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[QUOTE=Idiopop;5468130]Thinking about how Storm doesn’t even need to manipulate Solids because she can transform it into a liquid or a gas. We’ve seen storm vaporize water and convert it to steam
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So what’s to stop her from using sublimation [B]to turn Iceman directly into steam[/B] for example. Temperature and Pressure are what controls changes in states of matter. Under the right weather conditions sublimation occurs naturally (dry ice turning into vapor in room temperature for example) So all she would have to to create the perfect weather conditions, increase the intensity, and direct it at Iceman and his ice and she can win.[/QUOTE]
You have no idea how many time I used that in Iceman Vs Storm debates. LOL
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5467133]To be fair people tend to forget mastermind and the white queen worked in tandem to undermine Jean's stability over a fairly wide time period, having said that Ororo’s will is still canonically established as extraordinary[/QUOTE]
Daedra speaks Very True. The White Queen developed "the Mindtap Mechanism" used by both her and Mastermind, while they subvertly and subconsciously preyed on the Jean/Phoenix entity, whose mind was not as strong against telepathic intrusion as Jean's own mind would be. This is why Xavier was able to TP blast his way in, but he needed Jean's help to win.
"[I]The power of her (Jean's) mind is truly amazing![/I]"
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5467133]To be fair people tend to forget mastermind and the white queen worked in tandem to undermine Jean's stability over a fairly wide time period, having said that Ororo’s will is still canonically established as extraordinary[/QUOTE]
having players making it difficult to discern reality from fiction was a factor. even in the case of ororo during roguestorm her sense of self was destroyed due to her severe claustrophobia. both ladies were pushed to an unyielding need for power just by different means.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5467821]Yes, let it be! I am looking forward to Krakoa animated series! If it is indeed in production.[/QUOTE]
uts just fan art beloved. hopefully since he works for marvel he can plant some seeds though.
[QUOTE=Idiopop;5468130]Thinking about how Storm doesn’t even need to manipulate Solids because she can transform it into a liquid or a gas. We’ve seen storm vaporize water and convert it to steam
[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/XJwwLvM2/9-C945748-B6-B3-4040-A6-F6-82-E1-B4-D073-DD.jpg[/IMG]
So what’s to stop her from using sublimation to turn Iceman directly into steam for example. Temperature and Pressure are what controls changes in states of matter. Under the right weather conditions sublimation occurs naturally (dry ice turning into vapor in room temperature for example) So all she would have to to create the perfect weather conditions, increase the intensity, and direct it at Iceman and his ice and she can win.[/QUOTE]
she doesn't need to BUT we've already proven that she can as she did on the hill. I love to see it. oh iceman would lose she has dropped him twice with her lightning alone not even considering the other things you mentioned lol
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[QUOTE=Cane_danko;5467837]We need to get the #restorethesnyderverse type of hype around this and disney will hook it up[/QUOTE]
That would require the whole thing to be allready over. Since it's not clear yet how well the whole thing will be recieved in the end or if it messes up the landing.
That is, if the people in charge would even consider it a worthwhile basis for an entire series or mini-series, rather than dismissing it right way as too continuity dependant or "alien" for such an adaption to a casual audience who's picture of the X-men is far removed from that of the current comics. Leaving it as only a choice for a multi-parter in a regular X-men cartoon, likely with extremely cut down elements.
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I just imagined Jean and Storm like "we do this for fun." [ATTACH=CONFIG]108144[/ATTACH]
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So my theory for why Storm can’t manipulate solids after doing some research is that simply, solids don’t contain much energy to begin with. Her mutation allows her to manipulate natural energy patters in the environment. She does better with manipulating energy contained in lesser dense states of matter such as gas, plasma, and to a lesser extent (liquid) where the molecules aren’t very tightly bound together and have freedom to move. This also relates to her claustrophobia as well and her fear of being constricted. Solid is a very constricting state of matter so it makes sense that she wouldn’t connect with it. She works best in a light atmosphere such as space (which is made mostly of plasma and contains the most energy) and then gas.
