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Love the detail
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397410]I think the resurrection protocols the individual comes back as their most optimal version.[/QUOTE]
Lord, think about what would happen if Storm and the other Omega mutants went through the process. Shoot, Kid Omega's must be god level by now. LOL
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5397442]Love the detail
Lord, think about what would happen if Storm and the other Omega mutants went through the process. Shoot, Kid Omega's must be god level by now. LOL[/QUOTE]
by the goddess the children already having a meltdown about something we knew back in 2017 we sure don't need anything like that to happen lol. though it does has me curious how she would be depicted. though cyclops was resurrected and he still needed his visors so maybe some of them are already at their most optimal?
BP 23 was so bad it's not even worth taking the bait.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5397371]They don't even have to retcon it...they can just ignore it as if it never happened. Keeping in mind everything that's going on in X-Men and Avengers currently that have nothing to do with BP's "galactic slave wars" story.
And, as it is now...with the relationship between Storm and T'Challa, the X-writers have already moved on beyond what's in today's BP...it's literally [I]"so last year".[/I]
If you were to ask HiX-Man today: "Is Storm still a Wakandan Orisha?" you'd most likely get a blank stare and "crickets".[/QUOTE]
I do disagree with that, actually Coates BP run is cementing what is already known to the world. In the current event that is going on, KIB, Storm is called Goddess by everyone. This means that her Godhood status is most likely cemented, as well. Even the X-Men books confirmed it as well.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5397407]So after reading the issue, the first thing I thought about, "What happens if Storm goes through the rebirth system?"[/QUOTE]
That is a really good question, but I have another question, can Storm really die now? I mean like putting aside the Krakoa Ressurection protocols, how long before they make her body immortal and ascend her further in godhood?
[QUOTE=jwatson;5397465]BP 23 was so bad it's not even worth taking the bait.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it was indeed bad. I do like the progress that Storm is getting but the rest of the run makes no sense to me so far. What those black heroes were doing there out of sudden? And then when did Bast return to earth. I feel like there is a huge time skip like several hours if not days between each scene. It is very confusing. I feel like Coates is actually struggling with the story. It almost feels like he knows what he wants to write at the end, but he is not sure how to get to there or something, his writing was quite chaotic in this issue.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5397466]I do disagree with that, actually Coates BP run is cementing what is already known to the world. In the current event that is going on, KIB, Storm is called Goddess by everyone. This means that her Godhood status is most likely cemented, as well. Even the X-Men books confirmed it as well.
That is a really good question, but I have another question, can Storm really die now? I mean like putting aside the Krakoa Ressurection protocols, how long before they make her body immortal and ascend her further in godhood?[/QUOTE]
the goddess thing is here to stay and for those who say otherwise imma let storm have the floor:
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other than that im eating real good over the news we got about storm today from bp to marvel voices. the goddess is canonized.
I win!
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397460]by the goddess the children already having a meltdown about something we knew back in 2017 we sure don't need anything like that to happen lol. though it does has me curious how she would be depicted. though cyclops was resurrected and he still needed his visors so maybe some of them are already at their most optimal?[/QUOTE]
You know we always assumed that Cyke's inability to control his optic blast was caused by his head injury but we never considered that his mutant power just work that way...head injury or not.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5397495]You know we always assumed that Cyke's inability to control his optic blast was caused by his head injury but we never considered that his mutant power just work that way...head injury or not.[/QUOTE]
thats a good point. even at his most optimal he simply may not be able to control it.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397500]thats a good point. even at his most optimal he simply may not be able to control it.[/QUOTE]
Right, tons of mutants can't turn their powers off.
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Yeah, it was indeed bad. I do like the progress that Storm is getting but the rest of the run makes no sense to me so far. What those black heroes were doing there out of sudden? And then when did Bast return to earth. I feel like there is a huge time skip like several hours if not days between each scene. It is very confusing. I feel like Coates is actually struggling with the story. It almost feels like he knows what he wants to write at the end, but he is not sure how to get to there or something, his writing was quite chaotic in this issue.[/QUOTE]
I always find if curious when there is issue with a team of all black heroes being assembled to fight when the same concern is never expressed when a team of all white heroes come together. I think Coates is trying to change that exact narrative. If its ok for the white characters, why can't the black ones do the same without it being questioned?
