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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5838923]definitely like wiccan osthur is but something more as storm literally becomes the bright lady herself. I believe hadari yao and osthur are the same entity with different names. Now I know this sounds crazy, but Hadari yao is the walker of clouds and the goddess who preserves the balance between all natural things. Oshtur is the grey goddess of balance and the lady of the air and the goddess of the skies. There was a hint that in ororo's bloodline there are women who are called windriders who have white hair, blue eyes and immense magical potential, we even saw this ancestor once defending her village from invaders. Storm is one of such women but she is more as she tapped into the very essence of the blessing and for a very brief moment became the bright lady when the wakandans believed in her.
She is a bigger god than adversary a fact tachala was very certain of, they also talk of a greater and higher power when referring to her as though bast herself is not enough. She also sates that she replaced all the orishas which is I think means more than is let on..
But the thing that really made me really believe that they are the same person is the fact that osthur and Hadari yao both get more powerful with more worshipers.
Osthur in particular is the true power of the vishanti being the absolute source of white magic in the entire marvel universe. She is invoked by other magical practitioners for a boost in the magical power of a spell in particular. Osthur has also been known to appear as a woman with white hair and blue eyes similar to storm and her ancestors in appearance indicating some genetic link. I am still doing research but soo far this is what I have been able to gather. And from this I believe this was something Coates was trying to fully establish cementing storms true importance in the marvel universe as the deity she always has been and answering the questions that has been surrounding her this whole time.[/QUOTE]
The Adversary trapped Storm and Forge in another dimension.
There Storm tried to summon the Bright Lady. She couldn’t, as in this new world the Adversary created she was meant to be the Bright Lady.
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I think that perhaps the writer wanted us to believe torch could take her out with such a tactic but I like to believe it was him being delusional and trying to grapple with the fact storm bested him.[/QUOTE]
and the fact that fire needs oxygen to survive so I think Storm could've handled him
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5839248]and the fact that fire needs oxygen to survive so I think Storm could've handled him[/QUOTE]
Right. Plus. throughout that entire fight Storm chose not to use lightning, which would have dropped Johnny on the 1st panel.
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[QUOTE=WallStreeter;5839245]The Adversary trapped Storm and Forge in another dimension.
There Storm tried to summon the Bright Lady. She couldn’t, as in this new world the Adversary created she was meant to be the Bright Lady.[/QUOTE]
This is oshtur appearing to a worshiper and she looks very much like Ororo
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I need more evidence to solidify my theory but right now everything I have gathered on osthur has been very scant. But I just finished reading the marvel tarot and in it there is a statement that stars that oshtur was likely the one who created the spirit behind ghost rider who was later corrupted by chthon.
Also tarn the uncaring comment about Ororo being from amneth made me start looking into the eldritch terrors in marvel and it looks like haggoth another member of osthur's divine trinity is an old one aka an eldritch god. Amneth is the home of eldritch terrors and gods. We already know that Ayesha was the sorceress supreme of her era from agamotto another part of the vishanti who is the father of Atlantis.
This would make Chris Claremont statement about storm being a third dimensional goddess seem not soo crazy as her godhead is an amalgamation of these three divine benevolent sources.
This is why I wish they dive deep into her ancestry and the legacy of the wind riders and the bright lady. It has soo much lore potential it's crazy. But as usual we have rehashed plots with charachters with tortured past yaaawwwwwwnnnn.
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Real question. Who was the last person to ascend to God hood?
Aside from Doom.
Very honestly Storm being a literal born goddess human to ascension is like a whole thing on its own.
Which is why I was mad Magma got Selene as her rouge.
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I think I'm starting to get the picture.
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5839483]Real question. Who was the last person to ascend to God hood?
Aside from Doom.
Very honestly Storm being a literal born goddess human to ascension is like a whole thing on its own.
Which is why I was mad Magma got Selene as her rouge.[/QUOTE]
Basically a lot of white male charachters venom and starlord just from this year alone. Oh and immortal hulk is apparently the avatar of the one below all along with all gamma monsters so Jenifer being a potential god that is progress?
