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[QUOTE=Saturius;5474993]I am still not buying CoTA but I like what I saw of Storm in the preview. I liked this for the same reason I liked her XoS issue in Marauders. They are finally playing Storm with some edge, some grey areas of moral ambiguity Too often Storm is depicted as a paragon always in the right.
Claremont wasn't afraid to be a bit controversial with her. Subsequent writers have played it too safe with her for too long. It's about time they dirty her up a bit again. I honestly don't know if I think she went too far with Cap and the Avengers here. Was she too aggressive? Again I don't know, but I appreciate the ambiguity.[/QUOTE]
Erhm I am confused why are people saying she is aggressive? I think this is the problem for soo long people stifle black voices especially black women under the daunting stereotype that any form of expression is loud or aggressive or getho. They came into an embassy with a condescending tone which got quickly checked by mystique. Then proceeded to give threats and statements about how the children if the atom are violating law and all which in their part I agree. Their land their law. But remember mystique is no longer a common foot soldier she is a leader of a nation so is storm.when the avengers speak they must do so with respect. The fact that they felt comfortable enough to come into krakoa souvereigty and make demands like they had some power was absurd. Like it was pointed out to them they have no authority there.same as in utopia when the phoenix came but that's a whole can of worms. All I am saying is storm was in the right to check them. They aren't peers. She even told him to call her storm by stating she would thank him to do so. The problem is not with storm but their foolishness to come there in that way in the first place. But that is the writer's fault. Honestly I do not appreciate avenger presence in x-men spaces. But I do love interactions with the different characters. I know storm has some for of relationship with some of them especially carol even though she kinda sucks now.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5475274]Erhm I am confused why are people saying she is aggressive? I think this is the problem for soo long people stifle black voices especially black women under the daunting stereotype that any form of expression is loud or aggressive or getho. They came into an embassy with a condescending tone which got quickly checked by mystique. Then proceeded to give threats and statements about how the children if the atom are violating law and all which in their part I agree. Their land their law. But remember mystique is no longer a common foot soldier she is a leader of a nation so is storm.when the avengers speak they must do so with respect. The fact that they felt comfortable enough to come into krakoa souvereigty and make demands like they had some power was absurd. Like it was pointed out to them they have no authority there.same as in utopia when the phoenix came but that's a whole can of worms. All I am saying is storm was in the right to check them. They aren't peers. She even told him to call her storm by stating she would thank him to do so. The problem is not with storm but their foolishness to come there in that way in the first place. But that is the writer's fault. Honestly I do not appreciate avenger presence in x-men spaces. But I do love interactions with the different characters. I know storm has some for of relationship with some of them especially carol even though she kinda sucks now.[/QUOTE]
maybe aggressive is not the right term but overly adversarial. when she told Xavier here very assertively she would not steal for him any longer the retort felt appropriate.
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in the preview she is asking someone she has worked with many times to refer to her as storm, as if they were strangers and in that company is carol who is a friend. why the need to be combative knowing their history is the question?
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[QUOTE=chief12d;5475030]If T'Challa did Cap like that I'd be even harsher with my criticisms because the two are actually supposed to be close friends. It's got nothing to do with man or woman and everything to do with basic decency, unless that is now a mere human concept too lol. It would be contrived conflict for T'Challa to speak that way with a fellow superhero who's coming in good faith to inform a statesman about a potential international incident caused by his citizens (or in Krakoa's case sub-species) breaking a law in a foreign land.
And for what it's worth I don't think the contrived writing of Marauders #13 came from Storm not waiting on T'Challa, it was from her not being given the sword (which had been purely created to spark a conflict in the first place with its contrived rules and lore) in the first place. And T'Challa apparently getting his mommy's messages but not caring enough about the situation to let his people know when he would return. Storm was justified in stealing Skybreaker but the story bent over backwards in its structure to make that the case by forcing an artificial conflict that was undercut by her being like the 2nd person to arrive at the summoning circle. But I recognize it was an editorial mandate and wanted the pair broken up anyway so I'm not complaining as long as future BP writers don't reference the BS lore Vita tried to introduce.
The Avengers aren't asking to speak with a head of state so I don't really see the comparison. They were speaking to a high ranking member of the Krakoan governing body about a possible imprisonment of their people due to breaking an American law they disagree with. I don't see the Wakandans being as accusatory as Storm since she basically implies that because the Avengers dislike how the law applies to the Champions they're ok with the US only targeting mutants who break the law, which is a stretch to say the least lol. In fact we saw evidence of how Wakanda would act when asked to do something for the greater benefit of the world or their own security. They greeted Storm as a sister and daughter then promptly offered literally every bit of aid imaginable, from their own Wakandan armies to several sacred swords, all the way to their substantial technological resources. The one thing they weren't willing to do was give up this super important sword that Vita made up for that issue with a stupid clause designed to spark conflict between the two parties present lol. So even by the standards of how Vita normally likes to contrive her stories she didn't do a good job because Mystique was acting like a bitch right out the gate lol.
