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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840730]Exactly Stormy. With Storm it's "she isn't a real goddess", "she's too over-powered", "she's better without powers", or "she's just a weather manipulator." All of this is said about a character whose origin story literally involves her being worshipped as a goddess yet a man who makes metal suits becoming a "god" at least twice now shouldn't be side-eyed? Its ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Storm will one day receive the proper treatment, as other characters do, unfortunately it will be a slow process, but hopefully 2022 will be Hadari Yao's year.
I was looking at some old tweets and I found this moment here. I don't really follow writers that much, but I've seen that Kelly Thompson, is doing a good job writing the Captain Marvel comics, giving her new powers, would love to see her write Storm.
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5840716]Lol, you got it wrong, the question is not whether it will influence the story. And yes, writers are more likely to give powers, divine abilities, to these characters, and many fans respond positively (even if it doesn't go any further), now when it's the Storm, where divinity has been embedded in their story since always, for some reason, it's hard to see her having these moments for writers, and when she does, a lot of it is a shower of people, not liking it saying she doesn't deserve it, saying it doesn't make sense, and all that nonsense..[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I don't see where people have responded positively to Tony becoming a good. As far as Storms godhood, that should be a matter for the X-Writers to further develop. If they aren't addressing it, then it's getting ignored. That's not the fault of people who are against it, it's up to Marvel and the writers to push forward.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840720]You are making my point for me. Silver surfer is a cosmic being but not a god. Galactus also a cosmic being but not a god. Canon is canon so can't argue with that but I think there should be a delineation between "god-like" aka cosmic beings and actual gods (beings with actual connections to the elder gods).
Canonicallly being worshipped is one of the requirements of godhood at least from the asgardian perspective:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11127/111275309/5633939-captainmarvelisgod.jpg[/img]
And pointing out what is happening with Tony is just to highlight one the absurdity of it as he is a man in a suit, and two if he can get this explored despite its absurdity im not sure why Storm who has been a goddess since her debut isn't getting these types of stories.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]You're argument is against Marvel and the writers. So what if some people complain about Storm being a goddess? Marvel should continue to pursue that aspect regardless.
And if we are going by canon which so many of us do. It was stated that, Korvac gained the power cosmic, far more than what the Surfer has and became a god. Same thing with Tony. Marvel has stated that Tony absorbed the power cosmic from Galactus' ship and became a god.
However anyone wants to interpret what actually constitutes being a god is their own prerogative. Marvel chose to say that Tony became a god. Again, the argument isn't about what other people think about who is or isn't a god. According to Marvel, Storm and Tony became goods through different methods whether people agree/like it or not.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5840722]Having a godhead though does make you a god. Tony doesn't have a godhead neither does Michael korvac as powerful as he is. Being a god meaning a true God does entail the ability to recieve and be empowered by worship faith and prayers. You people conflate godlike with actual divinity which are two very separate things.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Again, Marvel stated that they were gods the same way Marvel said that Storm is a goddess. I'm not conflating anything.
Everyone has different beliefs so I'm not one to cast aspersions on what they believe constitutes a god. There are many humans throughout who were worshipped as gods who had no power other than what rights people gave up to them.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840730]Exactly Stormy. With Storm it's "she isn't a real goddess", "she's too over-powered", "she's better without powers", or "she's just a weather manipulator." All of this is said about a character whose origin story literally involves her being worshipped as a goddess yet a man who makes metal suits becoming a "god" at least twice now shouldn't be side-eyed? Its ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]The issue seems to be that there is no backlash against Tony becoming a god so now it needs to classified/categorized in some way.[/COLOR]
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Truthfully, anyone with superpowers could call themselves a god of whatever.
I mean think about it. Franklin Richards is the closet thing Marvel has to a true god but he has no worshippers. On the other hand, Dionysus is a Greek god of wine and parties but is nowhere near the power level of Franklin
Saying someone is a god is overrated.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5840804]Truthfully, anyone with superpowers could call themselves a god of whatever.
I mean think about it. Franklin Richards is the closet thing Marvel has to a true god but he has no worshippers. On the other hand, Dionysus is a Greek god of wine and parties but is nowhere near the power level of Franklin
Saying someone is a god is overrated.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I think it's just a matter of what people perceive. In Marvel, there are thousands of planets with alien life that have their own system of beliefs and what they would constitute as a god just as we have our own beliefs. Saying it's right or wrong is pretty much irrelevant, people believe what they believe.
