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[QUOTE=Stormy;5744809]Ororo has a few pleasant moments in the Marauders, but and those are little moments that make me hate, plus a lot of haters picking up these scans to try to make it smaller.
Batroc giving work to three mutants, two of them being omegas. He sort of landed a kick on Ororo who was flying in the air, and she should have had a much quicker reaction. Very rough, It's even funny.
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Idk why but it remind that Fox-men fight between Storm, Cyclops and Jean vs Toad lol. I never gonna understand why an omega should have trouble with street tier treat, thankfullly she leaves marauders.
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[QUOTE=Stormy;5744809]Ororo has a few pleasant moments in the Marauders, but and those are little moments that make me hate, plus a lot of haters picking up these scans to try to make it smaller.
Batroc giving work to three mutants, two of them being omegas. He sort of landed a kick on Ororo who was flying in the air, and she should have had a much quicker reaction. Very rough, It's even funny.
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Batroc in just h2h would put a fight against Ororo, but he would eventually loose IMO.Although he has put good fights against Caps and even won against them so maybe he takes h2h.Although vibranium knife would put him on the defense.
Again Storm could just finish this w/ her powers in a second, but like other heroes who are above street tier whether just low mid's like Spider-man to omega's like Storm they almost never use their full or even close to full power on them.
I get storm being taken out w/ a suprise attack since she is a glass canon, but an upfront assault is just nonsense.Even worse when you have characters w/ enhanced highly durability but both are unacceptable.
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[QUOTE=WallStreeter;5744987]Pretty sure they are headed with her being able to breathe unaided and durable.
I mean you gotta be tough to tule a planet populated by Arrako mutants.[/QUOTE]
I certainly hope so. its within her powerset so im ready to see how ewing interprets her powers.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5744370]The thing is though if there is no gravity holding down the gases then it quickly escapes.
The moon has a very weak atmosphere because of the lack of gravity or barely any gravity. Every time an atmosphere is formed on the moon the gases don't stay compressed for a long time and flow into space because there is no gravity holding it down. While obviously, it's fiction and the writers weren't thinking about Crystal feat. But realistically Crystal would have to have gravity manipulation in order for her to keep oxygen from escaping space since it was literally nothing but a bubble of air.
Storm has proven to manipulate Mars's entire atmosphere to stronger levels and also tampering with gravity to hold it down to keep the air from flowing into space. Gravity is "a part" of the atmosphere which is strong enough to hold onto the atmosphere and keep it from drifting into space. The energies in the atmosphere are for Storm to mold.
So it's no surprise Storm can make a bubble of air and sustain it in space after doing it to an entire planet.[/QUOTE]
Isn’t the reason for earth’s atmosphere staying grounded just it’s mass and velocity of rotation which increases gravitational pull? I would think the same would apply to Mars/Arrako, especially after Magneto increased the planet’s mass with the tons of iron he infused into its core. I personally don’t think Ororo has any direct power over gravity itself, or that she needs that to do what she has done. In regards to her personal bubble of atmosphere used to traverse space, I simply believe that Ororo’s command over the elements that comprise “atmosphere” is far, far stronger than the natural gravitational pull of Arrako. Which honestly makes her feat even more impressive.
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I get storm being taken out w/ a suprise attack since she is a glass canon, but an upfront assault is just nonsense.Even worse when you have characters w/ enhanced highly durability but both are unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
How come no one ever calls Magneto a glass cannon?! Ororo controls the very air surrounding each one of us, she can move electrons and electrical fields at will and can sense the blackbird crossing the atmosphere at half world distance, a jumping fool should not ever be of any concern to her.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5745208]How come no one ever calls Magneto a glass cannon?! Ororo controls the very air surrounding each one of us, she can move electrons and electrical fields at will and can sense the blackbird crossing the atmosphere at half world distance, a jumping fool should not ever be of any concern to her.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, anything Erik’s EM field can deflect, Ororo’s pressure dome can as well. It broke through a mountain for goodness sake. If Ororo is a glass canon then surely Erik and Jean must be considered so as well. If a bullet somehow gets through their defenses and into their head, they would die just the same as Ororo. All 3 of them have roughly normal or perhaps just above average human physical durability outside of the things that their powers give them natural immunity to.
Otherwise I can pretty much agree with your assessment, Spiderfan.
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[QUOTE=Ororo101;5745191]Isn’t the reason for earth’s atmosphere staying grounded just it’s mass and velocity of rotation which increases gravitational pull? I would think the same would apply to Mars/Arrako, especially after Magneto increased the planet’s mass with the tons of iron he infused into its core. I personally don’t think Ororo has any direct power over gravity itself, or that she needs that to do what she has done. In regards to her personal bubble of atmosphere used to traverse space, I simply believe that Ororo’s command over the elements that comprise “atmosphere” is far, far stronger than the natural gravitational pull of Arrako. Which honestly makes her feat even more impressive.[/QUOTE]
In addition to a very deleterious lack of gravity Mars main problem when it comes to atmospheric loss has always been the lack of a powerful magnetosphere, without the protection of a magnetic field over billions of years the solar winds have constantly eroded the red planet atmospheric layers and destroyed any water molecule suspended in it by separating oxygen and hydrogen due to the action of intense UV radiation .