I get wanting Storm to have more bass in her voice, believe me, I'm a BP fan that's seen one of the strongest personalities in the MU neutered for fake deep writing. But I don't think being unnecessarily aggressive when people are informing them about a law that poses a threat to their citizens is the way to go about it. I don't believe she was being an angry black woman but I also don't believe that being polite and appreciative would've made her a mami or been a repeat of times when she was actually written as one. That said, happy you enjoyed the issue lol, I'm not even reading COTA but I just wanted to put that out there.[/QUOTE]
If it were wakanda or an embassy and Steve barged in unannounced making a rukus he will get checked immediately not just by tachala but by the dora milaje... They don't take kindly to any one challenging their souvereigty not even their friends. That is why namor has a very cold shoulder towards the avengers and the x-men he is a leader of a nation as such the embodiment of the hopes and aspiration of his people. Allowing a mere commoner to talk down on him not anywhere but his own country where he is souvereign is an insult not just to him but to his people. It's a simple issue really it's a mutant issue or so it seems the mutants will handle it. The avengers were seen out and business resumed.
Also I feel like the only person who picked up on how done the mutants especially storm is with the avengers. Like she has lost the ability to even pretend to be pleasant around them. I like this I want to see more nuanced within her character they are people with emotions though superheroes they also get affected by what happens around them too. The constant death, the fighting, the endless debates over whether they are safe to be allowed to exist, the constant terror of being targeted. Even storm as powerful and mighty as she is also gets affected if not for herself but for her people. I feel this has hardened her against others and made her willing to burn bridges if she believes it will save her people.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5475300]maybe aggressive is not the right term but overly adversarial. when she told Xavier here very assertively she would not steal for him any longer the retort felt appropriate.
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in the preview she is asking someone she has worked with many times to refer to her as storm, as if they were strangers and in that company is carol who is a friend. why the need to be combative knowing their history is the question?[/QUOTE]
The storm thing I feel is a mutant thing. They are now claiming their identity and call themselves by their mutant names. Even kate evolved. Storm has always been proud and yes she cap, tony and carol have a relationship. But like I was saying I believe she is just tired. I feel it too.i currently live in a third world country where queer people are illegal everyday people preach how queer people are evil and need to suffer. They beat and attack queer people with no provocation. It is sooo dire that queer activist are running for their lives. I watch this I see this and I have experienced tis for sooo long that even though I enjoy a certain amount of privilege I still feel the trauma of my fellow queer people who are not as fortunate as me. And frankly I am done most people I think are my friends over the couple of years I have learn will lynch me without a second thought if they knew I was queer. Those who know do little to nothing about it and try to coputulate to the status quo.
I say this to draw a parallel storm is tired. She is fed up and she is now willing to destroy anyone who threatens her people and cast aside those who are in her way even her love tachala. It is honestly very refreshing.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5475329]The storm thing I feel is a mutant thing. They are now claiming their identity and call themselves by their mutant names. Even kate evolved. Storm has always been proud and yes she cap, tony and carol have a relationship. But like I was saying I believe she is just tired. I feel it too.i currently live in a third world country where queer people are illegal everyday people preach how queer people are evil and need to suffer. They beat and attack queer people with no provocation. It is sooo dire that queer activist are running for their lives. I watch this I see this and I have experienced tis for sooo long that even though I enjoy a certain amount of privilege I still feel the trauma of my fellow queer people who are not as fortunate as me. And frankly I am done most people I think are my friends over the couple of years I have learn will lynch me without a second thought if they knew I was queer. Those who know do little to nothing about it and try to coputulate to the status quo.
I say this to draw a parallel storm is tired. She is fed up and she is now willing to destroy anyone who threatens her people and cast aside those who are I her way even her love tachala. It is honestly very refreshing.[/QUOTE]
Maybe its just this era where Storm seems to be all over the place. In one issue she can be seen dancing with humans and then in this preview she is all concerned with only mutant affairs. Ororo has been a fighter for both human and mutantkind, understanding threats can exist on both sides. We must not forget also that she is a part of many tribes - she is African American, she is Kenyan, she is a woman, mutant and yes human - and she has always fought for everyone. I thought outback storm was one of the best versions of storm where she didn't flinch at killing. But individuals she just fought to save the world with during knulls assault on it who "barged" into their assembly wouldn't require, imho, such an abrasive exchange. Shes been a diplomat as a queen of wakanda, this isn't her first rodeo.
She may be tired but that wouldn't stop her from protecting all life regardless of if they are mutant or not.
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That was never in question. She does value all life. But as like with her the BLM movement we say black lives matter not because all lives do not matter less than black lives, but because black people are being killed for being black. Mutants get met with violence everyday for being mutants, At a disproportionate rate than humans. Are there dangerous mutants ofcourse but that doesn't make them not vulnerable.
