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And I did read the Annual as well for Storm, it was indeed really good. I do believe that this was one of the African Gods at the end, not sure if she was Gaia, however, her bone structure and her battered face represents some of the Spanish Gods, usually when a Spanish God overtakes a human body that human body starts to decay slowly until it becomes like the God's appearance and then it completely disappears, no bones, no teeth just dust.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5377238]And I did read the Annual as well for Storm, it was indeed really good. I do believe that this was one of the African Gods at the end, not sure if she was Gaia, however, her bone structure and her battered face represents some of the Spanish Gods, usually when a Spanish God overtakes a human body that human body starts to decay slowly until it becomes like the God's appearance and then it completely disappears, no bones, no teeth just dust.[/QUOTE]
what annual are you referring to?
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5376544]Really? Had no idea, I thought the Inhumans were created like a decade after Fox had the rights over X-Men. [/QUOTE]
No way! The Inhumans have been around from the 1960's. As has Crystal, the Exquisite Elemental.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5377304]what annual are you referring to?[/QUOTE]
Annual X-Men Issue 1 (2014), I think. Where Storm goes fighting that dark god which uses her auntie to summon that dark spawn from hell, or w/e. :D
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5377520]Annual X-Men Issue 1 (2014), I think. Where Storm goes fighting that dark god which uses her auntie to summon that dark spawn from hell, or w/e. :D[/QUOTE]
are you referring to Meruda?
[QUOTE=jwatson;5375927]And the church says amen. Why should black love be defined as any less than white love. We court, we date, we hang out for a long time before marriage. I mean come on, if Reed didn't see sue in 20 years real time as a romantic interest and then they got married after less than a year i just can't imagine white people being like "yaaaaaaaaaaaaaassss white love!"[/QUOTE]
This just TOOK ME OUT
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5377525]are you referring to Meruda?[/QUOTE]
Yep, and here is something from an issue Amazing X-Men Issue 12 (2014), Storm as a Goddess:
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She was turned into a Goddess by the Great Gods in the Spirit World, in this issue to fight another God. As well and Rockslide, Firestar and Iceman.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5377616]Yep, and here is something from an issue Amazing X-Men Issue 12 (2014), Storm as a Goddess:
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She was turned into a Goddess by the Great Gods in the Spirit World, in this issue to fight another God. As well and Rockslide, Firestar and Iceman.[/QUOTE]
oh I recall that issue. It would be very nice to see ororo finally transcend to an elemental being at some point.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5377757]Marvel Strike Force the Power of Love!!!
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Thanks for posting. I needed this in my life.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5378142]Thanks for posting. I needed this in my life.[/QUOTE]
Shiz it was written so care fee of history my a$$ felt like i needed it too for a second.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5378142]Thanks for posting. I needed this in my life.[/QUOTE]
you welcome and me too boo! these developers know exactly what we want.
t'choro for life honey!!!
[QUOTE=jwatson;5378171]Shiz it was written so care fee of history my a$$ felt like i needed it too for a second.[/QUOTE]
It is not that serious Brodie, just let it be jeeeeeezzzzz
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5376061]They actually did, exactly that. Let's not forget Crystal is a pure copy of Storm's powers just with all elements.
[COLOR="#A9A9A9"]Putting aside the above, I was thinking about Storm Godhood and something flicked in my mind. Storm represents both Gaia and Typhon, the Primordial Deities of Earth and Storms. I wonder... if her bloodline sprout from them. I mean Typhon was the god of the storm, and Gaia has the same Empathic link with Earth, she is the Earth itself, so Storm Empathic capabilities may come from Gaia, while her weather manipulation powers come from Typhon. Just a theory I had in mind.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
How did you come to the conclusion that Crystal's powerset is a [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]pure copy[/COLOR][/B] of Storm's powerset [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](give or take an element or two)[/COLOR] when Crystal's first appearance was in [B][U][URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Fantastic_Four_Vol_1_45"]Fantastic Four #45 (December 1965)[/URL][/U][/B] and Ororo's First Appearance was in [B][U][URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Giant-Size_X-Men_Vol_1_1"]Giant-Size X-Men #1 (May 1975)[/URL][/U]?[/B]
[QUOTE=Micabe;5379300]How did you come to the conclusion that Crystal's powerset is a [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]pure copy[/COLOR][/B] of Storm's powerset [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](give or take an element or two)[/COLOR] when Crystal's first appearance was in [B][U][URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Fantastic_Four_Vol_1_45"]Fantastic Four #45 (December 1965)[/URL][/U][/B] and Ororo's First Appearance was in [B][U][URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Giant-Size_X-Men_Vol_1_1"]Giant-Size X-Men #1 (May 1975)[/URL][/U]?[/B][/QUOTE]
I tried to avoid the similar power part as though they both control elements aside from that their powers are completely different. Crystal controls the direct elements as they exist and can play around with those to create certain weather phenom but Storm controls the very fundamentals of nature that governs those. In that sense Storm is the egg to crystals chicken.
[QUOTE=Mekk80s;5379245]It is not that serious Brodie, just let it be jeeeeeezzzzz[/QUOTE]
are you from america? I'm only wondering because your slang is weird to me.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5377671]oh I recall that issue. It would be very nice to see ororo finally transcend to an elemental being at some point.[/QUOTE]
but what element would she be since she literally controls about all of them? Wind, Water, Ice, Lightning, etc
[QUOTE=metalclouds;5379673]but what element would she be since she literally controls about all of them? Wind, Water, Ice, Lightning, etc[/QUOTE]
I think it should be like an amalgamation of them but how she was depicted during that alternate future when it was revealed she became a true elemental would work too:
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5373049]
I didn't really care for BP: KiB.
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That's fair and I'm truly sorry it didn't do it for you.
[quote]There were some nice parts but considering the writer has made known publicly his thoughts on topics particularly the xmen it made some of writing hard to read. [/Quote]
the writer loves the X men and owns nearly 100% of the X product that's ever been produced.
[quote]1. The interactions between the characters seemed very rigid and almost impersonal at times. It would make sense to see lower ranking members of the nation so reverent as they were towards tchalla but the way oyoye and shuri were seemed OOC.[/quote]
This wasn't a family reunion. This was saving the country from absolute destruction. No time to sit around and be casual. Also, he's just come from watching the love of his life be taken by a God that is also killing or absorbing his allies. He's FIGHTING to stay focused and save his people because the grief over Ororo's loss is nearly overwhelming.
