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The ruby has two completely different origins.
1) she stole it in Cairo as a child, and it's Candra's[the External] 'heart'(like a horcrux).
2) it's a family heirloom from her mother N'Dare, whose family has protected it for millennia; it is part of the 'Madripoor set' that can open transdimensional portals
Incidentally M'Rinn also gave her a transdimensional portal opening crystal in one of the classic X-Men backup stories.
[QUOTE=Celestialbodies;5457000]Exactly why I'm here, I wanted to know you guys thoughts on this issue, but more importantly exactly WHO do I need to contact to ensure Monet St. Croix and Cecilia Reyes has a cameo. And yes it is important, the X-men has a severe lack of black women and more importantly many of them outside of Storm are usually ignored. I also love the differences between women like Storm, Frenzy, Cecilia, and Monet their all incredibly valuable and I feel like when these women are used and celebrated especially in a comic like this one it only strengthens them as a collective. Plus, I'm just realizing a team of these four would be incredible.[/quote]
Coates has definitely drawn attention to the dire need to have more visibility to the black characters in marvel. The hype that this issue received i hope helps in marvel doing more to include more of these heroes beyond supporting roles.
[QUOTE=Celestialbodies;5457000]
Not gone lie, while I love seeing Monica and Storm interact, I do feel these women are never allowed to be consistently as powerful as their peers. I didn't read the previous issue so excuse my ignorance, but Storm and Spectrum should have been extreme heavy hitters with their level of powers. But rarely are they used like characters in the same power range.[/QUOTE]
they are most definitely the heavy hitters. ororo absorbing all of spectrum and blasting her towards the mothership was definition of badass.
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Lord, XOS could have been so much more, look at this make shift team, that event should have been a war which the X-men barely overcame instead it will mostly be remembered as wasted potential and I can't for the life of me understand whose idea was it to turn this event with such stakes into a travesty.
He's pretty great and I love the play on the black nerd ;)[/QUOTE]
yea I dont know why they went the route they did but the fashion show, drinking contest, and all the other fake outs were a huge let down.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5457124]Basics will like anything on youtube...
especially when it's aping a hugely successful MCU scene from two years ago.
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oh girlie. nothing wrong with being basic especially if basic equates to celebrating black excellence within the comics im here for it:
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guess who is number 1?
[url]https://www.marvel.com/watch/digital-series/marvel-top-10/x-women-top-10[/url]
[video=youtube_share;ilm56ONRy3Y]https://youtu.be/ilm56ONRy3Y[/video]
[QUOTE=Dipter;5456865][IMG][img]https://i.imgur.com/oZk2RAL.png[/img][/IMG]
Hey everyone, I drew Storm. Came out kind of scuffed, but still proud of it. Hope you like it.[/QUOTE]
This is amazing. This would be great on a T-Shirt.
Keep up the great work!!
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5457266]guess who is number 1?
[url]https://www.marvel.com/watch/digital-series/marvel-top-10/x-women-top-10[/url]
[video=youtube_share;ilm56ONRy3Y]https://youtu.be/ilm56ONRy3Y[/video][/QUOTE]
While I would have moved some people around, IA with the Top 2. I would have had Rogue round out the Top 3 but Kitty's spot is earned
[QUOTE=Havok83;5457311]While I would have moved some people around, IA with the Top 2. I would have had Rogue round out the Top 3 but Kitty's spot is earned[/QUOTE]
what would you top 10 look like? I'm not sure why kitty is on the list personally or if she is she shouldn't be so high.
I would have been ok with rogue or psylocke in the top 3.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5457322]what would you top 10 look like? [B]I'm not sure why kitty is on the list personally or if she is she shouldn't be so high.[/B]
I would have been ok with rogue or psylocke in the top 3.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
I would have went with
Storm
Jean
Rouge
Psylocke
Emma
Kitty
Mystique
Dazzler
Polaris
Magik or Jubilee
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5457363]Agreed.
I would have went with
Storm
Jean
Rouge
Psylocke
Emma
Kitty
Mystique
Dazzler
Polaris
Magik or Jubilee[/QUOTE]
yes I like your top 4 much better. I seriously dont get the kitty wank. what about x-23? I guess you left her off for a reason lol.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5457363]Agreed.