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[B]Fun fact[/B]: the visible universe is 99.9% Plasma! so at the full extent of her powers she can mess the whole universe up.
(Also sorry if my theories and talk about her power-set has been annoying, I’ve always been a Storm fan but I have never really looked into just how powerful her ability is. I’m doing all this research and discovering all these cool aspects of her power and potential applications. These writers need to take note! Give our girl FULL control of the EM Spectrum. There’s light energy from the sun (visible & invisible ) surrounding us and permeating the atmosphere at all times, she should be able to manipulate that energy and channel it just as well as she channels lightning. J
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5469248]I just imagined Jean and Storm like "we do this for fun." [ATTACH=CONFIG]108144[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
lovely concept, can't wait to see a colored version :)
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[QUOTE=Idiopop;5469836]So my theory for why Storm can’t manipulate solids after doing some research is that simply, solids don’t contain much energy to begin with. Her mutation allows her to manipulate natural energy patters in the environment. She does better with manipulating energy contained in lesser dense states of matter such as gas, plasma, and to a lesser extent (liquid) where the molecules aren’t very tightly bound together and have freedom to move. This also relates to her claustrophobia as well and her fear of being constricted. Solid is a very constricting state of matter so it makes sense that she wouldn’t connect with it. She works best in a light atmosphere such as space (which is made mostly of plasma and contains the most energy) and then gas.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]108151[/ATTACH]
[B]Fun fact[/B]: the visible universe is 99.9% Plasma! so at the full extent of her powers she can mess the whole universe up.
(Also sorry if my theories and talk about her power-set has been annoying, I’ve always been a Storm fan but I have never really looked into just how powerful her ability is. I’m doing all this research and discovering all these cool aspects of her power and potential applications. These writers need to take note! Give our girl FULL control of the EM Spectrum. There’s light energy from the sun (visible & invisible ) surrounding us and permeating the atmosphere at all times, she should be able to manipulate that energy and channel it just as well as she channels lightning. J[/QUOTE]
Personally I’m not a fan of pseudo-scientific explanations slapped on top of Ororo’s powers, if her power is supposed to be divine and spiritual in nature then so be it, there is little reasons to bother proper science with concepts that tends to be incorrect or involve fantastic non scientific elements just the same, what I mean to say is that while her powers may give her insight and knowledge into a universe made of purely physical forces/particles etc. the reason she’s able to exert her will over the domain of physics is to be found in her double nature as goddess and mutant, her mutant omega power gives Storm a way interact with the tapestry of elemental forces in her surroundings but in my opinion Ororo’s connection to the sky is a matter of affinity and kindredness for the heavens and infinity, the sky is a mirror reflection of her very soul.
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[QUOTE=Idiopop;5469836]So my theory for why Storm can’t manipulate solids after doing some research is that simply, solids don’t contain much energy to begin with. Her mutation allows her to manipulate natural energy patters in the environment. She does better with manipulating energy contained in lesser dense states of matter such as gas, plasma, and to a lesser extent (liquid) where the molecules aren’t very tightly bound together and have freedom to move. This also relates to her claustrophobia as well and her fear of being constricted. Solid is a very constricting state of matter so it makes sense that she wouldn’t connect with it. She works best in a light atmosphere such as space (which is made mostly of plasma and contains the most energy) and then gas.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]108151[/ATTACH]
[B]Fun fact[/B]: the visible universe is 99.9% Plasma! so at the full extent of her powers she can mess the whole universe up.
(Also sorry if my theories and talk about her power-set has been annoying, I’ve always been a Storm fan but I have never really looked into just how powerful her ability is. I’m doing all this research and discovering all these cool aspects of her power and potential applications. These writers need to take note! Give our girl FULL control of the EM Spectrum. There’s light energy from the sun (visible & invisible ) surrounding us and permeating the atmosphere at all times, she should be able to manipulate that energy and channel it just as well as she channels lightning. J[/QUOTE]
matter or solids may have energy particles that are not as active in liquids or gases but those particles are still there. the electrons that all or most elements possess would be able to be manipulated by her:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/7/75182/3494380-3417716-energy%2Bsight.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5469961][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyLXH_bW8AQRB7D?format=jpg&name=large[/img][/QUOTE]
Omg , this is awesome. Wall art!!
