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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5545737]There's a time and a place. Omegas are not going full-on omega all day every day. There really is no point to do that as it would be a poor use of effort and energy. Imagine, calling down a galactic core to deal with a few thugs with guns? Storm (as with the other Omegas) has shown her range and potential when and where the moments call for it.[/QUOTE]
Tbh they can showcase Storm’s Omega Level weather manipulation by giving her a solo and potentially a cosmic level threat to go up against. (And I know she’s defeated powerful opponents like Uovu and Adversary but I mean without the help of Stormbreaker or her Godhood. I want it to specifically be about her omega level weather manipulation) I do agree with what you’re saying though. Omega Level mutants have power levels that are undefinable and possibly limitless so if they wanted to they could effect the entire galaxy or universe. But X Office isn't gonna have the X-Men destroy the galaxy or universe. So they have to dim their powers down a bit.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5545722]I could be wrong but it seems like you want feats and stuff to use them in battles against other people. I just honestly am trying to understand it and searching my mind real hard to but i really don't get it. Feat alone doesn't add or take anything away from a story. Storm has mostly been on earth when she is not we always see her powers used in more creative ways. I guess i just don't get it, over the years Storm has had more big feats than i think any x-man ever.[/QUOTE]
Not really I enjoy seeing her as a charachter grow generally both in power and in charachter. Maybe it's just me but I get bored quickly with repetitive things and will like things to be spiced up once ever while. I am not saying storm can't be lightning lass I get why lightning is a go to thing it's quick effective and can put most foes down but it's too much, it gets to a point it become predictable you know how she would do what she does. Plus she herself using lightning 24/7 is not even in charachter she is a seasoned fighter she knows full well lightning won't do against some foes but you see her using this it against said foes and you are likeO_o. Like I don't even want the big cosmic stuff I enjoy more nuanced aspects to her power like the electrolysis field to produce oxygen underwater. Does she incorporate it in her cooking, her cleaning practically her everyday life. When she has a drink does she regulate it's temperature to keep it warm or cool like the small stuff. I just want her to be more than a lightning thrower and occasionally cosmic shaker because I like all of us here know she is way more than that.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5545737]There's a time and a place. Omegas are not going full-on omega all day every day. There really is no point to do that as it would be a poor use of effort and energy. Imagine, calling down a galactic core to deal with a few thugs with guns? Storm (as with the other Omegas) has shown her range and potential when and where the moments call for it.[/QUOTE]
I think you do not understand me by that I mean controlling other stuff aside lightning. Like the little things that lead to the big galactic stuff because like I said non omega mutants can also do some crazy shit too. The galactic core feat has her interacting with soo many energies at once all these in get arsenal yet always for almost everything we get lightning bolt. Like that is all what weather is. How about radiant energy, chemical energy all these abilities just sitting there an example of a moment I like is when she sculpts water into jeans face it's not omega powerful enough hydrokinetic a can do it but it's nice to be shown that she has range rather than just simple lightning strikes and when we get lucky wind. I don't know why I am the only one with a problem with this.
Oh ohk good for him.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5545764]Not really I enjoy seeing her as a charachter grow generally both in power and in charachter. Maybe it's just me but I get bored quickly with repetitive things and will like things to be spiced up once ever while. I am not saying storm can't be lightning lass I get why lightning is a go to thing it's quick effective and can put most fire down but it's too much, it gets to a point it become predictable you know how she would do what she does. Plus she herself using lightning 24/7 is not even in charachter she is a seasoned fighter she knows full well lightning won't do against some foes but you see her using this it against said foes and you are likeO_o. Like I don't even want the big cosmic stuff I enjoy more nuanced aspects to her power like the electrolysis field to produce oxygen underwater. Does she incorporate it in her cooking, her cleaning practically her everyday life. When she has a drink does she regulate it's temperature to keep it warm or cool like the small stuff. I just want her to be more than a lightning thrower and occasionally cosmic shaker because I like all of us here know she is way more than that.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the response this actually makes perfect sense to me and i would love to see those things too. I think for me my mind fills in a lot of blanks like she uses wind every time she is flying ,etc. In this era in particular we have seen her use her powers a lot of ways consistently. I definitely can see your point though and i do think that is more for a solo or clear directive book based on Storm's message sort of like Way of X with nightcrawler. There is no doubt that is a nightcrawler book and in this world i'm okay with those kinds of "solos" Which is what i'm hoping for for Storm.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5545775]Thanks for the response this actually makes perfect sense to me and i would love to see those things too. I think for me my mind fills in a lot of blanks like she uses wind every time she is flying ,etc. In this era in particular we have seen her use her powers a lot of ways consistently. I definitely can see your point though and i do think that is more for a solo or clear directive book based on Storm's message sort of like Way of X with nightcrawler. There is no doubt that is a nightcrawler book and in this world i'm okay with those kinds of "solos" Which is what i'm hoping for for Storm.[/QUOTE]
Exactly all I want is for her to be explored fully not just her godhood but her omega side too. Her family among others I just want to see her grow her bonkers established and firmly planted and her sense of self deepen even more. I loved giant size where she stated she would rather die than be resurected that was powerful it stated who she was and how she values her life and autonomy at the sametime how she respects others and their decisions to undergo resurection.