The difference between them all and storm is that storm might literally be osthur in the flesh from birth but not truly aware of herself or identity. The air that osthur presides over in mythology is known as the aether. Now this is a universal substance that is the source of life, magic, quintessence, chi and all mystical energy. It is the air or substance the gods breathe in mythology hence why osthur in particular is invoked as the omnipotent osthur because of all the elder gods she in particularly is known for her sheer raw power. And her place in the cosmic heirachy is above that of the skyfathers as her son agamotto is on par with galactus and he is the weakest of the vishanti trinity. She is said to rule over logic and reason which may explain why storm is very level headed even in the most dire of situations and is known for her kindness and benevolent which is another strong quality storm posseses. They are very very similar.
I am bummed that Coates wasn't allowed to explore his vision for the charachter. All I have said is theory but would be nice to see the lineage of the windriders given some attention by xwriters. But I know eventually we would explore that maybe next year or ten years or even fifty years from now, but It would eventually come, I hope.
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The first two images I get the last one I don't really get.
But yes the death card means metamorphosis, a drastic change is coming for storm which would upend what we know about the charachter. And from what tarn said of amneth she might be tied to eldritch realms or beings through her blood. She was wielding eldritch energies with ease in limbo when she lost her mutant gifts.
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5838472]Yeah, I was about to say the same. Storm is resistant to the natural elements so she shouldn't have any problems if she can withstand the direct radiation of the Sun.[/QUOTE]
exactly.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5838545]Yh I thought about that statement but I believe she was referring to her immunity to radiation such as uv from the sun. I haven't seen storm withstand actual fire before which is ridiculous seeing as she is immune to lightning itself and has breathe fire and ice.The problem is that her heat based feats are inconsistent. She has gotten burnt by others before such as havok and sunspot. Which is even more stupid now I think about it cause storm has channelled heat from millions of suns without trouble. But the delusions still take place.[/QUOTE]
yea it certainly was but I believe she has some other instances where she has not been burned by direct fire. there are other instances where she has. that said she channeled lightning in her body which can be as hot as 6-7x the temperature of the hottest flame there is no reason why she shouldn't be immune to burning even from fire.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5838923]definitely like wiccan osthur is but something more as storm literally becomes the bright lady herself. I believe hadari yao and osthur are the same entity with different names. Now I know this sounds crazy, but Hadari yao is the walker of clouds and the goddess who preserves the balance between all natural things. Oshtur is the grey goddess of balance and the lady of the air and the goddess of the skies. There was a hint that in ororo's bloodline there are women who are called windriders who have white hair, blue eyes and immense magical potential, we even saw this ancestor once defending her village from invaders. Storm is one of such women but she is more as she tapped into the very essence of the blessing and for a very brief moment became the bright lady when the wakandans believed in her.
She is a bigger god than adversary a fact tachala was very certain of, they also talk of a greater and higher power when referring to her as though bast herself is not enough. She also sates that she replaced all the orishas which is I think means more than is let on..
But the thing that really made me really believe that they are the same person is the fact that osthur and Hadari yao both get more powerful with more worshipers.
Osthur in particular is the true power of the vishanti being the absolute source of white magic in the entire marvel universe. She is invoked by other magical practitioners for a boost in the magical power of a spell in particular. Osthur has also been known to appear as a woman with white hair and blue eyes similar to storm and her ancestors in appearance indicating some genetic link. I am still doing research but soo far this is what I have been able to gather. And from this I believe this was something Coates was trying to fully establish cementing storms true importance in the marvel universe as the deity she always has been and answering the questions that has been surrounding her this whole time.[/QUOTE]
Hmm I found it interesting, don't get me wrong, but if Storm really is an incarnation of Oshtur it will make her extremely powerful (not that she isn't, but we're talking Elder Gold), and the consequence would be a lot of nerfs , something nothing new in Storm's life, but the fact that she could be an Elder Gold, could make it worse, even more so she's in a core where Xoffice doesn't know how to work with the magic core (just look at Magik, or Ororo herself as an example). One of the reasons I don't like Wiccano is that it was created to be very powerful, but Marvel doesn't know what to do with it and, in my opinion, it doesn't have a lot of personality, this character.