Also on the storm character part you do remember in the first x-men book in dawn of x storm told Scott that she is tired. I think this is what she meant. She is fed up. I mean how long are you going to sit and take it even scott said it when Sue asked him. They as a collective are just done with humans. Doesn't mean they hate humans or won't preserve humans but that they are done going out if their way to help them. They are focusing on their own now. Storm has family whom she loves but as of now they sent in immediate danger not unlike her other family. Whom after establishing their nation had their leader assassinated months after have been attacked constantly. They are done. That what I have understood from this era. I believe the coming era will point how they are wrong and how humans are good and that mutants need humans and stuff but right now that are done.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5475344][B]Maybe its just this era where Storm seems to be all over the place[/B]. In one issue she can be seen dancing with humans and then in this preview she is all concerned with only mutant affairs. Ororo has been a fighter for both human and mutantkind, understanding threats can exist on both sides. We must not forget also that she is a part of many tribes - she is African American, she is Kenyan, she is a woman, mutant and yes human - and she has always fought for everyone. I thought outback storm was one of the best versions of storm where she didn't flinch at killing. But individuals she just fought to save the world with during knulls assault on it who "barged" into their assembly wouldn't require, imho, such an abrasive exchange. Shes been a diplomat as a queen of wakanda, this isn't her first rodeo.
She may be tired but that wouldn't stop her from protecting all life regardless of if they are mutant or not.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I feel that for this era as a whole. Different writers have different interpretations of Krakoan pride and mutant/human relations. I feel like that inconsistency presents itself within Storm because she shows up in various books but no one is writing the "definitive" Storm (in the way that Duggan is writing the definitive Kate or Percy is writing the definitive Wolverine).
Like in some QC meetings she seems pretty callous, but then sometimes she's very empathetic. It's primarily based on the needs of the plot and not the character.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5475364]That was never in question. She does value all life. But as like with her the BLM movement we say black lives matter not because all lives do not matter less than black lives, but because black people are being killed for being black. Mutants get met with violence everyday for being mutants, At a disproportionate rate than humans. Are there dangerous mutants ofcourse but that doesn't make them not vulnerable.
Also on the storm character part you do remember in the first x-men book in dawn of x storm told Scott that she is tired. I think this is what she meant. She is fed up. I mean how long are you going to sit and take it even scott said it when Sue asked him. They as a collective are just done with humans. Doesn't mean they hate humans or won't preserve humans but that they are done going out if their way to help them. They are focusing on their own now. Storm has family whom she loves but as of now they sent in immediate danger not unlike her other family. Whom after establishing their nation had their leader assassinated months after have been attacked constantly. They are done. That what I have understood from this era. I believe the coming era will point how they are wrong and how humans are good and that mutants need humans and stuff but right now that are done.[/QUOTE]
its hard to claim she values life when her only emphasis seems to be on mutant life. we definitely see her fighting and beung a champion for all in BP and even hickmans book when she fought for the shiar. however, that isn't necessarily the tone I've seen from this writer. also, to your point about blackness as 616 mirrors the real world why is she only a champion for persecuted mutants? it goes back to my point about her tribes. if she is fuhtunh for everyone, as she in the past has done, it wouldn't become so jarring when she becomes this character only focused on preserving mutant life.
again I get she is tired but the avengers are seeking to persecute mutants (which we don't even know if they are mutant yet) they were engaging out of a place of concern looking to prevent something bad happening to the kids.
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5475367]Yeah I feel that for this era as a whole. Different writers have different interpretations of Krakoan pride and mutant/human relations. I feel like that inconsistency presents itself within Storm because she shows up in various books but no one is writing the "definitive" Storm (in the way that Duggan is writing the definitive Kate or Percy is writing the definitive Wolverine).
Like in some QC meetings she seems pretty callous, but then sometimes she's very empathetic. It's primarily based on the needs of the plot and not the character.[/QUOTE]
I think some writers get her over others but everything I seen from vita thus far does not convey they get the character.
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I'm just baffled by that entire scene, and I don't even usually care about Storm much. From the way she talked you would think Krakoa and the rest of Earth were on different planets. The only hostility in that entire conversation came from Storm and Mystique, and I'm struggling to understand what their point was. The members of the Avengers have been trying to help younger heroes oppose CRADLE and the dumb law! Captain America literally liberated a huge group of children from cages in the Miles Morales series! And if there's a group of young mutants running around being vigilantes while this is going on, why WOULDN'T they try to reach out to the X-men about this? It would kind of have important international implications if a group of mutants were suddenly rounded up for concentration camps!
If anything, the way Storm brings this up actually makes her and Mystique look bad. The Avengers have been opposing the law for everyone, but Storm only cares when it effects mutants. Or does she not think American laws apply to mutants at all anymore? I'm so confused.
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im not baffled read outlawed champions. Storm saw first hand what human law is doing to human children.
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I'm glad the x-writers are at least paying attention to where their characters are being used in books outside the x-books.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5475535]im not baffled read outlawed champions. Storm saw first hand what human law is doing to human children.
