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I could see them doing the identity reveal eventually,like in a final season. Particularly if the current comics status quo of an outed Clark and Jon becoming the main Superman on Earth is maintained for a few more years. I have a feeling that by the time this show reaches its fourth or fifth season,the comics,if they are still monthlies,will probably have reverted to a more traditional status quo by then,which will make such a move somewhat irrelevant.
However this show is clearly its own thing,so they could indeed do a similar plot line as the series reaches its eventual end,and probably improve on the idea. They have already done both the Lois and Clark marriage and the idea of them with kids better than the comics have.
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[QUOTE=JAK;5604750]The phase wasn't the "what" but the "how." He sets off to find how to better do what he wants - that's the will part - and his being a bit reckless about his expression of it is the phase.
That said, the one aspect of the latest episode that I wasn't as crazy about was the heavy handed push to "being a hero" specifically, even though he (chronologically-speaking, as discussed) already basically made that decision, and that aspect certainly could have been constructed better so that Clark could say "why". I would have preferred that, too. But I was willing to let it slide given just how great the rest was.[/QUOTE]
Like i said,there isn't anything that says that it's him(his decision)...i could be wrong..they could expand on the scene and tie it up back later.That's why i said,as of now.Even then they need to do something with story to solidify that decision of clark's when bad things happen to him,to call it a will.[B]To show that clark isn't a guy who gives charity because he is rich.even if he was poor,he would give away what he has and can.It's a metaphor ofcourse[/B].As said,as of now it sticks out sore thump and doesn't connect.I think that scene was taken from an origin story in comics(I don't remember which one.it's not canon to mainline.[B]Clark wears the same style mask and goes out at first[/B]).
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[QUOTE=manwhohaseverything;5605721]Like i said,there isn't anything that says that it's him(his decision)...i could be wrong..they could expand on the scene and tie it up back later.That's why i said,as of now.Even then they need to do something with story to solidify that decision of clark's when bad things happen to him,to call it a will.[B]To show that clark isn't a guy who gives charity because he is rich.even if he was poor,he would give away what he has and can.It's a metaphor ofcourse[/B].As said,as of now it sticks out sore thump and doesn't connect.I think that scene was taken from an origin story in comics(I don't remember which one.it's not canon to mainline.[B]Clark wears the same style mask and goes out at first[/B]).[/QUOTE]
I took the initial thing more as a natural calling - and his will follows that because it's his natural instinct and reaction. But I definitely agree that they need to make that a stronger point of that. "Heroism is destiny" is too easy of a writers' trap to fall in, and while it may seem good (to the writers) for them to include that since other iterations did, I agree that it doesn't service the character, and even goes against the way he's generally set up in the show.
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[QUOTE=JAK;5605790]I took the initial thing more as a natural calling - and his will follows that because it's his natural instinct and reaction. But I definitely agree that they need to make that a stronger point of that. "Heroism is destiny" is too easy of a writers' trap to fall in, and while it may seem good (to the writers) for them to include that since other iterations did, I agree that it doesn't service the character, and even goes against the way he's generally set up in the show.[/QUOTE]
You see,i like the natural instinct reasoning.I love characters like that.That's the reason i love goldenage heroes and pulp heroes.I mean,jon is basically that in this story.He jumps in between jordan and the bully,recklessly(what can i say i like reckless dudes).In the first episode,he jumps in to save jordan from falling pipes.here,snyder movies and many things fail because it doesn't spell it out for the audience that it's instinct .other than some throw away line that hints it.
[B]"The only way you can dissappear is for you to stop helping people altogether.And i sense that's not an option for you".
I believe this is not enough..[/B]
I think my hero acedamia(if you seen it.the first episodes is basically deku and allmight risking their life and jumping to protect/shield people) and cap movies does it better as well(steve with the grenade.."is this a test?").These moments with jon,cap,deku/allmight ..etc also has double impact because they are risking themselves by jumping in,yet they jumped in without a thought.
[B]"There are stories about every hero, how they became great. Most have one thing in common, their bodies moved before they had a chance to think, almost on their own. And today, thatÂ’s what happened to you."[/B]
With jon they have did that to a large degree.Moreover,[B]you need to make it clear that instincts alone isn't why the guy is great.And that the guy chose to be whatever he is[/B]. with jon they did that as well."My skills are legit" thing...[B]A bit vanila in jon's case[/B]..i know..But it works for me.