Like kyss asked do we know why she is omega aside the data pages and I stated frankly that I don't. Maybe the rest of the statement was off but a fact like legion being omega because his personalities are infinite and he has a power with each is something that we as storm fans can agree we want defined about storm. But then again some might enjoy the mystery infact I could respect both.
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I get what you're saying DN...but in all fairness her prolifically consistent use of lightning over the past decade as Lightning Lass can be solely attributed to the lack of imagination from the writers during that period who clearly didn't know or didn't care enough to do more than that.
And while LL has made a few appearances in this era, Storm has shown greater range including her hand-to-hand.
And yes,it's nice to think that she keeps her tea steaming hot and her champagne perfectly chilled but that means actively using the powers practically 24/7...I can see how that would be draining and even a bit tiresome to even someone of Storm calibre. My personal take on it is Yes, these Omegas have virtually limitless power but I think some of them would enjoy just being human in those moments when they don't have to. Like Storm taking a casual stroll through the Botanical gardens to connect with nature.
Plus, as Idio, said...busting out the OL feat can have serious physical implications for her (as with the G-Core feat that nearly killed her and the pressure dome feat that incapacitated her) and for the environment around her (RogueStorm.) So it's best to use those sparingly.
I get wanting that solo series to showcase those kinds of OL feats but...personally, I like Storm just being a "regular" bad-ass. It makes me savour those OL moments when they occur that much more.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5545824]I get what you're saying DN...but in all fairness her prolifically consistent use of lightning over the past decade as Lightning Lass can be solely attributed to the lack of imagination from the writers during that period who clearly didn't know or didn't care enough to do more than that.
And while LL has made a few appearances in this era, Storm has shown greater range including her hand-to-hand.
And yes,it's nice to think that she keeps her tea steaming hot and her champagne perfectly chilled but that means actively using the powers practically 24/7...I can see how that would be draining and even a bit tiresome to even someone of Storm calibre. My personal take on it is Yes, these Omegas have virtually limitless power but I think some of them would enjoy just being human in those moments when they don't have to. Like Storm taking a casual stroll through the Botanical gardens to connect with nature.
Plus, as Idio, said...busting out the OL feat can have serious physical implications for her (as with the G-Core feat that nearly killed her and the pressure dome feat that incapacitated her) and for the environment around her (RogueStorm.) So it's best to use those sparingly.
I get wanting that solo series to showcase those kinds of OL feats but...personally, I like Storm just being a "regular" bad-ass. It makes me savour those OL moments when they occur that much more.[/QUOTE]
So this is beautifully said and I understand your point.
But I want to know your view on kyss's question do you know why she is omega aside the data pages.
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Honestly all this discussion about "feats" and Omega is why people don't take us Storm fans seriously.
Do I enjoy seeing creative use of her power? Of course. Do I want her to be better at moving metal than Magneto and better at manipulating ice than Iceman to show she's the Omega Omega? No, I couldn't give a shit and I find those sort of fans pretty juvenile.
What I want, and what really matters is for Storm to be given a consistent voice, a strong POV and quality character development, which she hasn't had in decades.