I would have went with
Storm
Jean
Rouge
Psylocke
Emma
Kitty
Mystique
Dazzler
Polaris
Magik or Jubilee[/QUOTE]
In turns of having a real fan base I say storm,Jean and Emma are the most popular and did anyone notice how they said storm powers made her “revered as a goddess” and not that she is one very upsetting.
[QUOTE=Weathergodsson;5457375]In turns of having a real fan base I say storm,Jean and Emma are the most popular and did anyone notice how they said storm powers made her “revered as a goddess” and not that she is one very upsetting.[/QUOTE]
yea they don't want to give her the pearls she deserves but regardless of what the xoffices present it is canon she is an actual goddess and so as long as fans push for this, holding writers accountable we will win in the end. however seeing ororo at the top of that list was truly satisfying
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5457322]what would you top 10 look like? I'm not sure why kitty is on the list personally or if she is she shouldn't be so high.
I would have been ok with rogue or psylocke in the top 3.[/QUOTE]
1. Jean - the first X-woman and yes my favorite. She paved the way for everyone else
2. Storm - the most influential leader and the most recognizable female X-woman
3. Rogue - the fist female villian to hero arc and she proved to be one of the ost valuable membr for dcades since then
4. Kitty - I dont like her but cant deny her role as a POV character whom we watched her grow up
5. Psylocke - Im referring to Betsy. She hasnt had the best storylines but Ive enjoyed her personal journey especially in spite of everything thats been thrown at her
6. Emma - arguably the most dynamic character here. She had a good redemption arc and has been a strong leading female figure in the line
7. Magik - from dead in limbo to A-lister. I find her to be incredibly interesting
8. Dani Moonstar - she's always been solid even when she isnt getting much focus. She has broad appeal outside of the X-line which isnt something the rest can all say
9. Polaris - underrated. The 2nd X-woman thats often forgotten. I wish I could rank her higher but she just hasnt been used as much
10. Monet - strong up and comer over the last few years. She has potential to be big with the right attention
[QUOTE=Havok83;5457448]1. Jean
2. Storm
3. Rogue
4. Kitty
5. Psylocke
6. Emma
7. Magik
8. Dani Moonstar
9. Polaris
10. Monet[/QUOTE]
interesting list... but thank you!
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5457369]yes I like your top 4 much better. I seriously dont get the kitty wank. what about x-23? I guess you left her off for a reason lol.[/QUOTE]
I just forgot about her. AS much as I love Alison/Dazzler, she was actually the hardest to place.
[QUOTE=Havok83;5457448]1. Jean - the first X-woman and yes my favorite. She paved the way for everyone else
2. Storm - the most influential leader and the most recognizable female X-woman
3. Rogue - the fist female villian to hero arc and she proved to be one of the ost valuable membr for dcades since then
4. Kitty - I dont like her but cant deny her role as a POV character whom we watched her grow up
5. Psylocke - Im referring to Betsy. She hasnt had the best storylines but Ive enjoyed her personal journey especially in spite of everything thats been thrown at her
6. Emma - arguably the most dynamic character here. She had a good redemption arc and has been a strong leading female figure in the line
7. Magik - from dead in limbo to A-lister. I find her to be incredibly interesting
8. Dani Moonstar - she's always been solid even when she isnt getting much focus. She has broad appeal outside of the X-line which isnt something the rest can all say
9. Polaris - underrated. The 2nd X-woman thats often forgotten. I wish I could rank her higher but she just hasnt been used as much
10. Monet - strong up and comer over the last few years. She has potential to be big with the right attention[/QUOTE]
thanks for adding the detail here. I think I want to do something similar but if I'm being honestly my 1 through 10 would look like this:
1. Storm
2. Storm
3. Storm
4. Storm
5. Storm
6. Storm
7. Storm
8. Storm
9. Storm
and.......
10. Storm
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5457262]C
oh girlie. nothing wrong with being basic especially if basic equates to celebrating black excellence within the comics im here for it:
[video=youtube_share;ilm56ONRy3Y]https://youtu.be/ilm56ONRy3Y[/video][/QUOTE]
Inserting a bunch of characters who haven't even been in the run to[I] get defeated[/I] by an evil galactic Wakandan slave army, only to be saved by regular Wakanda's slave army[of oppressed colonized animal/monster-people], isn't the kind of substantive representation I would like to see, but to each their own.