Bast is a goddess, as well as the Orisha. Time doesn't exist for the in the manner it would for humans. That said, she teleported to their location it wasn't a time skip.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5397507]Right, tons of mutants can't turn their powers off.[/QUOTE]
yes exactly. aren't these like beta level mutants or something? I forget which classification they fall under.
It would be kind of funny if it turned out Scott's issue is lazy lid. Because of the ruby quartz and always closing his eyes, his eyes never fully developed their natural genetic properties to control his powers.
basically he put on corrective lenses way too early and never took them off.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397511]I always find if curious when there is issue with a team of all black heroes being assembled to fight when the same concern is never expressed when a team of all white heroes come together. I think Coates is trying to change that exact narrative. If its ok for the white characters, why can't the black ones do the same without it being questioned?
Bast is a goddess, as well as the Orisha. Time doesn't exist for the in the manner it would for humans. That said, she teleported to their location it wasn't a time skip.[/QUOTE]
But when those teams get together there is a story about them coming together. People just showed up. Had the story did one shots with each hero of Tchalla forming a relationship with them or at least a flashback to previous interactions it'd feel more authentic. Within the story, only Manifold, Storm, Luke, Misty, and WreckingBall make sense to be there.
It's not like inviting people to a wedding, there's a risk of them dying. At least give some context.
who would have ever thought I would ever read an issues where we get such powerhouse as Storm, Dr. Voodoo, Blue Marvel, and the true Captain Marvel in one book?!?! Next month can't get here fast enough!! Im soooooo freaking excited!!!
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[QUOTE=Cville;5397541]But when those teams get together there is a story about them coming together. People just showed up. Had the story did one shots with each hero of Tchalla forming a relationship with them or at least a flashback to previous interactions it'd feel more authentic. Within the story, only Manifold, Storm, Luke, Misty, and WreckingBall make sense to be there.
It's not like inviting people to a wedding, there's a risk of them dying. At least give some context.[/QUOTE]
well the luxury of a medium that is oversaturated with white characters is that you will get that. you only get so many pages in a comic and we don't need panels wasted on Coates showing Coates reaching out to each of these heroes. off-panel showings wasn't invented by Coates so its safe to assume all of them coming together occurred off-panel.
and the context has been building over the past view issues. wakanda is about to be attacked by an intergalactic army that has conquered countless nations. what more context is needed?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397552]well the luxury of a medium that is oversaturated with white characters is that you will get that. you only get so many pages in a comic and we don't need panels wasted on Coates showing Coates reaching out to each of these heroes. off-panel showings wasn't invented by Coates so its safe to assume all of them coming together occurred off-panel.
and the context has been building over the past view issues. wakanda is about to be attacked by an intergalactic army that has conquered countless nations. what more context is needed?[/QUOTE]
Why Tchalla called them? How he convinced them to help. Hes not on friendly terms with most of them. He's at best associates. And this story could be cut in half and add a mini story with him interacting with one or two of them in each issue.
At minimum, put authors' notes in those blocks telling people what books to read.
[QUOTE=Cville;5397564]Why Tchalla called them? How he convinced them to help. Hes not on friendly terms with most of them. He's at best associates. And this story could be cut in half and add a mini story with him interacting with one or two of them in each issue.
At minimum, put authors' notes in those blocks telling people what books to read.[/QUOTE]
As a BP fan you should know he is always several steps ahead of his opponents. He called them because he knew the threat Njadaka with the power of Bast as well as his army could present the Wakandan people.
What other books are referencing this battle taking place in BP? It was barely released lol.
also did you have any issue with a purple Panther made to fight phoenix randomly popping without any context? or tchalla being able to not be hit by mjolnor with only some random context? just a thought.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397579]As a BP fan you should know he is always several steps ahead of his opponents. He called them because he knew the threat Njadaka with the power of Bast as well as his army could present the Wakandan people.
