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[QUOTE=rhaenylis;5849368]Devil's Reign #1[/QUOTE]
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Paleo_Rage;5849374]Him and that other guy who said her powers didnt work in hell while Iceman and Firestars did still has me heated to do this day.. Like did they not read any CC storm moments or did they choose to black them out of their minds.[/QUOTE]
LMAO, this reminded me of a day I debated with someone who was making excuses about this moment, saying that the Iceman manipulates the concept of Temperature, while Ororo only manipulates Temperature thanks to its weather power. There is very nothing.
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[QUOTE=Paleo_Rage;5849374]Him and that other guy who said her powers didnt work in hell while Iceman and Firestars did still has me heated to do this day.. Like did they not read any CC storm moments or did they choose to black them out of their minds.[/QUOTE]
exactly. that writer in particular even had tchalla nullify her powers by putting nanites in the atmosphere which was ridiculous.
at any rate came across lovely storm art:
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGa41_6X0AYBX_g?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img]
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[QUOTE=LadyXKerrigan;5848889]Oh great...Devil's reign is about superhuman ban -- uhgain....
Meanwhile [I]Unbothered Queen[/I]. Hahaha fuck about and find out....
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And Fisk will... I expect her to go to City Hall and have words with Fisk.
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at any rate came across lovely storm art:
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We all know Ororo would not have tan lines, for a multitude of reasons...
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5848481]I recall jdw saying her powers working in space doesn't make sense and it all came together why she for so long has been written like garbage.[/QUOTE]
Then someone should have told JDW that even [B][U][URL="https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/spaceweather/en/"]in space a form of weather exists[/URL][/U][/B]... To dispute, this is like saying Jean Grey can't open a portal and transverse hyperspace.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5849461]We all know Ororo would not have tan lines, for a multitude of reasons...[/QUOTE]
Quoted for Truth!
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Storm with bantu knotts by Jinx4karma
[url]https://www.deviantart.com/jinx4karma/art/Storm-900255432[/url]
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Screencap of AIPT Monday about the Storm Costume....im thinking now there are two spotlights on two costumes could it possibly be two storms again in this timeline? Its potentially hinted back in SWORD 8 in that small panel where there are two storms battle in Arakko coz did she kill that thing or what? -- unless for goddess sake we have to deal with yet another cherry on top cover marketing...other than that Im fine if we have multiple storms in 1 panel...thoughts? and what do we have for this week?
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Storm with bantu knotts by Jinx4karma
[url]https://www.deviantart.com/jinx4karma/art/Storm-900255432[/url][/QUOTE]
OMGG, I love several variations of hairstyles that can be done on your hair, I would like to see more moments of afro braids.
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Screencap of AIPT Monday about the Storm Costume....im thinking now there are two spotlights on two costumes could it possibly be two storms again in this timeline? Its potentially hinted back in SWORD 8 in that small panel where there are two storms battle in Arakko coz did she kill that thing or what? -- unless for goddess sake we have to deal with yet another cherry on top cover marketing...other than that Im fine if we have multiple storms in 1 panel...thoughts? and what do we have for this week?[/QUOTE]
I don't know about it, two Storms? Which panel indicates this, what are you talking about?
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Screencap of AIPT Monday about the Storm Costume....im thinking now there are two spotlights on two costumes could it possibly be two storms again in this timeline? Its potentially hinted back in SWORD 8 in that small panel where there are two storms battle in Arakko coz did she kill that thing or what? -- unless for goddess sake we have to deal with yet another cherry on top cover marketing...other than that Im fine if we have multiple storms in 1 panel...thoughts? and what do we have for this week?[/QUOTE]
thanks for sharing. seeing the costume change occurs due to some in-story reasons I'm interested but seeing this is a spin on what happened when she went pink it still seems regressive. maybe they will have her become an elemental being finally but this just seems like she gone be doing more h2h stuff. not necessarily the next steps I was hoping to see for her.
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I don't know about it, two Storms? Which panel indicates this, what are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
Calm down...its not like they havent done anything like that before...