Look at Scott, Kitty and Emma. Sure all 3 are powerhouse mutants and combatants, but aren't Omegas, but ultimately have had tons of focus and character development over the last ten years, probably the top 3 in that order because all 3 have strong POV's and consistent character voices. This is what we should be fighting for.
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[QUOTE=OmegaStorm87;5545840]Honestly all this discussion about "feats" and Omega is why people don't take us Storm fans seriously.
Do I enjoy seeing creative use of her power? Of course. Do I want her to be better at moving metal than Magneto and better at manipulating ice than Iceman to show she's the Omega Omega? No, I couldn't give a shit and I find those sort of fans pretty juvenile.
What I want, and what really matters is for Storm to be given a consistent voice, a strong POV and quality character development, which she hasn't had in decades.
Look at Scott, Kitty and Emma. Sure all 3 are powerhouse mutants and combatants, but aren't Omegas, but ultimately have had tons of focus and character development over the last ten years, probably the top 3 in that order because all 3 have strong POV's and consistent character voices. This is what we should be fighting for.[/QUOTE]
Very true. Couldn't agree more. Hopefully we get both when the book shes supposed to star in drops.
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[QUOTE=OmegaStorm87;5545840]Honestly all this discussion about "feats" and Omega is why people don't take us Storm fans seriously.
Do I enjoy seeing creative use of her power? Of course. Do I want her to be better at moving metal than Magneto and better at manipulating ice than Iceman to show she's the Omega Omega? No, I couldn't give a shit and I find those sort of fans pretty juvenile.
What I want, and what really matters is for Storm to be given a consistent voice, a strong POV and quality character development, which she hasn't had in decades.
Look at Scott, Kitty and Emma. Sure all 3 are powerhouse mutants and combatants, but aren't Omegas, but ultimately have had tons of focus and character development over the last ten years, probably the top 3 in that order because all 3 have strong POV's and consistent character voices. This is what we should be fighting for.[/QUOTE]
I agree with a lot of this but all 3 characters you named also got creative power usage along side having a strong POV and voice. None of these objectives need to be mutually exclusive. They just had writers who were more interested in them. The best stories for me tend to mix all 3 things up to keep it fresh. Personally I’ve really enjoyed what we’ve got from Storm in this era and hoping for her to be a major driver during RoX and after.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5545830]So this is beautifully said and I understand your point.
But I want to know your view on kyss's question do you know why she is omega aside the data pages.[/QUOTE]
To Kyss' question...
Going by the canonical description of what an OL mutant is...Storm has many times shown that she can transcend the boundaries of her mutant abilities far exceeding what she herself and others may think she's capable of...with the feats to prove it. The G-Core feat. The Trion feat. Hosting Eternity. Going RogueStorm. And while they've never officially referred to or acknowledged them as such, those are obvious OL bad-assery, right there.
How can you [I]not[/I] know she's OL or always had the potential to be Omega?
The real question is: Why they did they wait so long to acknowledge it?
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5545886]To Kyss' question...
Going by the canonical description of what an OL mutant is...Storm has many times shown that she can transcend the boundaries of her mutant abilities far exceeding what she herself and others may think she's capable of...with the feats to prove it. The G-Core feat. The Trion feat. Hosting Eternity. Going RogueStorm. And while they've never officially referred to or acknowledged them as such, those are obvious OL bad-assery, right there.
How can you [I]not[/I] know she's OL or always had the potential to be Omega?
The real question is: Why they did they wait so long to acknowledge it?[/QUOTE]
Not to mention that time she took out Cyclops when he was literally half way around the world.
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[QUOTE=loke13;5545906]Not to mention that time she took out Cyclops when he was literally half way around the world.[/QUOTE]
That was cool
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5545886]To Kyss' question...
Going by the canonical description of what an OL mutant is...Storm has many times shown that she can transcend the boundaries of her mutant abilities far exceeding what she herself and others may think she's capable of...with the feats to prove it. The G-Core feat. The Trion feat. Hosting Eternity. Going RogueStorm. And while they've never officially referred to or acknowledged them as such, those are obvious OL bad-assery, right there.