[quote]2. Thorne has made pretty clear he doesn't like the xmem, which is fine, but why then do you feel the need to incorporate elements of its lore to make the point of how formidable Wakanda is. So Wakanda has an entity meant to defeat the Phoenix yet it didn't appear during AvX nor did it appear in Aaron's current Phoenix story? Yea no that doesn't ring true at all especially considering the writer's opinion on the xmen [/quote]
This is false. I love the X-men. I've never said otherwise because that would be a lie.
[quote]3. The issue in and of itself seemed to wrap up too nicely in a way that doesn't coincide with any of the other tie-ins. The Knull has engulfed the entire earth, has killed sentry conquered celestial yet wakanda could easily clear the atmosphere without the knull god sensing this and not immediately going to investigate this threat to his assault on earth?[/quote]
we weren't asked to link-up with the other tie-ins and usually, no tie-in books are required to do so. And i wouldn't describe the Wakandan "victory" over Knull (he never actually arrives in Wakanda personally) as "easy."
[quote]4. Lastly, storm's inclusion made absolutely no sense. it was clear she was there only to shade her. [/quote]
Nope. She was there to show how AWFUL her loss was to T'Challa and how it weighed on him. That loss took place in the main KiB book (already scripted before I was even on the project).
It's absolutely okay not to like my stories but you do have to tell the truth about them. Otherwise it's not fair.
I have nothing against Ororo at all and definitely nothing against the X-Men or mutants.
Hi Mr. Redjack! Thank you for your response! I appreciate you taking the time to reply!
[QUOTE=Redjack;5379893]That's fair and I'm truly sorry it didn't do it for you.[/quote]
There is no need to apologize. Everything is not for everyone but I appreciate you taking this criticism in a constructive manner.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5379893]This wasn't a family reunion. This was saving the country from absolute destruction. No time to sit around and be casual. Also, he's just come from watching the love of his life be taken by a God that is also killing or absorbing his allies. He's FIGHTING to stay focused and save his people because the grief over Ororo's loss is nearly overwhelming.[/quote]
Of course it was not a family reunion but these characters (T'challa, Shuri, Okoye) aren't solely soldiers whose common tie is the battlefield. To your point about watching Ororo being overtaken by Knull maybe it was the artistic rendering but it wasn't clear that he witnessed it; however, taking your insight on this into account his response that she was a no longer a factor did not seem to convey this event was overwhelming to him,, let alone there was any love between them at all honestly.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5379893]This is false. I love the X-men. I've never said otherwise because that would be a lie.[/quote]
If you claim you love the xmen i certainly cannot and will not argue that but I do not have any reason to lie. When you make posts on twitter saying Wanda was right then to quote "no more mutants" opinions such as these do not give off the impression you love the xmen since that event was arguably the most devastating thing to happen to the xmen. I do not think most would conclude based upon this sentiment one who felt as such love the xmen.
[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/GeoffThorne/status/1351604706611658752[/url]
[QUOTE=Redjack;5379893]we weren't asked to link-up with the other tie-ins and usually, no tie-in books are required to do so. And i wouldn't describe the Wakandan "victory" over Knull (he never actually arrives in Wakanda personally) as "easy."[/quote]
My point was not to infer that the event had to refer to other tie-ins. The knull god has defeated the celestials, engulfed the entirety of the planet with symbiotic darkness, and defeated the mightiest heroes on the planet yet Wakanda was able to defeat his knull army and rid wakanda from the portion of the planet covered by Knull without alerting and then feeling the ire of the knull god himself? It just seemed to wrap up too nicely imho.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5379893]Nope. She was there to show how AWFUL her loss was to T'Challa and how it weighed on him. That loss took place in the main KiB book (already scripted before I was even on the project).
It's absolutely okay not to like my stories but you do have to tell the truth about them. Otherwise it's not fair.
I have nothing against Ororo at all and definitely nothing against the X-Men or mutants.[/quote]
In what way was it indicated in the story her loss was awful and weighed heavily on him? After she is engulfed he said she was a no longer a factor. Showing flashbacks to her defeat for me isn't an effective tool to show this is weighing hard on him, especially when he concludes she is no longer a factor as coldly as he did.. Maybe it was the choice of words but i didn't get the impression this was hard on him in the slightest. For me it came across as an inconsequential footnote. Its hard to imagine anyone seeing their partner potentially killed having such a cold response
Lastly, I do not make claims that I cannot support through objective evidence. Maybe my interpretation of posts you made about Storm on CBR in particular may be incorrect but my assessment on your feelings regarding her and the xmen are taken from your words. When you've expressed as it relates to Storm in regards to her solo,
[i][COLOR="#0000FF"]WHY am i reading the Storm story, separate from the fact that she's an X Man? Why do I care what she wants or what happens to her?
out of the context of her as a supporting character, I don't. I would REALLY like to but, aside from being the black chick on the team with some fairly powerful abilities, I just don't care.[/COLOR][/i]
That speaks volumes to me as a fan who in fact loves the character. I dont expect everyone to love storm or even like her but i honestly do not expect anyone who likes a character to make those kinds of posts but that is just me. Now about Claremont you described her as being:
[i][COLOR="#0000FF"]In Claremont's hands she was little more than a fetish object (something nearly all his female characters were at one time or another).[/COLOR][/i]
[url]https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?31403-The-Mission-THE-COLOR-BARRIER-The-Life-and-Death-of-Marvel-s-X-Goddess-Storm/page8[/url]
Its hard to imagine anyone liking Storm when they express such feelings regarding the version that initially catapulted her to popularity.
All in all, I get it that over the years Ororo has not been showcased often embracing aspects of her character beyond being a mutant (I've expressed similar feelings on this forum) but that isn't the character's fault and is more an issue with the lack of diversity at Marvel, and specifically the xoffices. Nonetheless, these are statements you've made which makes it extremely hard for me to conclude that one likes a character or the team she is on when I read said statements such as the aforementioned but let's be clear I'm not saying or attributing feelings onto you out of thin air; I'm literally making these conclusions based upon your own words (which doesn't even include the ones I've read over in the BP thread).
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5380025]Hi Mr. Redjack! Thank you for your response! I appreciate you taking the time to reply!