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I'm glad the x-writers are at least paying attention to where their characters are being used in books outside the x-books.[/QUOTE]
what does storm seeing what human law is doing with why she is being so combative against the avengers?
[QUOTE=pkingdom;5475527]I'm just baffled by that entire scene, and I don't even usually care about Storm much. From the way she talked you would think Krakoa and the rest of Earth were on different planets. The only hostility in that entire conversation came from Storm and Mystique, and I'm struggling to understand what their point was. The members of the Avengers have been trying to help younger heroes oppose CRADLE and the dumb law! Captain America literally liberated a huge group of children from cages in the Miles Morales series! And if there's a group of young mutants running around being vigilantes while this is going on, why WOULDN'T they try to reach out to the X-men about this? It would kind of have important international implications if a group of mutants were suddenly rounded up for concentration camps!
If anything, the way Storm brings this up actually makes her and Mystique look bad. The Avengers have been opposing the law for everyone, but Storm only cares when it effects mutants. Or does she not think American laws apply to mutants at all anymore? I'm so confused.[/QUOTE]
keep laying out the facts boo I completely agree with everything said here.
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[QUOTE=Rosa Snarks;5461856]It's cute. Needs more melanin though[/QUOTE]
Need more melan? This is a brown skinned woman.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5475594]Need more melan? This is a brown skinned woman.[/QUOTE]
yes more melanin please!!
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[QUOTE=Saturius;5474993]I am still not buying CoTA but I like what I saw of Storm in the preview. I liked this for the same reason I liked her XoS issue in Marauders. They are finally playing Storm with some edge, some grey areas of moral ambiguity Too often Storm is depicted as a paragon always in the right.
Claremont wasn't afraid to be a bit controversial with her. Subsequent writers have played it too safe with her for too long. It's about time they dirty her up a bit again. I honestly don't know if I think she went too far with Cap and the Avengers here. Was she too aggressive? Again I don't know, but I appreciate the ambiguity.[/QUOTE]
Well said. Personally I love the firm directness she is giving off to the Avengers with respect to Where mutants are in the MU now. As part of the Governing body of Krakoa I actually prefer this stance for her the QC on any mutant related incidents. Being on human territories offers a lot potential for delicious conflicts with global impact.
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Love it <3!
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And she didn't imply they are, she just doesn't have time for them. Read the convo like this: "Hey storm some kids dressed like mini x-men are running around town causing damage you better do something or this will lead to cradle sending them to a concentration camp"
"Ohk I have heard you... You can leave now, we would handle this."
The tension in the conversation is subjective you saw unnecessary roughness, I saw her reply as; ohk and?
And to be frank I love these stories about storm what makes her a great character is her complexity like I have stated before she is a mixture of contradictions in perfect balance with each other. The Queen and the thief, the believer and the goddess, the leader and self doubter, these are parts of her among others she is not just a protector, she is not just mother earth kumbaya. She has seen the desolation of poverty and the wealth of kingdoms and empires, she has been a nobody and a divine being. Her nuance to a situation is one I dare not attempt to comprehend. Just because she values all life doesn't mean she isn't going to check some people when they are out of line. That place was krakoa it is an embassy and you can't barge in there making demands, there are rules that governs the place. That is why mystique was telling them to check their tone. Storm is not unreasonable she knows to an extent they are right even mystique admits to the fact that the children must be tracked down. The fact that Steve thinks he and his associates can enter krakoa and tell them what to do on their on land is what makes it absurd it can even lead to war. Mind you the x-men are not just a superhero team now they are a nation and as such enjoy souvereigty. Avengers making demands at them was erroneous they could have sent an email or a text or even a phone call. That's how diplomacy works. Not barging into embassies thinking their being avengers gives them some levy of authority in krakoa. As she mystique puts it they have no authority there.
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5475666]Well said. Personally I love the firm directness she is giving off to the Avengers with respect to Where mutants are in the MU now. As part of the Governing body of Krakoa I actually prefer this stance for her the QC on any mutant related incidents. Being on human territories offers a lot potential for delicious conflicts with global impact.
Love it <3![/QUOTE]
Exactly people are acting like namor doesn't do this at every meeting, or when push comes to shove tachala checked people even the god of thunder, even thor checked tony lately when he tried trespassing into asgard. Leaders of nations have a sacred obligation to their people they speak not of themselves but of their entire nation. If it were maybe rouge or beast or other important members who are not council members I will have thought it was too rash. But saying take your rugrats to a souvereign really?
They were out of line they were put back in place next time they should call or send an email.
[QUOTE=pkingdom;5475527]I'm just baffled by that entire scene, and I don't even usually care about Storm much. From the way she talked you would think Krakoa and the rest of Earth were on different planets. The only hostility in that entire conversation came from Storm and Mystique, and I'm struggling to understand what their point was. The members of the Avengers have been trying to help younger heroes oppose CRADLE and the dumb law! Captain America literally liberated a huge group of children from cages in the Miles Morales series! And if there's a group of young mutants running around being vigilantes while this is going on, why WOULDN'T they try to reach out to the X-men about this? It would kind of have important international implications if a group of mutants were suddenly rounded up for concentration camps!