What other books are referencing this battle taking place in BP? It was barely released lol.[/QUOTE]
None, but hes met most of these heroes in other books. BM and Monica must recently would be the Ultimates. Riri, at the end of her solo by Eve Ewing. Miles, maybe CWII. But unless a person read all of those, this seems like a hollow cash grab for BHM.
Like Michael Fifer in Scream 2. Lol
As hollow as it was, he could just have easily put this image in.
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[QUOTE=Cville;5397589]None, but hes met most of these heroes in other books. BM and Monica must recently would be the Ultimates. Riri, at the end of her solo by Eve Ewing. Miles, maybe CWII. But unless a person read all of those, this seems like a hollow cash grab for BHM.
Like Michael Fifer in Scream 2. Lol[/QUOTE]
and I dont mind this as a reader. over the years and years of storytelling about superheroes across different companies not just marvel seeing an all black team assemble for any cause is a rare exception not the rule. I don't have any issue with it personally.
oh goddess lol
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397594]and I dont mind this as a reader. over the years and years of storytelling about superheroes across different companies not just marvel seeing an all black team assemble for any cause is a rare exception not the rule. I don't have any issue with it personally.
oh goddess lol[/QUOTE]
As a reader I have a problem with it. It goes to the idea that all you have to do is put black people in something and the money will roll in regardless of its quality.
They could make more money by just selling a poster like this with a good story for 12-15 dollars.
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[QUOTE=Cville;5397589]None, but hes met most of these heroes in other books. BM and Monica must recently would be the Ultimates. Riri, at the end of her solo by Eve Ewing. Miles, maybe CWII. But unless a person read all of those, this seems like a hollow cash grab for BHM.
Like Michael Fifer in Scream 2. Lol
As hollow as it was, he could just have easily put this image in.
[Img]https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/b816e54b-090b-4be7-b510-f6a1c9240dfd[/img][/QUOTE]
even with an image as such people still would have found something to gripe about. I mean seriously, a couple of users complained and made a big huff puff that spectrum and blue marvel were not in the book even after I posted the panel with their inclusion in the review thread:
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misery loves company i guess but thank the goddess for once i wasnt invited to that party:
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397619]even with an image as such people still would have found something to gripe about. I mean seriously, a couple of users complained and made a big huff puff that spectrum and blue marvel were not in the book even after I posted the panel with their inclusion in the review thread:
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvBFe4-XMAIe-P9?format=jpg&name=medium[/img]
misery loves company i guess but thank the goddess for once i wasnt invited to that party:
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The only complaint would have been where was this in the first story. Loo
[QUOTE=Cville;5397609]As a reader I have a problem with it. It goes to the idea that all you have to do is put black people in something and the money will roll in regardless of its quality.
They could make more money by just selling a poster like this with a good story for 12-15 dollars.
[Img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/bd/1e/d2bd1ea53f1acd865ce786322da1dabc.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
if its good for the goose its good for the gander. I never ever Ever see anybody complain about a story filled with white characters but its the end of the world when black characters get together. that's unfortunate that is an issue but for bhm im here for it!!!
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IŽd love for Storm to interact more with Spectrum aka Monica Rambeau.
[QUOTE=Cville;5397624]The only complaint would have been where was this in the first story. Loo[/QUOTE]
he figured some of his fans would say "but it's a black panther book" and decided to save it for the finale lolol.
[QUOTE=WallStreeter;5397635]IŽd love for Storm to interact more with Spectrum aka Monica Rambeau.[/QUOTE]
I would throw all my money at a Misty, Ororo, Monica book
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397643]he figured some of his fans would say "but it's a black panther book" and decided to save it for the finale lolol.[/QUOTE]
This is Wakandan military. Its supposed to be in the book. Lol
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397632]if its good for the goose its good for the gander. I never ever Ever see anybody complain about a story filled with white characters but its the end of the world when black characters get together. that's unfortunate that is an issue but for bhm im here for it!!!
