro manage all the other omegas. What is needed to create a magnetosohere requires time, time he didn't have because he needs to ensure everyone is playing their part. Hence why when it got to storms pannel it stated that the planet's heart was thrumming beneath her as her thunder reings on high the English gives what she is doing away....the iron won't move on its own it needs to be compressed and kick-started plus if the planet was incharge of moving the ore it would take eons for a sustainable magnetosohere to be set up.
I am sorry for nerding out but planetary science is literally my bread and butter lol.
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I could also be wrong but the Arrako building that peace area reminded me of Polaris when she had the connection to Krakoa and it built x-factor building according to her specifications or rather desires. Also there was a throw a way mention of storm in X-corp which was a harsh read, i think i accidentally said Way of X in the main thread. Just humans were more interested in shaking her hand than dealing with monet and them.
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But didn't Mags continue to "stir the sauce" as Forge put it? I've only read the issue once so maybe I'm misunderstanding things.
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[QUOTE=orionblue;5587227]Unfortunately she did not establish/create the magnetosphere - that was Magneto who added more iron and nickel to the depleted core, and Proteus and Hope (?) jump started melting the additional iron ore so that it would spin and create the magnetosphere and gravity. By creating the molten core and possibility of magma and active volcanism, this paved the way for Ororo to use the gasses derived from the active volcanism to recreate atmosphere in a quicker time span than hundreds of thousands of years. Still an impressive feat, but again: she is being trotted out as a special mare to wow the audience at a horse show.[/QUOTE]
At least someone I can agree with, I was starting to think Marvel published two versions of the same issue
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5587240]Not really I have read the whole thing like five times now and magneto simply hit the planet with the asteroid and told hope and vulcan to do open heart surgery then went off to go micro manage all the other omegas. What is needed to create a magnetosohere requires time, time he didn't have because he needs to ensure everyone is playing their part. Hence why when it got to storms pannel it stated that the planet's heart was thrumming beneath her as her thunder reings on high the English gives what she is doing away....the iron won't move on its own it needs to be compressed and kick-started plus if the planet was incharge of moving the ore it would take eons for a sustainable magnetosohere to be set up.
I am sorry for nerding out but planetary science is literally my bread and butter lol.[/QUOTE]
Naw I'm pretty sure that bit about the MAGNETOsphere refers to Magneto. He casually manipulated the SWORD station back in #1 while performing inspections and chatting it up with several members without even breaking a sweat. So manipulating a planet's magnetosphere while directing his team is definitely within his power.
As far as OL mutants with a good grasp on their powers he's pretty much up there with Storm.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5587254]But didn't Mags continue to "stir the sauce" as Forge put it? I've only read the issue once so maybe I'm misunderstanding things.[/QUOTE]
I just saw that thanks for allerting me on that panel. Makes sense as he was able to move the sword station whilst chewing gum and inspecting it lol.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5587240]Not really I have read the whole thing like five times now and magneto simply hit the planet with the asteroid and told hope and vulcan to do open heart surgery then went off to go micro manage all the other omegas. What is needed to create a magnetosohere requires time, time he didn't have because he needs to ensure everyone is playing their part. Hence why when it got to storms pannel it stated that the planet's heart was thrumming beneath her as her thunder reings on high the English gives what she is doing away....the iron won't move on its own it needs to be compressed and kick-started plus if the planet was incharge of moving the ore it would take eons for a sustainable magnetosohere to be set up.
I am sorry for nerding out but planetary science is literally my bread and butter lol.[/QUOTE]
agreed. storm has manipulated the em field of the earth before and since it was tied to the atmosphere I would think she would hsve had to do so here as well:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/tRo9a5pKMSDiH88RDArrMuhD23GAUEi9OaV8jvd4HFCz009S4R226hAmYzDuMMxEWGPThYleS11G=s1600[/img]
magneto wasn't doing anything as it pertained to creating the climate or atmosphere that was all storm.
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[QUOTE=orionblue;5587061]I don’t know what you all were reading but y’all must be starved for crumbs.
To me, Storm had again been relegated to a minor plot device. What active/visionary/leadership role did she have besides call down the lightning and swirl the nascent energies about? And stand about in the background? She’s essentially the token black mutant with lightning and some weather manipulation fireworks show.
As with her roles in X-men since X-Men Red, she is nothing but a plot device when needed.
How disappointing.[/QUOTE]
My sentiments exactly. Of course I don’t want to rain on others happiness, but I wasn’t impressed. Storm is more than a one panel star her voice should be heard/felt throughout all the books.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5587285]agreed. storm has manipulated the em field of the earth before and since it was tied to the atmosphere I would think she would hsve had to do so here as well:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/tRo9a5pKMSDiH88RDArrMuhD23GAUEi9OaV8jvd4HFCz009S4R226hAmYzDuMMxEWGPThYleS11G=s1600[/img]
magneto wasn't doing anything as it pertained to creating the climate or atmosphere that was all storm.[/QUOTE]
Apparently he was stiring the source with great and tremendous force I was thinking the force came from Vulcan and hope but magneto being active in the magnetosohere creation is pretty neat.... Still can't get over this storm feat hopefully we get more creative feats in the future everyday life kind of feats. Eventhough she does have power over the magnetosohere magneto was the one creating this one.