Thanks for share butterflykyss
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5470093]matter or solids may have energy particles that are not as active in liquids or gases but those particles are still there. the electrons that all or most elements possess would be able to be manipulated by her:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/7/75182/3494380-3417716-energy%2Bsight.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I really would hope they develop that and they have been improving on showcasing her power but they might be afraid of straying to far away from weather related phenomena even though she’s capable or much more.
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5470110]Omg , this is awesome. Wall art!!
Thanks for share butterflykyss[/QUOTE]
you're welcome boo! I saw that and thought it was nice art as well!!
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5470066]Personally I’m not a fan of pseudo-scientific explanations slapped on top of Ororo’s powers, if her power is supposed to be divine and spiritual in nature then so be it, there is little reasons to bother proper science with concepts that tends to be incorrect or involve fantastic non scientific elements just the same, what I mean to say is that while her powers may give her insight and knowledge into a universe made of purely physical forces/particles etc. the reason she’s able to exert her will over the domain of physics is to be found in her double nature as goddess and mutant, her mutant omega power gives Storm a way interact with the tapestry of elemental forces in her surroundings but in my opinion Ororo’s connection to the sky is a matter of affinity and kindredness for the heavens and infinity, the sky is a mirror reflection of her very soul.[/QUOTE]
Her power is both divine and mutant based. Her mutation is in fact scientific as in the marvel universe the DNA mutation causes the powers.
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[QUOTE=Idiopop;5470119]I really would hope they develop that and they have been improving on showcasing her power but they might be afraid of straying to far away from weather related phenomena even though she’s capable or much more.[/QUOTE]
well sometimes I think the same thing honestly. but to be fair we've seen some things from the xoffice none weather related such as when Duggan had storm stop Callisto heart via a punch. however this is rare and her omega level power classification is weather manipulation so I agree with your point.
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[QUOTE=Idiopop;5470126]Her power is both divine and mutant based. Her mutation is in fact scientific as in the marvel universe the DNA mutation causes the powers.[/QUOTE]
Did I say anything different? You can have a X gene but the corresponding power does not have to be necessarily explainable trough contemporary science in its practical applications
[QUOTE=Daedra;5470066]Personally I’m not a fan of pseudo-scientific explanations slapped on top of Ororo’s powers, if her power is supposed to be divine and spiritual in nature then so be it, there is little reasons to bother proper science with concepts that tends to be incorrect or involve fantastic non scientific elements just the same, what I mean to say is that while her powers may give her insight and knowledge into a universe made of purely physical forces/particles etc. [U]the reason she’s able to exert her will over the domain of physics is to be found in her double nature as goddess and mutant,[/U] her mutant omega power gives Storm a way interact with the tapestry of elemental forces in her surroundings but in my opinion Ororo’s connection to the sky is a matter of affinity and kindredness for the heavens and infinity, the sky is a mirror reflection of her very soul.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5469961]*Pic*[/QUOTE]
It's somewhat amusing to see people here discussing what ever Ororo is a god, or just the most powerfull mutant ever or both, aswell as discussing just HOW super powerfull she is and then remembering that one of her grand stand out moments in the past, which is regulary brought up, has been stabbing a one-eyed woman in the chest who was the leader of a bunch of homeless people living in the tunnels under New York.
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That's the wonder and beauty of comic books.
