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In Hickman's original Omega data page he talks about how while Forge is the best mutant at inventing and has no upper limit, he's not an Omega mutant because his inventing is matched or exceeded by other human inventors. So with Storm being an Omega weather manipulator, people are wondering if that implies she's better than Thor. The easiest answer is he doesn't count because he's not human or from Earth.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5315631]In Hickman's original Omega data page he talks about how while Forge is the best mutant at inventing and has no upper limit, he's not an Omega mutant because his inventing is matched or exceeded by other human inventors. So with Storm being an Omega weather manipulator, people are wondering if that implies she's better than Thor. The easiest answer is he doesn't count because he's not human or from Earth.[/QUOTE]
I also do not see Thor as particularly sophisticated in the use of his weather powers (I could be wrong, I don't care that much about Thor lol).
Storm on the other hand (occasionally) uses her power in very complicated and sophisticated ways. Maybe Thor is a powerhouse without any fine tuning, hence, Storm's skills as a weather manipulator are superior.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5315631]In Hickman's original Omega data page he talks about how while Forge is the best mutant at inventing and has no upper limit, he's not an Omega mutant because his inventing is matched or exceeded by other human inventors. So with Storm being an Omega weather manipulator, people are wondering if that implies she's better than Thor. The easiest answer is he doesn't count because he's not human or from Earth.[/QUOTE]
Also, his weather powers are enhanced by his hammer.
[QUOTE=Exodus;5315699]I also do not see Thor as particularly sophisticated in the use of his weather powers (I could be wrong, I don't care that much about Thor lol).
Storm on the other hand (occasionally) uses her power in very complicated and sophisticated ways. Maybe Thor is a powerhouse without any fine tuning, hence, Storm's skills as a weather manipulator are superior.[/QUOTE]
Correct. Thor is sledgehammer and Storm is a surgeon scalpel..
Thor creates weather effects through the magic in his blood, which is enhanced by a Mjölnir. Storm manipulates the weather psionically on a molecular and atomic level.
There are many ways to look at it(hence my original psionic/magic distinction angle).
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5315869]There are many ways to look at it(hence my original psionic/magic distinction angle).[/QUOTE]
So many ways to look at it that it's almost futile to compare the two in terms of power. It might be far easier to differentiate Storm from Thor.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5315999]So many ways to look at it that it's almost futile to compare the two in terms of power. It might be far easier to differentiate Storm from Thor.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I tend to look at Storm as like, an atmospheric chemist in a way, vs innate weather manipulation through divine magic. I think the hammer vs scalpel (though she can be a devastating hammer in her own right) is the fair comparison if one is needed. But at the core of the application of their abilities I think Storm’s connection to the earth combined with her mastery of the how the forces (and physics) behind weather operate (down to their atoms) is the biggest distinction between how their powers operate.
The preview for Marauders # 17 allayed my fears about Ororo and Callisto, but I wonder where Ororo will end up next
yah!!!!
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[COLOR="#000080"]Take into account too that Thor is physically stronger, can take much more damage, nearly invulnerable and is much more a brawler.
Thor and Storm have two different fighting styles and use their powers in accordance with how they fight.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5316077]I agree. I tend to look at Storm as like, an atmospheric chemist in a way, vs innate weather manipulation through divine magic. I think the hammer vs scalpel (though she can be a devastating hammer in her own right) is the fair comparison if one is needed. But at the core of the application of their abilities I think [B]Storm’s connection to the earth combined with her mastery of the how the forces (and physics) behind weather operate (down to their atoms) is the biggest distinction between how their powers operate.[/B][/QUOTE]
Exactatiously.
It's her inherent connection to the world(s) around her (and not just of Earth) that truly separates her abilities from that of Thor's who has none (at least to my knowledge) of her innate psionic connection.
They both control weather phenomena...and that's as far as their commonality extends.
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5316077]I agree. I tend to look at Storm as like, an atmospheric chemist in a way, vs innate weather manipulation through divine magic. I think the hammer vs scalpel (though she can be a devastating hammer in her own right) is the fair comparison if one is needed. But at the core of the application of their abilities I think Storm’s connection to the earth combined with her mastery of the how the forces (and physics) behind weather operate (down to their atoms) is the biggest distinction between how their powers operate.[/QUOTE]
agreed windrider with this assessment
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5316378]yah!!!!
