Ororo Munroe: Storm/Hadari Yao Appreciation 2021

[QUOTE=dirtynun;5472858]The mystic arcana issue one it is stated there the preference of oshtur for Storm's bloodline.

Yh that's true. Because I realized of all the xwomen. Storm has the biggest following and among all x characters she is second only to wolverine. And that is after writer's butchered the character for decades so imagine if they decide to push her as they do carol. As you are well aware storm has been soo prominent she has eclipsed wonder woman herself. They did it her creators vision to make her the most prominent woman in comics happened. Then it went downhill. But as I have noticed things lost can be restored. The mcu has done that for sooo many characters like carol, bucky, Jessica Jones, quake among others some though not house hold names still are still prominent than before.

Marvel did well they got their heroine, but cast her aside for a wonder woman archetype. I love carol but she feels too rehearsed like a merging of wonder woman and superman with a dash of martian man hunter. But she is there now and I love Brie and what she did with her. But the it girl the queen is storm. And that's hard since I will say marvel is better at establishing female heroes than DC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaximoffTrash;5473152]Mystic Arcana had one story about Storm's ancestor who is a priest of Ma'at(which is Oshtur's Egyptian identity in MU.) And in Marvel Tarot, Storm is one of the prietess Cards.
She is from a blessed bloodline, not a divine one though.(As in being an actual offspring of gods, she is from a line of priesthood.)

Again for Stephen, I think it's there is a difference between being a sorcerer serving Vishanti and a priest serving Oshtur. If anything Sorcerer Supreme fills the former role of Agamotto which is to defend Earth. Interesting enough, Agamotto and Hoggoth don't really show up alone in Earthlings' culture and religion.
It's either Oshtur alone or Vishanti as a whole.[/QUOTE]

thank you both! that she has this connection to Maat and blessed by her bloodline could be what Mr Coates was hinting at in Black Panther when it was revealed she was a REAL GODDESS!


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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5472787]I loved pryde of the xmen storm. she wasn't taking any mess from the men on her team lol[/QUOTE]

Oh Indeed [B][I][COLOR="#0000FF"]Butterflykyss[/COLOR][/I][/B] Storm Takes Command of Situations she is in in the show and I like the sound effect that come out of her hads in the Danger Room from the Lighting, SO AWESOME!! :D

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[QUOTE=CJStriker;5473413]Oh Indeed [B][I][COLOR="#0000FF"]Butterflykyss[/COLOR][/I][/B] Storm Takes Command of Situations she is in in the show and I like the sound effect that come out of her hads in the Danger Room from the Lighting, SO AWESOME!! :D

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Why the Wendigo? She was catching the Master of Magnet with those Lightninf Tornadoes at the end. Lol

[QUOTE=CJStriker;5473413]Oh Indeed [B][I][COLOR="#0000FF"]Butterflykyss[/COLOR][/I][/B] Storm Takes Command of Situations she is in in the show and I like the sound effect that come out of her hads in the Danger Room from the Lighting, SO AWESOME!! :D

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you are really bringing all the goodies today. this was the first xmen game I ever played!!! I never beat it lolol but thank you for sharing.

[QUOTE=Daedra;5472526]I do agree with you tho, storm is more powerful than strange, in the sense that while her power is innate and intrinsic to her own nature, strange is just a normal human, all his power comes from his studies and spiritual evolution, that’s why I consider a possessed strange a severely downgraded asset.[/QUOTE]

While that is true he is just a normal human being whose true power comes from knowledge squired. He still has said knowledge. As I stated before knull has extremely intimate access to the knowledge of all his avatars. So being in possession of strange doesn't change that fact. His occult knowledge is still accessible to knull at while he is possessed.

I also pointed out he is a primordial entity. He predates most if not all things. If he states that this person is strongest the person is the strongest no if or buts he doesn't need to lie after all he is above all of them.