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[QUOTE=Grunty;5470154]It's somewhat amusing to see people here discussing what ever Ororo is a god, or just the most powerfull mutant ever or both, aswell as discussing just HOW super powerfull she is and then remembering that one of her grand stand out moments in the past, which is regulary brought up, has been stabbing a one-eyed woman in the chest who was the leader of a bunch of homeless people living in the tunnels under New York.[/QUOTE]
why is it amusing considering her versatility is imho one of the greatest characteristics about Ororo. she can be nurtuter and then in the next moment a destroyer of all things. She can be an all powerful goddess and then a vulnerable human. it is what makes her own of the greatest comic characters ever to be created.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5470238]That's the wonder and beauty of comic books.[/QUOTE]
True.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5470265]why is it amusing considering her versatility is imho one of the greatest characteristics about Ororo. she can be nurtuter and then in the next moment a destroyer of all things. She can be an all powerful goddess and then a vulnerable human. it is what makes her own of the greatest comic characters ever to be created.[/QUOTE]
The retrospective on the escalation of the character. Which makes grand moments of the past seem weirdly minor and unimportant and only treated as great because they were done in a time of smaller scale.
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[QUOTE=Grunty;5470298]True.
The retrospective on the escalation of the character. Which makes grand moments of the past seem weirdly minor and unimportant and only treated as great because they were done in a time of smaller scale.[/QUOTE]
well thats an interesting perspective. remember ororo started off as an all-powerful "goddess" only to be stripped of her power where she was literally grounded in her humanity. I dont look at this period as minor or unimportant. thus period was a very tumultuous time for her. to go from a woman who vowed never to take another life to one who wouldn't hesitate to do so if it meant saving her family was a very character defining moment.
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It all comes down to the writer, really.
Coates' "ascension to Godhood" is less than nothing when compared to the duel with Callisto as written by Claremont.
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Dose anyone know if there will be storm appearances tomorrow?
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[QUOTE=Weathergodsson;5470791]Dose anyone know if there will be storm appearances tomorrow?[/QUOTE]
no I don't think she appears in anything im aware of though dont hold me to that.
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Also here a funny post I found every knows villains and kings lust after storm lol
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[QUOTE=Weathergodsson;5470802]Also here a funny post I found every knows villains and kings lust after storm lol[/QUOTE]
ha!! good find where is this from?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5470796]no I don't think she appears in anything im aware of though dont hold me to that.[/QUOTE]
Well I hope your wrong I need my fix lol
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[QUOTE=Weathergodsson;5470805]Well I hope your wrong I need my fix lol[/QUOTE]
I'm rarely wrong as it relates to the hadari yao lolol im kidding lol.
I hope so too if she is written competently. I can use more stories where she is said to be the most powerful character over ones like thor, hulk and dr strange.
[img]https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/King-in-Black-Comic.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=450&h=225&dpr=1.5[/img]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5470809]I'm rarely wrong as it relates to the hadari yao lolol im kidding lol.
I hope so too if she is written competently. I can use more stories where she is said to be the most powerful character over ones like thor, hulk and dr strange.
[img]https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/King-in-Black-Comic.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=450&h=225&dpr=1.5[/img][/QUOTE]
I would love for storm to redeem herself and hold her own against Thor no knockout kiss lol
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[QUOTE=Weathergodsson;5470849]I would love for storm to redeem herself and hold her own against Thor no knockout kiss lol[/QUOTE]
storm has some tricks up her sleeve she hadn't used in that story. the only possible way I could see her taking him out is via an internal attack such as shutting down his brain to ko him. thst could possibly even kill him but non lethal ways I cannot think of anything she could do.
I am sure the message boards would lose it if she dropped him with a bolt of lightning lol.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5470809]I'm rarely wrong as it relates to the hadari yao lolol im kidding lol.
I hope so too if she is written competently. I can use more stories where she is said to be the most powerful character over ones like thor, hulk and dr strange.