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[QUOTE=Saturius;5843714]Gillen is not a good Storm writer at all. If this is the only book she will be in at the relaunch, that would be greatly disappointing. If she isn't going to be written by Ewing, what a loss of great opportunity. His interview a few months back had a lot of promise that might now possibly go unfulfilled.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for reminding me of this nugget, it's why I've never been a fan of his. For Gillen as a white straight male writer to state openly that the ONLY POC in his cast was incidentally the only person in his cast he struggled to understand bothered me then and especially now. I have never understood how these same writer NEVER have an issue writing Magneto infact revel in it but Storm is somehow always outside of their wheelhouse. While they have different personalities I think Storm and Magneto both carry a certain presence and weigh that should be much easily to capture for her than it has been outside of Ewing!
[QUOTE=OmegaStorm87;5844735]The problem is that generally writers don't find that sort of personality attractive to write which is why i find the "all perfect goddess" characterization a negative.
It's why the likes of Emma and Kwannon have become very popular with writers over the last few years.[/QUOTE]
I feel like it's an excuse why don't these same writers ever have difficulty humanizing Legion, Nate Grey, Thor, Wanda, Ironman, Hulk, Wolverine, Captain Marvel, Apocalypse, or Magneto.
Magneto is one I always highlight because he and Storm parallel so much for me, but while writers come up with a multitude of reasons why they don't "get" her. Has a writer in the modern era and certainly in the past ever complained about not understanding Magneto or any of the other characters I listed, Storm deserves a skilled writer. But it is more than her powerset that has kept her from being consistently developed for two decades. I don't buy, that you can't write Storm as both a Goddess but also humanize her when writers are literally doing it everyday, the issue is if they care to and for many they simply do not.
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[QUOTE=Celestialbodies;5850860]Thank you for reminding me of this nugget, it's why I've never been a fan of his. For Gillen as a white straight male writer to state openly that the ONLY POC in his cast was incidentally the only person in his cast he struggled to understand bothered me then and especially now. I have never understood how these same writer NEVER have an issue writing Magneto infact revel in it but Storm is somehow always outside of their wheelhouse. While they have different personalities I think Storm and Magneto both carry a certain presence and weigh that should be much easily to capture for her than it has been outside of Ewing!
I feel like it's an excuse why don't these same writers ever have difficulty humanizing Legion, Nate Grey, Thor, Wanda, Ironman, Hulk, Wolverine, Captain Marvel, Apocalypse, or Magneto.
Magneto is one I always highlight because he and Storm parallel so much for me, but while writers come up with a multitude of reasons why they don't "get" her. Has a writer in the modern era and certainly in the past ever complained about not understanding Magneto or any of the other characters I listed, Storm deserves a skilled writer. But it is more than her powerset that has kept her from being consistently developed for two decades. I don't buy, that you can't write Storm as both a Goddess but also humanize her when writers are literally doing it everyday, the issue is if they care to and for many they simply do not.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=LadyXKerrigan;5850570]Calm down...its not like they havent done anything like that before...
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Ah, I had totally forgotten about that moment, thanks for reminding me! And I think it's interesting to have two Storms, but writers can barely handle one, let alone two lolol
Does anyone know what issue is this scan? Is this from universe 616?
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5851064]Ah, I had totally forgotten about that moment, thanks for reminding me! And I think it's interesting to have two Storms, but writers can barely handle one, let alone two lolol
Does anyone know what issue is this scan? Is this from universe 616?
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I don't believe it is but I don't know where it's from. Plus that narration is horrible! Can we not have her own powers killing her please!?