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Name the book where the fight is getting started and random heroes just show up without any previous interactions within the book. Most times, at the end of a story or cartoon, all the people the main character interacted with throughout the story show up for the big fight. But there were episodes of them interacting before this happens.
What's the pic referring to. They were already married at this point.
Dang and Coates messed up writing got me so messed up and i confused i'm not giving credit where it was due.
As butterfly said i loved the Storm sensing the new mutant through the Earth, it had been a long time since we saw that and it was very divine in my opinion the sense of her knowing so much about the girl through her use of mutant power. I also thought it was cool so many elemental mutants seem to arise from Storm's area with her having sort of a elemental connection to each. I also thought the Emma/Storm scene was really cute.
[QUOTE=Cville;5397609]As a reader I have a problem with it. It goes to the idea that all you have to do is put black people in something and the money will roll in regardless of its quality.
They could make more money by just selling a poster like this with a good story for 12-15 dollars.
[Img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/bd/1e/d2bd1ea53f1acd865ce786322da1dabc.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Would be one hell of a team.
[QUOTE=Cville;5397658]Name the book where the fight is getting started and random heroes just show up without any previous interactions within the book. Most times, at the end of a story or cartoon, all the people the main character interacted with throughout the story show up for the big fight. But there were episodes of them interacting before this happens.
What's the pic referring to. They were already married at this point.[/QUOTE]
you can look at the history of xmen stories especially early on where the xmen/avengers fought together. these characters didn't always have connections and thing that silently was shared between them, even though there may have been a shared threat, was that they were white. I shouldn't have to point to a specific story as that is the reason marvel has tried to push for more diversity in its books is that it was lacking. the luxury that these white characters have is they had a head start that occurred going back to the golden age of comics. it becomes difficult though for writers to attempt what coates has done because any time its done it is criticized, which as I said was never done with the white characters.
the storm pic is to represent for bhm and BP look.
[QUOTE=Cville;5397652]This is Wakandan military. Its supposed to be in the book. Lol[/QUOTE]
they would complain the military is outshining tchalla and we can't have that happen lol
[QUOTE=WallStreeter;5397635]IŽd love for Storm to interact more with Spectrum aka Monica Rambeau.[/QUOTE]
I'm with you on that.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5397668]Dang and Coates messed up writing got me so messed up and i confused i'm not giving credit where it was due.
As butterfly said i loved the Storm sensing the new mutant through the Earth, it had been a long time since we saw that and it was very divine in my opinion the sense of her knowing so much about the girl through her use of mutant power. I also thought it was cool so many elemental mutants seem to arise from Storm's area with her having sort of a elemental connection to each. I also thought the Emma/Storm scene was really cute.[/QUOTE]
that was very nice with her connection to the planet being able to sense another mutant. who needs telepathy when you got that ok lolol.
this was a spectacular day to be a storm fan we have so much to be happy for and I have zero complaints. and it ALL came through the offices of Black Panther.
xoffices: in the words of miss Jackson what have you done for me lately?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397697]that was very nice with her connection to the planet being able to sense another mutant. who needs telepathy when you got that ok lolol.
this was a spectacular day to be a storm fan we have so much to be happy for and I have zero complaints. and it ALL came through the offices of Black Panther.
xoffices: in the words of miss Jackson what have you done for me lately?[/QUOTE]
Ma Ah Raah duheers thiiirteen. oooooh ooooh oooh yeeeah!
[QUOTE=jwatson;5397705]Ma Ah Raah duheers thiiirteen. oooooh ooooh oooh yeeeah![/QUOTE]
lmfao lolololol
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397697]that was very nice with her connection to the planet being able to sense another mutant. who needs telepathy when you got that ok lolol.
this was a spectacular day to be a storm fan we have so much to be happy for and I have zero complaints. and it ALL came through the offices of Black Panther.
xoffices: in the words of miss Jackson what have you done for me lately?[/QUOTE]
I feel like Storm might be the strongest elemental superhero in marvel. Her connection to earth denotes a certain level of conciousness that it is almost if not divine.