How can you [I]not[/I] know she's OL or always had the potential to be Omega?
The real question is: Why they did they wait so long to acknowledge it?[/QUOTE]
True I mean it has always been stated that she has practically limitless potential.
[QUOTE=OmegaStorm87;5545840]Honestly all this discussion about "feats" and Omega is why people don't take us Storm fans seriously.
Do I enjoy seeing creative use of her power? Of course. Do I want her to be better at moving metal than Magneto and better at manipulating ice than Iceman to show she's the Omega Omega? No, I couldn't give a shit and I find those sort of fans pretty juvenile.
What I want, and what really matters is for Storm to be given a consistent voice, a strong POV and quality character development, which she hasn't had in decades.
Look at Scott, Kitty and Emma. Sure all 3 are powerhouse mutants and combatants, but aren't Omegas, but ultimately have had tons of focus and character development over the last ten years, probably the top 3 in that order because all 3 have strong POV's and consistent character voices. This is what we should be fighting for.[/QUOTE]
I guess you are late to the storm needs a solo party.
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[QUOTE=loke13;5545906]Not to mention that time she took out Cyclops when he was literally half way around the world.[/QUOTE]
Yes, eh! That was pure awesomeness.
(And a sort of precursor to her feat in BP when she took out the galactic spaceships which was a far more impressive showing than her going "Goddess" and one-shotting the Adversary...imho)
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5545956]Yes, eh! That was pure awesomeness.
(And a sort of precursor to her feat in BP when she took out the galactic spaceships which was a far more impressive showing than her going "Goddess" and one-shotting the Adversary...imho)[/QUOTE]
Yh I forget that one happened. Coates has really done much for storm now let's hope Hickman does same and more for her charachter. I mean I still get nightmares from IvX Medusa talking down on storm in the open confidently will never sit right with my spirit.
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Please...Let's never be diving into cesspits looking for treasure. LOL
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5545586]I am going to be frank about this, Nope! Like yh rouge storm is all cool and all but like why is she an omega level mutant. Aside from the data pages and the description of having no upper limit what has she done to feel omega. Like storm feels like a powerful mutant but omega? Hmmm, cause Thor has done some pretty wild things with the weather and has even created a temporal storm, meanwhile storm has been throwing lightning and wind if she gets lucky. Like yh she has feats but the constant low-ball by the xoffice I think has done too much damage. It will take a miracle for her moniker as goddess or omega level mutant to hold weight, this I believe will come with a solo or a book series focusing on her.
Also the planet size covers don't have me excited, like from what we have seen from marauders being on the cover doesn't equate actually doing something in the book. I will only feel free to get excited when the book comes and she does something other than wind, lightning or rain and from the looks of the variants well that ain't happening. Or gets some charachter moments. Otherwise I just think storm will just be modeling in this one I am afraid.[/QUOTE]
I can think of a few pre-hickman instances that would definitely qualify as an omega level feat but in regards to the hickman era showings I can't give you one. the question was posed originally to show the contrast between the expectations from Coates writing and the xwriters. Some storm fans complained that Coates didn't explain how Coates was a goddess yet I dont see similar complaints around her being an omega. Its been well over a year and we still do not know this. It would appear some critics are more forgiving depending on the writer.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5545577]Those arts are absolutely amazing! I loved the comet-like one, I think it is a hint for her space adventure! Oh, please, please, please make her fly on her own at high speed in Space! :D This is one of the things I ask for, desperately!
Am I mistaken or do we see suns in the background on both covers. Clearly, something is with blinding light behind Storm in the first cover and in the second one, we see like a liquified substance, sun-like texture behind the four in the second cover.
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Yes I think dipter first pointed out the comet look. I will be curious to see if she will do anything in space unassisted using her own abilities. It would be cool to see her create an atmospheric bubble that allows her to breathe in space.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5545665]They want her to bend reality at a whim lol. I don’t see the big deal, the X-Office has put consistent respect on Storm’s name when it comes to her power level in this era. She’s one of their biggest guns by far.[/QUOTE]
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says the one who thinks tchalla should be able to defeat adversary by himself.
pot and kettle???