[img]https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/King-in-Black-Comic.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=450&h=225&dpr=1.5[/img][/QUOTE]
A doctor strange devoid of his own free will and full mental faculties is kinda useless or severely limited, the sorcerer supreme is the sorcerer supreme only when allowed to be himself.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5470889]A doctor strange devoid of his own free will and full mental faculties is kinda useless or severely limited, the sorcerer supreme is the sorcerer supreme only when allowed to be himself.[/QUOTE]
hmmm I dont think knull was speaking to their mental capacities when the above comment was made. he was speaking to their full power which he would be privy too considered he has possessed them all.
also let's not forget what Duggan said regarding this when he referenced her as the Omega's omega.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5470903]hmmm I dont think knull was speaking to their mental capacities when the above comment was made. he was speaking to their full power which he would be privy too considered he has possessed them all.
also let's not forget what Duggan said regarding this when he referenced her as the Omega's omega.[/QUOTE]
That’s because a possessed Doctor Strange could never be at full power, that does not take anything away from Ororo, but Stephen power comes from the self, not his possessed physical form, a mutant power is more readily available than mystic knowledge accumulated trough years of spiritual studies
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5470860]storm has some tricks up her sleeve she hadn't used in that story. the only possible way I could see her taking him out is via an internal attack such as shutting down his brain to ko him. thst could possibly even kill him but non lethal ways I cannot think of anything she could do.
I am sure the message boards would lose it if she dropped him with a bolt of lightning lol.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think a brain zap would work he’s most likely immune to any shocks mabe her god blast from BP could aleast k.o him for a bit lol
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5470920]That’s because a possessed Doctor Strange could never be at full power, that does not take anything away from Ororo, but Stephen power comes from the self, not his possessed physical form[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure canonicslly such a statement can be supported but considering she's broken his bands of cytorrak when he wasn't possessed and considering knull would be fully aware of the thoughts and memories of his avatars I think its safe to conclude he was fully aware of any potential power each of the heroes under his control possessed.
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[QUOTE=Weathergodsson;5470921]I don’t think a brain zap would work he’s most likely immune to any shocks mabe her god blast from BP could aleast k.o him for a bit lol[/QUOTE]
I was trying to think of a none goddess attack that would work. also keep in mind what she would do, similar to what she did with sinister when she shut off his brain, would prevent the electrical impulses from moving in the natural way the would when functioning normally. its not really electrocution but halting the flow of the electrical movement.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5470925]I'm not sure canonicslly such a statement can be supported but considering she's broken his bands of cytorrak when he wasn't possessed and considering knull would be fully aware of the thoughts and memories of his avatars I think its safe to conclude he was fully aware of any potential power each of the heroes under his control possessed.[/QUOTE]
Magic was broken and severely damaged due to the EMPIRIKUL assault at the time of CIVIL WAR 2, Knull was right a possessed Doctor Strange is not as powerful as a possessed Storm
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5470935]Magic was broken and severely damaged due to the EMPIRIKUL assault at the time of CIVIL WAR 2, Knull was right a possessed Doctor Strange is not as powerful as a possessed Storm[/QUOTE]
there was zero indication during that bendis story dr strange was weakened even minutely so, though people who have tried the invalidate the feat looked to find non in-story references to justify how storm could do so.
and that is not what knull said. he said of all the possessed avatars, which including fan faves such as Dr strange, Thor, and hulk, storm was the most powerful. but if you have to find non-canonical, non in-story reasons to make it work for you have at it.
she's also the omegas omega. gotta love the love she has been getting lately and rightfully so.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5470950]there was zero indication during that bendis story dr strange was weakened even minutely so, though people who have tried the invalidate the feat looked to find non in-story references to justify how storm could do so.
and that is not what knull said. he said of all the possessed avatars, which including fan faves such as Dr strange, Thor, and hulk, storm was the most powerful. but if you have to find non-canonical, non in-story reasons to make it work for you have at it.
she's also the omegas omega. gotta love the love she has been getting lately and rightfully so.[/QUOTE]
Ever since 2015 Magic was broken and depleted all over the marvel universe, it was only recently that strange was able to restore his own powers and things started going back to normal, all it takes to check it out is reading Doctor Strange.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5470968]Ever since 2015 Magic was broken and depleted all over the marvel universe, it was only recently that strange was able to restore his own powers and things started going back to normal, all it takes to check it out is reading Doctor Strange.[/QUOTE]
I know what occurred in his solo run that was written by a completely different writer which didn't have any reference to the cw2 story. which is why I mentioned people looking to invalidate the feat have to look to out of story methods to do so.