If anything, the way Storm brings this up actually makes her and Mystique look bad. The Avengers have been opposing the law for everyone, but Storm only cares when it effects mutants. Or does she not think American laws apply to mutants at all anymore? I'm so confused.[/QUOTE]
Well it doesn't apply to mutants anymore. All mutants are citizens of krakoa by birthright unless renounced by said mutant. Also the hostility you are saying comes from storm and mystique, let me ask you a question do you think a celebrity can barge into let's say China's embassy or high commission in america and start making demands of them. What do you think is going to happen if that occurs. Even scott the captain commander of krakoa was scolded when he interrupted a quiet council meeting without being invited. Now were the avengers invited to the embassy, nope. did they seek an audience or just entered making demands, yep. Did they risk placing the United States in diplomatic incident with krakoa, YES! The fact that they are leaving the same way they came shows that storm still has deep respect for them as a team. They acted a fool next time they should make their grievances known through the proper channels.
Also shouldn't captain america be combating this law, he has sooo much clout in the country he is freaking Captain America. Rescuing children from a concentration camp is terrific, but what happens to the children brought the next day or the next or the day after that. As storm implied he would find better success fighting the law makers than standing in krakoa yelling.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5475761]Well it doesn't apply to mutants anymore. All mutants are citizens of krakoa by birthright unless renounced by said mutant. Also the hostility you are saying comes from storm and mystique, let me ask you a question do you think a celebrity can barge into let's say China's embassy or high commission in america and start making demands of them. What do you think is going to happen if that occurs. Even scott the captain commander of krakoa was scolded when he interrupted a quiet council meeting without being invited. Now were the avengers invited to the embassy, nope. did they seek an audience or just entered making demands, yep. Did they risk placing the United States in diplomatic incident with krakoa, YES! The fact that they are leaving the same way they came shows that storm still has deep respect for them as a team. They acted a fool next time they should make their grievances known through the proper channels.
[B]Also shouldn't captain america be combating this law, he has sooo much clout in the country he is freaking Captain America. Rescuing children from a concentration camp is terrific, but what happens to the children brought the next day or the next or the day after that. As storm implied he would find better success fighting the law makers than standing in krakoa yelling.[/B][/QUOTE]
Actually in the present Captain America series the public is actually turning on Cap. He doesn’t have as much political pull as you think he does in the U.S. government. Even when him and Carol went before congress to oppose the law they got rejected. So Storm telling him talk to his lawmakers, well they did and the lawmakers shot them down too. Now going in there to demand to talk to Xavier I’ll give you that was a terrible approach. Though acting like young people, who others view as mutants though it hasn’t been confirmed, isn’t a huge cause for concern due to the optics around said law is a huge international incident waiting to happen and it was urgent that they be given a talking to before it spirals out of control.
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[QUOTE=Covetous_One;5475776]Actually in the present Captain America series the public is actually turning on Cap. He doesn’t have as much political pull as you think he does in the U.S. government. Even when him and Carol went before congress to oppose the law they got rejected. So Storm telling him talk to his lawmakers, well they did and the lawmakers shot them down too. Now going in there to demand to talk to Xavier I’ll give you that was a terrible approach. Though acting like young people, who others view as mutants though it hasn’t been confirmed, isn’t a huge cause for concern due to the optics around said law is a huge international incident waiting to happen and it was urgent that they be given a talking to before it spirals out of control.[/QUOTE]
That is why storm took their advice. Infact she does still respect them like I said if it were magneto they won't be leaving there all smug. But storm understood there is wisdom in what they are saying and asked mystique to help her track them down. That is why when people are saying this is bad and storm is being a bitch I am surprised. If anything she handled it gracefully given the foolishness of the avenger's actions.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5475761]Well it doesn't apply to mutants anymore. All mutants are citizens of krakoa by birthright unless renounced by said mutant. Also the hostility you are saying comes from storm and mystique, let me ask you a question do you think a celebrity can barge into let's say China's embassy or high commission in america and start making demands of them. What do you think is going to happen if that occurs. Even scott the captain commander of krakoa was scolded when he interrupted a quiet council meeting without being invited. Now were the avengers invited to the embassy, nope. did they seek an audience or just entered making demands, yep. Did they risk placing the United States in diplomatic incident with krakoa, YES! The fact that they are leaving the same way they came shows that storm still has deep respect for them as a team. They acted a fool next time they should make their grievances known through the proper channels.