I agree that the term is pretty much used very loosely. What matters most is what Marvel is doing to further develop these characters who they've elevated to god status.
I know for certain that Tony won't be a god past 4-5 more issues. [/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5840804]Truthfully, anyone with superpowers could call themselves a god of whatever.
I mean think about it. Franklin Richards is the closet thing Marvel has to a true god but her has no worshippers. On the other hand, Dionysus is a Greek god of wine and parties but is nowhere near the power level of Franklin
Saying someone is a god is overrated.[/QUOTE]
I agree. To us flatscans/mere mortals, any sufficiently powered being would be a "god". This is true in both the imaginative worlds of comic books as well as our own.
In fact, who is to say that the story of Jesus walking on water, for example, wasn't just misinterpreted? It is actually far more likely that it was an extraterrestrial with some kind of hover technology on the soles of it's feet. None of the illiterate farmers back then would've had a vocabulary that could describe such a thing.
Of course, it is more likely that there was no walking on the water at all and that it is just a story.
My point is that it doesn't matter whether the wielder of such power is a mutant, a messiah or hell, a manatee. If they wield enough power to mess with the physical laws of nature and whatnot then they are indistinguishable from a "god", rendering the entire concept (kind of) moot.
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[QUOTE=Odd Rödney;5840810]I agree. To us flatscans/mere mortals, any sufficiently powered being would be a "god". This is true in both the imaginative worlds of comic books as well as our own.
In fact, who is to say that the story of Jesus walking on water, for example, wasn't just misinterpreted? It is actually far more likely that it was an extraterrestrial with some kind of hover technology on the soles of it's feet. None of the illiterate farmers back then would've had a vocabulary that could describe such a thing.
Of course, it is more likely that there was no walking on the water at all and that it is just a story.
[B]My point is that it doesn't matter whether the wielder of such power is a mutant, a messiah or hell, a manatee. If they wield enough power to mess with the physical laws of nature and whatnot then they are indistinguishable from a "god", rendering the entire concept (kind of) moot.[/B][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I think you make a pretty good point here. Whether you choose to call them a god or a cosmic deity, at those power levels does it really matter?[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5840780]Storm will one day receive the proper treatment, as other characters do, unfortunately it will be a slow process, but hopefully 2022 will be Hadari Yao's year.
I was looking at some old tweets and I found this moment here. I don't really follow writers that much, but I've seen that Kelly Thompson, is doing a good job writing the Captain Marvel comics, giving her new powers, would love to see her write Storm.
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yes I like her being a queen of sol but I wiuld much prefer seeing her godhead explored. I remember that tweet it was a great moment.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5840796][COLOR="#000080"]The issue seems to be that there is no backlash against Tony becoming a god so now it needs to classified/categorized in some way.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5840790][COLOR="#000080"]You're argument is against Marvel and the writers. So what if some people complain about Storm being a goddess? Marvel should continue to pursue that aspect regardless.
And if we are going by canon which so many of us do. It was stated that, Korvac gained the power cosmic, far more than what the Surfer has and became a god. Same thing with Tony. Marvel has stated that Tony absorbed the power cosmic from Galactus' ship and became a god.
However anyone wants to interpret what actually constitutes being a god is their own prerogative. Marvel chose to say that Tony became a god. Again, the argument isn't about what other people think about who is or isn't a god. According to Marvel, Storm and Tony became goods through different methods whether people agree/like it or not.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
1. I agree but they really aren't in regards to storm; that's the issue when I see "iron god" stories popping up of nowhere.
2. I didn't read the book but from the synopsis I read on it on marvel wiki it said he gained godlike powers:
[i]Fleeing across time and space to the past, Korvac arrived on Earth-616. ... Attempting to download the knowledge of Galactus from the station into his own system, Korvac was imbued with the Power Cosmic and became a god-like being, which allowed him to restore his body.[/i]
[url]https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Michael_Korvac_(Earth-691)#Korvac_Saga[/url]
And Tony will never be a true God regardless of what writers say especially if that means were derived from cosmic power and not divine ones.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5840796][COLOR="#000080"]The issue seems to be that there is no backlash against Tony becoming a god so now it needs to classified/categorized in some way.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
honestly don't care what happens with him as its a power boost and not his baseline. Its just annoying that a real god isn't getting stories to explore this aspect of her baseline powerset.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5840794][COLOR="#000080"]Again, Marvel stated that they were gods the same way Marvel said that Storm is a goddess. I'm not conflating anything.
