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[B][U][URL="https://uncannyxmen.net/characters/vulcan"]Gabriel Summers -- Powers and Abilities | Omega-Level mutant[/URL][/U][/B]
Thus far, he has displayed the following abilities:
[B][U]Energy Manipulation:[/U][/B] Vulcan can psionically manipulate, control, and absorb vast amounts of energy as he sees fit. He can project radiation along the electromagnetic spectrum and even manipulate some exotic variants such as Cyclops optic blasts or Adam Warlock's magical energies.
[B]Energy Absorption:[/B] Vulcan could absorb virtually any type of energy and channel that energy through his blasts. It is unknown if Vulcan could absorb energy to achieve other effects to increase his strength, physiology, or the like. His energy absorption ability and his ability to wield energy had their limits. For example, his brother Havok was capable of easily overpowering him with his raw power and had him at his mercy after Vulcan threw him into a Sun. He described himself as a "High Order Energy Manipulator" and an "Omega-Level Energy Manipulator".
[B][U]Energy Blasts:[/U][/B] Vulcan could generate light, heat, force, electricity, and other forms of energy and project them in the form of powerful energy blasts. He could generate these blasts from his hands as well as his eyes.
[B][U]Flight:[/U][/B] Vulcan was able to fly and levitate using his powers. He was capable of interstellar flight (adding more energy to become increasingly fast, presumably sub-light).
[B][U]Solid Energy Constructs/Simulated Telekinesis:[/U][/B] Vulcan could solidify his energy into force-fields and other shapes. The effect of his energy constructs could be used to simulate a form of telekinesis by lifting and moving objects.
[B][U]Power Suppression:[/U][/B] Vulcan could apparently use his powers to override those of another person's mutagenic aura by manipulating the electrical current of their brain, making them temporarily unable to use them.
[B][U]Energy Detection:[/U][/B] Vulcan was capable of detecting energy signatures from great distances when the power in question was potent. This included other mutants with energy powers usually at lesser ranges and starships at far greater rangers based on their star engines.
[B][U]Energy Self-Sustenance:[/U][/B] He also appeared capable of breathing in space as well as speaking by transmitting his voice as pure energy, though this ability seemed to be limited. If he didn't rest or find power other than his own, his reserve would leave him seemingly scarce until he did.
Healing: Also shown capable of healing from seemingly mortal injuries by manipulating his body's energy composition.
The full extent and speed of Vulcan's capacity to heal isn't known. The term healing is used in lieu of regeneration as Vulcan did not regenerate his eye or heal the scar inflicted on him by Gladiator.
[B][U]Power Siphoning:[/U][/B] Vulcan demonstrated the ability to siphon his opponents' powers. Vulcan was able to siphon Marvel Girl's power of telepathically accessing the psychic remnants of events that certain places held while he was suppressing her powers, it unknown whether or not he can siphon someones powers when that person is still able to access them. It is not known whether Vulcan permanently kept these powers or not, but it's unlikely.
[B][U]Psionic Resistance:[/U][/B] Vulcan proved highly resistant to psionic attacks. The only such attack to be successful was performed by Marvel Girl after he had already lowered his defense in order to show the X-Men his memories of Krakoa. In most cases he is able to use a telepath's own psionic energy to protect himself from the same.
[B][U][URL="https://www.cbr.com/xmen-marvel-vulcan-omega-level-mutant/"]X-Men: 10 Times Vulcan Earned His Status As An Omega-Level Mutant[/URL][/U][/B][/QUOTE]
Vulcan is a weather manipulator, storm is a weather manipulator.... Energy and weather ate two very different things energy translates to dynamo and weather is a system of energy and matter interacting. But to be honest I don't think I will say storm trump's Gabriel in energy manipulation because Gabriel has access to much more energy sources than she does. His energy sources are not only natural or cosmic but also esoteric. Storm mainly deals with natural and to a greater extent cosmic sources. Plus she has limited ability when it comes to energy as she has to enable it's interaction with matter in a system semi closed to produce a weather effects. Case in point kinetic energy plus nanobots creates a windstorm made from nano bots. Meanwhile Vulcan can solely manipulate kinetic energy without matter interaction.