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That is from X-Men: The End. Basically Claremont's 'ending' for the team, published in mini series (18 issues) from 2004–2006. It's fair to call it an 'alternate future' in essentially 15/20 years or so, but it definitely spins out of X-Treme X-Men and other plots from that era[including Morrison stuff]. I wouldn't consider it '616' canon, though. Not Claremont's best work, but it had some interesting ideas. I didn't love his Storm loosing her bodily control from over exerting her nervous system [with her powers], but he had recently played with that idea in X-Treme when Viper cut her spinal cord in that Khan story, so I get where he was coming from. He had many of the X-Men die, and introduced many of their children. GeNeXt(2008) featured some of them, so it's kinda a sequel, even if some details are changed in between.
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Very well said. And seconded. It is a ridiculous excuse. The list of others goes on really. I think there biggest struggle isn’t trying to humanize an already highly compassionate and relatable character, but finding what her niche needs to be, abd how to build significance arlind it. The Voice of Sol & Regency of Mars has a tremendous amount of potential to truly explore Storm as a black woman who happens to be a warrior, a thief, a goddes, and X-Man, a leader, a lover, a sister (Jean, Kitty, Shuri, Betsy, Gambit), abd most juggle that with being not only the Voice of Sol but key fogure in shaping the future of mutants in multiple ways.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5851083]I don't believe it is but I don't know where it's from. Plus that narration is horrible! Can we not have her own powers killing her please!?[/QUOTE]
Yes that was a truly disgusting read. Since when does using her powers start to destroy her nervous system. So dumb smh
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I can understand a writer not "understanding" a particular character especially one he/she genuinely has/had no interest in.
As an X-Writer and an XM-fan yes he knows her powerset and her place in the X-Men but...for a lot of readers old and new, and writers, old and new, she really isn't the central focus and main interest as she is for the few of us here and elsewhere.
We will see how Gillen has become more familiar with Storm in IXM...if she is an integral part of his story and premise.
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5851083][COLOR="#A9A9A9"]I don't believe it is but I don't know where it's from. Plus that narration is horrible! Can we not have her own powers killing her please!?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=metalclouds;5851165][COLOR="#A9A9A9"]Yes that was a truly disgusting read.[/COLOR] Since when does using her powers start to destroy her nervous system. So dumb smh[/QUOTE]
[CENTER][SIZE=3]That reveal was established in [B][U][URL="https://uncannyxmen.net/comics/issue/x-men-unlimited-1st-series-1"]X-Men Unlimited #1 (1993)[/URL][/U][/B][/SIZE]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/dthSN0Yd/X-Men-Unlimited-001-A.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/W1rYjft1/X-Men-Unlimited-001-B.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/tC8vKHqc/X-Men-Unlimited-001-C.jpg[/img][/CENTER]
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[QUOTE=Subliminally;5851083]I don't believe it is but I don't know where it's from. Plus that narration is horrible! Can we not have her own powers killing her please!?[/QUOTE]
Don't tell me, very ridiculous, but used to seeing writers nerf their powers...
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5851084]That is from X-Men: The End. Basically Claremont's 'ending' for the team, published in mini series (18 issues) from 2004–2006. It's fair to call it an 'alternate future' in essentially 15/20 years or so, but it definitely spins out of X-Treme X-Men and other plots from that era[including Morrison stuff]. I wouldn't consider it '616' canon, though. Not Claremont's best work, but it had some interesting ideas. I didn't love his Storm loosing her bodily control from over exerting her nervous system [with her powers], but he had recently played with that idea in X-Treme when Viper cut her spinal cord in that Khan story, so I get where he was coming from. He had many of the X-Men die, and introduced many of their children. GeNeXt(2008) featured some of them, so it's kinda a sequel, even if some details are changed in between.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why it doesn't surprise me to know that it was Claremont who wrote this moment, although it's from another universe, it's kind of disappointing coming from him, like when he made Thor beat Storm with a kiss, but anyway, it happened.
[QUOTE=metalclouds;5851165]Yes that was a truly disgusting read. Since when does using her powers start to destroy her nervous system. So dumb smh[/QUOTE]
Yea! I think this limitation because of the nervous system is more conducive to characters like Magneto, Polaris... But not Storm, who should have immunity to their powers, but I think it was a move to put their feet on the ground, setting limits / weaknesses to not be the most powerful of the team, it has always been like that .. I hope it changes.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5851568]I can understand a writer not "understanding" a particular character especially one he/she genuinely has/had no interest in.