[QUOTE=jwatson;5545714]They did, Storm used the building blocks of the world and changed them making wind where there was none. Thor can't do that, his wind would still just be normal wind not creating weather conditions on a world that doesn't really have them using it's own laws of physics. I'm expecting the omega's to provide storm with the raw elements she needs and then she coalesces and sculpts those powers together to terraform. Could she do it on her own? most likely but it really doesn't make sense to.[/QUOTE]
actually thor should be able to create any weather effect with his abilities even if there is nothing
[QUOTE=OmegaStorm87;5545840]Honestly all this discussion about "feats" and Omega is why people don't take us Storm fans seriously.
Do I enjoy seeing creative use of her power? Of course. Do I want her to be better at moving metal than Magneto and better at manipulating ice than Iceman to show she's the Omega Omega? No, I couldn't give a shit and I find those sort of fans pretty juvenile.
What I want, and what really matters is for Storm to be given a consistent voice, a strong POV and quality character development, which she hasn't had in decades.
Look at Scott, Kitty and Emma. Sure all 3 are powerhouse mutants and combatants, but aren't Omegas, but ultimately have had tons of focus and character development over the last ten years, probably the top 3 in that order because all 3 have strong POV's and consistent character voices. This is what we should be fighting for.[/QUOTE]
by the goddess. where did anyone say that they were ONLY concerned with her as an omega? Its one aspect of many criticisms that have been offered regarding how the xwriters write her. in fact literally just yesterday I made a list of areas related to her character, including her being an African American woman, that are never explored by the X-offices and how all xoffice stories regarding her are regulated to her being a mutant. so please don't use this topic of discussion which is a fair one to shade her fandom. its not accurate nor is it necessary.
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[QUOTE=OmegaStorm87;5545840]Honestly all this discussion about "feats" and Omega is why people don't take us Storm fans seriously.
Do I enjoy seeing creative use of her power? Of course. Do I want her to be better at moving metal than Magneto and better at manipulating ice than Iceman to show she's the Omega Omega? No, I couldn't give a shit and I find those sort of fans pretty juvenile.
What I want, and what really matters is for Storm to be given a consistent voice, a strong POV and quality character development, which she hasn't had in decades.
Look at Scott, Kitty and Emma. Sure all 3 are powerhouse mutants and combatants, but aren't Omegas, but ultimately have had tons of focus and character development over the last ten years, probably the top 3 in that order because all 3 have strong POV's and consistent character voices. This is what we should be fighting for.[/QUOTE]
Thank you! At this point it sounds like the fans are being greedy. How many years have we been waiting for her to finally be confirmed as Omega? Now it's barely been 2yrs and the fans want all kinds of Omega level feats to be done. If she did that then what would we have to look forward to? She already charged her fist with electricity and shut down Callisto's heart killing her instantly. I'm fine with her omega feats being taken easy. I love how Marvel is building up her character and reputation before showing what awesome powers she has. It's all a build up so we just have to wait like we waited for her to be confirmed Omega. No big deal
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5545998]I can think of a few pre-hickman instances that would definitely qualify as an omega level feat but in regards to the hickman era showings I can't give you one. the question was posed originally to show the contrast between the expectations from Coates writing and the xwriters. Some storm fans complained that Coates didn't explain how Coates was a goddess yet I dont see similar complaints around her being an omega. Its been well over a year and we still do not know this. It would appear some critics are more forgiving depending on the writer.
Yes I think dipter first pointed out the comet look. I will be curious to see if she will do anything in space unassisted using her own abilities. It would be cool to see her create an atmospheric bubble that allows her to breathe in space.
