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[QUOTE=Mercury;5669824]And again, you underestimate Jean. Jean did what she had to to knock Storm out in X-Men: Red, and she was still being gentle. Jean very rarely cuts loose with her telepathy because she doesn’t just penetrate people’s minds, she fries them.
Edit: I’m not getting into this debate, though, lol. Emma has literally been able to take Storm’s psyche out of her body and she isn’t as strong a telepath as Jean. The panels and pages are there.[/QUOTE]
Oh I am not underestimating jean you of all people know I ama sting proponent to her power.... But Ororo is a beast when it comes to telepathic opponents she being knocked out could be attributed to having a robot in her brain.... Emma took over her body the first time which made storm understand how telepathy works abd made her an even deadlier opponent against telepaths. The next time Emma tried it she got a lightning bolt to the head instantaneously.
Abd yh jean could get in there but once storm realizes her mind has been defiled well go ask legion/xman how storm Felt about them taking over her mind.
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[QUOTE=Mercury;5669822]The only thing that tripped Emma up though was that she couldn’t control the weather she was “manipulating.” Storm had to ask Emma to let her into her mind.
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Duhhh because to command storms power takes extraordinary will power will power that with exception of magneto and Charles none can rival. Infact she has the strongest will of all the xmen that already is bad news for a telepath now combine it with electromagnetic static and technical know how in how telepathy works abd you have a nightmare opponent against any telepath.
Storm's will is second to none her will is soo strong she hosted eternity with no reprecausions to her whatsoever, can withstand the combined telepathic assault of Charles, oracle and Betsy all together and that was her being taken by surprise.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669693]yes and let's not forget Jean with phoenix couldn't probe too deeply either because of the static around her brain:
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But this is NOT Jean using the Phoenix, this is Jean's power alone. And she does not want to intrude nor hurt her friend.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669859]Duhhh because to command storms power takes extraordinary will power will power that with exception of magneto and Charles none can rival. Infact she has the strongest will of all the xmen that already is bad news for a telepath now combine it with electromagnetic static and technical know how in how telepathy works abd you have a nightmare opponent against any telepath.[/quote]
My point was, she had to [I]ask[/I] Emma to let her into her mind, whereas Emma simply swapped her mind out as if she were simply changing a pair of socks. Mind you, I hate that Emma did this and then was intimate with Shaw using Ororo’s body - one of several reasons I can’t bring myself to love her as a character. She’s had moments I’ve liked but she’s crossed the line into abuse way too many times for my tastes and has never been made to answer for these perpetrations. Anyway, I digress. Bottom line is, she didn’t just penetrate Storm’s mind, she yanked it out of her body and put it into her own, only to take over Ororo’s body.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669859] Storm's will is second to none her will is soo strong she hosted eternity with no reprecausions to her whatsoever, can withstand the combined telepathic assault of Charles, oracle and Betsy all together and that was her being taken by surprise.[/QUOTE]
Funny, I’ve often thought the same about Jean, who has sacrificed herself - her life - a number of times for her team and the greater good. As Storm once noted:
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People that think things like Jean harbors racism as a “deep desire” or that she’s weak without the Phoenix baffle me because her history and Storm herself speak to the contrary, but to each their own. In the end, this is probably why I love them both: They are both powerful to a degree that, in my opinion, is equal, and they both have wills that are transcendent of themselves and those around them. I honestly think they would kill each other if they both cut completely loose on one another. Neither would be left standing.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669845][COLOR="#A9A9A9"]Well absolute zero is a theoretical freeze limit in science bobby is an omega with the ability to freeze I wouldn't put it out of the ream of possibility. Sane for storm as she has both positive and negative temperature manipulation as part of her omega power.
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[COLOR="#A9A9A9"]I didn't say he wasn't hydrokinetic I said he is not an omega in that arena his omega ability is negative temperature manipulation his use of moisture is as a medium to freeze [/COLOR][B][COLOR="#FF0000"]but he can freeze things without moisture like light and nuclear reactions.[/COLOR][/B][COLOR="#A9A9A9"] [COLOR="#A9A9A9"]Also his hydrokinesis is molecular at their peak storm has direct control the very atoms that makes up the molecule of water that's a whole different level of power.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Freeze light and nuclear reactions? Seriously?:confused:?