As for who is the best X-Woman, we already know this.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5457605]Inserting a bunch of characters who haven't even been in the run to[I] get defeated[/I] by an evil galactic Wakandan slave army, only to be saved by regular Wakanda's slave army[of oppressed colonized animal/monster-people], isn't the kind of substantive representation I would like to see, but to each their own.
As for who is the best X-Woman, we already know this.
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well you must keep in mind, tchalla freed the minds of all those who lost their memories by way of showing the past BPs that resided in the Dalia he was their king. So the fighrers who you see with Killmonger are no longer "enslaved" in that degree. Nevertheless, I wouldn't say the originators are saving them but aiding tchalla by fighting a common threat, which Ramonda is credited in their effort. String black characters, both make and female, working together having survived both a civil war within Wakanda prime and externally via galatic wakanda is tge legacy I see Coates has left. So people just have come to a different conclusion than the one prescribed above.
and yes beloved you are 10o% correct:
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5457215]The ruby has two completely different origins.
1) she stole it in Cairo as a child, and it's Candra's[the External] 'heart'(like a horcrux).
2) it's a family heirloom from her mother N'Dare, whose family has protected it for millennia; it is part of the 'Madripoor set' that can open transdimensional portals
Incidentally M'Rinn also gave her a transdimensional portal opening crystal in one of the classic X-Men backup stories.[/QUOTE]
I personally prefer the latter. my question is which one supercedes which:
[img]https://psychodadcomics.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/5-storm.jpg?w=616[/img]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5457631]I personally prefer the latter. my question is which one supercedes which:
[img]https://psychodadcomics.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/5-storm.jpg?w=616[/img][/QUOTE]
Neither is a homerun to me, but I'll take Claremont's Madripoor Set version. Just needs a nice tale of Sorceress Supreme Ayesha defeating an interdimensional threat and breaking up the set, scattering them to the four corners of the world and keeping the ruby protected by her own daughter and their descendants.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5457383]yea they don't want to give her the pearls she deserves but regardless of what the xoffices present it is canon she is an actual goddess and so as long as fans push for this, holding writers accountable we will win in the end. however seeing ororo at the top of that list was truly satisfying[/QUOTE]
Idk until the xoffice blatantly references it and give her the feats it’s still kinda black panther fan fic at this point lol but fingers crossed , and I as well appreciate storms big push by marvel to being its top female character it’s what she deserves.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5455504]So of course rumors are coming about MCU Mutants.
Base off some the casting information. Actress like sonequa martin-green & yara shahidi are being consider for roles.
What do you guys think of either of these lady being chosen to play Storm, and if you think the direction casting seems to be going is in the direction fan would like for Storm?[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt there is any MCU casting information to even leak, since it doesn't even have full-time writers. Let alone a lead creative, i'm sure they are still in the brain storming phase. So its best to ignore that stuff - like the bs Jennifer Lawrence "casting" rumors for FF4 - these projects are a long ways away.
Personally, I hope they pick the actress from Old Guard.
[url]https://www.marvel.com/watch/digital-series/marvel-top-10/x-women-top-10[/url]
[video=youtube_share;ilm56ONRy3Y]https://youtu.be/ilm56ONRy3Y[/video][/QUOTE]
It's so nice to see Storm be given her props these days. I'm definitely here for it.
[QUOTE=metalclouds;5456742]I watch this guy all the time lol. His voice is so nerdy though "Ernie Blerd without fear" whatever tf that's supposed to mean[/QUOTE]
I like his channel too and watch his reviews often. I did find his reaction to the comic a little over the top although I definitely get it and understand where he is coming from. It's just that this finale after Endgame and even the last fight scene in X of Swords feels a bit repetitive and less epic than described, but I get it. Also, in all fairness, there is one more book left. I will say regardless of issues I have with Coates run and even the BP pairing, I can't take away from the fact that Coates has definitely contributed to the uplifting of Storm's character that we are currently seeing in a big way. Without his proclamation of her goddess status, I highly doubt we would have got confirmation of both her Omega status and her being a goddess on the X side of things. Or even her current recognition as THE POWERHOUSE that we are seeing across the MCU. Despite there being issues, I think it's only fair to give credit in this regard.
I do find it telling, that ppl have more issue with her getting with BP. Than with her getting with Forge or Logan. Despite Forge cheating on her and Logan using her as a stand-in for Jean. Even crazier when you think about the fact that BP and Storm, were the only true black couple in marvel comics for a while, and still are. Regardless of the quality of their pairing.