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says the one who thinks tchalla should be able to defeat adversary by himself.
pot and kettle???
actually thor should be able to create any weather effect with his abilities even if there is nothing
by the goddess. where did anyone say that they were ONLY concerned with her as an omega? Its one aspect of many criticisms that have been offered regarding how the xwriters write her. in fact literally just yesterday I made a list of areas related to her character, including her being an African American woman, that are never explored by the X-offices and how all xoffice stories regarding her are regulated to her being a mutant. so please don't use this topic of discussion which is a fair one to shade her fandom. its not accurate nor is it necessary.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying Thor can create any sort of weather condition because i've never seen him create a storm out of machinery by directly manipulating it. So maybe we are thinking about two definitions of weather. I haven't seen thor manipulate an entire dimension like he was summoning a breeze. so i'm not sure what you mean. Their powers are completely different.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5544399]omg I was just going to mention that l. did you see the interview where she talks about storm? I can't find interview but if I come across it again I will post.
where did you get the gala cover from? I love it!!!!
yall I'm about to explode:
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I know she definitely mentioned it on mtv
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5546307]I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying Thor can create any sort of weather condition because i've never seen him create a storm out of machinery by directly manipulating it. So maybe we are thinking about two definitions of weather. I haven't seen thor manipulate an entire dimension like he was summoning a breeze. so i'm not sure what you mean. Their powers are completely different.[/QUOTE]
Thor wouldn't need to directly control the machinery. he would use his divine energy to make the wind appear from nothing. storm has to work within the energies/forces available, whereas thor creates weather whether the conditions allow for it or not. I've seen some recent thor feats that were very very impressive. he used his powers to destroy pillars of a universe.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5546320]Thor wouldn't need to directly control the machinery. he would use his divine energy to make the wind appear from nothing. storm has to work within the energies/forces available, whereas thor creates weather whether the conditions allow for it or not. I've seen some recent thor feats that were very very impressive. he used his powers to destroy pillars of a universe.
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1nE708XsAcAlrh?format=jpg&name=small[/img][/QUOTE]
Yh like I stated before his feats with the weather are very very impressive. Storm manipulating the machinery directly to create weather is very impressive in its own right and speak to her massive versatility. But in terms of sheer power I think we all agree Thor is way ahead when looking at fears. But that is because his solo career is very long if storm were to get a solo like that well you we all saw what she did in her last solo and it was just 14 issues.
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You are exactly right. They work in different ways to achieve the same goal. But the question would be what puts her above him in the weather category. Why is she the omega I know the definition is there but does this mean she inherently has the power to surpass Thor in such a fashion that she would totally eclipse him? Like kyss just demonstrated he is strong enough to destroy a whole foundation of a universe.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5546327]Yh like I stated before his feats with the weather are very very impressive. Storm manipulating the machinery directly to create weather is very impressive in its own right and speak to her massive versatility. But in terms of sheer power I think we all agree Thor is way ahead when looking at fears. But that is because his solo career is very long if storm were to get a solo like that well you we all saw what she did in her last solo and it was just 14 issues.[/QUOTE]
yea I love me some storm but aside from healing the Trion dimension I can't think of anything she has done to that level lol.
sidebar: still can't find the janet interview
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5546320]Thor wouldn't need to directly control the machinery. he would use his divine energy to make the wind appear from nothing. storm has to work within the energies/forces available, whereas thor creates weather whether the conditions allow for it or not. I've seen some recent thor feats that were very very impressive. he used his powers to destroy pillars of a universe.
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1nE708XsAcAlrh?format=jpg&name=small[/img][/QUOTE]
I still don't get what your saying. Their powers are still different. Thor controls weather as we know it or summons it. No matter where he is it will always be the same thing so he only really controls one type of weather. The effects may vary but it's the same thing so i honestly don't get it. He destroyed a universal pillar, ok?
Also by your own post thor doesn't have a infinite amount of ways to manipulate weather he only has one type that i've seen and it may have infinite strength but not infinite possibilities.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5546458]I still don't get what your saying. Their powers are still different. Thor controls weather as we know it or summons it. No matter where he is it will always be the same thing so he only really controls one type of weather. The effects may vary but it's the same thing so i honestly don't get it. He destroyed a universal pillar, ok?
Also by your own post thor doesn't have a infinite amount of ways to manipulate weather he only has one type that i've seen and it may have infinite strength but not infinite possibilities.[/QUOTE]
Ororo can't make weather effects naturally unless she has something there to work with (not talking hadari yao). That's why she used the bots via energy manipulation to create wind. Thor would just create actual wind as his divine abilities would allow him to do that. That scan is to show that his weather effects operate in unnatural ways where those effects do not exist.
