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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669932]Yh that makes sense because she has spent time with one of the most powerful telepathic ability in the world she has a handle on how to counter it should she meet it. The problem is that the writer's enjoy forgetting this, lazy writing if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. I don't keep receipts but i do keep my xmen dvd file on a computer.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5669710]Jean Grey braiding Ororo's hair from halfway around the planet was most impressive.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mercury;5669725]That was Jean being gentle. Like with Carol Danvers, she didn’t want to “fry her synapses.”[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mercury;5669903]1. She was not possessed by the Phoenix.
2. That was a friendly probe, if you will. That would be like Jean putting up a telekinetic shield and Storm attempting to manipulate a cool breeze around Jean only to note, “My breezes aren’t touching you because of your telekinetic shield.” That doesn’t mean Storm couldn’t manipulate gale force winds that would break through Jean’s force field, just that she isn’t choosing to be so forceful. In either case, Jean did what she did in X-Men: Red and that’s canon.
3. Again, Emma, who is not as strong as Jean, was able to remove Storm’s psyche from her body.[/QUOTE]
1. please see the last post. she had phoenix and cerebro. Ororo even comments and alludes to she wasn't able to do stuff on that magnitude since phoenix.
2. no it took a great amount of effort. both ororo and Jean agree on this as the scans I've posted demonstrates.
3. she did that with a gun and their bodies were switched. what issue did she remove storms psyche because if you are talking about uncanny when they body swapped that wasn't correct.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669950]yes it was.
phoenix AND Cerebro acryually:
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her mind was able to hist the entirety of eternity. Claremont established many moons ago that her will was one the strongest in the mu and many writers just choose to ignore that.[/QUOTE]
Yes, this was during the time Jean hosted the Phoenix, but she was not using it at that moment is what I meant. But yes, she was using Cerebro because Jean's X-Men team had all been infected with blood nanosites by Cassandra Nova, that is why Jean is tired. The nanosites were affecting them on a cellular level.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5669946]Yes, but don't take it literally, Iceman was able to stop the kinetic energy (movement) of light, if you want to know more about that, recommend see these two links.
[url]https://gizmodo.com/scientists-freeze-light-for-an-entire-minute-912634479[/url]
[url]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/cryomodeste/blog/iceman-freezing-speed-of-light-explained/134072/[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks, but I'd prefer the title and issue so I can see and read said power stunt first hand.
[QUOTE=Micabe;5669927]Don't nitpick it makes you appear desperate...[/QUOTE]
aren't you the authority on posting claims canonically sound? please go reared x-treme xmen issue 9. thats not nitpicking thats stating the facts. you wishing to characterize it as such however does make you look desperate.
The ridiculousness of it all is dawning on me now and I can’t stop laughing…
The Phoenix Force needed to use Cerebra and Storm’s psyche was expelled from her own body with a gun. 😂 🤣😂🤣
Nighty night.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669943]Oh that changes the whole storm vs sue debate since I was under the impression that her power couldn't penetrate.[/QUOTE]
distractors like to provide explanations for the showing; they will say sue let her use powers through her shoeld but nothing in that issue ever claimed as such.
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5669957]Yes, this was during the time Jean hosted the Phoenix, but she was not using it at that moment is what I meant. But yes, she was using Cerebro because Jean's X-Men team had all been infected with blood nanosites by Cassandra Nova, that is why Jean is tired. The nanosites were affecting them on a cellular level.[/QUOTE]
please reread the issue my friend storm comments that Jean wasn't able to do that since she had phoenix and Jean essentially tells her she is correct. those scans I posted show that.
funny how you went to saying she wasn't possessed by ohoenix to then changing to she wasn't tired after I posted the proof. lol
[QUOTE=Mercury;5669962]The ridiculousness of it all is dawning on me now and I can’t stop laughing…
The Phoenix Force needed to use Cerebra and Storm’s psyche was expelled from her own body with a gun. 😂 🤣😂🤣
Nighty night.[/QUOTE]
ironically her powers were taken with a gun too. lol
[QUOTE=Mercury;5669962]The ridiculousness of it all is dawning on me now and I can’t stop laughing…
The Phoenix Force needed to use Cerebra and Storm’s psyche was expelled from her own body with a gun. �� ������
Nighty night.[/QUOTE]
storms powers were neutralized with a gun by forge so villains using technology to do extraordinary things in a comicbook shouldn't be surprising.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5669965]ironically her powers were taken with a gun too. lol[/QUOTE]
technically her powers were still there she just didnt have conscious and direct access to them:
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[QUOTE=Mercury;5669952]Jean didn’t need the Phoenix Force nor was she in possession of it when she took down Storm, who was out of control, mind you, i.e., she wasn’t holding back, in X-Men: Red.