Now I will like for the x office in particular Duggan to justify his claim to set you all at peace. He stated that she is the most powerful and he stated she is the omega's omega. So he now has to prove it not to me but to all the people who can't believe said statements. Because even as kyss and others pointed out she has yet to redeem herself against thor. This is the reason she being the omega weather manipulator was still a topic for debate. Thor has made temporal storms and beaten multiversal storms. Storm has yet to prove why she is the strongest weather manipulator in all of comics.

[QUOTE=dirtynun;5473666]While that is true he is just a normal human being whose true power comes from knowledge squired. He still has said knowledge. As I stated before knull has extremely intimate access to the knowledge of all his avatars. So being in possession of strange doesn't change that fact. His occult knowledge is still accessible to knull at while he is possessed.

I also pointed out he is a primordial entity. He predates most if not all things. If he states that this person is strongest the person is the strongest no if or buts he doesn't need to lie after all he is above all of them.

Now I will like for the x office in particular Duggan to justify his claim to set you all at peace. He stated that she is the most powerful and he stated she is the omega's omega. So he now has to prove it not to me but to all the people who can't believe said statements. Because even as kyss and others pointed out she has yet to redeem herself against thor. This is the reason she being the omega weather manipulator was still a topic for debate. Thor has made temporal storms and beaten multiversal storms. Storm has yet to prove why she is the strongest weather manipulator in all of comics.[/QUOTE]

(Ok, it’s all fine and dandy but Strange never became one of knull’s AVATARS, a term specifically used by the dark god, Stephen was trapped in a containment bubble atop the empire state building to avoid any spellcasting on his part, he was never possessed and never acted on knull’s behalf.)

I agree with you, when it comes to Ororo it is TIME TO SHOW and not just tell, have her fight an enraged hulk and win, that is bound to shut up everyone, has she met Thanos? (Life could use a champion), give her some durability (it is needed to avoid the glass canon argument), she needs to either heal fast or be gun shot resistant, give her a method to survive in the vacuum of space, give her a method to travel in space under her own power(space is vast, speed is needed), what if someone teleports her to another dimension with no external means to come back? (Maybe her jewel can be useful), it’s her turn to smack galactus (everyone else did it), show saturnine who’s boss (betsy is going too soft on her), next time the russians use a mutant dampening tech on Ororo make her godly power take over(bring on the elemental might, “avatar state” is the way), finally start to show her in future stories like it was done for logan, thor, hulk, emma frost, namor ( the message should pass : she’s here to stay, not a temporary fluke).

Give Ororo A SOLO SERIES (how many times did they restart captain marvel, give Ororo the same dedication) and SOLO MOVIE (this need to happen, BP and CM showed us it can and it should be done).

after seeing the books that were announced im not seeing these big plans the xoffices allegedly have for Storm.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5474179]after seeing the books that were announced im not seeing these big plans the xoffices allegedly have for Storm.[/QUOTE]

not surprising since we haven't seen anything from the books yet.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5474182]not surprising since we haven't seen anything from the books yet.[/QUOTE]

its starting to feel like lip service all over again after she split with tchalla at the end of avx. however, you're right cant say I'm surprised.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5474193]its starting to feel like lip service all over again after she split with tchalla at the end of avx. however, you're right cant say I'm surprised.[/QUOTE]

Cool it's been lipservice e verywhere. The BP office. Show me the solos, or the books or the count of books she was in as opposed to how many she been in in this era and they did try a solo so eh. it's lipservice from everybody. Not a single person, black white brown, BP, Xmen when they had her gave her her own shine or her own book. So either they all lying about what they think of her including coates or someone somewhere higher than the x-office and bp office been blocking these so called projects. At least here i'm getting content i enjoy.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5474206]Cool it's been lipservice e verywhere. The BP office. Show me the solos, or the books or the count of books she was in as opposed to how many she been in in this era and they did try a solo so eh. it's lipservice from everybody. Not a single person, black white brown, BP, Xmen when they had her gave her her own shine or her own book. So either they all lying about what they think of her including coates or someone somewhere higher than the x-office and bp office been blocking these so called projects. At least here i'm getting content i enjoy.[/QUOTE]

Storm’s likely not getting a solo til Hickman’s done with his story. I know for a damn fact Coates isn’t writing anything in the current X-Men era and it seems unlikely that Storm’s “epic” arc is gonna take her solo so much as it will put her on a new path with a new team. I wouldn’t be surprised if she ends up with Scott and Jean on the new X-Men team or maybe she becomes the Krakoan representative to SWORD.