Also shouldn't captain america be combating this law, he has sooo much clout in the country he is freaking Captain America. Rescuing children from a concentration camp is terrific, but what happens to the children brought the next day or the next or the day after that. As storm implied he would find better success fighting the law makers than standing in krakoa yelling.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what to say. You're just flat out wrong on so many points. For starters, embassy are open to the public. They went in the front door and spoke to the secretary in the entrance. They broke zero laws. Demanding to speak with Xavier was bad, but it was also super weird for 2 members of the QC to be within earshot in the same embassy. Again, they should have just called. And nothing has ever given even the slightest indication that citizens of Krakoa are now immune to all laws everywhere forever. Even the fiercest critics of this entire relaunch would never say that that was the case.
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[QUOTE=pkingdom;5475796]I don't know what to say. You're just flat out wrong on so many points. For starters, embassy are open to the public. They went in the front door and spoke to the secretary in the entrance. They broke zero laws. Demanding to speak with Xavier was bad, but it was also super weird for 2 members of the QC to be within earshot in the same embassy. Again, they should have just called. And nothing has ever given even the slightest indication that citizens of Krakoa are now immune to all laws everywhere forever. Even the fiercest critics of this entire relaunch would never say that that was the case.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me please but where did you learn that it is open to the general public? First of no it's not you can't just enter an embassy trust me I travel a lot. Also the people with easiest access to an embassy are citizens of the country if said embassy. Are they krakoan last I checked nope! They entered in started demanding to see xavier, now if you as a citizen of the united States enters the china embassy and do what they did. Just answer me how this will play out. Oh also two QC members in a krakoans embassy is literally not the strangest thing here. It is their embassy all 12 can be there it wouldn't be part of the avenger's business. Why? Because it is the krakoan embassy! Well let's see how restricting mutants based on human laws works for the the nation in question then.
Also last but not least mystique is not a secretary she is a head of state. What they did was flat out disrespectful and the fact that they are not in some jail cell thinking about their foolishness is a testament to storm's mercy.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5475819]Excuse me please but where did you learn that it is open to the general public? First of no it's not you can't just enter an embassy trust me I travel a lot. Also the people with easiest access to an embassy are citizens of the country if said embassy. Are they krakoan last I checked nope! They entered in started demanding to see xavier, now if you as a citizen of the united States enters the china embassy and do what they did. Just answer me how this will play out. Oh also two QC members in a krakoans embassy is literally not the strangest thing here. It is their embassy all 12 can be there it wouldn't be part of the avenger's business. Why? Because it is the krakoan embassy! Well let's see how restricting mutants based on human laws works for the the nation in question then.
[B]Also last but not least mystique is not a secretary she is a head of state. What they did was flat out disrespectful and the fact that they are not in some jail cell thinking about their foolishness is a testament to storm's mercy.[/QUOTE]
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First off Duplicate Man is the secretary that was being referenced. Two they wouldn’t have been arrested since apparently the front door was wide open and it’s not shown that there is a gate in front of it so they were breaking no laws. Three Storm, and I love her as a fan, wouldn’t have been able to do anything beyond having security escort them out. She had a point about the approach, but she should know a potential international incident is something any hero be they mutant or hero would rush to quell.
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[QUOTE=Havok83;5475031]The issue with Storm wasnt that she couldnt destroy the cloud;its that she wouldnt. The wrote her as trying to respect the Inhumans and Medusa's wishes with that BS truce when she should have told her to f--k off and did what she needed to to protect her people[/QUOTE]
Honestly that was one of the dumbest things Marvels pulled in both A) Storm not acting to protect her people and B) the Inhumans ignoring the previous 50 years of their own continuity that would have had them trying to get the cloud back in crystallised form ASAP
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[QUOTE=Covetous_One;5475776]Actually in the present Captain America series the public is actually turning on Cap. He doesn’t have as much political pull as you think he does in the U.S. government. [B]Even when him and Carol went before congress to oppose the law they got rejected. So Storm telling him talk to his lawmakers, well they did and the lawmakers shot them down too.[/B] Now going in there to demand to talk to Xavier I’ll give you that was a terrible approach. Though acting like young people, who others view as mutants though it hasn’t been confirmed, isn’t a huge cause for concern due to the optics around said law is a huge international incident waiting to happen and it was urgent that they be given a talking to before it spirals out of control.[/QUOTE]
This is important context and an editor definitely should have stepped in.
I was only aware of Cyclops and Marauders helping the Champions, and from that perspective I thought Storm was totally in the right, because when it came to helping human teens they didn’t pull up to Avengers HQ to complain... they just helped.
Ultimately I like Storm’s firmness in the scene but yeah I can admit it’s very contrived.
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if we look at the scans we can see that Storm arrives at the exact moment when Mystique asks if the avengers are threatening them, Storm heard this and probably for this reason chose this approach.