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Is Vulcan a "weather manipulator"?
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5657588][B]Question for the thread[/B]: Would you be opposed or approve if Storm got tutored on or off panel by characters like Magneto, Bobby, Gabriel (Vulcan) in using her abilities that overlap with theirs?
Just curious to see everyone's opinions.[/QUOTE]
Of all, Iceman is the hardest for me to see him teaching Storm something, something I wouldn't want to see either. But now Magneto and Vulcan are on the other side, but I think she doesn't need to be taught, she learned to use her weather powers alone, her powers are much more complex than Magneto and Iceman's as they involve energies, elements, what What's missing in Ororo is a sure impulse, because it already has potential, it's just missing the writers stop being lazy with Storm's powers and want to show more. She has a very complete and diverse kit, maybe that's why she is constantly nerfed, lol she basically has the same powers as all three, it just changes the concept and the different potential.
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Nope. That seems really dumb.
Storm...like everyone else who is not a mutant adolescent who just came into their power...can hone and develop her powers herself. And while their powers overlap...none of the others are Storm with her specific mutation.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5658742]Is Vulcan a "weather manipulator"?[/QUOTE]
Energy manipulator
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storm is energy manipulator whose abilities manifest in weather phenomenon. that is why we see her do many things beyond just weather.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5659056]storm is energy manipulator whose abilities manifest in weather phenomenon. that is why we see her do many things beyond just weather.
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So the question we should be asking is if storms energy manipulation is as vast but her manifestations are limited to weather phenomena. Because I have been wondering if she can control the electromagnetic force then her abilities should be very all encompassing as em force has dominance over observable matter and all physical interactions besides gravity. Buti think though she has complete control over the em field she can manifest it with existing weather patterns. With this then she can use energy from varying sources to create storms and weather phenomena that do not naturally exist. Same might be said for the matter that she controls maybe she might not be restricted to wind, water and electricity but can apply this energy with other forms of matter to create really really wonky weather. Now that sheer amount of versatility and leeway in using her powers would truly be omega.
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That particular moment was a nerf on your weather control skills, wasn't it?
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5659074]So the question we should be asking is if storms energy manipulation is as vast but her manifestations are limited to weather phenomena. Because I have been wondering if she can control the electromagnetic force then her abilities should be very all encompassing as em force has dominance over observable matter and all physical interactions besides gravity. Buti think though she has complete control over the em field she can manifest it with existing weather patterns. With this then she can use energy from varying sources to create storms and weather phenomena that do not naturally exist. Same might be said for the matter that she controls maybe she might not be restricted to wind, water and electricity but can apply this energy with other forms of matter to create really really wonky weather. Now that sheer amount of versatility and leeway in using her powers would truly be omega.[/QUOTE]
Weather is just the natural patterns of energy fluctuation and turbulence of the fluid substances within celestial bodies. Whether it be a moon, planet, star, star system, galaxy, etc. They all contain atmospheres of fluid energy (plasma, gas, liquid) held together by gravity. It is driven by heat which sets energy in motion (kinetic energy).
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Even with all this potential that she can just do with her mutation, she still needs to be able to survive being hit by a blast capable of shattering a moon or "capable of destroying a million galaxies" or whatever overdramatic explanation is used to explain that person A shot her with a super powerful energy beam.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5659074]So the question we should be asking is if storms energy manipulation is as vast but her manifestations are limited to weather phenomena. Because I have been wondering if she can control the electromagnetic force then her abilities should be very all encompassing as em force has dominance over observable matter and all physical interactions besides gravity. Buti think though she has complete control over the em field she can manifest it with existing weather patterns. With this then she can use energy from varying sources to create storms and weather phenomena that do not naturally exist. Same might be said for the matter that she controls maybe she might not be restricted to wind, water and electricity but can apply this energy with other forms of matter to create really really wonky weather. Now that sheer amount of versatility and leeway in using her powers would truly be omega.[/QUOTE]
we've seen her manipulate energy beyond weather.
removing power from a ship:
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emps:
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internal attacks:
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these are applications that have nothing to do with wrestler manipulatio and demonstrates how versatile she truly is.