I mean even Jean herself madam grey queen of psychics said that storms connection to the world is on a level even she cannot fathom and she hosted the god Damm Phoenix. I think that may be what Hickman is going to expand on with the artifact she was holding in the reign of x poster one of its names was the elemental cosmic heart. But as time has shown this could all be a dud and we could be very disappointed with the outcome I just hope the situation is decent and her power and character is exposed upon. I liked how synch leveled up that was wonderful and made him just as powerful if not so than rouge an extremely powerful alpha.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397686]they would complain the military is outshining tchalla and we can't have that happen lol[/QUOTE]
Also on this issue though I understand where BP fans are coming from, it is not genuine that he does everything all the time because he is not exactly powerful not on his own, he is an excellent fighter and an insane genius but there are beings that outclasses him sooo much it's not even funny, his ex wife is literally a goddess and an omega level mutant at the same time. She appearing in a book with and he having to dish out the heaviest blow doesn't make sense especially for his character because he is very smart. Why think around it if Ororo can just wipe an Armada with a thought. In this I get them and their complaint but truthfully black panther is a strategist as much as he is a fighter it's not everything he would involve himself in directly.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5397511][B]I always find if curious when there is issue with a team of all black heroes being assembled to fight when the same concern is never expressed when a team of all white heroes come together. I think Coates is trying to change that exact narrative. If its ok for the white characters, why can't the black ones do the same without it being questioned?[/B]
Bast is a goddess, as well as the Orisha. Time doesn't exist for the in the manner it would for humans. That said, she teleported to their location it wasn't a time skip.
yes exactly. aren't these like beta level mutants or something? I forget which classification they fall under.[/QUOTE]
I am truly offended by this comment. You are generalism me with a group which I do not like or fit in. You think that I have problems with all the black heroes team when this is not true at all. All I needed was a few pages showcasing how he contacted them and convince them to come. Miles would be completely out of character (OOC), if he suddenly ditches his school or his city only because someone else calls him for example. The same goes and for other characters. They suddenly appear in Wakanda for intergalactic threat, I do get that, and I do agree that a bigger team is needed and if it is all black team even better, they get to shine but for real, how did BP convince them to come, what did he say? Did he interact with them over the intercom or did he sent some of his militia to contact them directly. That is the piece that is missing and for me, that is a very important missed opportunity to enhance on BP's connections outside of Wakanda and character evolution.
I am no American, so please don't put me under the racists' branch just because I am missing an important panel in the comics. I would have reacted exactly the same way if the team was all white, hot and nude males. When you have sloppy writing or you've missed an important panel or few, I will call for it.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5398291]I feel like Storm might be the strongest elemental superhero in marvel. Her connection to earth denotes a certain level of conciousness that it is almost if not divine.
I mean even Jean herself madam grey queen of psychics said that storms connection to the world is on a level even she cannot fathom and she hosted the god Damm Phoenix. I think that may be what Hickman is going to expand on with the artifact she was holding in the reign of x poster one of its names was the elemental cosmic heart. But as time has shown this could all be a dud and we could be very disappointed with the outcome I just hope the situation is decent and her power and character is exposed upon. I liked how synch leveled up that was wonderful and made him just as powerful if not so than rouge an extremely powerful alpha.
[B]Also on this issue though I understand where BP fans are coming from, it is not genuine that he does everything all the time because he is not exactly powerful not on his own, he is an excellent fighter and an insane genius but there are beings that outclasses him sooo much it's not even funny, his ex wife is literally a goddess and an omega level mutant at the same time. She appearing in a book with and he having to dish out the heaviest blow doesn't make sense especially for his character because he is very smart. Why think around it if Ororo can just wipe an Armada with a thought. In this I get them and their complaint but truthfully black panther is a strategist as much as he is a fighter it's not everything he would involve himself in directly.[/B][/QUOTE]
True that and I've seen a lot of BP referring to this "but he is a genius" he can take his wife down. And I am like, What the actual F? Wasn't it bad enough have satellites specifically created to counter his wife powers in the XvA, which was total bullshit and T'Challa, in my personal opinion, would have never done that unless Storm was completely out of control or not herself and was destroying Wakanda, but no... he did it because he needed an advantage over his wife over some pitty between their two teams. Don't get me wrong, I am not flattering Storm either, they both were as wrong as they can be so completely OOC.