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[QUOTE=Covetous_One;5475846][/B]
First off Duplicate Man is the secretary that was being referenced. Two they wouldn’t have been arrested since apparently the front door was wide open and it’s not shown that there is a gate in front of it so they were breaking no laws. Three Storm, and I love her as a fan, wouldn’t have been able to do anything beyond having security escort them out. She had a point about the approach, but she should know a potential international incident is something any hero be they mutant or hero would rush to quell.[/QUOTE]
Listen in the beginning who were the avengers talking to, because unless you are now steve rogers I will suggest he made a demand as he entered. He didnt say multiple man, but spoke towards the both of them as they were standing together. Also every embassy and how you can enter I can enter dutch embassies easier than I can british embassies. Krakoa is very particulate about the presence of humans on the island even people like deadpool have been met with hostility even though technically they have sort of a claim too. He entered demanding with a condescending tone mystique told him to watch his tone as he is now in krakoa. Then she went on to listen it all they were saying though true was in a way that any diplomat reading will scratch their eyeballs, they were making threats implying it at the very least. Mystique telling them is that a threat was a way of letting them know they are just making the situation worse. Also like I said if it were magneto they would be singing a very different tune. Storm entered when mystique said is that a threat.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5476137]Listen in the beginning who were the avengers talking to, because unless you are now steve rogers I will suggest he made a demand as he entered. He didnt say multiple man, but spoke towards the both of them as they were standing together. Also every embassy and how you can enter I can enter dutch embassies easier than I can british embassies. Krakoa is very particulate about the presence of humans on the island even people like deadpool have been met with hostility even though technically they have sort of a claim too. He entered demanding with a condescending tone mystique told him to watch his tone as he is now in krakoa. Then she went on to listen it all they were saying though true was in a way that any diplomat reading will scratch their eyeballs, they were making threats implying it at the very least. Mystique telling them is that a threat was a way of letting them know they are just making the situation worse. Also like I said if it were magneto they would be singing a very different tune. Storm entered when mystique said is that a threat.[/QUOTE]
Storm was right to assert a slow your roll tone. Which is very on point with Storm’s leadership character. Mystique talking about a threat is laughable since she herself is a potential threat to Krakoa. Humans are not allowed on the main island, though any Krakoan based building is subject to discretion depending on use. The front view of the embassy shows you can walk in from the street to the front desk. Though I do thank you for correcting me on Multiple Man.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5476137]Listen in the beginning who were the avengers talking to, because unless you are now steve rogers I will suggest he made a demand as he entered. He didnt say multiple man, but spoke towards the both of them as they were standing together. Also every embassy and how you can enter I can enter dutch embassies easier than I can british embassies. Krakoa is very particulate about the presence of humans on the island even people like deadpool have been met with hostility even though technically they have sort of a claim too. He entered demanding with a condescending tone mystique told him to watch his tone as he is now in krakoa. Then she went on to listen it all they were saying though true was in a way that any diplomat reading will scratch their eyeballs, they were making threats implying it at the very least. Mystique telling them is that a threat was a way of letting them know they are just making the situation worse. Also like I said if it were magneto they would be singing a very different tune. Storm entered when mystique said is that a threat.[/QUOTE]
People also aren't taking into account the covid delay and how this was marketed around the same time as Outlaw so i think it's a little disingenious when some say Vita is just creating conflict. If this was released when it was suppose to Storm just saw what happened because of outlaw and that was the reason she was called in by cyclops for the marauders to help and protect the actual sidekicks of the same avengers that just showed up acting like they are doing more than lip service. Thats not even to count as i mentioned in the other thread she is wearing her most heroic outfit meaning obviously she is in new york to at least investigate as she said last issue.
Lastly it also shows how stuck in the past the Avengers are. Why would they conme in asking for Xavier and once they saw mystique,despite how they feel, because lord knows the mutants have no reason to respect any political figure in the MU, they could have had the conversation with the council member who is at the same table as Xavier. Where else can anyone walk into an embassy and get an immediate meeting with a head of state. And then Storm made sure to mention they were guests so at least the world knows despite them showing up fully dressed with the trio, they were just coming with information.
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[QUOTE=Covetous_One;5476174]Storm was right to assert a slow your roll tone. Which is very on point with Storm’s leadership character. Mystique talking about a threat is laughable since she herself is a potential threat to Krakoa. Humans are not allowed on the main island, though any Krakoan based building is subject to discretion depending on use. The front view of the embassy shows you can walk in from the street to the front desk. Though I do thank you for correcting me on Multiple Man.[/QUOTE]
No matter how you feel about mystique and trust me I feel plenty, she is now a head of state. Like I pointed out before heads have an obligation to their people and speak on behalf of the nation and it's citizen. When she said is that a threat she meant is that a threat against krakoa? It is not about her personal convictions but her current duty to the nation especially it's future the children.
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[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5475972]This is important context and an editor definitely should have stepped in.
I was only aware of Cyclops and Marauders helping the Champions, and from that perspective I thought Storm was totally in the right, because when it came to helping human teens they didn’t pull up to Avengers HQ to complain... they just helped.