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Eric bowing to the goddess after she defeated him in battle... I love to see it!
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5659272]Even with all this potential that she can just do with her mutation, she still needs to be able to survive being hit by a blast capable of shattering a moon or "capable of destroying a million galaxies" or whatever overdramatic explanation is used to explain that person A shot her with a super powerful energy beam.[/QUOTE]
No different than doom whose armor has been fried many times. Iron man, i mean there are many power houses that dont have defenses ala jean who uses a tk sheild, we saw storm can use lightning sheilds in hickman xmen. Its all about the story and how its written i dont get why people worry about the glass canon crap. Hulk is the strongest there is but when they want him to lose he loses. Not that hard.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5659454]No different than doom whose armor has been fried many times. Iron man, i mean there are many power houses that dont have defenses ala jean who uses a tk sheild, we saw storm can use lightning sheilds in hickman xmen. Its all about the story and how its written i dont get why people worry about the glass canon crap. Hulk is the strongest there is but when they want him to lose he loses. Not that hard.[/QUOTE]
Yupp.
It's the same reason why I just don't get into her "unlimited potential to do anything and everything" either. As powerful as she is if the story calls for her to not win a fight, that's the writer's prerogative. And I'm okies with that...once the story is good.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5656343]I think all we can definitively say about galatic core is that she was connected to those energies which for me is more an instantaneous action:
[img]https://marswillsendnomore.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/uncanny-x-men-165-010.jpg[/img]
once that connection is established it would be just like moving a finger as those energies are a part of her.
however I think you make a good point about moving with good precision at lightning speed though I think we must keep in mind lightning doesn't quite move a light speed from what I recall.
we saw her connecting to energies on a cosmic scale again in black panther however here we saw it took quite a bit of concentration to do it:
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People a friend of mine was rereading the old X-mens comics, and he saw this moment here in particular of her, at the time we thought she had acquired this ability (astral projection) thanks to Acanti, but what if it was because she connected with the cosmic cradle / Nucléo Galactico. I'm thinking Al Ewing will develop this further, and maybe it's intertwined with what she did in the Coates run.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5659454]No different than doom whose armor has been fried many times. Iron man, i mean there are many power houses that dont have defenses ala jean who uses a tk sheild, we saw storm can use lightning sheilds in hickman xmen. Its all about the story and how its written i dont get why people worry about the glass canon crap. Hulk is the strongest there is but when they want him to lose he loses. Not that hard.[/QUOTE]
But that's just it. People like Doom and Ironman already have a [I]baseline[/I] of defense that people would have to overcome in order to defeat them. As you said, winning or losing is based off how the writer wants the story to unfold. In Storm's case however, the fact that she hasn't been sniped out of the sky in the middle of a battle is mind boggling. Even as recently as HiX-Man when she was shot with that techno organic virus, that could have easily been any number of energy beams and fried her on the spot. I'm just applying that type of energy to what and who she may be facing in space.
I mean yeah Ewing could establish that her natural immunity to the elements grants her the ability to deep dive in cosmic radiation/use cosmic energy with no ill effects. However, if we stick her in a fight with any number of the more established cosmic characters, she'd have to immediately go on the defensive.
I also would like to read interesting stories but I want the stories to make sense. If she's fighting a person who in canon can go toe to toe with other cosmic powerhouses then you'd have to wonder why they haven't sent Storm's head back to Earth already with a single punch. She doesn't need to be able to tank the Hulk without issue but it would be nice if a well-aimed rock couldn't KO her.
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Fact is...she has been "sniped" out of the sky many times. In Days of Future Past is one of the earliest examples.
She hasn't gone up against any cosmic beings...yet. So we don't know just how her powers would be employed.