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[QUOTE=Ororo101;5745217]Agreed, anything Erik’s EM field can deflect, Ororo’s pressure dome can as well. It broke through a mountain for goodness sake. If Ororo is a glass canon then surely Erik and Jean must be considered so as well. If a bullet somehow gets through their defenses and into their head, they would die just the same as Ororo. All 3 of them have roughly normal or perhaps just above average human physical durability outside of the things that their powers give them natural immunity to.[/QUOTE]
I would dare say Ororo is certainly more durable, heat and cold are not an issue and her powers makes her immune to both vacuum, jovian pressures, radiation and electricity
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5745222]In addition to a very deleterious lack of gravity Mars main problem when it comes to atmospheric loss has always been the lack of a powerful magnetosphere, without the protection of a magnetic field over billions of years the solar winds have constantly eroded the red planet atmospheric layers and destroyed any water molecule suspended in it by separating oxygen and hydrogen due to action of intense UV radiation .[/QUOTE]
Very true. Wouldn’t that issue be remedied as well tho with the molten iron core infusion provided by Erik in PSXM? Thereby strengthening the planet’s magnetic field, making it closer to Earth’s?
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5745232]I would dare say Ororo is certainly more durable, heat and cold are not an issue and her powers makes her immune to both vacuum, jovian pressures, radiation and electricity[/QUOTE]
Yes, that’s what I meant by the durability lent to a character by their natural abilities. As far as innate physical durability goes, I don’t believe we’ve seen anything to infer that Ororo is anything but just above normal human durability. Which is why the “glass canon” argument gets brought up consistently.
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[QUOTE=Ororo101;5745234]Very true. Wouldn’t that issue be remedied as well tho with the molten iron core infusion provided by Erik in PSXM? Thereby strengthening the planet’s magnetic field, making it closer to Earth’s?[/QUOTE]
The iron core solved many issues in a single stroke but I’m sure Ororo and Erik were both instrumental in facilitating the birth of the planet electromagnetic field
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[QUOTE=Ororo101;5745239]Yes, that’s what I meant by the durability lent to a character by their natural abilities. As far as innate physical durability goes, I don’t believe we’ve seen anything to infer that Ororo is anything but just above normal human durability. Which is why the “glass canon” argument gets brought up consistently.[/QUOTE]
Very true but it’s also the consequence of the ”lightning lass” syndrome that usually affects untalented and unimaginative writers when they are given the chance to write Storm
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5745208]How come no one ever calls Magneto a glass cannon?! Ororo controls the very air surrounding each one of us, she can move electrons and electrical fields at will and can sense the blackbird crossing the atmosphere at half world distance, a jumping fool should not ever be of any concern to her.[/QUOTE]
He is a glass canon as well, it's just that he uses EM forcefields much more consistently which makes it an in character trait in comparison to Storm who does so much less.
I agree, w/ her powers Batroc is fodder to her but she isn't using them in the right way here, which is bad writing.
[QUOTE=Ororo101;5745217]Agreed, anything Erik’s EM field can deflect, Ororo’s pressure dome can as well. It broke through a mountain for goodness sake. If Ororo is a glass canon then surely Erik and Jean must be considered so as well. If a bullet somehow gets through their defenses and into their head, they would die just the same as Ororo. All 3 of them have roughly normal or perhaps just above average human physical durability outside of the things that their powers give them natural immunity to.
Otherwise I can pretty much agree with your assessment, Spiderfan.[/QUOTE]
Jean's TK molecular reassembly stuff and psionic form is why I think a bullet would not do her in.Mercury can provide details much better on Jean's TK.Otherwise she is a glass canon.
Both Erik and Storm are glass canon's, and I'm sure there shields are on par w/ one another.The diff. as explained above is not their strength or reaction time(which I'm sure is on par), it's consistency in use of said Shields.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5745244]The iron core solved many issues in a single stroke but I’m sure Ororo and Erik were both instrumental in facilitating the birth of the planet electromagnetic field[/QUOTE]
Definitely safe to assume their contributions would have worked congruently. I only mentioned Erik specifically because we directly saw him infuse the iron into the core which we know contributes to the building of a magnetic field around a planet.
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[QUOTE=Spiderfan001;5745254]He is a glass canon as well, it's just that he uses EM forcefields much more consistently which makes it an in character trait in comparison to Storm who does so much less.