Ultimately I like Storm’s firmness in the scene [b]but yeah I can admit it’s very contrived.[/b][/QUOTE]
That's vita for you lol.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5476224]People also aren't taking into account the covid delay and how this was marketed around the same time as Outlaw so i think it's a little disingenious when some say Vita is just creating conflict. If this was released when it was suppose to Storm just saw what happened because of outlaw and that was the reason she was called in by cyclops for the marauders to help and protect the actual sidekicks of the same avengers that just showed up acting like they are doing more than lip service. Thats not even to count as i mentioned in the other thread she is wearing her most heroic outfit meaning obviously she is in new york to at least investigate as she said last issue.
Lastly it also shows how stuck in the past the Avengers are. Why would they conme in asking for Xavier and once they saw mystique,despite how they feel, because lord knows the mutants have no reason to respect any political figure in the MU, they could have had the conversation with the council member who is at the same table as Xavier. Where else can anyone walk into an embassy and get an immediate meeting with a head of state. And then Storm made sure to mention they were guests so at least the world knows despite them showing up fully dressed with the trio, they were just coming with information.[/QUOTE]
That is what I am saying. People are still having this impressions that mystique and Storm are just normal heroes when that is not the case anymore. When you enter an embassy you treat the people with respect you don't just make demands.
Love that you pointed out the guest part. Storm still values the avengers and it shows but like I said the way the avengers handled it was just bad. Tony calling the children your rugrats to mystique imagine an american soldier saying that to Putin about Russian children. All hell would break loose. Storm handled it gracefully she is not one to tolerate foolishness and will check anyone even logan knows better than to get on her bad side.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5476592]That is what I am saying. People are still having this impressions that mystique and Storm are just normal heroes when that is not the case anymore. When you enter an embassy you treat the people with respect you don't just make demands.
Love that you pointed out the guest part. Storm still values the avengers and it shows but like I said the way the avengers handled it was just bad. Tony calling the children your rugrats to mystique imagine an american soldier saying that to Putin about Russian children. All hell would break loose. Storm handled it gracefully she is not one to tolerate foolishness and will check anyone even logan knows better than to get on her bad side.[/QUOTE]
I dont think storm would care about titles like that. she isn't that pretentious, especially considering she's worked with these heroes before. the hostility on both sides was unnecessary.
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[QUOTE=juan678;5476609][img]https://i.ibb.co/JRqBTp9/MARAUDERS2019020001-col.jpg[/img][img]https://i.ibb.co/Bqy5V3v/MARAUDERS2019020002-col.webp[/img][img]https://i.postimg.cc/LsYsXcvH/MARAUDERS2019020010-col.webp[/img]
[URL="https://www.cbr.com/storm-marauders-new-status-quo-first-look/"]https://www.cbr.com/storm-marauders-new-status-quo-first-look/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Damn this looks good. I'm ready!!
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[QUOTE=juan678;5476609][img]https://i.ibb.co/JRqBTp9/MARAUDERS2019020001-col.jpg[/img][img]https://i.ibb.co/Bqy5V3v/MARAUDERS2019020002-col.webp[/img][img]https://i.ibb.co/fdWdzwT/MARAUDERS2019020010-col.webp[/img]
[URL="https://www.cbr.com/storm-marauders-new-status-quo-first-look/"]https://www.cbr.com/storm-marauders-new-status-quo-first-look/[/URL][/QUOTE]
oh wow that looks good!!
seeing storm take out those bigots im here for always!
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5476640][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyiNuMTXIAAeSaN?format=jpg&name=large[/img][/QUOTE]
Simply stunning.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5476669]Simply stunning.[/QUOTE]
right its gorgeous!
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[URL="https://www.cbr.com/storm-marauders-new-status-quo-first-look/"]https://www.cbr.com/storm-marauders-new-status-quo-first-look/[/URL][/QUOTE]
I am crying this is beautiful I love this soo much
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5476596]I dont think storm would care about titles like that. she isn't that pretentious, especially considering she's worked with these heroes before. the hostility on both sides was unnecessary.[/QUOTE]
She isn't but even scott the captain commander has been shot down by storm for interrupting a quiet council meeting. Rules are what makes a nation work and there are rules that govern the place. Like I said she was being gracious if it were magneto it might have been a very different story. She even called them guest and said they should be escorted out. They started the hostility even mystique told them to watch their tone. Tony pointing fingers in her face telling her to get her rugrats that simply won't stand. Especially on krakoa.
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I always love seeing Storm doing her H2H thing.
On the Gala-piece...Beauty-full but...I do wish Luciano had given them different face structures and body-types.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5476751]She isn't but even scott the captain commander has been shot down by storm for interrupting a quiet council meeting. Rules are what makes a nation work and there are rules that govern the place. Like I said she was being gracious if it were magneto it might have been a very different story. She even called them guest and said they should be escorted out. They started the hostility even mystique told them to watch their tone. Tony pointing fingers in her face telling her to get her rugrats that simply won't stand. Especially on krakoa.[/QUOTE]
I thought that Scott exchange was ooc too. maybe some writers just perceive her as being that way but I would argue against it. she's not going to be snarky unnecessarily.