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5659674]People a friend of mine was rereading the old X-mens comics, and he saw this moment here in particular of her, at the time we thought she had acquired this ability (astral projection) thanks to Acanti, but what if it was because she connected with the cosmic cradle / Nucléo Galactico. I'm thinking Al Ewing will develop this further, and maybe it's intertwined with what she did in the Coates run.
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yes I expect Ewing will definitely incorporate the acanti in some fashion.
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Someone posted about Superhero Squad and it made me nostalgic. Anyone else ever watch this show? What did you think of Storm’s portrayal?
[img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120712171426/superherosquadshow/images/2/24/Superherosquad_storm.png[/img]
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5659836]But that's just it. People like Doom and Ironman already have a [I]baseline[/I] of defense that people would have to overcome in order to defeat them. As you said, winning or losing is based off how the writer wants the story to unfold. In Storm's case however, the fact that she hasn't been sniped out of the sky in the middle of a battle is mind boggling. Even as recently as HiX-Man when she was shot with that techno organic virus, that could have easily been any number of energy beams and fried her on the spot. I'm just applying that type of energy to what and who she may be facing in space.
I mean yeah Ewing could establish that her natural immunity to the elements grants her the ability to deep dive in cosmic radiation/use cosmic energy with no ill effects. However, if we stick her in a fight with any number of the more established cosmic characters, she'd have to immediately go on the defensive.
I also would like to read interesting stories but I want the stories to make sense. If she's fighting a person who in canon can go toe to toe with other cosmic powerhouses then you'd have to wonder why they haven't sent Storm's head back to Earth already with a single punch. She doesn't need to be able to tank the Hulk without issue but it would be nice if a well-aimed rock couldn't KO her.[/QUOTE]
elemental shields are the best remedy here.
ice shields/water barriers, pressure domes, electromagnetism fields all would be appropriate:
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[QUOTE=Dipter;5659995]Someone posted about Superhero Squad and it made me nostalgic. Anyone else ever watch this show? What did you think of Storm’s portrayal?
[img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120712171426/superherosquadshow/images/2/24/Superherosquad_storm.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I used to watch it and haven't seen it in ages though. her and bp were so cute on the show.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5659056]storm is energy manipulator whose abilities manifest in weather phenomenon. that is why we see her do many things beyond just weather.
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/K4aH_J5-MzXM42AWjYeapMLI64FIfhtS39ipsZAw3Xz_Bz28lDSGAHvfM8fHFR6fPptKwU5qdaNE8g=s1600[/img][/QUOTE]
Not trying to be rude but every mutant if you really think about it is a energy/force manipulator. Matter = energy. Every mutant has a special focus of energy and force manipulation. Whether it be Iceman’s thermal energy manipulation, Jean’s psionic energy, Gambits kinetic energy, Magneto’s electromagnetism, etc.
Storm’s powers manifest specifically as manipulation of weather and any application you see of her power can indeed be classified under weather even if seems it doesn’t because weather is complex system that affects the entire universe. So while “Weather” is her specific classification. It encompasses so many others areas where as most other mutants are more limited in what they can do. Now she does have a lineage that supports the use of magic and her godhood which allows her to do things that aren’t specifically weather related but that’s not from her mutation.
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[QUOTE=Idiopop;5660072]Not trying to be rude but every mutant if you really think about it is a energy/force manipulator. Matter = energy. Every mutant has a special focus of energy and force manipulation. Whether it be Iceman’s thermal energy manipulation, Jean’s psionic energy, Gambits kinetic energy, Magneto’s electromagnetism, etc.
Storm’s powers manifest specifically as manipulation of weather and any application you see of her power can indeed be classified under weather even if seems it doesn’t because weather is complex system that affects the entire universe. So while “Weather” is her specific classification. It encompasses so many others areas where as most other mutants are more limited in what they can do.[/QUOTE]
I can understand the logic here as it all is energy but I do think the application is different. most mutants when using their powers have to exert their will to create said effect. when gambit charges objects by playing with their kinetic energy his is doing just that. however, storm is actually connected to the energies she commands. they are a part of her and she it which makes her abilities uniquely different. moreover, canonically her powers are stated as being the manipulation of energy and natural forces resulting in weather phenomenon. whereas gambit is specific to kinetic, iceman to removing heat/energy, Jean to tp/tk, Magneto to em energies, storm's powers allows her to manipulate multiple forms of energy including some of the aforementioned mutants.