And I see more about the fact that Ororo was a daughter, or descendant of a Goddess, or several of several lol, Shuri explained that the Orixás were sons and descendants of the first gods, mortals who lit up to divinity, but because they already have a little divine spark in their essences, that's how I interpreted it.
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I think I'm starting to get the picture.[/QUOTE]
Do you think this could be the future of Storm? Or is there something more to it? I'm really interested in this...
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5839483]Real question. Who was the last person to ascend to God hood?
Aside from Doom.
Very honestly Storm being a literal born goddess human to ascension is like a whole thing on its own.
Which is why I was mad Magma got Selene as her rouge.[/QUOTE]
I heard that in Iron Man's solo comic book, he glimpsed his future, becoming a God, if I'm not mistaken, lol
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5840190]I heard that in Iron Man's solo comic book, he glimpsed his future, becoming a God, if I'm not mistaken, lol[/QUOTE]
if iron man ever canoically becomes a god i think I would have to quit reading marvel.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840253]if iron man ever canoically becomes a god i think I would have to quit reading marvel.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://screenrant.com/iron-man-god-powers-armor-transformation-marvel/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5840186]Hmm I found it interesting, don't get me wrong, but if Storm really is an incarnation of Oshtur it will make her extremely powerful (not that she isn't, but we're talking Elder Gold), and the consequence would be a lot of nerfs , something nothing new in Storm's life, but the fact that she could be an Elder Gold, could make it worse, even more so she's in a core where Xoffice doesn't know how to work with the magic core (just look at Magik, or Ororo herself as an example). One of the reasons I don't like Wiccano is that it was created to be very powerful, but Marvel doesn't know what to do with it and, in my opinion, it doesn't have a lot of personality, this character.
And I see more about the fact that Ororo was a daughter, or descendant of a Goddess, or several of several lol, Shuri explained that the Orixás were sons and descendants of the first gods, mortals who lit up to divinity, but because they already have a little divine spark in their essences, that's how I interpreted it.[/QUOTE]
This was simply a theory to based on conjectural evidence I gathered and connecting the dots trying to figure out what Coates plan was. I may very much be wrong. For much as I am a nut for power I actually don't want her to become the all-goddess . Because oshtur is by all accounts the most powerful of the elder gods her only rivals are her sister Gaia and chthon both of which are beneath her. Her omega level mutant abilities are of more interest to me when it comes to her power development.
I just want to see a wind rider of the past and the lore that is of their family. I want us to go deeper into her ancestry learn about past windriders and other non windrider members of the family. Their relationship with oshtur how it came to be among many other things. Cause the name hadari yao was not just made up by wakandans it is an ancient name of prophesy and very known.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5840255][url]https://screenrant.com/iron-man-god-powers-armor-transformation-marvel/[/url][/QUOTE]
Yep ALOT of them are of have become gods like once or twice already.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5840263]This was simply a theory to based on conjectural evidence I gathered and connecting the dots trying to figure out what Coates plan was. I may very much be wrong.[B] For much as I am a nut for power I actually don't want her to become the all-goddess[/B] . Because oshtur is by all accounts the most powerful of the elder gods her only rivals are her sister Gaia and chthon both of which are beneath her. Her omega level mutant abilities are of more interest to me when it comes to her power development.
I just want to see a wind rider of the past and the lore that is of their family. I want us to go deeper into her ancestry learn about past windriders and other non windrider members of the family. Their relationship with oshtur how it came to be among many other things. Cause the name hadari yao was not just made up by wakandans it is an ancient name of prophesy and very known.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for clarifying this because you know some are quick to poo poo on the discussion about Storm and her power levels.
It would be nice to see Storm reach that level of potential so we can finally see it all fleshed out. We see characters reach their "full" potential for the plot time and time again so I don't see why the same couldn't be the same for Storm.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5840265]Yep ALOT of them are of have become gods like once or twice already.[/QUOTE]
I subscribe to the mentality that unless prayer makes you more powerful than you aren't a god, you're just god-"like". Hell it's the only way to differentiate between all these supremely powerful characters.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5840281]I subscribe to the mentality that unless prayer makes you more powerful than you aren't a god, you're just god-"like". Hell it's the only way to differentiate between all these supremely powerful characters.[/QUOTE]
Yes an actual god is a being who literally can gain power from worship. That's because the have a godhead whilst the others don't.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5840280]Thank you for clarifying this because you know some are quick to poo poo on the discussion about Storm and her power levels.