Ewing did say that Krakoa had rotating members of the Quiet Council work with that organization, maybe he has something planned for her if she replaces Magneto, as we know from the Reign of X teaser image that she ends up in possession of whatever the team got in issue #1. That’s a writer that knows how to put respect on black characters’ names so Storm would be in good hands. But besides that stuff, I think Storm’s had decent enough moments post XOS. The thing with Callisto in Marauders was fine and the Shi’ar Empire adventure was cool. Storm certainly is getting used more even if there isn’t much in the way of a meaty character arc or leadership position. I’m much more confident in her future going forward since it appears Hickman himself is directing where she ends up.

[QUOTE=Daedra;5473769](Ok, itÂ’s all fine and dandy but Strange never became one of knullÂ’s AVATARS, a term specifically used by the dark god, Stephen was trapped in a containment bubble atop the empire state building to avoid any spellcasting on his part, he was never possessed and never acted on knullÂ’s behalf.)

I agree with you, when it comes to Ororo it is TIME TO SHOW and not just tell, have her fight an enraged hulk and win, that is bound to shut up everyone, has she met Thanos? (Life could use a champion), give her some durability (it is needed to avoid the glass canon argument), she needs to either heal fast or be gun shot resistant, give her a method to survive in the vacuum of space, give her a method to travel in space under her own power(space is vast, speed is needed), what if someone teleports her to another dimension with no external means to come back? (Maybe her jewel can be useful), it’s her turn to smack galactus (everyone else did it), show saturnine who’s boss (betsy is going too soft on her), next time the russians use a mutant dampening tech on Ororo make her godly power take over(bring on the elemental might, “avatar state” is the way), finally start to show her in future stories like it was done for logan, thor, hulk, emma frost, namor ( the message should pass : she’s here to stay, not a temporary fluke).

Give Ororo A SOLO SERIES (how many times did they restart captain marvel, give Ororo the same dedication) and SOLO MOVIE (this need to happen, BP and CM showed us it can and it should be done).[/QUOTE]

I want a solo toooo. It's the only way I feel the character can be explored. I feel she is too big to fit the team. Her powerset is just tooo convineint for any situation. Plus her divinity and heritage needs to get fleshed out ten weeks ago. It is sad but the truth is comics by their very nature is a male power fantasy a white one at that. It feels subliminal so it's barely noticeable but it's true. And that is not an attack I mean we write stories largely from our world view and perspectives. And that has been lost on storm. She has a lineage not just a clan. Divine power and high priesthood passed on to her. Her roots go all the way back to the dawn of atlantis, she is black, woman and a mutant. All these things gives rise to a rich well of stories just waiting to be told. But as usual white male relatability and if lucky white female relatability shall be sold to us.

[QUOTE=chief12d;5474239]Storm’s likely not getting a solo til Hickman’s done with his story. I know for a damn fact Coates isn’t writing anything in the current X-Men era and it seems unlikely that Storm’s “epic” arc is gonna take her solo so much as it will put her on a new path with a new team. I wouldn’t be surprised if she ends up with Scott and Jean on the new X-Men team or maybe she becomes the Krakoan representative to SWORD.

Ewing did say that Krakoa had rotating members of the Quiet Council work with that organization, maybe he has something planned for her if she replaces Magneto, as we know from the Reign of X teaser image that she ends up in possession of whatever the team got in issue #1. That’s a writer that knows how to put respect on black characters’ names so Storm would be in good hands. But besides that stuff, I think Storm’s had decent enough moments post XOS. The thing with Callisto in Marauders was fine and the Shi’ar Empire adventure was cool. Storm certainly is getting used more even if there isn’t much in the way of a meaty character arc or leadership position. I’m much more confident in her future going forward since it appears Hickman himself is directing where she ends up.[/QUOTE]

I don't doubt that it's coming. I honestly don't and for me a solo will be a bonus i like the x-men not just storm but luckily Storm has been all over the place and many have said they want to write her and they seem to be doing so.