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I don't want Storm to be overpowered. I'd want her to be more like Goku and Vegeta on Dragon Ball if any of you know about that anime. They are good strong fighters but they lose battles at times but they learn from the battle they lost and grow stronger and learn new abilities.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5659836]But that's just it. People like Doom and Ironman already have a [I]baseline[/I] of defense that people would have to overcome in order to defeat them. As you said, winning or losing is based off how the writer wants the story to unfold. In Storm's case however, the fact that she hasn't been sniped out of the sky in the middle of a battle is mind boggling. Even as recently as HiX-Man when she was shot with that techno organic virus, that could have easily been any number of energy beams and fried her on the spot. I'm just applying that type of energy to what and who she may be facing in space.
I mean yeah Ewing could establish that her natural immunity to the elements grants her the ability to deep dive in cosmic radiation/use cosmic energy with no ill effects. However, if we stick her in a fight with any number of the more established cosmic characters, she'd have to immediately go on the defensive.
I also would like to read interesting stories but I want the stories to make sense. If she's fighting a person who in canon can go toe to toe with other cosmic powerhouses then you'd have to wonder why they haven't sent Storm's head back to Earth already with a single punch. She doesn't need to be able to tank the Hulk without issue but it would be nice if a well-aimed rock couldn't KO her.[/QUOTE]
I don't know i just assume a lot i guess. Like most energy beams aren't going to hurt storm unless they are force. I mean she is pretty immune to all energy as all energy is used in some form to create weather phenomenon it's just a point of her being ready for it in my opinion. Though physical force is what i think her weakness is and of course viruses as we saw.
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If you're going to debate me at least use scans and not post from Wikis
For one Storm manipulates the energies that govern the weather. She controls the forces of the universe.
1. Thermal energy
2. Radiant energy
3. Chemical energy
4. Nuclear energy
5. Electrical energy
6. Motion energy
7. Sound energy
8. Elastic energy
9. Gravitational energy (Thunderstorms and stuff like weather fronts include gravity)
10. Electromagnetic Energy
11. Magnetic Energy
12. Mechanical Energy
She has shown without doing the Weather effects she can control these energies.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5660108]If you're going to debate me at least use scans and not post from Wikis
For one Storm manipulates the energies that govern the weather
1. Thermal energy
2. Radiant energy
3. Chemical energy
4. Nuclear energy
5. Electrical energy
6. Motion energy
7. Sound energy
8. Elastic energy
9. Gravitational energy (Thunderstorms and stuff like weather fronts include gravity)
She has shown without doing the Weather effects she can control these energies.[/QUOTE]
[img]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_medium/3/30174/2576627-patternsofforceandenerg.jpg[/img]
correct. she perceives energy and natural forces (which includes all the above) that are hers to command. I find this scan so useful because it nicely sums up how her powers work.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5660082]I can understand the logic here as it all is energy but I do think the application is different. most mutants when using their powers have to exert their will to create said effect. when gambit charges objects by playing with their kinetic energy his is doing just that. however, storm is actually connected to the energies she commands. they are a part of her and she it which makes her abilities uniquely different. moreover, canonically her powers are stated as being the manipulation of energy and natural forces resulting in weather phenomenon. whereas gambit is specific to kinetic, iceman to removing heat/energy, Jean to tp/tk, Magneto to em energies, storm's powers allows her to manipulate multiple forms of energy including some of the aforementioned mutants.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree, we’re basically saying the same thing in different ways. At the end of the day it’s all just energy.