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5669710]Jean Grey braiding Ororo's hair from halfway around the planet was most impressive.[/QUOTE]
don't forget she had phoenix too. it wasn't really a Jean feat but the phoenix. they are two separate entities you know.
[QUOTE=Mercury;5669725]That was Jean being gentle. Like with Carol Danvers, she didn’t want to “fry her synapses.”[/QUOTE]
Jean explicitly said she can't due to the static around her brain. which also coincides with Hickman. storm mind has to allow them in her psyche to prob deeper to find the virus.
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[QUOTE=Mercury;5669784]This is interesting. Emma Frost used her telepathy to swap bodies with Storm. However, Emma wasn’t skilled at weather manipulation and lost control, giving Storm the chance to use Emma’s powers to swap bodies again.
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Emma did not use her telepathy to switch bodies with Storm she used the gun shown in the picture.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5669892]don't forget she had phoenix too. it wasn't really a Jean feat but the phoenix. they are two separate entities you know.
Jean explicitly said she can't due to the static around her brain. which also coincides with Hickman. storm mind has to allow them in her psyche to prob deeper to find the virus.[/QUOTE]
1. She was not possessed by the Phoenix.
2. That was a friendly probe, if you will. That would be like Jean putting up a telekinetic shield and Storm attempting to manipulate a cool breeze around Jean only to note, “My breezes aren’t touching you because of your telekinetic shield.” That doesn’t mean Storm couldn’t manipulate gale force winds that would break through Jean’s force field, just that she isn’t choosing to be so forceful. In either case, Jean did what she did in X-Men: Red and that’s canon.
3. Again, Emma, who is not as strong as Jean, was able to remove Storm’s psyche from her body.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5669886]Freeze light and nuclear reactions? Seriously?:confused:?[/QUOTE]
Yh he froze light when fighting against juggernaut in his solo back in 2017, and before that froze a nuclear reactor whilst kissing mystique forgot that issue and run.
But yh he is omega, omega means can do crazy **** unheard of before with powers.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5669900]Emma did not use her telepathy to switch bodies with Storm she used the gun shown in the picture.[/QUOTE]
So storm did something that Emma needed a machine to do meaning storm was actually more proficient at telepathy than Emma? Well that is interesting.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5669900]Emma did not use her telepathy to switch bodies with Storm she used the gun shown in the picture.[/QUOTE]
So a gun could remove Ororo’s psyche from her body? 😂 Admittedly, I haven’t read the issue(s).
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[QUOTE=Mercury;5669907]So a gun could remove Ororo’s psyche from her body? �� Admittedly, I haven’t read the issue(s).[/QUOTE]
Yh it was a gun that changed them the first time, storm after understand the mechanics behind telepathy swapped them back without using the gun.
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5669749]I thought she was just extremely hard to put under control, you'd have to be nigh powerful To do so, which should tell you the level of threat she's up against, if somehow manage to get her under , she won't stay under to long due to her will power.[/QUOTE]
yes it is difficult and her will can free her if angry enough:
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5669912]Yh it was a gun that changed them the first time, storm after understand the mechanics behind telepathy swapped them back without using the gun.[/QUOTE]
If she had understood the mechanics of telepathy, she wouldn’t have needed to ask Emma for help, i.e., to allow her into her mind. I’m just saying.
In either case, I’ve realized debates like these will only result in circular arguments. I’m done.
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[QUOTE=Mercury;5669903]1. She was not possessed by the Phoenix.
2. That was a friendly probe, if you will. That would be like Jean putting up a telekinetic shield and Storm attempting to manipulate a cool breeze around Jean only to note, “My breezes aren’t touching you because of your telekinetic shield.” That doesn’t mean Storm couldn’t manipulate gale force winds that would break through Jean’s force field, just that she isn’t choosing to be so forceful. In either case, Jean did what she did in X-Men: Red and that’s canon.
3. Again, Emma, who is not as strong as Jean, was able to remove Storm’s psyche from her body.[/QUOTE]
Yh Emma did that before she tried again and she got fried so bringing up Emma is not going to help your argument. Also xavier himself with cerebro has told storm that under normal circumstance it takes a lot of effort for him to reach her mind with cerebro and that is when she allows it when she becomes agitated she causes him pain. This is xavier with cerebro the man who's telepathy is sooo powerful in of itself that he can link billions of minds at once with cerebro which greatly Amps that power saying that touching storms mind is actually very difficult.