There is no need to apologize. Everything is not for everyone but I appreciate you taking this criticism in a constructive manner.
Of course it was not a family reunion but these characters (T'challa, Shuri, Okoye) aren't solely soldiers whose common tie is the battlefield. To your point about watching Ororo being overtaken by Knull maybe it was the artistic rendering but it wasn't clear that he witnessed it; however, taking your insight on this into account his response that she was a no longer a factor did not seem to convey this event was overwhelming to him,, let alone there was any love between them at all honestly.[/quote]
he is telling himself not to think of her and yet he keeps thinking of her. Why Shuri asks him where Storm is, he refers to her as his beloved with his mask off and then says she's no longer a factor because he witnessed her "death." The reason the mask is assembling on his face at exactly that moment is BECUASE he has to lock down his emotions in order tosave Wakanda.
I could have EASILY completely ignored Storm in this story. No Shuri asking about her, no T'Challa having to FORCE himself to focus on saving Wakanda, no Shuri and Okoye ALSO reacting with shock and sadness about her being lost.
But didn't. I included it because Storm matters to all of them. They just have a much bigger problem to deal with at that exact moment.
Wakanda is more important to them than mourning Storm. Of course it is. That's a long way from saying she doesn't matter. And I didn't.
[quote]If you claim you love the xmen i certainly cannot and will not argue that but I do not have any reason to lie. When you make posts on twitter saying Wanda was right then to quote "no more mutants" opinions such as these do not give off the impression you love the xmen since that event was arguably the most devastating thing to happen to the xmen. I do not think most would conclude based upon this sentiment one who felt as such love the xmen.
[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/GeoffThorne/status/1351604706611658752[/url][/quote]
There are too many mutants and the don't work as a metaphor for being back or latin or asian in the united states. The early work as a metaphor for being queer in the United states. It's an observation that has nothing to do with whether or not I love the X-men. I do. Why would i collect ALL their comics if i didn't love them? only idiots hate-buy comics.
[quote]My point was not to infer that the event had to refer to other tie-ins. The knull god has defeated the celestials, engulfed the entirety of the planet with symbiotic darkness, and defeated the mightiest heroes on the planet yet Wakanda was able to defeat his knull army and rid wakanda from the portion of the planet covered by Knull without alerting and then feeling the ire of the knull god himself? It just seemed to wrap up too nicely imho.[/quote]
They never met Knull, in person. They just cleansed and protected Wakanda from an army of his symbiotes. If that wan't possible Marvel Editorial wouldn't have let me do it. I neither know nor care how fighting Knull is being treated in the other tie-in books. I'm not writing those.
[quote]In what way was it indicated in the story her loss was awful and weighed heavily on him? After she is engulfed he said she was a no longer a factor. Showing flashbacks to her defeat for me isn't an effective tool to show this is weighing hard on him, especially when he concludes she is no longer a factor as coldly as he did.. Maybe it was the choice of words but i didn't get the impression this was hard on him in the slightest. For me it came across as an inconsequential footnote. Its hard to imagine anyone seeing their partner potentially killed having such a cold response[/quote]
you're entitled to that option but you should know you may be the only person who didn't get those sequences the way they were intended.
[quote]Lastly, I do not make claims that I cannot support through objective evidence. Maybe my interpretation of posts you made about Storm on CBR in particular may be incorrect but my assessment on your feelings regarding her and the xmen are taken from your words. When you've expressed as it relates to Storm in regards to her solo,
[i]WHY am i reading the Storm story, separate from the fact that she's an X Man? Why do I care what she wants or what happens to her?
out of the context of her as a supporting character, I don't. I would REALLY like to but, aside from being the black chick on the team with some fairly powerful abilities, I just don't care.[/i]
and about Claremont you described her as being:
[i]In Claremont's hands she was little more than a fetish object (something nearly all his female characters were at one time or another).[/i]
[url]https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?31403-The-Mission-THE-COLOR-BARRIER-The-Life-and-Death-of-Marvel-s-X-Goddess-Storm/page8[/url]
I get it that over the years Ororo has not been showcased embracing aspects of her character beyond being a mutant but that isn't the character's fault and is more an issue with the lack of diversity at Marvel, and specifically the xoffices. Nonetheless, these are statements you've made but it is again very hard to conclude that one likes a character when I read statements such as these but let's be clear I'm not saying or attributing feelings on you out of the thin air; I'm literally making these conclusions based upon your own words (which doesn't even include the ones I've read over in the BP thread).[/QUOTE]
you're mixing a bunch of things together.
1. I would love to write a Storm solo. I feel, like many black characters at BOTH Marvel and DC, she has been written inconsistently and mostly poorly over the decades. She's basically there to be regal, hot and black. I think she deserves better than that. So, when I ask "why are we getting that solo?" I'm asking what are they planning to tell us or show us about Storm that will make people buy the solo?
No one bought the solo. Why? because there's not enough built up on Storm, after all these years, for MOST people to hook into.
2. I think it was a HORRIBLE mistake to marry Storm and T'Challa and I've been saying so since they did it. Reggie Hudlin's a friend of mine and i've told him more than once that I disagree with that. I absolutely understand why he did it and I agree with his motives but the fact is, marrying them hurt BOTH characters and put their larger stories on stall.
3. Storm is a secondary character in a team book. T'Challa is the lead in a solo book. Both their books are largely about protecting their "tribes." So marrying them means, basically, all they're ever going to do is argue about whose group is more important or one of them is going to be ignoring their own group in favor of the other. There's a better way.
4. Both Storm and T'Challa deserve their own villains– T'Challa's bench is only a LITTLE better than Storm's right now but both are weak when it comes to enemies that belong only to them. They both deserve their own love interests that allow BIGGER inclusion in the larger marvel universe and more flexibility in the stories that can be told about them.
This is my opinion as a fan and as a writer but it doesn't mean I have anything against Storm. As i said, I'd love to write a solo Storm book.
As for mutants as a group, yeah. there are too many. but i answered about all that on my twitter page and in a recent interview. no need to rehash it here.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380057]
he is telling himself not to think of her and yet he keeps thinking of her. Why Shuri asks him where Storm is, he refers to her as his beloved with his mask off and then says she's no longer a factor because he witnessed her "death." The reason the mask is assembling on his face at exactly that moment is BECUASE he has to lock down his emotions in order tosave Wakanda.