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5660083]I don't want Storm to be overpowered. I'd want her to be more like Goku and Vegeta on Dragon Ball if any of you know about that anime. They are good strong fighters but they lose battles at times but they learn from the battle they lost and grow stronger and learn new abilities.[/QUOTE]
But what exactly is overpowered when so far shes been written incredibly weak from where she SHOULD be?
I want to see her at her most powerful atleast a few times because every other character gets story arcs or moments. Its about Storm got hers.
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[QUOTE=Stormultt Divine;5660185]But what exactly is overpowered when so far shes been written incredibly weak from where she SHOULD be?
I want to see her at her most powerful atleast a few times because every other character gets story arcs or moments. Its about Storm got hers.[/QUOTE]
great question! actually excellent question. I would love to hear how she is overpowered from those who think she is.
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The biggest problem is when, they don't use their powers creatively, she loses a fight where she was just using a specific skill, or an example is in Coates run where he made Storm need Monica to bring down a ship, I understand that the proposal is to show the collective work, but this is very frustrating, they always reduce it
to moments like this, in order not to steal all the highlights (FROM NOW, SHE URGENTLY NEEDS ONE OR MULTIPLE SOLOS)
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[QUOTE=Idiopop;5660072]Not trying to be rude but every mutant if you really think about it is a energy/force manipulator. Matter = energy. Every mutant has a special focus of energy and force manipulation. Whether it be Iceman’s thermal energy manipulation, Jean’s psionic energy, Gambits kinetic energy, Magneto’s electromagnetism, etc.
Storm’s powers manifest specifically as manipulation of weather and any application you see of her power can indeed be classified under weather even if seems it doesn’t because weather is complex system that affects the entire universe. So while “Weather” is her specific classification. It encompasses so many others areas where as most other mutants are more limited in what they can do. Now she does have a lineage that supports the use of magic and her godhood which allows her to do things that aren’t specifically weather related but that’s not from her mutation.[/QUOTE]
I think that is why storm's abilities when written at the true potential is essentially limitless, because like you pointed out matter is energy ultimately and most heroes have a more specific sources or specialities but weather is very encompassing and touches on a lot of areas in the realm of energy like take iceman and magneto for example their sources of energy is thermal and magnetism respectively these sources of energy are solely responsible for all that they can do yet storm can also tap into these forces and can use them together at the same time. This can potentially lead to interesting feats if explored. Jean uses psionic energy to read minds and to move objects but uses psionic energy to form a subconscious bond with the elements of nature.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5660108]If you're going to debate me at least use scans and not post from Wikis
For one Storm manipulates the energies that govern the weather. She controls the forces of the universe.
1. Thermal energy
2. Radiant energy
3. Chemical energy
4. Nuclear energy
5. Electrical energy
6. Motion energy
7. Sound energy
8. Elastic energy
9. Gravitational energy (Thunderstorms and stuff like weather fronts include gravity)
10. Electromagnetic Energy
11. Magnetic Energy
12. Mechanical Energy
She has shown without doing the Weather effects she can control these energies.[/QUOTE]
Notice how the fundamental forces of the universe can be found there along with many forces. My only ick is the gravity yh I know she can sense gravitational pull I'll of heavenly bodies on weather phenomena but can you explain to me more about the role gravity plays in weather I would love to learn more.