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[COLOR="#000080"]Okay, I have a question, multiple choice. Should Storm:
A. Stay on the Quiet Council.
B. Join the Summers/Grey consortium, i.e. the X-Men.
C. Revive her X-Treme X-Men team.
[B]D. Go off on her own and do her own thing.[/B]
She chose D!!!!!!!! [/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5315013][COLOR="#000080"]Again, omega is a classification that only applies to mutants in this instance. All power sources are not the same and we don't know the true extant of Thor's power let alone Storm's. And like Devaishwarya said, Thor has thousands of years of experience and his power level has been upgraded even more in his latest solo.
Believe me, I'm not downplaying Storm's abilities but I don't know why the need to quantify her power based on what Thor can do.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
again there is not a need to do this BUT I think with thor around and as well known as he is for his weather manipulating abilities it makes it difficult to believe that Storm's limit cannot be surpassed by another character such as Thor. I guess if you take the conditions yoga mentioned then it would make sense but these things were not explicitly stated on the data page for the omega classification.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5316390][COLOR="#000080"]Okay, I have a question, multiple choice. Should Storm:
A. Stay on the Quiet Council.
B. Join the Summers/Grey consortium, i.e. the X-Men.
C. Revive her X-Treme X-Men team.
[B]D. Go off on her own and do her own thing.[/B]
She chose D!!!!!!!! [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
well we don't know exactly what this means yet. she is still on the quiet council as of now. im hoping it all resolves in her choosing d.
If they explored Storm's magical powers more... The databook states Wakandan gods have unlimited strength. So Hadari is supposed to be very strong physical wise but we lack feats.
[QUOTE=KLY360;5316429]If they explored Storm's magical powers more... The databook states Wakandan gods have unlimited strength. So Hadari is supposed to be very strong physical wise but we lack feats.[/QUOTE]
yes this is 100% correct. we do not know what all she could do if she fully embraced her gift of godhead.
Ugh the Thor and Storm power comparison again? Lord Jesus.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5316390][COLOR="#000080"]Okay, I have a question, multiple choice. Should Storm:
A. Stay on the Quiet Council.
B. Join the Summers/Grey consortium, i.e. the X-Men.
C. Revive her X-Treme X-Men team.
[B]D. Go off on her own and do her own thing.[/B]
She chose D!!!!!!!! [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Seems more likely B.
She is going off into space with them so she could conceivably decide to ultimately join their new X-Men team (sounds exactly like what she would do) which would then probably lead to the major developments involving the mysterium tetrahedron.
ugh I hope she doesn't go to being a lackey for kitty to being a summers/Grey lackey. yuck!
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5316537]ugh I hope she doesn't go to being a lackey for kitty to being a summers/Grey lackey. yuck![/QUOTE]
But she was never a "lackey" for Kate just a team member lol I like the fact that storm is leaving the Marauders since the entire reason she joined up was to keep an eye on Kate and make sure she was safe and now that they've effectively dealt with Sebastian Shaw there's really nothing personally keeping her there
I think whatever Storms trajectory will be in the next few months it will it focus on a more sci fi approach rather than a mystic one for her. Hence the space adventure, whatever it was that SWORD retrieved, and the AI that was created in GS.
With her being in space and seeing Jean and Scott in their X-Factor garb I somewhat wish that Storm would have switched out her black costume for the white version.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5316524]Seems more likely B.
She is going off into space with them so she could conceivably decide to ultimately join their new X-Men team (sounds exactly like what she would do) which would then probably lead to the major developments involving the mysterium tetrahedron.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Terrible decision. She might as well join SWORD.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5316615][COLOR="#000080"]Terrible decision. She might as well join SWORD.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
If Storm Joins SWORD I’d lose my mind.
Storm might just be a Mentor to the CoTA and will have her own little mini or solo on the side.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5316615][COLOR="#000080"]Terrible decision. [B]She might as well join SWORD.[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
That would be so beyond AWESOME!!! I would die and Krakoa and the Five would not be able to resurrect me.