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Thor can create weather Storm manipulates existing energies/forces that result in weather.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5546501]Ororo can't make weather effects naturally unless she has something there to work with (not talking hadari yao). That's why she used the bots via energy manipulation to create wind. Thor would just create actual wind as his divine abilities would allow him to do that. That scan is to show that his weather effects operate in unnatural ways where those effects do not exist.
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Thor can create weather storm manipulates existing energies/forces that result in weather.[/QUOTE]
I still don't get what your saying. Thor controls weather in one way despite how strong it is. Storm on the other can manipulate and create and infinite amount depending on where she is. So i guess i'm just going to step away from this because yeah. Legion is a power manipulator because he can call about an infinite amount of powers Storm can create and manipulate an inifinite amount of Storm's including Thor's but whatever makes you feel good i guess.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5546512]I still don't get what your saying. Thor controls weather in one way despite how strong it is. Storm on the other can manipulate and create and infinite amount depending on where she is. So i guess i'm just going to step away from this because yeah. Legion is a power manipulator because he can call about an infinite amount of powers Storm can create and manipulate an inifinite amount of Storm's including Thor's but whatever makes you feel good i guess.[/QUOTE]
Storm CANNOT create weather effects without the manipulation of existing energies/forces; there are conditions where she has broken the natural balance but she does this knowing it can do irreparable damage to the environment:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/N4JQaTzT188CFGQ-OtGD_LIufUMdNGrnNpQpx6aPtj6-USoT7rdnOY5Qccit8N1T27ezDHFZdDOuZDDad5dad15yIm_Jmvu0c_awydu-D38UMaPkCxIdDO22xFC0tAZRf8oXJw2kmA=s1600[/img]
Thor doesn't have to worry with balance or any of that. He can actually create storms and weather effects from nothing. He isnt working with existing forces/energies as storm does.
I'm not comparing their output of raw power. as you said in theory the weather display of storm should eclipse Thor as she is an omega.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5546377]yea I love me some storm but aside from healing the Trion dimension I can't think of anything she has done to that level lol.
sidebar: still can't find the janet interview[/QUOTE]
Ohhh is it the one she gushes over storm. I am looking for that one too.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5546561]Ohhh is it the one she gushes over storm. I am looking for that one too.[/QUOTE]
if you find please share it. I thought I posted it a while back but I can't find if now:/
in it she talks about being a young girl and being a fan of storm. she mentioned she used to collect the cards.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5546512]I still don't get what your saying. Thor controls weather in one way despite how strong it is. Storm on the other can manipulate and create and infinite amount depending on where she is. So i guess i'm just going to step away from this because yeah. Legion is a power manipulator because he can call about an infinite amount of powers Storm can create and manipulate an inifinite amount of Storm's including Thor's but whatever makes you feel good i guess.[/QUOTE]
All this you have said is true, he is ultimately beneath her capacity with the weather. But the thing is that Thor's showings are soooo impressive it makes it hard to gloss over him. Let's hope the goddess keeps getting her home runs as she deserves.
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I always thought that Storm could create Weather effects even when there weren't the resources, she would only resort to that if it was necessary like the with Jovian pressure, but of course doing something like this requires much more of her and could damage the ecosystem where she is since it's operating beyond his limits.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5546567]if you find please share it. I thought I posted it a while back but I can't find if now:/
in it she talks about being a young girl and being a fan of storm. she mentioned she used to collect the cards.[/QUOTE]
You did it was through that I got to know Janet was such a massive fan I am going back to precious post but I still can't find it.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5546599]All this you have said is true, he is ultimately beneath her capacity with the weather. But the thing is that Thor's showings are soooo impressive it makes it hard to gloss over him. Let's hope the goddess keeps getting her home runs as she deserves.[/QUOTE]
See we don't get to see this often because she is always concerned with balance and the types of enemies she faces. she doesn't need to create lightning to destroy a universe pillar because why? what scenario has she ever been in where such a thing would even be necessary lol.