I could have EASILY completely ignored Storm in this story. No Shuri asking about her, no T'Challa having to FORCE himself to focus on saving Wakanda, no Shuri and Okoye ALSO reacting with shock and sadness about her being lost.
But didn't. I included it because Storm matters to all of them. They just have a much bigger problem to deal with at that exact moment.
Wakanda is more important to them than mourning Storm. Of course it is. That's a long way for saying she doesn't matter. And I didn't.[/quote]
Thanks for providing clarification on the intent behind the scans. You are the creator so there would be zero point in going back and forth on that matter. My initial reading of the book especially with his statement she was no longer a factor seemed to be a diss to me. The detail regarding his mask was one I took to show him forging ahead and not him attempting to hide his emotion. That is good to know.
I understand you didn't have to include her which is why I was really excited about reading the issue initially. I was hyping the book here and if I wasn't mistaken I was cautioned by a BP fan due to you writing the book and them knowing your feelings regarding the pairing. That said, since you have explained this portion I will not belabor that point any further.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380057]
There are too many mutants and the don't work as a metaphor for being back or latin or asian in the united states. The early work as a metaphor for being queer in the United states. It's an observation that has nothing to do with whether or not I love the X-men. I do. Why would i collect ALL their comics if i didn't love them? only idiots hate-buy comics. [/quote]
I understood your point and though I don't necessarily agree (the xmen can exhibit aspects of a minority group in the US without being exactly the same) it was the last part that was a separate idea from your initial point which i believe many xmen fans saw as an attack on that particular franchise. I do not claim to know your reasons for collecting the xmen but saying Wanda was right with no more mutants will not convey to the masses that you like them.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380057]
They never met Knull, in person. They just cleansed and protected Wakanda from an army of his symbiotes. If that wan't possible Marvel Editorial wouldn't have let me do it. I neither know nor care how fighting Knull is being treated in the other tie-in books. I'm not writing those.[/quote]
They also cleared the entirety of the wakandan atmosphere from knull too. Also, Marvel Editorial has allowed a lot of inconsistent stories to exist at the same time. For example, In Tanehesi Coates Black Panther he wrote her and tchalla rekindling their relationship while in Xmen Gold Guggenheim wrote her making out with Gambit for no reason. That said, I'm not saying Tchalla couldn't defeat knull in the way he did but it does beg to question why wasn't any of this done when Iron man and others were trying to defeat him and his army.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380057]
you're entitled to that option but you should know you may be the only person who didn't get those sequences the way they were intended.[/quote]
I've talk to other storm fans who saw it as a dig but as I mentioned since you explained what was going on I won't argue that any longer.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380057]
you're mixing a bunch of things together.
1. I would love to write a Storm solo. I feel, like many black characters at BOTH Marvel and DC, she has been written inconsistently and mostly poorly over the decades. She's basically there to be regal and black. I think she deserves better than that. So, why I ask "why are we getting that solo?" I'm asking what are they planning to tell us or show us about Storm that will make people buy the solo?
No one bought the solo. Why? because there's not enough built up on Storm, after all these years, for MOST people to hook into.
2. I think it was a HORRIBLE mistake to marry Storm and T'Challa and I've been saying so since they did it. Reggie Hudlin's a friend of mine and i've told him more than once that I disagree with that. I absolutely understand why he did it and I agree with his motives but the fact it, marrying them hurt BOTH characters and put their larger stories on stall.
3. Storm is a secondary character in a team book. T'Challa is the lead in a solo book. Both their books are largely about protecting their "tribes." So marrying them means, basically, all they're ever going to do is argue about whose group is more important or one of them is going to be ignoring their own group in favor of the other. There's a better way.
4. Both Storm and T'Challa deserve their own villains– T'Challa's bench is only a LITTLE better than Storm's right now but both are weak when it comes to enemies that belong only to them. They both deserve their own love interests that allow BIGGER inclusion in the larger marvel universe and more flexibility in the stories that can be told about them.
This is my opinion as a fan and as a writer but it doesn't mean I have anything against Storm. As i said, I'd love to write a solo Storm book.
As for mutants as a group, yeah. there are too many. but i answered about all that on my twitter page and in a recent interview. no need to rehash it here.[/QUOTE]
1. She definitely has been written poorly and inconsistently but the reality is books where non-white, non-male characters tend to not fair that well, even if the pitch is good. So I do not prescribe with your idea being the main reason why it did not sell well.
2. Why do you think it was a mistake? Hudlin mentioned in an article the reason it ended was because Marvel didn't own the rights to the xmen movie rights at that point.
3. I should have kept reading. Their stories ONLY have to be that way if the writers showcase them as such. Mr. Coates certainly didn't write her as needing to fight for one "tribe." So I believe his run demonstrates the opposite of this.
4. This is where I disagree. If you believe the two can't exist in the same space, as you've indicated, then of course you would see this as such. There are some readers who want to see Marvel's most popular black superheroes together fighting against common threats when necessary and doing their own thing when required too. Again, they don't need to be tied to the hip doing everything together all the time for them to work. Coates provide the blueprint and writers who follow who choose to deviate from that do so because they want to. Storm appearing in the BP book didn't impede on what the xmen wanted to do with her.
5. Seeing that you didn't agree with Storm becoming a goddess in Coates' run, what would your solo story be about and what storm story would you say represented the version you most connected to?
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380057]
2. [B]I think it was a HORRIBLE mistake to marry Storm and T'Challa and I've been saying so since they did it.[/B] Reggie Hudlin's a friend of mine and i've told him more than once that I disagree with that. I absolutely understand why he did it and I agree with his motives but the fact is, marrying them hurt BOTH characters and put their larger stories on stall.
3. Storm is a secondary character in a team book. T'Challa is the lead in a solo book. Both their books are largely about protecting their "tribes." So marrying them means, basically, all they're ever going to do is argue about whose group is more important or one of them is going to be ignoring their own group in favor of the other. There's a better way.
4. Both Storm and T'Challa deserve their own villains– T'Challa's bench is only a LITTLE better than Storm's right now but both are weak when it comes to enemies that belong only to them. They both deserve their own love interests that allow BIGGER inclusion in the larger marvel universe and more flexibility in the stories that can be told about them.
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This man speaks the truth!