I was also reading about the new penguin publisher, Tyne Hunter, apparently she is a fan of comics and BP in particular and a woman of color. [IMG]https://bleedingcool.com/comics/tyne-hunter-new-face-marvel-comics-penguin-random-house/[/IMG]

Sometimes i have to remind myself a lot of these fans aren't American and so even if they are people of color their experience is so unique from my own that i get a bit thrown off. lol

[QUOTE=jwatson;5474206]Cool it's been lipservice e verywhere. The BP office. Show me the solos, or the books or the count of books she was in as opposed to how many she been in in this era and they did try a solo so eh. it's lipservice from everybody. Not a single person, black white brown, BP, Xmen when they had her gave her her own shine or her own book. So either they all lying about what they think of her including coates or someone somewhere higher than the x-office and bp office been blocking these so called projects. At least here i'm getting content i enjoy.[/QUOTE]

I'm not quite im following you. What happens in BP isn't relevant to what storm is doing as she is a property of the xmen. The xoffices mentioned they had big plans for her and regardless of how good the content is where is the follow on actually showing us this? BW has a solo, captain marvel, I hear even silk has one but one of the biggest characters does not? Also I dont care about lip service everywhere whataboutism doesn't excise the xoffices not following through on their big plans for storm.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5474322]I'm not quite im following you. What happens in BP isn't relevant to what storm is doing as she is a property of the xmen. The xoffices mentioned they had big plans for her and regardless of how good the content is where is the follow on actually showing us this? BW has a solo, captain marvel, I hear even silk has one but one of the biggest characters does does not? Also I dont care about lip service everywhere whataboutism doesn't excise the xoffices not following through on their big plans for storm.[/QUOTE]

Then i am confused, if what the BP office does isn't relevant why are we talking about it on the x-side. IS there no Ororo thread on the BP side that would reflect where those stories should matter then. but ok.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5474362]Then i am confused, if what the BP office does isn't relevant why are we talking about it on the x-side. IS there no Ororo thread on the BP side that would reflect where those stories should matter then. but ok.[/QUOTE]

the xoffices are not even referring to the bp stories. they claimed they needed to wait until Coates was done with his story so they could tell the story they wanted to about storm. so that is why it isn't relevant. Though I'm sure some would like to Coates can't be blamed for this one.

we know and see what they are doing with kitty, with Scott, with betsy, with jean, with Kurt . they have nearly the year mapped out and still nothing for her.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5474391]the xoffices are not even referring to the bp stories. they claimed they needed to wait until Coates was done with his story so they could tell the story they wanted to about storm. so that is why it isn't relevant. Though I'm sure some would like to Coates can't be blamed for this one.

we know and see what they are doing with kitty, with Scott, with betsy, with jean, with Kurt . they have nearly the year mapped out and still nothing for her.[/QUOTE]

from my view there is no one to blame for anything. i'm getting what i want and enjoying it. But i understand they aren't delivering what you want and expect and can understand that might be frustrating.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5474287]I don't doubt that it's coming. I honestly don't and for me a solo will be a bonus i like the x-men not just storm but luckily Storm has been all over the place and many have said they want to write her and they seem to be doing so.

I was also reading about the new penguin publisher, Tyne Hunter, apparently she is a fan of comics and BP in particular and a woman of color. [IMG]https://bleedingcool.com/comics/tyne-hunter-new-face-marvel-comics-penguin-random-house/[/IMG]

Sometimes i have to remind myself a lot of these fans aren't American and so even if they are people of color their experience is so unique from my own that i get a bit thrown off. lol[/QUOTE]