That being the case is very perplexing to me. But in truth Storm, she was never a character that needed to be tied down. Even though her home and her roots are in Africa, which i think was ultimately, why similar imagery was used from BP. Although it should be noted the MCU didn't create that visual motif (tree of origin or of life).
Storm hasn't had a single love interest worthy of her. She needs her own solo written by someone who really understands her for that to actually click. She exists primarily as a team member/leader, and that limits her romantic potential. Forge was essentially a plot device for her development(the powerless phase was incredible). Flirting with her X-bros is just that; she's not going to marry Wolverine or Nightcrawler. T'Challa should have remained one of her 'woulda, coulda' monarch suitors(like Arkon, Loki, Doom, Namor, Khan, etc).
I think the understated relationship with Yukio was the most intriguing. Storm's the Alpha. She needs a 'Lois Lane' to her 'Superman', or a "Steve Trevor" to her "Wonder Woman". Playing "Mera" to T'Challa's "Aquaman" was never going to work. Having someone wild and crazy bring out her passionate side was a good approach. Brings her down to earth, onto the street and onto the dancefloor. Storm doesn't need to be in a stuffy palace, with a king burdened by the responsibility of a kingdom that is not hers(and that she will always come second to). I'd be fine with her dating a normal, everyday kinda guy(or lady, for that matter), say a photographer from Harlem, but then he basically becomes a liability waiting to be fridged, or even worse, boring, underdeveloped deadweight(like Northstar's husband). Within a team book, there's not a ton of space for great romance. Even the classics like Scott/Jean, Gambit/Rogue, or Angel/Psylocke fizzle out/get boring.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5457944][B]Storm hasn't had a single love interest worthy of her. She needs her own solo written by someone who really understands her for that to actually click[/B]. She exists primarily as a team member/leader, and that limits her romantic potential. Forge was essentially a plot device for her development(the powerless phase was incredible). Flirting with her X-bros is just that; she's not going to marry Wolverine or Nightcrawler. T'Challa should have remained one of her 'woulda, coulda' monarch suitors(like Arkon, Loki, Doom, Namor, Khan, etc).
I think the understated relationship with Yukio was the most intriguing. Storm's the Alpha. She needs a 'Lois Lane' to her 'Superman', or a "Steve Trevor" to her "Wonder Woman".[B] Playing "Mera" to T'Challa's "Aquaman" was never going to work.[/B] Having someone wild and crazy bring out her passionate side was a good approach. Brings her down to earth, onto the street and onto the dancefloor. Storm doesn't need to be in a stuffy palace, with a king burdened by the responsibility of a kingdom that is not hers(and that she will always come second to). I'd be fine with her dating a normal, everyday kinda guy(or lady, for that matter), say a photographer from Harlem, but then he basically becomes a liability waiting to be fridged, or even worse, boring, underdeveloped deadweight(like Northstar's husband). Within a team book, there's not a ton of space for great romance. Even the classics like Scott/Jean, Gambit/Rogue, or Angel/Psylocke fizzle out/get boring.[/QUOTE]
Amen and amen.
Hopefully something is done this year since lipservice is present from Marvel so much lately.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5457944]Storm hasn't had a single love interest worthy of her. She needs her own solo written by someone who really understands her for that to actually click. She exists primarily as a team member/leader, and that limits her romantic potential. Forge was essentially a plot device for her development(the powerless phase was incredible). Flirting with her X-bros is just that; she's not going to marry Wolverine or Nightcrawler. T'Challa should have remained one of her 'woulda, coulda' monarch suitors(like Arkon, Loki, Doom, Namor, Khan, etc).
I think the understated relationship with Yukio was the most intriguing. Storm's the Alpha. She needs a 'Lois Lane' to her 'Superman', or a "Steve Trevor" to her "Wonder Woman". Playing "Mera" to T'Challa's "Aquaman" was never going to work. Having someone wild and crazy bring out her passionate side was a good approach. Brings her down to earth, onto the street and onto the dancefloor. Storm doesn't need to be in a stuffy palace, with a king burdened by the responsibility of a kingdom that is not hers(and that she will always come second to). I'd be fine with her dating a normal, everyday kinda guy(or lady, for that matter), say a photographer from Harlem, but then he basically becomes a liability waiting to be fridged, or even worse, boring, underdeveloped deadweight(like Northstar's husband). Within a team book, there's not a ton of space for great romance. Even the classics like Scott/Jean, Gambit/Rogue, or Angel/Psylocke fizzle out/get boring.[/QUOTE]
Agreed with all this! and they didn't need to marry her and t'challa together it could have been a off and on relationship that built. Maybe he tries the down to earth vibe, or vice versa. Overall there was no need to her to move to Wakanda, making both characters stagnant.