I enjoyed your issue Redjack, and was glad to see some distance between T'Challa and Ororo. They do both deserve better. It was good to see that "I have a plan for anything" T'Challa again, reminded me of the Priest run. Look forward to seeing more stories from you.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5380075]
I've talk to other storm fans who saw it as a dig [/quote]
Fans are too thin-skinned these days. Always looking for trouble. I don't know about other creators but I never waste a moment of my time writing characters just to screw with fans. Never. The Hal Jordan fans are about to learn this lesson.
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1. She definitely has been written poorly and inconsistently but the reality is books where non-white, non-male characters tend to not fair that well, even if the pitch is good. So I do not prescribe with your idea being the main reason why it did not sell well.[/quote]
My feeling is that Storm, on her own, has never generated a big enough rogues gallery or supporting cast that is her OWN, not connected to the X-men, for people to want to follow her adventures. Unlike Wolverine, who basically murders people for a living (for some reason fans seem to like that) because she has no world of her own, there's nothing to hook into when you give her a solo.
It doesn't have to be that way, of course, but that's how it currently stands. IMO.
[quote]2. Why do you think it was a mistake? Hudlin mentioned in an article the reason it ended was because Marvel didn't own the rights to the xmen movie rights at that point.[/quote]
That's part of it, possibly. I don't know. I, personally, don't like it because it limits things as I said earlier in the ways i said. You don't make Superman and Wonder Woman a couple. DC tried it and it crashed and burned. They both have TOO much baggage from their own franchises to ever mix like that. Same with Batman and Wonder Woman. Batman and Catwoman work because SHE came from his franchise.
Also, the marriage irrevocably connects the X-men to Wakanda which, again, limits both franchises and mostly hurts Black Panther as the X is, traditionally, the stronger franchise. It would mean Wakanda and the Panther would always lose out to the X in any story conflicts. And god forbid the X ever lost out to Wakanda. The X fans would riot. It's just not a good idea to link them. IMO.
[quote]3. I should have kept reading. Their stories ONLY have to be that way if the writers showcase them as such. Mr. Coates certainly didn't write her as needing to fight for one "tribe." So I believe his run demonstrates the opposite of this.[/quote]
Do not take this as a dig at Coates or anything he's done (not eery water agrees with every writer's take on a subject) but I didn't like his run on the book. I checked out as soon as the first rape camps showed up in Wakanda and never went back. Also, Coates has said, multiple times, that he wants to write Storm and the X-Men MORE than he does the Panther adventures. So it makes sense his version of the book would please you.
I didn't like that pairing in the first place so it doesn't matter what he does with it. I think both Ororo and T'Challa deserve better.
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5. Seeing that you didn't agree with Storm becoming a goddess in Coates' run, what would your solo story be about and what storm story would you say represented the version you most connected to?[/QUOTE]
Hmm.
That would force me to pitch out that story here, in public, for free. Not a good idea.
But I'm a Black American who spent my childhood in Africa and has Africans amongst my close family now. If you read my VIXEN story for DC and the KING IN BLACK BAST/ANANSI story, not to mention how I treated Shuri in that story, you should trust that Storm would be in good hands with me.
One thing I would certainly do would be to remove her goddess status. She's an Omega Level mutant. She doesn't need to be an actual goddess too.
But don't worry. I can pretty much guarantee Marvel will never let me write Storm.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380135]Fans are too thin skinned these days. I don't know about other creators but i never waste a moment of my time writing characters just to screw with fans. never. The Hal Jordan fans are about to learn this lesson.[/quote]
It's good that you don't do this because I've seen what petty things writers can do. as I said based upon previous posts I seen you make I assumed, incorrectly so, you didn't care for storm and the xmen. i stand corrected and appreciate you setting the record straight.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380135]My feeling is that Storm, on her own, has never generated a big enough rogues gallery or supporting cast that is her OWN, not connected to the X-men, for people to want to follow her adventures and, unlike wolverine, who basically murders people for a living (for some reason fans em to like that) because she has no world of her own, there's nothing to hook into when you give her a solo.
it doesn't have to be that way, of course, but that's how it currently stands. IMO.[/quote]
I agree with this 100%. most of her existence has centered around her being an xman. forge even picks her apart about this when he took back his proposal. this is why I liked hudlin and coates' effort to expand her beyond simply that. the exploration of being a black woman in particular wasn't truly explored in the xbooks in the manner that was highlighted by McDuffie, coates, Harvey, etc.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380135]That's part of it possibly. i don't know. I don't like ti because it limits things as I said earlier in the ways i said. You don't make Superman and Wonder Woman a couple. DC tried it and crashed and burned. They both have TOO much baggage from their own franchises to ever mix. Same with Batman and Wonder Woman. Batman and Catwoman work because SHE came for his franchise.
Also, the marriage irrevocably connects the X-men to Wakanda which, again, limits both franchises and mostly hurts Black panther as the X is the stronger franchise. it would mean Wakanda and the panther would always lose out to the X in any story conflicts. And god forbid the x ever lost out to Wakanda. The x fans would riot. It's just not a good idea to link them. IMO.[/quote]
Well I dont know enough of the DC universe to truly speak on it but the unique difference between Tchalla and Ororo from my limited knowledge is that despite being from separate franchises canonically they've known each other since children. Superman,
Wonder Woman, Batman and Catwoman don't share that. From that connection a romance would start that ultimately led to their marriage and if we are to take Hudlin's words as truth it only ended do to the movie rights. It wasn't due to baggage or being associated with separate franchises.
In terms of the connection, these conflicts truly have ALWAYS been one-sided and told by the xoffices. I've never seen a bp story that took purposeful efforts, with the exception of Dickey's storm book, to show her on the losing side. However, I would add that Al Ewing is a great example as shown in his recent sword story that positive synergy can exist between franchises that don't revolve around conflict. Though I do agree xfans hypocritically so would lose it if the xmen lost to wakanda even though there should be no real reason why these two should ever feud considering tchalla and ororo history. xos is a great example of poor writing on those grounds alone. I also would like to say thank you for showing them in a loving light as opposed to a hostile one. that said, knowing you don't care for them as a couple why did you include ororo in KiB?
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380135]
Do not take this as a dig at Coates or anything he's done but I didn't like his run on the book. I checked out as soon as the first rape camps showed up in Wakanda and never went back. Also, Coates has said multiple times that he wants to write Storm and the X-Men MORE than he does the Panther adventures. So it makes sense his version of the book would please you.