[QUOTE=loke13;5316552]But she was never a "lackey" for Kate just a team member lol I like the fact that storm is leaving the Marauders since the entire reason she joined up was to keep an eye on Kate and make sure she was safe and now that they've effectively dealt with Sebastian Shaw there's really nothing personally keeping her there[/QUOTE]
hmmm by lackey i mean she reported to kitty, which she did technically seeing kitty is leader of the marauders. whatever the reasons imho there should never be a scenario where ororo is on a team led by kitty or any younger mutant.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5316694]hmmm by lackey i mean she reported to kitty, which she did technically seeing kitty is leader of the marauders. whatever the reasons imho there should never be a scenario where ororo is on a team led by kitty or any younger mutant.[/QUOTE]
Why tho? Kate is a senior member of the X-Men at this point and has been for over a decade with several leadership roles under her belt. I mean I could see if you had a team of senior X-Men being led by Eye Boy or something but Kate is more than qualified delete a team of senior X-Men especially when that team is pretty much comprised of some of her closest friends.
That being said hopefully this leads to storm getting her own book / her being the leader of a team book of a team book because as much as I enjoyed Marauders the focus/Spotlight pretty much goes like this
1. Kate
2. Emma
3. ???
4. Storm
5. Bishop
6. ???
7. Iceman
[QUOTE=loke13;5316770]Why tho? Kate is a senior member of the X-Men at this point and has been for over a decade with several leadership roles under her belt. I mean I could see if you had a team of senior X-Men being led by Eye Boy or something but Kate is more than qualified delete a team of senior X-Men especially when that team is pretty much comprised of some of her closest friends.
That being said hopefully this leads to storm getting her own book / her being the leader of a team book of a team book because as much as I enjoyed Marauders the focus/Spotlight pretty much goes like this
1. Kate
2. Emma
3. ???
4. Storm
5. Bishop
6. ???
7. Iceman[/QUOTE]
It is a little suspicious some don't have problems with ororo taking orders in other franchises or being supporting there but taking orders from anyone in her own family books is too much. lol
[QUOTE=loke13;5316770]Why tho? Kate is a senior member of the X-Men at this point and has been for over a decade with several leadership roles under her belt. I mean I could see if you had a team of senior X-Men being led by Eye Boy or something but Kate is more than qualified delete a team of senior X-Men especially when that team is pretty much comprised of some of her closest friends.
That being said hopefully this leads to storm getting her own book / her being the leader of a team book of a team book because as much as I enjoyed Marauders the focus/Spotlight pretty much goes like this
1. Kate
2. Emma
3. ???
4. Storm
5. Bishop
6. ???
7. Iceman[/QUOTE]
Yeah your pretty much correct here.
Not to mention Storm has been extremely present in almost every issue of Marauders. That’s way more than I can say for Bobby and Pyro.
[QUOTE=loke13;5316770]Why tho? Kate is a senior member of the X-Men at this point and has been for over a decade with several leadership roles under her belt. I mean I could see if you had a team of senior X-Men being led by Eye Boy or something but Kate is more than qualified delete a team of senior X-Men especially when that team is pretty much comprised of some of her closest friends.
That being said hopefully this leads to storm getting her own book / her being the leader of a team book of a team book because as much as I enjoyed Marauders the focus/Spotlight pretty much goes like this
1. Kate
2. Emma
3. ???
4. Storm
5. Bishop
6. ???
7. Iceman[/QUOTE]
that would be like Barbara Streisand taking vocal lessons from Beyonce. Yes Beyonce is a veteran especially singing wise, her giving lessons to a vocal powerhouse like Barbara wouldn't make much sense. Same here. I dont have a military background but in terms of seniority those with longer time on will not find themselves in scenarios taking orders from those with less time. Storm has vastly more time than Kitty.
I'm definitely looking ahead to what's upcoming with Storm. From the preview, it definitely feels like she's off to do her own thing while maintaining a high level of importance to the mutant whole and I'm definitely a fan of it should it turn out that way. I also like the way they are approaching a rehashed skirmish between Callisto and Storm. I find it interesting that Storm is down with the Crucible. I wonder if that will be explored more in the book. I don't necessarily think she would be opposed, just interested in her POV.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5316831]that would be like Barbara Streisand taking vocal lessons from Beyonce. Yes Beyonce is a veteran especially singing wise, her giving lessons to a vocal powerhouse like Barbara wouldn't make much sense. Same here. I dont have a military background but in terms of seniority those with longer time on will not find themselves in scenarios taking orders from those with less time. Storm has vastly more time than Kitty.[/QUOTE]
Has Cyclops ever been secondary to anyone on a team? When he lost leadership to Storm he pretty much left and returned with X Factor. After that, he was then leader of the blue team. I don't think he has ever been subordinate to anyone in a field position. Correct me if I'm wrong. So if it's not okay for him, why is it okay for Storm, who is the only other XMan that has been in leadership long enough to rival Cyclops' level? I quoted butterflykyss but this is directed at the original post. Sorry lol.