Everyone has different beliefs so I'm not one to cast aspersions on what they believe constitutes a god. There are many humans throughout who were worshipped as gods who had no power other than what rights people gave up to them.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Except these human literally couldn't harness said faith and belief into supernatural power. Like I said you are conflating the two. A god and godlike are two very different things. As Thor and the Asgardians themselves said a god has worshipers and said worship imbunes them with strength and power, Thor once heard the prayers of a people of a dying planet light years away he answered their prayers and sent them rain. Thor has no telepathy he has no ability to hear miles away yet he could hear these people as they prayed to him and called unto him for help literally light-years away THAT IS THE LITERAL DEFINITION OF A GOD. a being soo fundamental and potent that they can be invoked by the prayers, hopes and aspirations of a people.
According to marvel being a god and a cosmic being are two very separate things, same as being a hell lord and a god. To be a god you must have the godhead which by literaly means the divine nature. Just because someone is cosmically powerful doesn't mean he she or they are a god.
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. [QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840691]where have u been welcome back!
g.[/QUOTE]
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Oh where have you been? Are you all right?[/QUOTE]
Hey, so kind of you to ask, these days I’m just lurking on the forums, I’m kinda annoyed at marvel for the snail pace and low quality of content they have been putting out, soooo tired of begging for Storm’s crumbs months after months
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I don't understand how this has become let's defend godhood on behalf of Tony stark white boy mandatory annual deification. A god is a supernatural being which is considered divine and sacred if the power cosmic is a divine and sacred source of power then by all means Mr Stark became a god. If vice versa well...
Anyways all I know is that storm is a god not just because she is supremely powerful but more importantly that she represents something within people soo much so that her mere presence can inspire peace.
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Call me when those mandatory annual deified white boys can do this shit without blowing up planets or becoming cosmic Kaiju.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840864]yes I like her being a queen of sol but I wiuld much prefer seeing her godhead explored. I remember that tweet it was a great moment.
1. I agree but they really aren't in regards to storm; that's the issue when I see "iron god" stories popping up of nowhere.
2. I didn't read the book but from the synopsis I read on it on marvel wiki it said he gained godlike powers:
[i]Fleeing across time and space to the past, Korvac arrived on Earth-616. ... Attempting to download the knowledge of Galactus from the station into his own system, Korvac was imbued with the Power Cosmic and became a god-like being, which allowed him to restore his body.[/i]
[url]https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Michael_Korvac_(Earth-691)#Korvac_Saga[/url]
And Tony will never be a true God regardless of what writers say especially if that means were derived from cosmic power and not divine ones.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Not arguing the nature of Tony's godhood, just saying what Marvel said.
Besides, it was never intended for Tony to remain being a god or having that kind of power.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5840879].
Hey, so kind of you to ask, these days I’m just lurking on the forums, I’m kinda annoyed at marvel for the snail pace and low quality of content they have been putting out, soooo tired of begging for Storm’s crumbs months after months[/QUOTE]
Hmmmm from the looks of it we might not get anything till next spring. Life is too short for this speed.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840869]honestly don't care what happens with him as its a power boost and not his baseline. Its just annoying that a real god isn't getting stories to explore this aspect of her baseline powerset.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]That's not the point I'm trying to make or would ever endorse. I don't want Tony as a god, he's fine the way he is.
Again, the issue with Storm's godhood is that will Marvel continue to develop that aspect of her.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5840824][COLOR="#000080"]I think you make a pretty good point here. Whether you choose to call them a god or a cosmic deity, at those power levels does it really matter?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Thanks! I genuinely do try to not just be talking nonsense on here. :)
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5840873]Except these human literally couldn't harness said faith and belief into supernatural power. Like I said you are conflating the two. A god and godlike are two very different things. As Thor and the Asgardians themselves said a god has worshipers and said worship imbunes them with strength and power, Thor once heard the prayers of a people of a dying planet light years away he answered their prayers and sent them rain. Thor has no telepathy he has no ability to hear miles away yet he could hear these people as they prayed to him and called unto him for help literally light-years away THAT IS THE LITERAL DEFINITION OF A GOD. a being soo fundamental and potent that they can be invoked by the prayers, hopes and aspirations of a people.