Frankly, I prefer Jean to be distinguished from the Phoenix Force. She doesn’t need it to siphon psychic energy or to become a being of pure psionic force; she does that all on her own, along with knocking Gladiator, a gang of Silver Surfers, and Galactus on their asses.
I’ve realized why these debates go nowhere. While I am fine with admitting Jean and Storm are equals, some in this thread feel the need to proclaim that Storm has no equal, which is laughable.[/QUOTE]
The funniest part to me is none of them can ever be equal and none of them can ever truly be more powerful than the other because their powers are undefinable. It's literally situational.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669969]technically her powers were still there she just didnt have conscious and direct access to them:
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true. very true. i've been reading my xmen dvd recently. i'm up to the adversary story and i swear it's better than i remember. lol
[QUOTE=Rosa Snarks;5669953]Now since when did this thread become Storm and friends? Take that mess outta here please. Have some respect for she who swam with Acanti, the Wind Rider, Hadari Yao, Regent Of Mars and the Voice of Sol!![/QUOTE]
It started with one misplaced tk post
[QUOTE=jwatson;5669970]The funniest part to me is none of them can ever be equal and none of them can ever truly be more powerful than the other because their powers are undefinable. It's literally situational.[/QUOTE]
they are not equals. im sorry but just no. for years people expressed that storm was not because she was not an omega but now all the sudden this narrative is changing, after the xoffices acknowledged she is god? I love you friends but again just no. maybe Jean and Xavier, are equals both are incredibly powerful telepath( as he was mentioned for the longest being the most powerful telepath in the universe) and they are both human but the fact storm is an omega, whose power class isn't shared with anyone else, and a literal goddess (divine magical heritage) removes any doubt one can claim they are equals. and there is nothing wrong with that.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5669972]true. very true. i've been reading my xmen dvd recently. i'm up to the adversary story and i swear it's better than i remember. lol[/QUOTE]
that era was so deliciously good. Claremont really did great things not just for storm but the entire team when he first wrote them.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669968]storms powers were neutralized with a gun by forge so villains using technology to do extraordinary things in a comicbook shouldn't be surprising.[/QUOTE]
Ohk now this is some deliberate foolishness I won't abide, they can believe that human beings can fly and control the weather in this universe but not psychic guns? Is it me or I smell a lack of argument on their side.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669977]they are not equals. maybe Jean and Xavier, as he was mentioned for the longest being the most powerful telepath in the universe but the fact storm us an omega, whose power class isn't shared with anyone else, and a literal goddess removes any doubt one can claim they are equals. and there is nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE]
I mean with the Hickman list they are equals in the omega realm but storm being a god in of herself actually puts her above them all on that list as she is an actual divine being.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669923]was him being hurt because of her storm? I know storm has created a storm to try and shield his mind from them but I didn't know he was affected by it.[/QUOTE]
I think so, because he was meditating, and Static Energy hurts telepaths, that's how he was able to find both, as shown in pages later
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669960]aren't you the authority on posting claims canonically sound? [COLOR="#A9A9A9"]please go reared x-treme xmen issue 9. thats not nitpicking thats stating the facts. you wishing to characterize it as such however does make you look desperate.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Yes, which is why I usually provide scans to corroborate any claims I make.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669977]they are not equals. im sorry but just no. for years people expressed that storm was not because she was not an omega but now all the sudden this narrative is changing, after the xoffices acknowledged she is god? I love you friends but again just no. maybe Jean and Xavier, are equals both are incredibly powerful telepath( as he was mentioned for the longest being the most powerful telepath in the universe) and they are both human but the fact storm is an omega, whose power class isn't shared with anyone else, and a literal goddess (divine magical heritage) removes any doubt one can claim they are equals. and there is nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE]
I think of characters like Jean as part of Storm pantheon. If in a 1000 years Storm is living as a goddess Jean is right by her side. So i stay 1000% out of Jean vs. Storm. They are soulmates to me. And right or wrong i feel that is what claremont intended. They will have many loves and possibly many lives but they have a level of power and responsibility that they will share forevermore. But that's just me.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5669970]The funniest part to me is none of them can ever be equal and none of them can ever truly be more powerful than the other because their powers are undefinable. It's literally situational.[/QUOTE]
This. So. Much. This.