Regardless, I do believe T'Challa is both, overlooked (on a few occasions and missed opportunities to evolve his character and personality) and given plenty of feats (with which most BP fans are not happy). For example, how can you not be happy with beating all the ancestral BP reincarnations and restoring all enslaved men and women's memories? That is a pretty huge feat. Or how about finding Prime Wakanda while his memory was still quite messed up. Or regaining his memories of Ororo and him, and his love about her... come on he had some pretty damn good feats, but I do agree that there could have been a lot more personality evolution, built and others, especially with the last issue. Instead of having him contact those heroes via intercom and sparring what? 2-3 pannels to show his request for their help and convincing them to help him, is not a missed opportunity? Right.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5398492]I am truly offended by this comment. You are generalism me with a group which I do not like or fit in. You think that I have problems with all the black heroes team when this is not true at all. All I needed was a few pages showcasing how he contacted them and convince them to come. Miles would be completely out of character (OOC), if he suddenly ditches his school or his city only because someone else calls him for example. The same goes and for other characters. They suddenly appear in Wakanda for intergalactic threat, I do get that, and I do agree that a bigger team is needed and if it is all black team even better, they get to shine but for real, how did BP convince them to come, what did he say? Did he interact with them over the intercom or did he sent some of his militia to contact them directly. That is the piece that is missing and for me, that is a very important missed opportunity to enhance on BP's connections outside of Wakanda and character evolution.
I am no American, so please don't put me under the racists' branch just because I am missing an important panel in the comics. I would have reacted exactly the same way if the team was all white, hot and nude males. When you have sloppy writing or you've missed an important panel or few, I will call for it.
True that and I've seen a lot of BP referring to this "but he is a genius" he can take his wife down. And I am like, What the actual F? Wasn't it bad enough have satellites specifically created to counter his wife powers in the XvA, which was total bullshit and T'Challa, in my personal opinion, would have never done that unless Storm was completely out of control or not herself and was destroying Wakanda, but no... he did it because he needed an advantage over his wife over some pitty between their two teams. Don't get me wrong, I am not flattering Storm either, they both were as wrong as they can be so completely OOC.
Regardless, I do believe T'Challa is both, overlooked (on a few occasions and missed opportunities to evolve his character and personality) and given plenty of feats (with which most BP fans are not happy). For example, how can you not be happy with beating all the ancestral BP reincarnations and restoring all enslaved men and women's memories? That is a pretty huge feat. Or how about finding Prime Wakanda while his memory was still quite messed up. Or regaining his memories of Ororo and him, and his love about her... come on he had some pretty damn good feats, but I do agree that there could have been a lot more personality evolution, built and others, especially with the last issue. Instead of having him contact those heroes via intercom and sparring what? 2-3 pannels to show his request for their help and convincing them to help him, is not a missed opportunity? Right.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Thanks for explaining the problem a lot of people have with the Black Super-Hero League. This was just an ass pull by Coates. There was no build up to these heroes just showing up in Wakanda. The problem isn't that they were there. The problem is that it was a very weak attempt at showing Black unity because Coates didn't put in the work to show why these heroes came together. They were just there. And then to just have Black heroes only makes it look like white heroes either weren't contacted or didn't bother to return T'Challa's call.
I'm all for Black heroes helping other Black heroes and having an all Black moment but I also want the damn story to make sense when they do it.[/COLOR]
I don't know if anyone has posted, but ...
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5398291]I feel like Storm might be the strongest elemental superhero in marvel. Her connection to earth denotes a certain level of conciousness that it is almost if not divine.