I agree, w/ her powers Batroc is fodder to her but she isn't using them in the right way here, which is bad writing.
Jean's TK molecular reassembly stuff and psionic form is why I think a bullet would not do her in.Mercury can provide details much better on Jean's TK.Otherwise she is a glass canon.
Both Erik and Storm are glass canon's, and I'm sure there shields are on par w/ one another.The diff. as explained above is not their strength or reaction time(which I'm sure is on par), it's consistency in use of said Shields.[/QUOTE]
I see what you’re saying in regards to Jean, especially if she is using her psionic form. I would think though that I depends on if the bullet puts her down before she can telekinetically atomize it/repair herself. Which, knowing how integral concentration is for psi powers, might be difficult with a hemorr*****g temple wound. Realistically as I believe you’re implying, neither of those 3 characters should have any concern over bullets/most projectiles in the first place.
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Me when i'm arguing with the Storm haters while letting them know, unlike their fave, Queen Storm can breath both underwater and in space
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5745265]Me when i'm arguing with the Storm haters while letting them know, unlike their fave, Queen Storm can breath both underwater and in space
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…….And she can survive atmospheric re entry all on her own….. glass cannon my @$$ :p
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Considering she's going to be fighting a lot I hope Ewing dives into more of these type of defensives feats.
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Let it become a character trait for Storm to actually [B]use her brain[/B] in combat.
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5745265]Me when i'm arguing with the Storm haters while letting them know, unlike their fave, Queen Storm can breath both underwater and in space
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yassssss you betta say that with Miss Jackson!!!!
[QUOTE=Daedra;5745274]…….And she can survive atmospheric re entry all on her own….. glass cannon my @$$ :p[/QUOTE]
absolutely and at ease too!!!
[QUOTE=Subliminally;5745291]Considering she's going to be fighting a lot I hope Ewing dives into more of these type of defensives feats.
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Let it become a character trait for Storm to actually [B]use her brain[/B] in combat.[/QUOTE]
please. there is no way she should be able to be snipe punched or shot without using a shield (whether air, water, electrical,etc)
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5745406]yassssss you betta say that with Miss Jackson!!!!
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You know i'ma represent a Black Queen with another Black Queen lol. I can't wait til her documentary on Lifetime and A&E in January. Hopefully she discusses film roles she passed up like playing Storm and being a main character in The Matrix movies smh.
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5745425]You know i'ma represent a Black Queen with another Black Queen lol. I can't wait til her documentary on Lifetime and A&E in January. Hopefully she discusses film roles she passed up like playing Storm and being a main character in The Matrix movies smh.[/QUOTE]
I heard about that documentary I thought it already came out. and I came across that video that I cant find now where she discussing being a xmen fan as a kid collecting the cards and loving storm.
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[QUOTE=Ororo101;5745217]Agreed, anything Erik’s EM field can deflect, Ororo’s pressure dome can as well. It broke through a mountain for goodness sake. If Ororo is a glass canon then surely Erik and Jean must be considered so as well. If a bullet somehow gets through their defenses and into their head, they would die just the same as Ororo. All 3 of them have roughly normal or perhaps just above average human physical durability outside of the things that their powers give them natural immunity to.
Otherwise I can pretty much agree with your assessment, Spiderfan.[/QUOTE]
absolutely! 100% fact!!!
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5745274]…….And she can survive atmospheric re entry all on her own….. glass cannon my @$$ :p[/QUOTE]
She is one in the sense that if she recieves a strong physical hit to her body, which is still on par with normal humans in terms of durability, she will be in trouble. Like a Dark Souls boss where the trick is not to deal a lot of damage, but to get them on the ground, reach them and get their barrier down ... and avoid the counters and parries.
Actualy she could make a pretty great bonus boss in a Sekiro style video game.
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[QUOTE=Grunty;5745449]She is one in the sense that if she recieves a strong physical hit to her body, which is still on par with normal humans in terms of durability, she will be in trouble. Like a Dark Souls boss where the trick is not to deal a lot of damage, but to get them on the ground, reach them and get their barrier down ... and avoid the counters and parries.
Actualy she could make a pretty great bonus boss in a Sekiro style video game.[/QUOTE]
I think the main point is that you don't hear characters like magneto and marvel girl classified as such. if ororo is they certainly should be as well.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5745454]I think the main point is that you don't hear characters like magneto and marvel girl classified as such. if ororo is they certainly should be as well.[/QUOTE]
Oh good point. Nevermind then. Personaly i see the likes of Magneto, Jean Grey and Storm as "barriered glass cannons", but if the "shield" (magnetic sphere, TK barrier, wind/air/electirc barriers) ability disqualifies them from the glass cannon status i fail to see why Storm should be thrown in there.