I have spoken often in the past how a lot of the X-architects over the years seems obsessed with Storm being incompetent and lacking in confidence, so her leadership is always constantly questioned or she steps down to be subordinate. They have had Scott have his leadership questioned but they have not and will NEVER let him be subordinate under any Xman.
Storm, as a leader, unfortunately just does not have that kind of respect or capital like Cap and Cyke from the writers in charge, and the difference in treatment is glaring. Hell, this is Storm's first real significant push in the X titles in 20 years.
[QUOTE=Saturius;5316917]I have spoken often in the past how a lot of the X-architects over the years seems obsessed with Storm being incompetent and lacking in confidence, so her leadership is always constantly questioned or she steps down to be subordinate. They have had Scott have his leadership questioned but they have not and will NEVER let him be subordinate under any Xman.
Storm, as a leader, unfortunately just does not have that kind of respect or capital like Cap and Cyke from the writers in charge, and the difference in treatment is glaring. Hell, this is Storm's first real significant push in the X titles in 20 years.[/QUOTE]
1000% agree. There has been a lot of shortchanging of Storm's significance, power, and influence by many X Writers simply because having a powerful black female is not high on their to do list. I remember Chris Claremont talking about how Jean had to defeat that fire herald of Galactus because the powers that be did not want to see Jean (a female) defeat Thor or Silver Surfer so Claremont put the herald in to suggest that Jean was as powerful if not more powerful than them. If Jean had these issues, it's clear to me the agenda against Storm over the years.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5316897]Has Cyclops ever been secondary to anyone on a team? When he lost leadership to Storm he pretty much left and returned with X Factor. After that, he was then leader of the blue team. I don't think he has ever been subordinate to anyone in a field position. Correct me if I'm wrong. So if it's not okay for him, why is it okay for Storm, who is the only other XMan that has been in leadership long enough to rival Cyclops' level? I quoted butterflykyss but this is directed at the original post. Sorry lol.[/QUOTE]
hell no. lol. even in this era under Hickman where Xavier, magneto, and Apocalypse have been running things he hasn't been shown on a team where he is led by others. heck, even emma as a member of the marauders isn't serving in the same manner as ororo as she is financially backing the group.
and I have my thoughts as to why its ok but I wish some storm fans wouldn't be ok with such treatment of her when it doesn't apply to other senior members of the xmen.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5316694]hmmm by lackey i mean she reported to kitty, which she did technically seeing kitty is leader of the marauders. whatever the reasons imho there should never be a scenario where ororo is on a team led by kitty or any younger mutant.[/QUOTE]
100% Truth.
My interest in Marauders is about to drop significantly.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5317003]100% Truth.
My interest in Marauders is about to drop significantly.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I lost interests months ago but for different reasons.[/COLOR]
For all the issues/story arcs that have occurred from #1 to #16 and for that she personally led and directed...Kate was leader in name only.
It could be argued that Emma is the true leader of marauders with Kate as the figurehead.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5316831]that would be like Barbara Streisand taking vocal lessons from Beyonce. Yes Beyonce is a veteran especially singing wise, her giving lessons to a vocal powerhouse like Barbara wouldn't make much sense. Same here. I dont have a military background but in terms of seniority those with longer time on will not find themselves in scenarios taking orders from those with less time. Storm has vastly more time than Kitty.[/QUOTE]
But that's not the point though. Kate has more than earned her accolades at this point. Hell she was even leader of the X-Men for awhile just like Storm and Cyclops.
Do you honestly believe Storm would be so petty as to be like "Sorry Boo Boo Kitty even though you've been a member of the X-Men for years, gone on a 1000+ adventures, have combat and leadership experience comparable to my own AND was leader of the X-men for a time, you haven't quite hit your age requirement yet so I think I'm going to take over."
I mean I get you want Storm to be in the spotlight more but as far as canon goes but there's nothing wrong with Storm differing to Kate, she's more than earned Storm's respect at this point.