Either one could have gone on that journey of exploration
with Shuri slowly taking over, as their status as two leaders, prevents the dynamic that would be normal in a more standard relationship ala a non-royal being with a king or queen figure. Or goddess attaching herself to "lesser" being, type situation.
In order if it to work, they needed to put them in circumstances that were more freeform and less strict in terms of intrigue, I mean folks can only handle so much game of thrones lite in a semi-romance comic book about two Alpha's. The traditional elements that courtship sidetracked more interesting concepts, especially with how peaceful Wakanda, usually is too boot (which isn't a bad thing, but things go one or two ways).
Either way, I hope Marvel and the X-office do less talking and start putting their money where their mouth is by elevating Storm as we get closer, to the MCU version of her character, that they better not screw up.
It's simple to me. They weren't her husband, he was. No one blames him and i feel some people come in here to try to start a fight with the same old same old. If you want them have it it, f it's your opinion for them to be together. Here we go circling the drain again. Can someone make a couples thread or something?
At the end of the day writing aside if your husband stays seated because cap tells him to. The writers don't respect the couplle. If your getting into a fist fight with your husband and he is kicking you out of your country you share with him and annuled the marriage it shows there was no black love there because if we are REAL, if we are honest. An aspect of Black love right or wrong is ride or die and the writers weren't here for that and didn't write them as such so the only black love on the page imo is the one that was in peoples minds because it was always written as one sided. But then maybe that's what some peeople think REAL love is.
Either way, this Storm fan is eating good. Yassss! lol
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5457944]Storm hasn't had a single love interest worthy of her. She needs her own solo written by someone who really understands her for that to actually click. She exists primarily as a team member/leader, and that limits her romantic potential. Forge was essentially a plot device for her development(the powerless phase was incredible). Flirting with her X-bros is just that; she's not going to marry Wolverine or Nightcrawler. T'Challa should have remained one of her 'woulda, coulda' monarch suitors(like Arkon, Loki, Doom, Namor, Khan, etc).
I think the understated relationship with Yukio was the most intriguing. Storm's the Alpha. She needs a 'Lois Lane' to her 'Superman', or a "Steve Trevor" to her "Wonder Woman". Playing "Mera" to T'Challa's "Aquaman" was never going to work. Having someone wild and crazy bring out her passionate side was a good approach. Brings her down to earth, onto the street and onto the dancefloor. Storm doesn't need to be in a stuffy palace, with a king burdened by the responsibility of a kingdom that is not hers(and that she will always come second to). I'd be fine with her dating a normal, everyday kinda guy(or lady, for that matter), say a photographer from Harlem, but then he basically becomes a liability waiting to be fridged, or even worse, boring, underdeveloped deadweight(like Northstar's husband). Within a team book, there's not a ton of space for great romance. Even the classics like Scott/Jean, Gambit/Rogue, or Angel/Psylocke fizzle out/get boring.[/QUOTE]
Preach. It would be great to see storm in a relationship where we could see her wonder and majestry through that kind of lense. Regular everyday guy sounds so intriguing and it never crossed my mind.
Also I get the optics of the all black thing but it comes off as awful. All those people tchalla helped all the times he saved the universe and not a single white hero even sent an on the way message. That imo looks as bad as the avengers not showing up to help the xmen but always showing up to stop them before they did anything. There could be a million great reviews out there and it still won't change my mind or anyone else's so I don't get the saving of the opinion of people I don't even know like it's suppose to be a gold standard. Catch me when oprah reviews it. Lol cause that at least means exposure.