I didn't like that pairing in the first place so it doesn't matter what he does with it. I think both Ororo and T'Challa deserve better.[/quote]
Uhmm i don't think its fair to assume my reasons for liking his book was because of storm. His run, which didn't involve storm more heavily until season 2, was actually a pretty solid read. His world building regarding the government and tchalla dealing with being king, as well as his development of shuri were all entertaining to me. The rape camps were not an issue for me as it just spoke to the evils that exist in all humanity which I dont think Wakanda would be immune to.
I respectfully disagree to the last point. When written I believe accurately the two would find none other better than what they would in each other.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380135]
Hmm.
That would force me to pitch out that story here, in public, for free. Not a good idea.
But I'm a Black American who spent my childhood in Africa and has Africans amongst my close family now. If you read my VIXEN story for DC and the KING IN BLACK BAST/ANANSI story, not to mention how I treated Shuri in that story, you should trust that Storm would be in good hands with me.
But one thing I would certainly do would be to remove her goddess status. She's an Omega Level mutant. She doesn't need to be an actual goddess too.
but don't worry. I can pretty much guarantee Marvel will never let me write Storm.[/QUOTE]
I've seen you pitch how you would write BP if you were to be a writer so didn't think it would be an issue but I understand and respect your position not to do so.
I thought you handled Shuri very well in the KiB. That was one of the aspects of the book I thought you handled well.
To the goddess part, that is why I appreciate what Coates did. As much as you may not like his Panther run the bits regarding her gift of godhead were canonically sound. I know you collected all the xmen comics but fun fact, Storm was hinted at being goddess a couple of times well before she was ever hinted to being an omega mutant, which a bp writer first did. That is why I find it interesting that part you would be inclined to do away with considering that history. Also never say never. You never know what the future may bring.
i posted a DEAD pitch on my site. that means it's something I know won't ever happen.
i never pitch a LIVE pitch on the internet because that would let somebody else do it without me. So i have a TINY little hope i might get to do a Storm book. As soon as that' hope is gone, i'll post the Storm pitch on my site.
and yeah. I do hate the goddess nonsense. it think it's the result of writers not knowing what to do with her so they just stack on some more powers. She's already a god-level mutant, just like Magneto and Apocalypse. she doesn't need all that extra stuff. she just needs a good writer.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380179]i posted a DEAD pitch on my site. that means it's something I know won't ever happen.
i never pitch a LIVE pitch on the internet because that would let somebody else do it without me. So i have a TINY little hope i might get to do a Storm book. As soon as that' hope is gone, i'll post the Storm pitch on my site.
and yeah. I do hate the goddess nonsense. it think it's the result of writers not knowing what to do with her so they just stack on some more powers. She's already a god-level mutant, just like Magneto and Apocalypse. she doesn't need all that extra stuff. she just needs a good writer.[/QUOTE]
gotcha about the pitch. that makes sense.
and Claremont the authority on ororo wrote this:
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its canonically sound and as mentioned was hinted at years before she was ever hinted to being an omega mutant..
also while on the topic another fun fact jean was given phoenix to put her on the power levels of storm, which as you know is a cosmic (god-tier,) being:
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[QUOTE=Redjack;5380179]i posted a DEAD pitch on my site. that means it's something I know won't ever happen.
i never pitch a LIVE pitch on the internet because that would let somebody else do it without me. So i have a TINY little hope i might get to do a Storm book. As soon as that' hope is gone, i'll post the Storm pitch on my site.
and yeah. I do hate the goddess nonsense. it think it's the result of writers not knowing what to do with her so they just stack on some more powers. She's already a god-level mutant, just like Magneto and Apocalypse. she doesn't need all that extra stuff. she just needs a good writer.[/QUOTE]
I can't argue with this.
And you're forgetting her "magic/sorceress" potential, as well.
[QUOTE=Redjack;5380135]Fans are too thin-skinned these days. Always looking for trouble. I don't know about other creators but I never waste a moment of my time writing characters just to screw with fans. Never. The Hal Jordan fans are about to learn this lesson.
My feeling is that Storm, on her own, has never generated a big enough rogues gallery or supporting cast that is her OWN, not connected to the X-men, for people to want to follow her adventures. Unlike Wolverine, who basically murders people for a living (for some reason fans seem to like that) because she has no world of her own, there's nothing to hook into when you give her a solo.
It doesn't have to be that way, of course, but that's how it currently stands. IMO.
That's part of it, possibly. I don't know. I, personally, don't like it because it limits things as I said earlier in the ways i said. You don't make Superman and Wonder Woman a couple. DC tried it and it crashed and burned. They both have TOO much baggage from their own franchises to ever mix like that. Same with Batman and Wonder Woman. Batman and Catwoman work because SHE came from his franchise.
Also, the marriage irrevocably connects the X-men to Wakanda which, again, limits both franchises and mostly hurts Black Panther as the X is, traditionally, the stronger franchise. It would mean Wakanda and the Panther would always lose out to the X in any story conflicts. And god forbid the X ever lost out to Wakanda. The X fans would riot. It's just not a good idea to link them. IMO.
Do not take this as a dig at Coates or anything he's done (not eery water agrees with every writer's take on a subject) but I didn't like his run on the book. I checked out as soon as the first rape camps showed up in Wakanda and never went back. Also, Coates has said, multiple times, that he wants to write Storm and the X-Men MORE than he does the Panther adventures. So it makes sense his version of the book would please you.
I didn't like that pairing in the first place so it doesn't matter what he does with it. I think both Ororo and T'Challa deserve better.
Hmm.
That would force me to pitch out that story here, in public, for free. Not a good idea.
But I'm a Black American who spent my childhood in Africa and has Africans amongst my close family now. If you read my VIXEN story for DC and the KING IN BLACK BAST/ANANSI story, not to mention how I treated Shuri in that story, you should trust that Storm would be in good hands with me.
One thing I would certainly do would be to remove her goddess status. She's an Omega Level mutant. She doesn't need to be an actual goddess too.
But don't worry. I can pretty much guarantee Marvel will never let me write Storm.[/QUOTE]
Can I just say this post makes me want to start a movement to get you put on as writer for a Storm solo! I have read your VIXEN story for DC and I loved it. I would be very interested in seeing your take on Storm. You seem to have a solid understanding of what it'd take to make a successful solo for Storm.