I know that I shouldn’t be shocked at how some of these fan boys/girls rationalize their characters power sets and strengths and fail to see how circular their reasoning is…it comes across as pure desperation to attempt to build up their favorite character at the expense of other characters that they profess to also like.
I have never had fans of a specific character affect my enjoyment of a character until just recently - it surprises me that they don’t realize what a disservice they are to the character.
[QUOTE=Stormy;5669985]I think so, because he was meditating, and Static Energy hurts telepaths, that's how he was able to find both, as shown in pages later
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Though it is an impressive feat it was a dumb move in her part seeing as she generated soo much energy to block him he was bound to notice. But I get it.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669979]Ohk now this is some deliberate foolishness I won't abide, they can believe that human beings can fly and control the weather in this universe but not psychic guns? Is it me or I smell a lack of argument on their side.[/QUOTE]
lolol. im not sure but machines have been removing mutant powers for the longest. it should be be such a shock.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669982]I mean with the Hickman list they are equals in the omega realm but storm being a god in of herself actually puts her above them all on that list as she is an actual divine being.[/QUOTE]
storms heritage extends beyond the omega classification. her magical heritage alone doesn't allow such a clean to be made and adding her being a literal goddess also removes that argument. if one wants to argue all the omegas are equal just looking at that list that would be incorrect. storm isn't equal to magneto when it comes to manipulating magnetism. conversely he isn't her equal when it comes to weather. again its nothing wrong with characters not being on the same power level.
[QUOTE=Micabe;5669986]Yes, which is why I usually provide scans to corroborate any claims I make.[/QUOTE]
So stop talking shit and go read the book! You have the issue and the run go read it!
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669993]lolol. im not sure but machines have been removing mutant powers for the longest. it should be be such a shock.
storms heritage extends beyond the omega classification. her magical heritage alone doesn't allow such a clean to be made and adding her being a literal goddess also removes that argument. if one wants to argue all the omegas are equal just looking at that list that would be incorrect. storm isn't equal to magneto when it comes to manipulating magnetism. conversely he isn't her equal when it comes to weather. again its nothing wrong with characters not being on the same power level.[/QUOTE]
And neither Storm nor Quentin are equal to Jean in terms of telepathy. And it ALL, even weather manipulation, begins with the mind.
But then i fullly admit my bias my xmen go if i had to choose. Storm/Jean/Scott/Lorna/and now Synch. In that order.
[QUOTE=Micabe;5669986]Yes, which is why I usually provide scans to corroborate any claims I make.[/QUOTE]
I did too and not just scans the issue number so why your desperation got you making erroneous statements?
[QUOTE=jwatson;5669987]I think of characters like Jean as part of Storm pantheon. If in a 1000 years Storm is living as a goddess Jean is right by her side. So i stay 1000% out of Jean vs. Storm. They are soulmates to me. And right or wrong i feel that is what claremont intended. They will have many loves and possibly many lives but they have a level of power and responsibility that they will share forevermore. But that's just me.[/QUOTE]
its not a versus and it never has been a versus when discussing the topic here for me but their histories do not make them equals, their current standings don't make the equals, nor does canon. its not versus its simply staring the facts.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669993]lolol. im not sure but machines have been removing mutant powers for the longest. it should be be such a shock.
storms heritage extends beyond the omega classification. her magical heritage alone doesn't allow such a clean to be made and adding her being a literal goddess also removes that argument. if one wants to argue all the omegas are equal just looking at that list that would be incorrect. storm isn't equal to magneto when it comes to manipulating magnetism. conversely he isn't her equal when it comes to weather. again its nothing wrong with characters not being on the same power level.[/QUOTE]
I think Jwatson meant by their omega power was that at their level each being immeasurable in their own right for one to win against the other it would be situational.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5669998]But then i fullly admit my bias my xmen go if i had to choose. Storm/Jean/Scott/Lorna/and now Synch. In that order.[/QUOTE]
Mine is storm
Xwomen
Then the rest.
[QUOTE=Mercury;5669997]And neither Storm nor Quentin are equal to Jean in terms of telepathy. And it ALL, even weather manipulation, begins with the mind.[/QUOTE]
This is a pointless endevour. i mean if we are honest when storm first came back and didn't have her full powers and was a child she was able to take jean out by breaking her concentration by trapping her in a tornado and that was a young storm with faulty powers. This place is much more fun when we avoid trying to make someone more powerful than the other. Jean and Storm would never compete. Storm was willing to die for Jean in Phoenix Saga.