According to marvel being a god and a cosmic being are two very separate things, same as being a hell lord and a god. To be a god you must have the godhead which by literaly means the divine nature. Just because someone is cosmically powerful doesn't mean he she or they are a god.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Again, I'm not conflating anything and I don't ever pretend to diagnose or interpret anyone's religious beliefs on godhood.
I only said what Marvel printed. If anyone has a problem with that it's an issue with Marvel, not me.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5840888]I don't understand how this has become let's defend godhood on behalf of Tony stark white boy mandatory annual deification. A god is a supernatural being which is considered divine and sacred if the power cosmic is a divine and sacred source of power then by all means Mr Stark became a god. If vice versa well...
Anyways all I know is that storm is a god not just because she is supremely powerful but more importantly that she represents something within people soo much so that her mere presence can inspire peace.
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Call me when those mandatory annual deified white boys can do this shit without blowing up planets or becoming cosmic Kaiju.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]That's not how I saw the discussion but okay I guess.[/COLOR]
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Baby I know this gotta be a lie!!!
[url]https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/exclusive-beyonce-storm-marvel.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5840796][COLOR="#000080"]The issue seems to be that there is no backlash against Tony becoming a god so now it needs to classified/categorized in some way.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I don't feel any regular human should become Gods. It's not like he had anything in his dna that would make him any level above a regular human
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5840940]I don't feel any regular human should become Gods. It's not like he had anything in his dna that would make him any level above a regular human[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]We all have differing opinions on the matter. I'm just pointing out what Marvel stated. Whether people feel he's not a god for whatever reasons is not what I'm debating just that Marvel said that he became a god. We can call him a cosmic deity if it matters. [/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5840928]Baby I know this gotta be a lie!!!
[url]https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/exclusive-beyonce-storm-marvel.html[/url][/QUOTE]
If this is true, this will be a double edge sword.
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[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF9WN6AXwAAuDqo?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF9WN6CWUAEt6cs?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
Storm got them edges gelled baby!!
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5840928]Baby I know this gotta be a lie!!!
[url]https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/exclusive-beyonce-storm-marvel.html[/url][/QUOTE]
lol i would watch halle or shipp first. LMAO.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5840973]lol i would watch halle or shipp first. LMAO.[/QUOTE]
me too. no thank you.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840961][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF9WN6AXwAAuDqo?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF9WN6CWUAEt6cs?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
Storm got them edges gelled baby!![/QUOTE]
Storm looks f-ing amazing! I love how they re-vamped her Gala outfit to be more warrior like. My only question is why the chain on the stomach/groin area I really hope they keep the cloud cape because it would be perfect with this new outfit!
The other thing that caught my eye is Rachel. Mam, why are you so pale? Holy sheet. Did she pull a Jubs and go vamp?
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5840980]Storm looks f-ing amazing! I love how they re-vamped her Gala outfit to be more warrior like. My only question is why the chain on the stomach/groin area I really hope they keep the cloud cape because it would be perfect with this new outfit!
The other thing that caught my eye is Rachel. Mam, why are you so pale? Holy sheet. Did she pull a Jubs and go vamp?[/QUOTE]
yasssss she does my initial reaction:
My girl looking like a SNATCHED African Goddess serving lewks, cheek bones, purrrrty hair, queen sh!t new outfit with them thick thighs!!! I LOVE IT!!!
She is giving edgy and regal at same time without having the outdated Mohawk. This is what I needed!!!
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840975]me too. no thank you.[/QUOTE]
exactly but then i don't believe anyone saying halle berry did a great job bringing storm to life so i'm taking it with less than a grain of salt though i don't doubt beyone would love to play Ororo Knowles.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5840951]If this is true, this will be a double edge sword.[/QUOTE]
it's like he's unaware of the backlash last time Beyonce was mentioned to play Storm. Mind you this petition started out at somewhere between 1,000-2,500 as the goal lol
[url]https://www.change.org/p/marvel-keep-beyonce-off-of-black-panther-sequel[/url]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840961][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF9WN6AXwAAuDqo?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF9WN6CWUAEt6cs?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
Storm got them edges gelled baby!![/QUOTE]
lmao! You got me ova here chuckling tf up :D
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840961][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF9WN6AXwAAuDqo?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF9WN6CWUAEt6cs?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
Storm got them edges gelled baby!![/QUOTE]
The hair, the outfit, looks like she still has the cloud cape and DAAAMMMMNNN those hips :o
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Hands down her best look to date. She looks so toned sheesh.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840961][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF9WN6AXwAAuDqo?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF9WN6CWUAEt6cs?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
Storm got them edges gelled baby!![/QUOTE]
nice outfit, im curious as to what the back looks like because that could make or break it for me. other than that some of the cleanest stuff from yu in awhile and Psylocke rocking them chun li thighs. other than that eh. Marvel and Akira Cebulski have burnt me tf out. after wed last week i've pretty much avoided all marvel news.