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[QUOTE=StormDisciple;5587290]My sentiments exactly. Of course I don’t want to rain on others happiness, but I wasn’t impressed. Storm is more than a one panel star her voice should be heard/felt throughout all the books.[/QUOTE]
This was basically a magneto book with omega cameos, I did enjoy the storm panel and what the data page implied her role though not confirmed to be.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5587240]Not really I have read the whole thing like five times now and magneto simply hit the planet with the asteroid and told hope and vulcan to do open heart surgery then went off to go micro manage all the other omegas. What is needed to create a magnetosohere requires time, time he didn't have because he needs to ensure everyone is playing their part. Hence why when it got to storms pannel it stated that the planet's heart was thrumming beneath her as her thunder reings on high the English gives what she is doing away....the iron won't move on its own it needs to be compressed and kick-started plus if the planet was incharge of moving the ore it would take eons for a sustainable magnetosohere to be set up.
I am sorry for nerding out but planetary science is literally my bread and butter lol.[/QUOTE]
I am all for nerding out as well! But I think that if you re-read the beginning, the creation of the magnetosphere is indeed created by Magneto with Vulcan and Hope’s assist. Magneto’s power is what is ‘stirring the sauce’ to compress and create the molten core which in turn creates the magnetosphere and gravity. It’s all stated there and showcasing Magneto on the top half of page 4.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5587292]Apparently he was stiring the source with great and tremendous force I was thinking the force came from Vulcan and hope but magneto being active in the magnetosohere creation is pretty neat.... Still can't get over this storm feat hopefully we get more creative feats in the future everyday life kind of feats. Eventhough she does have power over the magnetosohere magneto was the one creating this one.[/QUOTE]
all he did was put ore in the ground. which established the gravity. that wasn't associated with the creation of the magneticsphere. that was specifically associated with the atmosphere which we know she had to maintain.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5587301]all he did was put ore in the ground. which established the gravity. that wasn't associated with the creation of the magneticsphere. that was specifically associated with the atmosphere which we know she had to maintain.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately have to strongly disagree with you here. The magnetosphere is all Erik’s (with Vulcan and Hope’s assist). As much as I want Ororo to have been the one to re-create the magnetosphere, if you re-read pages 1 to the top half of page 4, it’s all Magneto.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5587301]all he did was put ore in the ground. which established the gravity. that wasn't associated with the creation of the magneticsphere. that was specifically associated with the atmosphere which we know she had to maintain.[/QUOTE]
The one omega mutant capable of of manipulating magnetism had nothing to do with restarting the magnetosphere generated by the molten core?……suuure
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[QUOTE=orionblue;5587296]I am all for nerding out as well! But I think that if you re-read the beginning, the creation of the magnetosphere is indeed created by Magneto with Vulcan and Hope’s assist. Magneto’s power is what is ‘stirring the sauce’ to compress and create the molten core which in turn creates the magnetosphere and gravity. It’s all stated there and showcasing Magneto on the top half of page 4.[/QUOTE]
I thought that was specific to the creating the molten core necessary for gravity but I see your point. even if one were to attribute the magnetic portion to him, which I don't necessarily agree with, storm still would have had to rid the surface of radiation allowing for breathable air which is impressive when you consider its on a planetary level.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5587310]The one omega mutant capable of of manipulating magnetism had nothing to do with restarting the magnetosphere generated by the molten core?……suuure[/QUOTE]
glad you agree.
[img]https://media1.tenor.com/images/c0e4f4858e44a54cf0a2aca599fe840d/tenor.gif[/img]
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[QUOTE=Havok83;5586716]This panel was everything
[img]https://i.imgur.com/O1Pc3GJ.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I love it! And for those who don't know, Lightning in space is much more powerful than lightning on Earth
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5587316]I thought that was specific to the creating the molten core necessary for gravity but I see your point. even if one were to attribute the magnetic portion to him, which I don't necessarily agree with, storm still would have had to rid the surface of radiation allowing fir breathable air which is impressive when you consider its on a planetary level.[/QUOTE]
Yes exactly I mean they all have to do something and him just bring a plan and throwing iron into the ground was not going to cut it! He also had to stir the sauce ...lol
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While they each have their specific part to play...there would have to "overlap" to ensure balance...until the planetary system can set and continue on its own.
Magneto started the process and keeps it going while Storm is doing her energy manipulation to combine and work with his so that both are thoroughly interconnected (as the panel suggests) so that the end result is 100% self sustainable.
Thus...naturally occurring rain.
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5587331]I love it! And for those who don't know, Lightning in space is much more powerful than lightning on Earth[/QUOTE]
The way I am out of by lightning now.... I mean it looks good and all but it feels like lightning lass is waiting for her moment to strike again.