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5660083]I don't want Storm to be overpowered. I'd want her to be more like Goku and Vegeta on Dragon Ball if any of you know about that anime. They are good strong fighters but they lose battles at times but they learn from the battle they lost and grow stronger and learn new abilities.[/QUOTE]
I don't think storm can be exactly overpowered in a universe with Franklin Richards, molecule man and Thor. Marvel would break it own back to keep them on top. But it would be refreshing for storm to actually start exploring her abilities beyond the basic lightning strike and wind attack I mean she has soooo much versatility just waiting to be tapped. The problem up to this point was the writer's ND the fact that she is on a team hence she needed to be scaled back to enable others to shine. But now with her reings being free from earthly shenanigans she can finally start stretching the legs of her abilities discovering what she can really do and how far she can actually go. Because to be frank up until now we are yet to get the absolute defining moments as to why she is an omega over weather, it has been slowly coming with planet size and Ewing's statements but aside the galactic core feat which trump's most omegas by the way we are yet to see storm truly top Thor in the weather department. I mean the guy literally created a cosmic storm which decimated ego, created a temporal storm across time and space, shattered the foundations of a universe with a lightning storm and so on. I believe Ewing would at the very least give us a data page stating why she is above the god of thunder in terms of weather manipulation.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5660298]Notice how the fundamental forces of the universe can be found there along with many forces. My only ick is the gravity yh I know she can sense gravitational pull I'll of heavenly bodies on weather phenomena but can you explain to me more about the role gravity plays in weather I would love to learn more.[/QUOTE]
gravity is an iffy one for me too but gravity is a natural force so she technically should be able to control it.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5660108]If you're going to debate me at least use scans and not post from Wikis
For one Storm manipulates the energies that govern the weather. She controls the forces of the universe.
1. Thermal energy
2. Radiant energy
3. Chemical energy
4. Nuclear energy
5. Electrical energy
6. Motion energy
7. Sound energy
8. Elastic energy
9. Gravitational energy (Thunderstorms and stuff like weather fronts include gravity)
10. Electromagnetic Energy
11. Magnetic Energy
12. Mechanical Energy
She has shown without doing the Weather effects she can control these energies.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget the [I]Potential energy.[/I]
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5660298]Notice how the fundamental forces of the universe can be found there along with many forces. My only ick is the gravity yh I know she can sense gravitational pull I'll of heavenly bodies on weather phenomena but can you explain to me more about the role gravity plays in weather I would love to learn more.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://youtu.be/Hpk1WQNcV44[/url]
Remember that all air motions are developed by gravity which Storm controls. Gravity waves are waves generated in a fluid medium or at the interface between two fluid media when the force of gravity tries to restore equilibrium. Which can come from thunderstorms and weather fronts.
Also, remember that Storm is actively working with gravity because that's what is holding down the atmosphere. So when she produces an unnatural storm for example the planetary storm in worlds apart to easily get to California she has to manipulate the gravity also.
For example, gravity waves in the atmosphere are opposite to waves on the surface of the ocean. "The wave roll through the air instead of the water. Gravity is what keeps them going. If you push water up and then it plops back down, it creates waves. It's the same with air."
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5660348]Don't forget the [I]Potential energy.[/I][/QUOTE]
I included both Kinetic and Potential energy in Mechanical energy
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Also, Air pressure is due to the force of gravity acting on the mass of gases in the atmosphere.
Storm does have limited control of gravity but obviously, it's involving the weather. She can't go out and pull effects like Graviton or Moonstone.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5660308]I don't think storm can be exactly overpowered in a universe with Franklin Richards, molecule man and Thor. Marvel would break it own back to keep them on top. But it would be refreshing for storm to actually start exploring her abilities beyond the basic lightning strike and wind attack I mean she has soooo much versatility just waiting to be tapped. The problem up to this point was the writer's ND the fact that she is on a team hence she needed to be scaled back to enable others to shine. But now with her reings being free from earthly shenanigans she can finally start stretching the legs of her abilities discovering what she can really do and how far she can actually go. Because to be frank up until now we are yet to get the absolute defining moments as to why she is an omega over weather, it has been slowly coming with planet size and Ewing's statements but aside the galactic core feat which trump's most omegas by the way we are yet to see storm truly top Thor in the weather department. I mean the guy literally created a cosmic storm which decimated ego, created a temporal storm across time and space, shattered the foundations of a universe with a lightning storm and so on. I believe Ewing would at the very least give us a data page stating why she is above the god of thunder in terms of weather manipulation.[/QUOTE]
Also the writers are going with the more mystical and divine aspects of Storm. She vanished the Adversary and basically it looks like she is going to become Mars’s version of Gaea. So why does she need more power? It sounds like some of you want to make her the Living Tribunal. Lol
We’re slowly seeing her come into her trye power since defeating the Adversary.