It would be nice to see Storm reach that level of potential so we can finally see it all fleshed out. We see characters reach their "full" potential for the plot time and time again so I don't see why the same couldn't be the same for Storm.[/QUOTE]
Exactly I love storms mutant powers they are science based and allow me to learn more about nature and the universe. Theorizing with them are very fun. I love her godhood too because it really drives home the ompf feeling we get from storm which just sets her apart from well all those around her. Why she feels bigger than all of them. Because she is above that literally. I also live it that it is a thing given to her by her family it gives her a very interesting lineage something that marvel is trying with many other heroes and failing.
I want to see if for the briefest of moment her to touch her true potential or at least go nearer than she has ever before. It would really drive home how much of a powerhouse she truly is.
Also side note I just read sword 8 again and I just saw she stated she is an omega and more, this means that Ewing has something planned for her I just hope he gets the book and space to do what he needs to do. I want to know why exactly storm was stated by knull to be more powerful than, Thor, hulk and basically all the heroes on earth. What is truly there. Because if it was an omega thing hulk would also be stated to be the most powerful as he also has an undefinable upper limit to his power and if it were just divinity cosmic Thor had just one shotted galactus so I am guessing it is the sum of both..
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5840295]Yes an actual god is a being who literally can gain power from worship. That's because the have a godhead whilst the others don't.[/QUOTE]
I expect the ones doing the worshipping to get empowered as well otherwise “god” is just a fancy word for “leech”
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5840328]I expect the ones doing the worshipping to get empowered as well otherwise “god” is just a fancy word for “leech”[/QUOTE]
Oshtur is the only being soo far that I know that has this ability. The more power she gives to others the more powerful she becomes. If that blessing is running through ororo's bloodline then definitely that would be a part of hadari yao seeing as she brought sustenance to the lands as she was worshiped. The benevolent nature of oshtur enables her to get more power from faith and belief and good deeds.
I remember this passage in marauders issue 13, where someone said that they were trapped and scared, but once storm came to the scene they felt at peace like everything will be alright, and that feeling came from a power that was deeper within Ororo. A peace that surpasses all understanding. The assurance of a god. That same peace came to Bishop when he invoked her name to scare off those corrupt soldiers.
Now that I say it she really does feel like an actual benevolent deity, whose presence alone brings great peace and assurance to those fighting alongside her. It has happened many times with the xmen where when storm is not on their side it looks like all hope is lost.
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absolutely ridiculous. ever since Coates canonized storm as a goddess it seems writers want to do the same for their favs. people scream up and down about storm being a goddess saying she wasn't so how in hades does it make sense for Tony to be one?
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5840263]This was simply a theory to based on conjectural evidence I gathered and connecting the dots trying to figure out what Coates plan was. I may very much be wrong. For much as I am a nut for power I actually don't want her to become the all-goddess . Because oshtur is by all accounts the most powerful of the elder gods her only rivals are her sister Gaia and chthon both of which are beneath her. Her omega level mutant abilities are of more interest to me when it comes to her power development.
I just want to see a wind rider of the past and the lore that is of their family. I want us to go deeper into her ancestry learn about past windriders and other non windrider members of the family. Their relationship with oshtur how it came to be among many other things. Cause the name hadari yao was not just made up by wakandans it is an ancient name of prophesy and very known.[/QUOTE]
So much potential, material to be used in a solo, which honestly makes me really sad that they don't want to do that, for reasons of not caring so much, they're more comfortable leaving Storm, where it is, "contained".
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840543]absolutely ridiculous. ever since Coates canonized storm as a goddess it seems writers want to do the same for their favs. people scream up and down about storm being a goddess saying she wasn't so how in hades does it make sense for Tony to be one?[/QUOTE]
I like him, but I think it's too much of an exaggeration. Marvel doesn't hide that it prefers the Avengers over the X-mens, that's pretty clear, just see the characters that earn the most in the solo series, buffs in their powers and everything else. Now Storm is rejected in a way, by her own main core, ending up leaving her as is.