I mean even Jean herself madam grey queen of psychics said that storms connection to the world is on a level even she cannot fathom and she hosted the god Damm Phoenix. I think that may be what Hickman is going to expand on with the artifact she was holding in the reign of x poster one of its names was the elemental cosmic heart. But as time has shown this could all be a dud and we could be very disappointed with the outcome I just hope the situation is decent and her power and character is exposed upon. I liked how synch leveled up that was wonderful and made him just as powerful if not so than rouge an extremely powerful alpha.
Also on this issue though I understand where BP fans are coming from, it is not genuine that he does everything all the time because he is not exactly powerful not on his own, he is an excellent fighter and an insane genius but there are beings that outclasses him sooo much it's not even funny, his ex wife is literally a goddess and an omega level mutant at the same time. She appearing in a book with and he having to dish out the heaviest blow doesn't make sense especially for his character because he is very smart. Why think around it if Ororo can just wipe an Armada with a thought. In this I get them and their complaint but truthfully black panther is a strategist as much as he is a fighter it's not everything he would involve himself in directly.[/QUOTE]
1. her ability that allows her to feel when a tree is dying from being able to detect disturbances with the planet due to her communion granted by her powers does seem somewhat divine in nature. I never really thought about it that way. I won't say she is the most powerful but not many if any mutant I'm aware of can make such a claim thst ororo can. I'm not sure what the xoffices have in store for her but I hope they expound on her gift of godhead.
2. To your second point I argued this same point back in 2017/18 when Coates had storm defeat adversary. I told dome of his fans then that tchalla doesn't possess the abilities to defeat a character like him in the way ororo can. They were upset that she defeated him while tchalla was the mastermind that put all the players together to allow for the victory. The bottom of the line herr is that some of his fans want him doing everything and beating everyone but as you said his greatest asset imp is his mind. he will know when to delegate and when to fight so as to ensure victory. I dont see that as a bad thing.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5398492]I am truly offended by this comment. You are generalism me with a group which I do not like or fit in. You think that I have problems with all the black heroes team when this is not true at all. All I needed was a few pages showcasing how he contacted them and convince them to come. Miles would be completely out of character (OOC), if he suddenly ditches his school or his city only because someone else calls him for example. The same goes and for other characters. They suddenly appear in Wakanda for intergalactic threat, I do get that, and I do agree that a bigger team is needed and if it is all black team even better, they get to shine but for real, how did BP convince them to come, what did he say? Did he interact with them over the intercom or did he sent some of his militia to contact them directly. That is the piece that is missing and for me, that is a very important missed opportunity to enhance on BP's connections outside of Wakanda and character evolution.
I am no American, so please don't put me under the racists' branch just because I am missing an important panel in the comics. I would have reacted exactly the same way if the team was all white, hot and nude males. When you have sloppy writing or you've missed an important panel or few, I will call for it.
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If we are to have a discussion please don't misconstrue my statements. I never said you or anyone else was racists. I am pointing out a double standard applied to the use of all black team versus white ones, which us a factual one. As I said previously these questions are not asked or have not been asked when white characters are called to duty to fight common threats. I dont personally think its relevant to the story to see how he called a group of heroes to fight the "big boss." The answer is it happened off panel. If readers have been following the story they should know the level of threat warrants a pretty strong defense. In this case Coates wanted to highlight black heroes, for once, standing in solidarity against an adversary possessing the power of a galactic army lead by a villain with the power of Bast.
[QUOTE=andreikes;5398636]I don't know if anyone has posted, but ...