[QUOTE=Mercury;5669997]And neither Storm nor Quentin are equal to Jean in terms of telepathy. And it ALL, even weather manipulation, begins with the mind.[/QUOTE]
fun fact. storms powers require her mind, body and soul to be one. again her powers are quite unique in how they are utilized:
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[QUOTE=Mercury;5669997]And neither Storm nor Quentin are equal to Jean in terms of telepathy. And it ALL, even weather manipulation, begins with the mind.[/QUOTE]
Actually it is more complex than that as storm doesn't need to use her mind to activate weather phenomena... Infact the elements have been known to act without her consent or permission to save her.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5670006]fun fact. storms powers require her mind, body and soul to be one. again her powers are quite unique in how they are utilized:
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Yh this it's much deeper than your standard psionic manipulator it's spiritual, physical and mental.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669999]I did too and not just scans the issue number so why your desperation got you making erroneous statements?
its not a versus and it never has been a versus when discussing the topic here for me but their histories do not make them equals, their current standings don't make the equals, nor does canon. its not versus its simply staring the facts.[/QUOTE]
It feels like a versus to me. we as individuals have things we are better at than the other but i don't compare us as better or worse and i think that is the point people miss about the omega list. it's not comparable the funny part is at least one of the mutants up there have feat that at the time was undefinable by their power category as we knew it but they did it. therefore undefinable. Everything other characters have done, no matter how impressive can most likely be compared to a feat done by one on that list but theres was more bizarre. I think people are putting more "special" on it than there needs to be.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5670009]Actually it is more complex than that as storm doesn't need to use her mind to activate weather phenomena... Infact the elements have been known to act without her consent or permission to save her.[/QUOTE]
another point in why hers are uniquely different:
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Speaking of Quentin, wasn't there a comic book where Storm managed to trick your telepathy? If I'm not mistaken it was at a party, where she even kissed a woman
[QUOTE=jwatson;5670017]It feels like a versus to me. we as individuals have things we are better at than the other but i don't compare us as better or worse and i think that is the point people miss about the omega list. it's not comparable the funny part is at least one of the mutants up there have feat that at the time was undefinable by their power category as we knew it but they did it. therefore undefinable. Everything other characters have done, no matter how impressive can most likely be compared to a feat done by one on that list but theres was more bizarre. I think people are putting more "special" on it than there needs to be.[/QUOTE]
It does feel like a vs I mean, it is a if jean can't ravage her mind with omega tp what can she do against her panic.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5670017]It feels like a versus to me. we as individuals have things we are better at than the other but i don't compare us as better or worse and i think that is the point people miss about the omega list. it's not comparable the funny part is at least one of the mutants up there have feat that at the time was undefinable by their power category as we knew it but they did it. therefore undefinable. Everything other characters have done, no matter how impressive can most likely be compared to a feat done by one on that list but theres was more bizarre. I think people are putting more "special" on it than there needs to be.[/QUOTE]
maybe for some it is but correcting infactual claims made in storms appreciation highly classifies as a versus.
to your point about the list I think that is why Hickman took the approach that he did. its very balanced and measured. also most on that list can die but a bullet to the head so its hardly should be used as a measure to say who is stronger imho.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669999]
its not a versus and it never has been a versus when discussing the topic here for me but [B]their histories do not make them equals[/B], their current standings don't make the equals, nor does canon. its not versus its simply staring the facts.[/QUOTE]
This is so disingenuous. Canon does. In their most recent battle, Jean took out Storm, AGAIN, who was out of control and not holding back. However, you want to discount that for “reasons,” along with discounting or minimizing all of the times Storm has been possessed or psychically compromised by other characters. You use from canon what benefits [I]your[/I] argument and discount the rest or make up some headcanon as to why such and such a thing happened and how it didn’t really count. I can’t even enjoy myself while reading this thread dedicated to a character I love because you and a few others just go on and on about how superior she is to everyone else when she’s been shown time and again to be as vulnerable as all of the rest. It very much is a “versus” thing with you and a few others.
To be fair, this is her thread and I suppose you should be allowed to make ridiculous statements about her, but all it does is turn some of her less fervent fans, like me, off.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5670024]another point in why hers are uniquely different:
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Yh exactly do you have the scan where she explain to pheonix just how deep her power goes and pheonix was in awe?