As an X-Writer and an XM-fan yes he knows her powerset and her place in the X-Men but...for a lot of readers old and new, and writers, old and new, she really isn't the central focus and main interest as she is for the few of us here and elsewhere.
We will see how Gillen has become more familiar with Storm in IXM...if she is an integral part of his story and premise.[/QUOTE]
I'm having the same thoughts as you, on this I really hope you're right, Storm wasn't meant to be in the second or third place, not now, with her new status, or being a story tool.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5851596][CENTER][SIZE=3]That reveal was established in [B][U][URL="https://uncannyxmen.net/comics/issue/x-men-unlimited-1st-series-1"]X-Men Unlimited #1 (1993)[/URL][/U][/B][/SIZE]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/dthSN0Yd/X-Men-Unlimited-001-A.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/W1rYjft1/X-Men-Unlimited-001-B.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/tC8vKHqc/X-Men-Unlimited-001-C.jpg[/img][/CENTER][/QUOTE]
hmm rotten, now i know why they hate this writer, he really didn't understand Storm's powers.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5851596][CENTER][SIZE=3]That reveal was established in [B][U][URL="https://uncannyxmen.net/comics/issue/x-men-unlimited-1st-series-1"]X-Men Unlimited #1 (1993)[/URL][/U][/B][/SIZE]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/dthSN0Yd/X-Men-Unlimited-001-A.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/W1rYjft1/X-Men-Unlimited-001-B.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/tC8vKHqc/X-Men-Unlimited-001-C.jpg[/img][/CENTER][/QUOTE]
This explanation by Lobdell is contrary to decades of canon. Claremont did imply Storm might have physical consequences to using her powers, that they might wane with age(going back to that Belasco/Limbo story), which he also implied was an issue for Magneto as well, but Lobdell's temperature shift nonsense never made sense(does she become -50,000 oF every time she uses lightning?).
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I didn't see anything in those scans that said her powers and using them affect her nervous system but then based upon the user posting it i most certainly wasn't expecting that claim to be factual.
Nevertheless, one of the reasons Lobdell was a HORRIBLE Storm writer and he was responsible for the eventually decline in the character's development experienced during the 90s xbooks.
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While Lobdell might have gone a bit extreme with that explanation and story (She was at the centre of the Super Blizzard in Claremont and Davis' UXM/Savage Land story without any ill effects)...it is essentially true that that's how Storm's body (automatically) compensates for the changes in atmospheric temperature and temperatures created unnaturally (by Iceman, eg). There is a panel where she explains as much to someone, stating..."I stay cool in Summer and deliciously warm in Winter" (grossly paraphrasing, here)
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This was in color but my computer crashed at the same time my brain did.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5851859]I didn't see anything in those scans that said her powers and using them affect her nervous system but then based upon the user posting it i most certainly wasn't expecting that claim to be factual.
Nevertheless, one of the reasons Lobdell was a HORRIBLE Storm writer and he was responsible for the eventually decline in the character's development experienced during the 90s xbooks.[/QUOTE]
Which was odd as he started off with a really good story with Storm, Gambit and Yukio fighting the Phalanx.
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Claremont explained that she was immune anything else is not accurate:
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Yea! I think this limitation because of the nervous system is more conducive to characters like Magneto, Polaris... But not Storm, who should have immunity to their powers, but I think it was a move to put their feet on the ground, setting limits / weaknesses to not be the most powerful of the team, it has always been like that .. I hope it changes.
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Well it did change didn't it when Storm told Magneto that he's no longer the most powerful in the room
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Lobdell was just playing at bad semantics. Of course she'll get wet in the rain and bruised if she allowed a hail stone to connect.
But extreme heat and cold, air pressure, friction, etc...phenomena that would incapacitate and even kill her fellow X-Men and regular humans...her body naturally compensates for those.