[QUOTE=Daedra;5840328]I expect the ones doing the worshipping to get empowered as well otherwise “god” is just a fancy word for “leech”[/QUOTE]
Oh where have you been? Are you all right?
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By the way, Marvel gives more engagement to bad writers than to good writers...
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840543]absolutely ridiculous. ever since Coates canonized storm as a goddess it seems writers want to do the same for their favs. people scream up and down about storm being a goddess saying she wasn't so how in hades does it make sense for Tony to be one?[/QUOTE]
I don't think it is because of Coates I mean even wolverine has become a god before though that was shortlived and too unrealistic even for comic standards. Heroes becoming godlike is nothing new really what is annoying is that the ones who end up getting this development have no business getting it whilst those that do don't actually get it.
It kinda annoying but it is what it is.
I think the problem was that Coates truly wanted to work on a storm project probably more than even bp, but couldn't because of the movie rights and bp movie coming out. Hence why many bp fans picked up the fact that he really preferred to work with storm than just tachala. Not that he didn't like tachala but his prime focus seemed to be storm. Cause those developments seem like something he has been cooking for a very long time.
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5840579]By the way, Marvel gives more engagement to bad writers than to good writers...[/QUOTE]
Comics as a whole gives audience to bad writer's than good ones.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5840328]I expect the ones doing the worshipping to get empowered as well otherwise “god” is just a fancy word for “leech”[/QUOTE]
The ones doing the worshipping don’t get empowered generally. The girls does thins fit then like protect them or grant them good weather or maybe a few individuals get some gifts, but gods don’t generally empower most worshippers. Maybe the extra loyal ones who be one their high priests or priestesses.
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5840572]So much potential, material to be used in a solo, which honestly makes me really sad that they don't want to do that, for reasons of not caring so much, they're more comfortable leaving Storm, where it is, "contained".
I like him, but I think it's too much of an exaggeration. Marvel doesn't hide that it prefers the Avengers over the X-mens, that's pretty clear, just see the characters that earn the most in the solo series, buffs in their powers and everything else. Now Storm is rejected in a way, by her own main core, ending up leaving her as is.
Oh where have you been? Are you all right?[/QUOTE]
I will play devil's advocate and say the reason is financial. Storm is a big name like very big, most people even those in the third world know about her. If not by name by her hair and her powers. Solo comics should be a breeze right? Well no, because they believe and know storm books won't do as well she is soo synonymous with the xmen taking her out on her own would spell doom if not done expertly. Plus the xwriter's and marvel as a whole can't see her beyond that at the same time they know that she is too big for them. It's a very wierd paradox which was confirmed for me when Ewing said that there was no other person that came into their minds when they made the position of regent of Sol apart from storm.
Her best bet to getting a 'solo' is by getting the Emma and Kate treatment in marauders. Which I hope is going to come next year from the rumours I am hearing. A team book which heavily revolves around her.
Now you might say carol and Ms marvel have books why not storm, that's because carols books weren't selling but they knew that and still they kept pumping them out, cause it was a future investment into the captain marvel movie one which payed off. Kamala on the other hand was introduced as a solo hero so her solo sales are more likely to hold up as people are used to her going at it alone. Meanwhile people are used to storm being in a team book but taking center stage in those team books, so that's what we truly need and it would give great spotlight to the arakii.
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[QUOTE=WallStreeter;5840633]The ones doing the worshipping don’t get empowered generally. The girls does thins fit then like protect them or grant them good weather or maybe a few individuals get some gifts, but gods don’t generally empower most worshippers. Maybe the extra loyal ones who be one their high priests or priestesses.[/QUOTE]
Empowerment could be more than just powers it could be emotional or spiritual. Like being empowered to be courageous or being empowered to be kind to strangers. It could be a virtue. But as for being empowered in ability, yeah I don't know about that, only oshtur has that ability to keep increasing her followers powers to make herself stronger. Soo far aside her I know of no one else..