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[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5546603]I always thought that Storm could create Weather effects even when there weren't the resources, she would only resort to that if it was necessary like the with Jovian pressure, but of course doing something like this requires much more of her and could damage the ecosystem where she is since it's operating beyond his limits.[/QUOTE]
I mean on that we do not know yet from the scan it looks as if storm herself doesn't even know her true capabilities. But as of now she can break the laws of nature at the expense of the environment yes.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5546609]See we don't get to see this often because she is always concerned with balance and the types of enemies she faces. she doesn't need to create lightning to destroy a universe pillar because why? what scenario has she ever been in where such a thing would even be necessary lol.[/QUOTE]
Yh you are right I think that's why many of us really are happy she is going to space so she can be challenged to push past her comfortzones. I mean I will like to see her manipulate a nebula but I guess I am dreaming too big
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5546535]Storm CANNOT create weather effects without the manipulation of existing energies/forces; there are conditions where she has broken the natural balance but she does this knowing it can do irreparable damage to the environment:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/N4JQaTzT188CFGQ-OtGD_LIufUMdNGrnNpQpx6aPtj6-USoT7rdnOY5Qccit8N1T27ezDHFZdDOuZDDad5dad15yIm_Jmvu0c_awydu-D38UMaPkCxIdDO22xFC0tAZRf8oXJw2kmA=s1600[/img]
Thor doesn't have to worry with balance or any of that. He can actually create storms and weather effects from nothing. He isnt working with existing forces/energies as storm does.
I'm not comparing their output of raw power. as you said in theory the weather display of storm should eclipse Thor as she is an omega.[/QUOTE]
But natural energy is always around us. There is no existence without energy so there is always energy for her to create a storm. So in that way i don't get what your saying. Thor summons magical storms so he doesn't effect the natural balance of things. Storm lives on earth, would you destroy your home? Storm can create weather effects on her own which is the definition of an omega.
Omega Level Mutant: A mutant whose dominant power is deemed to register – or reach – an undefinable upper limit of that power's specific classification. ... Note: Omega level is a classification of a single mutant power. While it is quite common that mutants manifest multiple powers, only one is normally of Omega level.
In weather manipulation no one can bend and control the actual natural forces of the universe to create weather and because of that those conditions will always be unique and unmatched in their breath. destroying a universal pillar i guess is nice but it doesn't do anything for me if i pit that against electrolysis for storm or storm destroying a universal pillar i will take the electrolysis 8 out of 10 times.
Thor and Storm just don't take anything away from each other. It's like apples and oranges. On the Divine power alone that is magic. Then if you get into a debate you'd have to bring in his now human/phoenix mother and then it's just all over the place. lol. That's not even touching the page you posted where it flat out says her gift is to control any storm. They can both exist.
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[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5546603]I always thought that Storm could create Weather effects even when there weren't the resources, she would only resort to that if it was necessary like the with Jovian pressure, but of course doing something like this requires much more of her and could damage the ecosystem where she is since it's operating beyond his limits.[/QUOTE]
I think this scan perfectly describes what's going on with her powers:
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she can for instant create a jovial pressure field in a given area but doing so could damage the environment to catastrophic conditions if care isn't utilized.
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Interesting chat.
On the comparison with Thor I agree with Kyss. I think this is the biggest distinction between their weather manipulation powers.
Even with the jovian pressure field Storm was still working w/ natural existing elemental forces but applied it in a way that is unnatural to the earth. Thor (not sure if I’ve ever seen him manipulate pressure) isn’t tied to the available materials in the atmosphere. He can produce weather effects that will manifest the same way no matter where he is vs Storm’s powers adapt/manifest effects based on what is in the environment.
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[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5546647]Interesting chat.
On the comparison with Thor I agree with Kyss. I think this is the biggest distinction between their weather manipulation powers.
Even with the jovian pressure field Storm was still working w/ natural existing elemental forces but applied it in a way that is unnatural to the earth. Thor (not sure if I’ve ever seen him manipulate pressure) isn’t tied to the available materials in the atmosphere. He can produce weather effects that will manifest the same way no matter where he is vs Storm’s powers adapt/manifest effects based on what is in the environment.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing aside lightning and wind I don't think he can actually manipulate the weather just manifest those effects anywhere any time. His most ultimate expression of his power is a cosmic thunderstorm which is just a subset of weather manipulation. Like I said storm can manipulate nebulas to create a lot of things Thor can't.