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I guess this is the weirdest thing for me, Storm has been the focal point of the most iconic X-men runs, sure in the last 2 decades that has changed. But it's not like many writers actually bother to reference those stories in any meaningful way, nor does this stop them from utilizing literally everyone else, at some point it stops being not understanding, and becomes simply not caring which brings up a slew of other questions. Besides, maybe I'm wrong but I've never heard a writer stress so casually how they don't "understand" any of the other prominent X-men.
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Just because they don't express it doesn't mean they don't think it or feel it.
At least Gillen was open and self aware enough to admit it at the time.
And like ALL fans, I'm sure if asked...every comic book writer has at least one character they don't care for and don't "understand"
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5852425]Just because they don't express it doesn't mean they don't think it or feel it.
At least Gillen was open and self aware enough to admit it at the time.
And like ALL fans, I'm sure if asked...every comic book writer has at least one character they don't care for and don't "understand"[/QUOTE]
True. Hell I would be hard pressed to write something good about Wind Dancer and Onyx. I was not a fan of the new kids...Hellion was the only one I liked.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5851992]Which was odd as he started off with a really good story with Storm, Gambit and Yukio fighting the Phalanx.[/QUOTE]
That’s true. That story was quite good.i think he also handled her fairly well in Cable/X-Force when they fought Strfye’s team. But yeah, he’s on the list of writers I hope Storm never has to fall under again. Gillen too. Part of me wants to be open but I mostly feel like his take on Storm would continue to be a meek, regressed back to her 70’s frame of thinking, and tactically incompetent in the upcoming IXM. Hope to be proven wrong but keeping expectations low. If anything I’d be interested in more Storm/Magneto interaction. Like a meaningful conversation or mission that shows how they could compliment each other, especially sharing the same passion for Krakoa’s success and future.
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[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5852660]That’s true. That story was quite good.i think he also handled her fairly well in Cable/X-Force when they fought Strfye’s team. But yeah, he’s on the list of writers I hope Storm never has to fall under again. Gillen too. Part of me wants to be open but I mostly feel like his take on Storm would continue to be a meek, regressed back to her 70’s frame of thinking, and tactically incompetent in the upcoming IXM. Hope to be proven wrong but keeping expectations low. If anything I’d be interested in more Storm/Magneto interaction. Like a meaningful conversation or mission that shows how they could compliment each other, especially sharing the same passion for Krakoa’s success and future.[/QUOTE]
I've always thought Storm and Magneto had that similar regal, royal vibe about them... they're also always the best dressed in the room and their powers relate in many ways. I guess that's why they're my absolute favorites...
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[QUOTE=The Regent;5852680]I've always thought Storm and Magneto had that similar regal, royal vibe about them... they're also always the best dressed in the room and their powers relate in many ways. I guess that's why they're my absolute favorites...[/QUOTE]
Agreed. As much as Id subconsciously deny it Magneto has always been a draw for me to a book and he is very compelling. Someone who I think would’ve made an interesting mentor had she encountered him vs Xavier as a child. Their conversations on panel, especially if they share a similar vision for the role Krakoa & Arakko could play in shaping the future of the universe & mutantdom, could be pretty damn epic and energizing to the momentum Hickman’s era has started.
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we love a good ororo/magnus moment:
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but look at them now:
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I think he fears her as much as he respects her. He knows that out of all of them, Storm has the best chance to be able to take him down if the need arises. Even in the classic days, everyone else was child's play to Mags but Storm. Her morals are the only thing that saved him from needing the resurrection protocols himself.
I'm still waiting for her to break open his shield with her own EM manipulation. Or hell, even just a straight up conversation about how his powers fall under Storm's umbrella and she could fight him at his own game and then some. He may be Omega in that category, but it's already been shown that other EM users can use his own power against him.
Some people not ready for that conversation though since they want her to be "humble".
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Larraz reminiscing with the Regent Goddess on Instagram this morning.
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Amazing scene! Even with the fish tank bowl helmet, lol.