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840543]absolutely ridiculous. ever since Coates canonized storm as a goddess it seems writers want to do the same for their favs. people scream up and down about storm being a goddess saying she wasn't so how in hades does it make sense for Tony to be one?[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Just to put this out there, Tony didn't become a god through worship, he absorbed the power cosmic from Galactus' world ship so that makes a huge difference.
Also years ago(long before Coates making Storm a goddess), Tony did have the power of the Infinity Gauntlet in an Avengers story which made him a god as well but he refused to keep it.
So this isn't Tony's first time dealing with godhood. He probably won't keep it here either.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5840328]I expect the ones doing the worshipping to get empowered as well otherwise “god” is just a fancy word for “leech”[/QUOTE]
where have u been welcome back!
[QUOTE=Stormy;5840572]So much potential, material to be used in a solo, which honestly makes me really sad that they don't want to do that, for reasons of not caring so much, they're more comfortable leaving Storm, where it is, "contained".
I like him, but I think it's too much of an exaggeration. Marvel doesn't hide that it prefers the Avengers over the X-mens, that's pretty clear, just see the characters that earn the most in the solo series, buffs in their powers and everything else. Now Storm is rejected in a way, by her own main core, ending up leaving her as is.
Oh where have you been? Are you all right?[/QUOTE]
I agree. xoffices barely can show storm do anything out of using lightning but now iron man is becoming a god? the hell??
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5840627]I don't think it is because of Coates I mean even wolverine has become a god before though that was shortlived and too unrealistic even for comic standards. Heroes becoming godlike is nothing new really what is annoying is that the ones who end up getting this development have no business getting it whilst those that do don't actually get it.
It kinda annoying but it is what it is.
I think the problem was that Coates truly wanted to work on a storm project probably more than even bp, but couldn't because of the movie rights and bp movie coming out. Hence why many bp fans picked up the fact that he really preferred to work with storm than just tachala. Not that he didn't like tachala but his prime focus seemed to be storm. Cause those developments seem like something he has been cooking for a very long time.[/QUOTE]
im not saying Coates is the reason. I'm saying that since he made ororo a goddess I've seen this happen or appear to happen with other characters. magneto was refe=ing to all mutants as gods, venom with knull god, now Tony apparently.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5840674][COLOR="#000080"]Just to put this out there, Tony didn't become a god through worship, he absorbed the power cosmic from Galactus' world ship so that makes a huge difference.
Also years ago(long before Coates making Storm a goddess), Tony did have the power of the Infinity Gauntlet in an Avengers story which made him a god as well but he refused to keep it.
So this isn't Tony's first time dealing with godhood. He probably won't keep it here either.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Lets be clear Storm was worshipped as a real goddess when she debuted back in 1975. also cosmic power is something that is or at least should be different from being a god. the fact that he had cosmic powers at any point shouldn't make him a god. just a cosmic being.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840691]where have u been welcome back!
I agree. xoffices barely can show storm do anything out of using lightning but now iron man is becoming a god? the hell??
im not saying Coates is the reason. I'm saying that since he made ororo a goddess I've seen this happen or appear to happen with other characters. magneto was refe=ing to all mutants as gods, venom with knull god, now Tony apparently.
Lets be clear Storm was worshipped as a real goddess when she debuted back in 1975. also cosmic power is something that is or at least should be different from being a god. the fact that he had cosmic powers at any point shouldn't make him a god. just a cosmic being.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]It's already been established that absorbing enough power cosmic will make you a god(see: Avengers Korvac Saga). Silver Surfer is a cosmic being but he is not a god. As it's been shown in Marvel throughout the years, there are many paths to godhood.
Being worshipped doesn't necessarily make you a god and not being worship doesn't mean you aren't. I was merely point out that this isn't some new phenomenon with Tony, It happened prior to the article that was being refenced.
But in the end, what does it matter. Tony's brief stint with godhood has no bearing or effect on Storm's godhood. [/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5840704][COLOR="#000080"]It's already been established that absorbing enough power cosmic will make you a god(see: Avengers Korvac Saga). Silver Surfer is a cosmic being but he is not a god. As it's been shown in Marvel throughout the years, there are many paths to godhood.