My view on the goddess thing is mixed. It's so underdeveloped now I could take it or leave it. My concerns is that it has the potential to overpower the character. She already doesn't have a sufficient rogues gallery to challenge her, (if I see one more story of her fighting Calisto!). Increasing her power levels further just means more writers will nerf her to be able to tell a story. Unless there are going to be villains of a similar caliber, I'd rather leave her as an omega mutant.
When it comes to storms god hood how personally I think it's an asset being a mutant goddess and that in of itself I feel opens so many limitless possibilities the problem is no one really delves in and explores that. I would completely remove her from wakanda pantheon with a mistranslation if a old scroll or something and five into her mother's history and build up her goddess connection via that route. I feel taking that side away from her you essentially remove a part of ororo that if explores correctly could result in something epic. Not that it couldn't be epic without it but imo it would be another of example of a writer feeling a woman may be going to far or have too much power but she's already there it's just in what people choose to do with it.
[QUOTE=Stormrocks;5380400]Can I just say this post makes me want to start a movement to get you put on as writer for a Storm solo! I have read your VIXEN story for DC and I loved it. I would be very interested in seeing your take on Storm. You seem to have a solid understanding of what it'd take to make a successful solo for Storm.
My view on the goddess thing is mixed. It's so underdeveloped now I could take it or leave it. My concerns is that it has the potential to overpower the character. She already doesn't have a sufficient rogues gallery to challenge her, (if I see one more story of her fighting Calisto!). Increasing her power levels further just means more writers will nerf her to be able to tell a story. Unless there are going to be villains of a similar caliber, I'd rather leave her as an omega mutant.[/QUOTE]
Just to add I would also delve into her father's side by making him a mutant who could see patterns of energy but he could not interact with them.
in a perfect world I would write the storm and black panther solo series at the same time and give them the same enemy to fight which would ultimately end with them not a couple but also not enemies. this would allow both books togo on, allow for lots of crossover fun in the future and allow everybody to grow.
but the world isn't perfect so....
@JWat
That would be like adding another log to a fire that's already burning out of control.
I don't understand the need or desire to make a character more "interesting?" by completely retconning their backstory. David Munroe was a normal human. N'Dare was a princess of an African tribe and also a normal human. Their daughter Ororo Munroe is a mutant who also comes from a long line of women who have wielded phenomenal powers.
Clean. Simple. And open to being explored in interesting ways and directions.
With regards to her God-hood...it really isn't that important or necessary. Because it's not the be-all and end-all of who, Storm as a character, IS.
I could understand why the people in her Kenyan village would think she was a Goddess and why she would believe that to be true, at the time, with them not knowing what a mutant is. Which is the meta point of the X-Men story. Xavier's (Claremont's) revelation speaks true to this day...she can do so much more for mutants and for humanity as a whole "just" as a mutant. Also, Claremont (through Storm) in XXM gives an explanation to the "God-hood" issue...every mutant does have the power to transcend beyond being human and being mutant, thereby becoming Gods. And Being an Omega-level she is already much closer to that transcendence, more so now than when she was Wind Rider of the Serengeti.
This whole thing is exciting. First, nice to see a writer from the Marvel office here. While I agree with most of the things you said about Storm, I strongly disagree with your opinion on her Godhood. I am all about leaving her magic potential, it will be just too much power put in one person, but her Godhood just started to develop, and I love it.
On the other side, I'm afraid I have to disagree with a few things that @butterflykyss said for your KiB BP.
I think you caught Black Panther love for Ororo quite well in your KiB book. I felt his pain and his attempt to put that to the side, only so he can save his nation. I completely understand that, and I've never envisioned that scene any differently.
However, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you about being a bad match. Suppose a good writer takes on the leading role to write them both without jeopardising their respective roots. I think it will do extremely well. Plus, it seems like Ororo is taking away her eyes from Krakoa and the X-Men for now, so she can explore the universe and develop further her Godhood (I secretly hope she will meet Oshtar and Gaia on her journey, and maybe even Thor).
The only reason why I wouldn't like you to be the writer of a Storm solo is that you put her Godhead in jeopardy which took quite some time to be developed, several decades if I may say so, myself. However, I do love your idea for her to explore her African roots in Kenya or somewhere else, I believe that she can learn a lot about herself and her Godhood, there. There are plenty of amazing African Pantheons that just strife to be explored, something Marvel hasn't done so for quite some time, putting aside Wakanda and their made-up pantheon. However, I cannot help myself but note that the African deities are much bloodier than those we are aware of, like Gaia, Asgardians, etc. But Africans, oh god, they are too bloody. They require sacrifices, real sacrifices, animals, sometimes even humans, but none the less it is an exciting thing to explore as a writer.
Never the less, I do think that you would do Ororo justice, but if you do get to write her, I seriously, hope you will not scratch her Godhead for which a lot of Storm fans have looked forward to, for quite some time now. One of the reasons why Coates runs is so anticipated. I really think that a terrific story can be weaved if written by a gifted author, who is aware of those Pantheons and loves Ororo for who she is and for who she was meant to be from the beginning.
[B]EDIT:[/B] And just to add to the above, there was a reason I mentioned the Bloody Pantheons of Africa. There is literally a lot of enemies on which, Storm, can take on. She is clearly a Goddess of Balance, more or less, so I can see her disagree greatly with some of the Gods in those Pantheons and become something like quite the rival to them. I've seen her fight Gods, but it is always nice when you see her fight those deities on her own, without some magical weapons (Stormcaster, anyone?). Other than that, I believe there is a lot of stories to weave their if the right author comes to mind.
I'm actually pretty excited to see how coates' run will wrap up especially with respect to her gift of godhead.
also a part of me believes that since redjack isn't a fan of bp/storm as a couple, her inclusion in kib was an editorial request which gives me hope that marvel still wants them to be a thing. time will tell obviously but I'm hopeful.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5381022]This whole thing is exciting. First, nice to see a writer from the Marvel office here. While I agree with most of the things you said about Storm, I strongly disagree with your opinion on her Godhood. I am all about leaving her magic potential, it will be just too much power put in one person, but her Godhood just started to develop, and I love it.
On the other side, I'm afraid I have to disagree with a few things that @butterflykyss.
I think you caught Black Panther love for Ororo quite well in your KiB book. I felt his pain and his attempt to put that to the side, only so he can save his nation. I completely understand that, and I've never envisioned that scene any differently.
However, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you about being a bad match. Suppose a good writer takes on the leading role to write them both without jeopardising their respective roots. I think it will do extremely well. Plus, it seems like Ororo is taking away her eyes from Krakoa and the X-Men for now, so she can explore the universe and develop further her Godhood (I secretly hope she will meet Oshtar and Gaia on her journey, and maybe even Thor).
The only reason why I wouldn't like you to be the writer of a Storm solo is that you put her Godhead in jeopardy which took quite some time to be developed, several decades if I may say so, myself. However, I do love your idea for her to explore her African roots in Kenya or somewhere else, I believe that she can learn a lot about herself and her Godhood, there. There are plenty of amazing African Pantheons that just strife to be explored, something Marvel hasn't done so for quite some time, putting aside Wakanda and their made-up pantheon. However, I cannot help myself but note that the African deities are much bloodier than those we are aware of, like Gaia, Asgardians, etc. But Africans, oh god, they are too bloody. They require sacrifices, real sacrifices, animals, sometimes even humans, but none the less it is an exciting thing to explore as a writer.
Never the less, I do think that you would do Ororo justice, but if you do get to write her, I seriously, hope you will not scratch her Godhead for which a lot of Storm fans have looked forward to quite some time now. One of the reasons why Coates runs is so anticipated. I really think that a terrific story can be weaved if written by a gifted author, who is aware of those Pantheons and loves Ororo for who she is and for who she was meant to be from the beginning.
[B]EDIT:[/B] And just to add to the above, there was a reason I mentioned the Bloody Pantheons of Africa. There is literally a lot of enemies on which, Storm, can take on. She is clearly a Goddess of Balance, more or less, so I can see her disagree greatly with some of the Gods in those Pantheons and become something like quite the rival to them. I've seen her fight Gods, but it is always nice when you see her fight those deities on her own, without some magical weapons (Stormcaster, anyone?). Other than that, I believe there is a lot of stories to weave their if the right author comes to mind.[/QUOTE]
there is a lot of nice bits in here i hope make it to 616 canon. the exploration of the African pantheon was definitely something I was hoping would explored in her solo. it definitely would be nice to see an African inspired alternative alin to asgard that obviously is African based. one travesty of xmen gold was seeing ainet praying to which a norse pantheon responded.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5381046]there is a lot of nice bits in here i hope make it to 616 canon. the exploration of the African pantheon was definitely something I was hoping would explored in her solo. it definitely would be nice to see an African inspired alternative alin to asgard that obviously is African based. one travesty of xmen gold was seeing ainet praying to which a norse pantheon responded.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, I believe that Storm will be natural in one of those, African Pantheons, there is plenty of white Pantheons, time for some black ones. African or South American one is a solid choice to explore and built.
people may not like how Coates is doing with Storm's Godhood but at least they should give an chance if another writer wants to use this concept, after all, as it has already been said, it is still underdeveloped and personally I think a great addition to Storm and erasing this concept would be a loss of opportunities.
I don't care who writes about Ororo's divinity as long as it provides a good story.
PS: ow an official Marvel writer here, I hope Guggenheim, Bendis, Aaron and etc ... don't secretly read what we wrote about what they did with Ororo :p
[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5381103]people may not like how Coates is doing with Storm's Godhood but at least they should give an chance if another writer wants to use this concept, after all, as it has already been said, it is still underdeveloped and personally I think a great addition to Storm and erasing this concept would be a loss of opportunities.
I don't care who writes about Ororo's divinity as long as it provides a good story.
PS: ow an official Marvel writer here, I hope Guggenheim, Bendis, Aaron and etc ... don't secretly read what we wrote about what they did with Ororo :p[/QUOTE]
I am quite certain that there is at least a few more official writers hiding in these forums.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5381151]I am quite certain that there is at least a few more official writers hiding in these forums.[/QUOTE]
I also think that would be some writers hidden here but I didn't think they would really manifest lol.
I recall there being more writers on cbr but fans, as we know, can be pretty passionate and it can be off-putting to those who wish to interface more with the fandom.
that said, as long as criticisms are not disrespectful and are not personal I do not see issue with feedback. yes it may be hard to read for creators but this is something that is the nature of the beast. as much as we may not like how writers approach our faves we must all remember these are real people behind the comics we read and I try to be mindful of that whenever I offer my take on a story.
oan: i wonder if this image had any bearing to do with Coates making it 616 CANON she is a god? In before the storm she is seen in her xman outfit being worshiped as a goddess. its an indication that this prophecy occurred after she left Kenya and accepted xaviers offer to become an xman.. I cant help but think how these two images mirror each other:
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5381075]Indeed, I believe that Storm will be natural in one of those, African Pantheons, there is plenty of white Pantheons, time for some black ones. African or South American one is a solid choice to explore and built.[/QUOTE]
absolutely!! plenty indeed! I will say I wish before Coates run ended he would have been able to elaborate more on the orishas but hoping that whomever follows him will look to expand upon the foundation he established.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5380992]@JWat
That would be like adding another log to a fire that's already burning out of control.
I don't understand the need or desire to make a character more "interesting?" by completely retconning their backstory. David Munroe was a normal human. N'Dare was a princess of an African tribe and also a normal human. Their daughter Ororo Munroe is a mutant who also comes from a long line of women who have wielded phenomenal powers.
Clean. Simple. And open to being explored in interesting ways and directions.
With regards to her God-hood...it really isn't that important or necessary. Because it's not the be-all and end-all of who, Storm as a character, IS.
I could understand why the people in her Kenyan village would think she was a Goddess and why she would believe that to be true, at the time, with them not knowing what a mutant is. Which is the meta point of the X-Men story. Xavier's (Claremont's) revelation speaks true to this day...she can do so much more for mutants and for humanity as a whole "just" as a mutant. Also, Claremont (through Storm) in XXM gives an explanation to the "God-hood" issue...every mutant does have the power to transcend beyond being human and being mutant, thereby becoming Gods. And Being an Omega-level she is already much closer to that transcendence, more so now than when she was Wind Rider of the Serengeti.[/QUOTE]
Everything is execution. We actually have no info on David Munroe other than he was a photojournalist but i can see an interesting background where his ability is what got him into photography and when he saw N Dare, his breath was take away. But i would never write or create a story to please anyone else so it's a good thing i'm not working on X-books etc. lol