Yup I don’t need a Storm solo and I’m mostly satisfied with what we’ve gotten so far as long as the X-Office keeps Wakanda out they mouth and she can be given a decent role, both of which seem to be happening lol. My hope going forward is that she gets to chaperone a new aspect of the Krakoan status quo like how Emma’s handling the geopolitical stuff and how Beast takes care of the espionage side. If Storm can carve out a new niche for herself with a couple of other cool characters while she gets some decent character work I’m happy and this upcoming arc seems like it’s gonna lay the foundation for that moving forward. I get being frustrated about no solo but as you said I don’t think that’s the end all be all of where the character can go.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5474425]from my view there is no one to blame for anything. i'm getting what i want and enjoying it. But i understand they aren't delivering what you want and expect and can understand that might be frustrating.[/QUOTE]

yes it is frustrating for me and other storm fans (no here lol) as well. but as you stated and which I agree with it is not surprising.

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where is this from?

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5474605]where is this from?[/QUOTE]

children of the atom 2

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5474605]where is this from?[/QUOTE]

Storm letting Cap know. From Cota# 2. I love how she is hovering over them and then when she lands she is still looking down on them. lol

[QUOTE=Daedra;5474613]children of the atom 2[/QUOTE]

oh eeek... thanks lol

I like seeing her in her old costume that's cute

[QUOTE=jwatson;5474625]Storm letting Cap know. From Cota# 2. I love how she is hovering over them and then when she lands she is still looking down on them. lol[/QUOTE]

yea that was cute seeing her hover over them.

Is Storm's costume in that preview white or is it black?

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5474655]Is Storm's costume in that preview white or is it black?[/QUOTE]

wasn't it always silver?

No. It was initially black until a colourist got it wrong and coloured it all-white for TAS and it became the default colour for 90's costume. In those panels looks Black at first and then it looks white.

[QUOTE=Daedra;5474664]wasn't it always silver?[/QUOTE]

I think it was black; I don't think in 616 it was every silver. maybe it was when she made an appearance in Wolverine solo book.


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ehhh it looks like it could be silver.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5474669]No. It was initially black until a colourist got it wrong and coloured it all-white for TAS and it became the default colour for 90's costume. In those panels looks Black at first and then it looks white.[/QUOTE]

This is from my copy of 1990 x-men 1-2 it’s always been silver to me

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It was initially black. The highlights (the white bits) was just how the colourist depicted light hitting and reflecting off it. As with the Outback costume Kyss posted.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5474749]This is from my copy of 1990 x-men 1-2 it’s always been silver to me

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it's funny how 90s storm i thought was the quintessential storm but it was not until many years later I found out how wrong I was. in fact this was the start of her demise. the irony of it right? lol

This is silver

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[QUOTE=Daedra;5474770]This is silver

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I thought there was another costume that was black when she had shorter hair before thus period but I would agree it is white/silver and the the black is probably just shadows.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5474769]it's funny how 90s storm i thought was the quintessential storm but it was not until many years later I found out how wrong I was. in fact this was the start of her demise. the irony of it right? lol[/QUOTE]

When we lost Claremont we lost many things we used to take for granted as x-men fans, some of us didn’t know how good we had it compared to other comics

Hmm. I always saw it as shiny/reflective black as a variation of her Outback look.

Black, silver or white it's still my least favourite Storm costume.

[QUOTE=Daedra;5474781]When we lost Claremont we lost many things we used to take for granted as x-men fans, some of us didn’t know how good we had it compared to other comics[/QUOTE]

I actually discovered Claremont storm much later in life. I started back from the very first issue of xmen and worked my way up to giant size. his stories were so captivating. I seriously couldn't stop reading. when I got to lobdell it was definitely a shift in the wrong direction. that said looking in hindsight his work i think was definitely taken for granted though I know many fans did like the 90s period.

ok the preview of CotA looks decent, I'll give the book a chance despite how much I hate the babysitter role that the X-office throws at Storm.

We definitely need a chronological costume gallery all in one picture, I’m just now remembering stuff from the outback era

[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5474806]ok the preview of CotA looks decent, I'll give the book a chance despite how much I hate the babysitter role that the X-office throws at Storm.[/QUOTE]

someone on the preview thread said perfectly what I felt about it. I'm tired of the forced avengers versus xmen stuff. storm came off like a b!tch for no reason.