Being worshipped doesn't necessarily make you a god and not being worship doesn't mean you aren't. I was merely point out that this isn't some new phenomenon with Tony, It happened prior to the article that was being refenced.
But in the end, what does it matter. Tony's brief stint with godhood has no bearing or effect on Storm's godhood. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Lol, you got it wrong, the question is not whether it will influence the story. And yes, writers are more likely to give powers, divine abilities, to these characters, and many fans respond positively (even if it doesn't go any further), now when it's the Storm, where divinity has been embedded in their story since always, for some reason, it's hard to see her having these moments for writers, and when she does, a lot of it is a shower of people, not liking it saying she doesn't deserve it, saying it doesn't make sense, and all that nonsense..
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5840704][COLOR="#000080"]It's already been established that absorbing enough power cosmic will make you a god(see: Avengers Korvac Saga). Silver Surfer is a cosmic being but he is not a god. As it's been shown in Marvel throughout the years, there are many paths to godhood.
Being worshipped doesn't necessarily make you a god and not being worship doesn't mean you aren't. I was merely point out that this isn't some new phenomenon with Tony, It happened prior to the article that was being refenced.
But in the end, what does it matter. Tony's brief stint with godhood has no bearing or effect on Storm's godhood. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
You are making my point for me. Silver surfer is a cosmic being but not a god. Galactus also a cosmic being but not a god. Canon is canon so can't argue with that but I think there should be a delineation between "god-like" aka cosmic beings and actual gods (beings with actual connections to the elder gods).
Canonicallly being worshipped is one of the requirements of godhood at least from the asgardian perspective:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11127/111275309/5633939-captainmarvelisgod.jpg[/img]
And pointing out what is happening with Tony is just to highlight one the absurdity of it as he is a man in a suit, and two if he can get this explored despite its absurdity im not sure why Storm who has been a goddess since her debut isn't getting these types of stories.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5840704][COLOR="#000080"]It's already been established that absorbing enough power cosmic will make you a god(see: Avengers Korvac Saga). Silver Surfer is a cosmic being but he is not a god. As it's been shown in Marvel throughout the years, there are many paths to godhood.
Being worshipped doesn't necessarily make you a god and not being worship doesn't mean you aren't. I was merely point out that this isn't some new phenomenon with Tony, It happened prior to the article that was being refenced.
But in the end, what does it matter. Tony's brief stint with godhood has no bearing or effect on Storm's godhood. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Having a godhead though does make you a god. Tony doesn't have a godhead neither does Michael korvac as powerful as he is. Being a god meaning a true God does entail the ability to recieve and be empowered by worship faith and prayers. You people conflate godlike with actual divinity which are two very separate things.
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5840716]Lol, you got it wrong, the question is not whether it will influence the story. And yes, writers are more likely to give powers, divine abilities, to these characters, and many fans respond positively (even if it doesn't go any further), now when it's the Storm, where divinity has been embedded in their story since always, for some reason, it's hard to see her having these moments for writers, and when she does, a lot of it is a shower of people, not liking it saying she doesn't deserve it, saying it doesn't make sense, and all that nonsense..[/QUOTE]
Exactly Stormy. With Storm it's "she isn't a real goddess", "she's too over-powered", "she's better without powers", or "she's just a weather manipulator." All of this is said about a character whose origin story literally involves her being worshipped as a goddess yet a man who makes metal suits becoming a "god" at least twice now shouldn't be side-eyed? Its ridiculous.
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If your power isn't derived due to being connected to the following beings you are NOT a REAL god/goddess:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/56904/1573681-1068514_elder_gods.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840732]If your power isn't derived due to being connected to the following beings you are NOT a REAL god/goddess:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/56904/1573681-1068514_elder_gods.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
That plus a godhead. Cause wanda and strange get power from them but they aren't gods cause they do not have an actual godhead or divine essence.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5840739]That plus a godhead. Cause wanda and strange get power from them but they aren't gods cause they do not have an actual godhead or divine essence.[/QUOTE]
yes agreed. thanks for the correction.