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[QUOTE=Grunty;5745472]Oh good point. Nevermind then. Personaly i see the likes of Magneto, Jean Grey and Storm as "barriered glass cannons", but if the "shield" (magnetic sphere, TK barrier, wind/air/electirc barriers) ability disqualifies them from the glass cannon status i fail to see why Storm should be thrown in there.[/QUOTE]
yes agreed with all of this. I've always said a bullet to head head could take any of those characters out but their powers put them in a place to where they can defend themselves from such an attack.
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[QUOTE=Grunty;5745449]She is one in the sense that if she recieves a strong physical hit to her body, which is still on par with normal humans in terms of durability, she will be in trouble. Like a Dark Souls boss where the trick is not to deal a lot of damage, but to get them on the ground, reach them and get their barrier down ... and avoid the counters and parries.
Actualy she could make a pretty great bonus boss in a Sekiro style video game.[/QUOTE]
Ok but my point is …….. a competent Storm using her powers would be protected by :
a sphere of negative cyclonic pressure,
an electromagnetic force field,
a sheet of the densest ice armor,
And plasma shields of any size and shape (she can really give lightning any form she wants)
She’s far from a glass cannon, she’s not cyclops or havok.
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so how many shields can ororo make? we have her most recent "cosmic" shield, her emp shield she did to save Xandra, and then her air pressure shield. now we need like an ice/water shield. the versatility with our girl is amazing!
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Theoretically if Storm can caution wind not to leave her and to keep itself warm in the vacuum of space, couldn't she also just tell it to not let anything touch her.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5745510]Theoretically if Storm can caution wind not to leave her and to keep itself warm in the vacuum of space, couldn't she also just tell it to not let anything touch her.[/QUOTE]
That’s what a negative pressure bubble around her would do
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5745503]so how many shields can ororo make? we have her most recent "cosmic" shield, her emp shield she did to save Xandra, and then her air pressure shield. now we need like an ice/water shield. the versatility with our girl is amazing![/QUOTE]
And we are not even taking into consideration how Ororo’s ability to manipulate electrons could reasonably make her invulnerable or if necessary a very fast healer when applied to the molecular bonds making up her physical body
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5745516]That’s what a negative pressure bubble around her would do[/QUOTE]
omg I would love for her to do something like this.
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5745526]And we are not even taking into consideration how Ororo’s ability to manipulate electrons could reasonably make her invulnerable or if necessary a very fast healer when applied to the molecular bonds making up her physical body[/QUOTE]
dae you really need to be writing s a storm solo. like seriously.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5745562]dae you really need to be writing s a storm solo. like seriously.[/QUOTE]
I’m not cut for drama writing but I would enjoy working at a detailed marvel handbook like the ones the use to publish in in the 80’s, This is how I imagine Ororo’s cyclonic negative pressure shield for basic defensive purposes:
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5745438]I heard about that documentary I thought it already came out. and I came across that video that I cant find now where she discussing being a xmen fan as a kid collecting the cards and loving storm.[/QUOTE]
nah it's coming out in January. It's gonna be a 2 part series about 2hrs each so there's gonna be a lot of unseen footage. As far as that interview i've been trying to find it too. It used to be on youtube but youtube always taking s**t down
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[QUOTE=Daedra;5745609]I’m not cut for drama writing but I would enjoy working at a detailed marvel handbook like the ones the use to publish in in the 80’s, This is how I imagine Ororo’s cyclonic negative pressure shield for basic defensive purposes:
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thank you for this diagram. I cannot believe I've never seen anyone, a fan, suggest this. it literally would make her invulnerable to all attacks. I need this to happen like asap.
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5745621]nah it's coming out in January. It's gonna be a 2 part series about 2hrs each so there's gonna be a lot of unseen footage. As far as that interview i've been trying to find it too. It used to be on youtube but youtube always taking s**t down[/QUOTE]
thats exactly where I saw that video on YouTube. perhaps they took it down because of this upcoming documentary.
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I believe this is marvel superheroes #6.
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[QUOTE=Ororo101;5745261]I see what you’re saying in regards to Jean, especially if she is using her psionic form. I would think though that I depends on if the bullet puts her down before she can telekinetically atomize it/repair herself. Which, knowing how integral concentration is for psi powers, might be difficult with a hemorr*****g temple wound. Realistically as I believe you’re implying, neither of those 3 characters should have any concern over bullets/most projectiles in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Yes, unless they are taken by surprise bullets aren't a problem for any of them.
[QUOTE=Grunty;5745472]Oh good point. Nevermind then. Personaly i see the likes of Magneto, Jean Grey and Storm as "barriered glass cannons", but if the "shield" (magnetic sphere, TK barrier, wind/air/electirc barriers) ability disqualifies them from the glass cannon status i fail to see why Storm should be thrown in there.[/QUOTE]
That should be a sub-category IMO.It's how much they use said shield's that establish their status.Hopefully we get some more defensive feats for Storm coming up