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Yeah, kyss posted that already ten or so pages ago. :D
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5398705]If we are to have a discussion please don't misconstrue my statements. I never said you or anyone else was racists. I am pointing out a double standard applied to the use of all black team versus white ones, which us a factual one. As I said previously these questions are not asked or have not been asked when white characters are called to duty to fight common threats. I dont personally think its relevant to the story to see how he called a group of heroes to fight the "big boss." The answer is it happened off panel. If readers have been following the story they should know the level of threat warrants a pretty strong defense. In this case Coates wanted to highlight black heroes, for once, standing in solidarity against an adversary possessing the power of a galactic army lead by a villain with the power of Bast.[/QUOTE]
Then I apologise, when you quote my comment then I thought you meant it as a comment directly towards my statement. Once again the issue here isn't the black heroes being there, but how they were summoned and why they were chosen. I do not think that something as important as this should be happening off-panel or at least if it is happening off-panel there should be hints like X-Men Red when Jean said that she will call for help and a few of the Avengers came to help them. Their call happened off-panel but it was hinted a few panels before that and it made sense why Captain America and some of the other avengers were summoned, they were thereafter all for the image.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5398836]Yeah, kyss posted that already ten or so pages ago. :D
Then I apologise, when you quote my comment then I thought you meant it as a comment directly towards my statement. Once again the issue here isn't the black heroes being there, but how they were summoned and why they were chosen. I do not think that something as important as this should be happening off-panel or at least if it is happening off-panel there should be hints like X-Men Red when Jean said that she will call for help and a few of the Avengers came to help them. Their call happened off-panel but it was hinted a few panels before that and it made sense why Captain America and some of the other avengers were summoned, they were thereafter all for the image.[/QUOTE]
No problem and I apologize too. My intentions were not offend you or insinuate you or anyone else was racist. Coates is a writer that likes to weave a story slowly together. It has been some complaints that he drags his stories out. I do believe since this is the end of his run he wanted to go out big. So he brought in some big name black characters. It shouldn't be a surprise either imo as he has taken elements of the black experience and incorporated it into the Wakandan mythos. But I digress, I think if he had more books to tell explain things he most certainly would but given its 3 issues that detail may have been something he deemed unnecessary to the gravitas of this moment.
I saw this in twitter and I must say during the most recent reveal this is hitting on a lot of the talking points I've seen here in the past. this revenant was speaking truth:
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5398934]I saw this in twitter and I must say during the most recent reveal this is hitting on a lot of the talking points I've seen here in the past. this revenant was speaking truth:
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As much as UXF was hit and miss for me Storm’s revenant could’ve made an awesome addition for Storm’s rogues gallery. A twisted version of herself that is devoid of Storm’s moral/ethical struggle and has a skewed and disdainful view of Storm’s mission in life. I know Ororo went gangster on her and killed her but I’d love for them to being her back as Nova’s left hand, equalize her to Storm as a dark omega and incorporate her into Storm’s story. I recall that Bishop made Storm a revenant hunter after she killed her revenant - like a rite of passage. I’d love a story built around that, with Storm, Bishop, Cyclops, Jean & Betsy front & center.
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5398965]As much as UXF was hit and miss for me Storm’s revenant could’ve made an awesome addition for Storm’s rogues gallery. A twisted version of herself that is devoid of Storm’s moral/ethical struggle and has a skewed and disdainful view of Storm’s mission in life. I know Ororo went gangster on her and killed her but I’d love for them to being her back as Nova’s left hand, equalize her to Storm as a dark omega and incorporate her into Storm’s story. I recall that Bishop made Storm a revenant hunter after she killed her revenant - like a rite of passage. I’d love a story built around that, with Storm, Bishop, Cyclops, Jean & Betsy front & center.[/QUOTE]
that book was more miss for me honestly but I agree about the revensnt being added to the rogue gallery. I did feel like at that time though beung underwhelmed by their abilities and was hoping for more.
oh I vaguely remember that detail about the revenant killer that would be cool. I would be curious to see how the revenant would try to twist the recent revelation she is a goddess into information she could use against her. she teased her for going away from this aspect of herself but not claimed what could she do to possibly corrupt ororo herself? it could be a challenging new threat if the revenabt was written appropriately.
Exactatiously..."A skewed and disdainful view of Storm's mission in this life".
A twisted recounting of what actually transpired throughout Storm's history so as to play on her doubts, and fears, and confidence. No "truths" were uttered by the revenant.