Hate typing on my phone autocorrect is evil.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5457622]well you must keep in mind, tchalla freed the minds of all those who lost their memories by way of showing the past BPs that resided in the Dalia he was their king. So the fighrers who you see with Killmonger are no longer "enslaved" in that degree. Nevertheless, I wouldn't say the originators are saving them but aiding tchalla by fighting a common threat, which Ramonda is credited in their effort. String black characters, both make and female, working together having survived both a civil war within Wakanda prime and externally via galatic wakanda is tge legacy I see Coates has left. So people just have come to a different conclusion than the one prescribed above.
and yes beloved you are 10o% correct:
[img]https://media1.tenor.com/images/cde6c44019680afcb9b2c935367cb105/tenor.gif[/img]
[img]https://media1.tenor.com/images/0160be6ba48b4805ae7e72bad2a7f086/tenor.gif[/img]
I personally prefer the latter. my question is which one supercedes which:
[img]https://psychodadcomics.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/5-storm.jpg?w=616[/img][/QUOTE]
I wonder if it could not be both?
What I mean is that perhaps it was a family heirloom but somehow Candra was involved and then later a young Ororo stole it back. At the time, she would not have known it was part of her tradition (Achmed El Jabar may have known which is why he had her steal it back) but later he gave it to her.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5457488]thanks for adding the detail here. I think I want to do something similar but if I'm being honestly my 1 through 10 would look like this:
1. Storm
2. Storm
3. Storm
4. Storm
5. Storm
6. Storm
7. Storm
8. Storm
9. Storm
and.......
10. Storm[/QUOTE]
Mine will be
1. Storm
And the rest.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5457681]Neither is a homerun to me, but I'll take Claremont's Madripoor Set version. Just needs a nice tale of Sorceress Supreme Ayesha defeating an interdimensional threat and breaking up the set, scattering them to the four corners of the world and keeping the ruby protected by her own daughter and their descendants.[/QUOTE]
what issue talks about the ruby (not candra I've read those)? I want see her gift if godhead confirmed as a result of her being a direct descendant of the bright lady.
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5458310]I wonder if it could not be both?
What I mean is that perhaps it was a family heirloom but somehow Candra was involved and then later a young Ororo stole it back. At the time, she would not have known it was part of her tradition (Achmed El Jabar may have known which is why he had her steal it back) but later he gave it to her.[/QUOTE]
yes you are right it could be both. I was hoping this item would be something special to her completely unrelated to any other marvel character.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5458469]
yes you are right it could be both. I was hoping this item would be something special to her completely unrelated to any other marvel character.[/QUOTE]
I really like the both idea. I know what you mean being totally away from any othe Marvel character. But if it started out being in Ororo's family, then that can diminish the other character's claim/involvement/uniqueness. And also, Candra is a minor character with limited appearances, so if she does play into it, I do not think it takes away anything from Ororo if somehow Candra stole it from one of ororo's ancestors. it is just another piece of the puzzle while keeping the stories in tact, adding to the history and mystery of the gem!
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5458310]I wonder if it could not be both?
What I mean is that perhaps it was a family heirloom but somehow Candra was involved and then later a young Ororo stole it back. At the time, she would not have known it was part of her tradition (Achmed El Jabar may have known which is why he had her steal it back) but later he gave it to her.[/QUOTE]
It's not both. Candra's gem was destroyed. Claremont's story wins.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5458469]what issue talks about the ruby (not candra I've read those)? I want see her gift if godhead confirmed as a result of her being a direct descendant of the bright lady.
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That connection was first alluded to in X-Treme X-Men #4, more specifically in #10, when Khan was on the way. Claremont didn't explain much. Another story could flesh out the details in regards to Ororo's ancestors and their history with the gems.
Whew chile. Marvel placing storm as the number one female xlady has really allowed some of the fandom true colors to be shown. I've seen a couple of posts from jean fans on twitter saying she was only put at number 1 for political reasons because she is black or that she she shouldn't be because she is not as powerful as jean. I find such statements comical in that yes she is a black character but she is beloved because of her many, many inspiring traits she possess, her power, and just overall being badass. She was being a strong, black woman during a period where most women including jean was playing subordinate to their make counterparts. Also, as I've said many times jean was giving the Phoenix to put her on ororo's level. Nevertheless, people may see her as some sort of quota but if you really look into the history of the character it should make perfect sense why she is number 1.
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That is sad and sorry the Jean fans were the ones to do it. It is not for any political reason. Storm has just come into her own. (While not an excuse, I know so many Jean fans are upset because of no development for her in a while now). Storm is at #1. Period.