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I love Storm's new costume. I'll be glad when she's out of the gala outfit
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840988]yasssss she does my initial reaction:
My girl looking like a SNATCHED African Goddess serving lewks, cheek bones, purrrrty hair, queen sh!t new outfit with them thick thighs!!! I LOVE IT!!!
She is giving edgy and regal at same time without having the outdated Mohawk. This is what I needed!!![/QUOTE]
She looks like she's ready to kick some ass now more than EVER! I'm ready to eat, Marvel! Don't let me starve!
[QUOTE=jwatson;5840993]exactly but then i don't believe anyone saying halle berry did a great job bringing storm to life so i'm taking it with less than a grain of salt though i don't doubt beyone would love to play Ororo Knowles.[/QUOTE]
Which is exactly what she would be. It wouldn't be Storm, it would be Beyoncé and the actor should never overshadow the character they are trying to play. Storm would obviously benefit from her popularity but I don't think the utter implosion of the character Storm would be worth it. Ororo is MORE THAN interesting enough to capture the eyes and hearts of the audience at large without the pop culture Goddess portraying her.
[QUOTE=Sunny;5841003]The hair, the outfit, looks like she still has the cloud cape and DAAAMMMMNNN those hips :o[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;5841008]Hands down her best look to date. She looks so toned sheesh.[/QUOTE]
That's that Goddess physique coming through. 💅🏾
[IMG]https://y.yarn.co/1a03a56b-d582-487b-89ab-4098868dab6b_text.gif[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5840993]exactly but then i don't believe anyone saying halle berry did a great job bringing storm to life so i'm taking it with less than a grain of salt though i don't doubt beyone would love to play Ororo Knowles.[/QUOTE]
lolol right and I agree. I'm certain there are a lot of women and men who would love to play ororo but it doesn't mean they are a good fit to do so.
[QUOTE=Sunny;5841003]The hair, the outfit, looks like she still has the cloud cape and DAAAMMMMNNN those hips :o[/QUOTE]
lololololol yaasssss Ms. Munroe trying to hurt these gurls with this look. ultimate slayage.
[QUOTE=metalclouds;5840999]it's like he's unaware of the backlash last time Beyonce was mentioned to play Storm. Mind you this petition started out at somewhere between 1,000-2,500 as the goal lol
[url]https://www.change.org/p/marvel-keep-beyonce-off-of-black-panther-sequel[/url]
lmao! You got me ova here chuckling tf up :D[/QUOTE]
lololololol. (^_^)
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5841031]She looks like she's ready to kick some ass now more than EVER! I'm ready to eat, Marvel! Don't let me starve!
Which is exactly what she would be. It wouldn't be Storm, it would be Beyoncé and the actor should never overshadow the character they are trying to play. Storm would obviously benefit from her popularity but I don't think the utter implosion of the character Storm would be worth it. Ororo is MORE THAN interesting enough to capture the eyes and hearts of the audience at large without the pop culture Goddess portraying her.
That's that Goddess physique coming through. ����
[IMG]https://y.yarn.co/1a03a56b-d582-487b-89ab-4098868dab6b_text.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
we been starving for so long. and that gif is funny!!
so which book yall think she on? its either immortal xmen or xmen red. probably red since she got that big red x on her outfit.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5840961][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF9WN6AXwAAuDqo?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF9WN6CWUAEt6cs?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
Storm got them edges gelled baby!![/QUOTE]
See, that the reason T'Challa and Storm's marriage failed. She wouldn't keep that thickness covered. ;)
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5841043]See, that the reason T'challa and Storm's marriage failed. She wouldn't keep that thickness covered. ;)[/QUOTE]
tchalla the type of man be proud his wife showing all that thickness. he knew very early on ororo wasxnever the modest type lol.