Upset or not, Jean fans should not put down Storm. Storm being number one should likewise not have fans putting Jean down. Jean (among the other founding Ladies of Marvel) helped paved the way for the 1970's females (like Storm) and beyond. As such, they should be respected. And all characters are at the mercy of the writers.
Storm is our Elemental Goddess. Jean is our Psionic Goddess of the Mind. Wanda is our Magical Mutant Goddess. Lorna is our Energy Goddess.
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5458607]That is sad and sorry the Jean fans were the ones to do it. It is not for any political reason. Storm has just come into her own. (While not an excuse, I know so many Jean fans are upset because of no development for her in a while now). Storm is at #1. Period.
Upset or not, Jean fans should not put down Storm. Storm being number one should likewise not have fans putting Jean down. Jean (among the other founding Ladies of Marvel) helped paved the way for the 1970's females (like Storm) and beyond. As such, they should be respected. And all characters are at the mercy of the writers.
Storm is our Elemental Goddess. Jean is our Psionic Goddess of the Mind. Wanda is our Magical Mutant Goddess. Lorna is our Energy Goddess.[/QUOTE]
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Thank you phoenix. It happens and I can't say I'm surprised by it. The xmen are known for their powerful women. I dont have issues with other fans' favorite characters until misinformation is used to denigrate the All-Goddess. However, thank you for always being polite and a friend beloved!!
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5457605]Inserting a bunch of characters who haven't even been in the run to[I] get defeated[/I] by an evil galactic Wakandan slave army, only to be saved by regular Wakanda's slave army[of oppressed colonized animal/monster-people], isn't the kind of substantive representation I would like to see, but to each their own.
As for who is the best X-Woman, we already know this.
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I have to agree with you here. Like, what's the subtext of that? Everyone's a little imperialistic??? The former oppressed monster people he literally just retconed into existence... make it make sense.
Thank you for the kind words, bkyss! Yes, we are beloved Friends!
Also thanks for posting the poster, lol. Not that I did not believe you, but when you actually see the anger and hate it is like wow.
I never try to better a character by knocking down another one.
Unfortunately today, even with all this technology there is ignorance and hatred and such disrespect for others. (It even occurs on CBR too).
But we keep it Fun and Friendly!
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;5458642]Thank you for the kind words, bkyss! Yes, we are beloved Friends!
Also thanks for posting the poster, lol. Not that I did not believe you, but when you actually see the anger and hate it is like wow.
I never try to better a character by knocking down another one.
Unfortunately today, even with all this technology there is ignorance and hatred and such disrespect for others. (It even occurs on CBR too).
But we keep it Fun and Friendly![/QUOTE]
you're welcome phoenix!! (^_^)
yea I was kind of on the fence on whether I would share their tweet but then decided it probably wasn't fair to make an accusation with showing the evidence.
and agreed! as long as people are respectful we all can have fun in appreciating our faves!!
[QUOTE=Baby_Hater666;5458639]I have to agree with you here. Like, what's the subtext of that? [b]Everyone's a little imperialistic???[/b] The former oppressed monster people he literally just retconed into existence... make it make sense.[/QUOTE]
yes. most nations in the world are lead by dictators, monarchs, king, queens, etc. That is why what the USA did government wise was known as the American experiment because it was trying something not typically shown by other nations which was giving voice and power to its citizens.
[QUOTE=Baby_Hater666;5458639]I have to agree with you here. Like, what's the subtext of that? Everyone's a little imperialistic??? The former oppressed monster people he literally just retconed into existence... make it make sense.[/QUOTE]
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There's no way to make it make sense. We just have to ignore it and keep moving. Comics are like that sometimes.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5458658]yes. [B]most nations in the world are lead by dictators, monarchs, king, queens, etc.[/B] [/QUOTE]
Monarchies represent only 44/194 UN recognized nation-states. So the vast majority of nations ARE NOT ruled by monarchs. Defining 'dictator' is a bit trickier(highly subjective).
[QUOTE=Weathergodsson;5457682]Idk until the xoffice blatantly references it and give her the feats it’s still kinda black panther fan fic at this point lol but fingers crossed , and I as well appreciate storms big push by marvel to being its top female character it’s what she deserves.[/QUOTE]
I know there are some who feel that nothing done outside if the xiffice is valid and to me that is unfortunate as it is all 616. marvel released an encyclopedia where she is stared as a wakansa goddess too. however, Hickman in her giant size book did show her referring to herself as a goddess.
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