Edit-Also,american alien did this...
[Url="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MUgegWANMfQ/Vsbg2VnB3QI/AAAAAAAAEOA/ryJZCa2udoI/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg"]clark making choice[/url]
[url="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O9PqgPOfXrU/VsbgzdZPUKI/AAAAAAAAEOA/qOUVzOFgJ-U/s1600-Ic42/RCO001.jpg"]consequences[/url]
[url="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QeyXl0U6Um0/Vsbg4X9SCpI/AAAAAAAAEOA/ExkFqupx2Ow/s1600-Ic42/RCO024.jpg"]clark having a debate with ma for the need of action[/url]
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[QUOTE=manwhohaseverything;5605887]You see,i like the natural instinct reasoning.I love characters like that.That's the reason i love goldenage heroes and pulp heroes.I mean,jon is basically that in this story.He jumps in between jordan and the bully,recklessly(what can i say i like reckless dudes).In the first episode,he jumps in to save jordan from falling pipes.here,snyder movies and many things fail because it doesn't spell it out for the audience that it's instinct .other than some throw away line that hints it.
[B]"The only way you can dissappear is for you to stop helping people altogether.And i sense that's not an option for you".
I believe this is not enough..[/B]
I think my hero acedamia(if you seen it.the first episodes is basically deku and allmight risking their life and jumping to protect/shield people) and cap movies does it better as well(steve with the grenade.."is this a test?").These moments with jon,cap,deku/allmight ..etc also has double impact because they are risking themselves by jumping in,yet they jumped in without a thought.
[B]"There are stories about every hero, how they became great. Most have one thing in common, their bodies moved before they had a chance to think, almost on their own. And today, thatÂ’s what happened to you."[/B]
With jon they have did that to a large degree.Moreover,[B]you need to make it clear that instincts alone isn't why the guy is great.And that the guy chose to be whatever he is[/B]. with jon they did that as well."My skills are legit" thing...[B]A bit vanila in jon's case[/B]..i know..But it works for me.
Edit-Also,american alien did this...
[Url="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MUgegWANMfQ/Vsbg2VnB3QI/AAAAAAAAEOA/ryJZCa2udoI/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg"]clark making choice[/url]
[url="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O9PqgPOfXrU/VsbgzdZPUKI/AAAAAAAAEOA/qOUVzOFgJ-U/s1600-Ic42/RCO001.jpg"]consequences[/url]
[url="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QeyXl0U6Um0/Vsbg4X9SCpI/AAAAAAAAEOA/ExkFqupx2Ow/s1600-Ic42/RCO024.jpg"]clark having a debate with ma for the need of action[/url][/QUOTE]
Oh, completely agree. I think they're trying to "thread the needle" (as the saying goes) since instinct is strong in Clark, but there've been many popular iterations where it's more of a forgone conclusion for everyone *but* Clark that he'll be "a hero" in some kind of grand-but-vague way. I'm good with instinct+will+upbringing+encouragement=destiny, but that's about as far as I prefer to go with it. I can run a bit with the "greater purpose" stuff, but only if everything else sells it to the point where that's just something I can forget about.
This show seems to want to encompass as many aspects of Superman as possible, and I can absolutely respect that, but I'm hoping we'll see more on the instinct/force of will side than anything else... though, thankfully, this isn't an origin story for Clark, so most of what we'll see with that is in the past - which I don't think we'll get a whole ton of, in the long run. So in that respect, it doesn't matter as much here as it does in other versions. But I'd still like to see that made clear.
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Well, we saw him still fighting crime and helping people before he even came to the Fortress so I think that's enough evidence that heroism was always his inclination.
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An identity reveal feels inevitable in this show...simply because they keep mentioning the secret identity’s importance to Clark
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[QUOTE=kryptonian;5606659]An identity reveal feels inevitable in this show...simply because they keep mentioning the secret identity’s importance to Clark[/QUOTE]
Isn't that a given, though, when it's an established significant part of the character?
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[QUOTE=Frontier;5606457]Well, we saw him still fighting crime and helping people before he even came to the Fortress so I think that's enough evidence that heroism was always his inclination.[/QUOTE]
Definitely - that's the "instinct part came first" I mentioned. I'm glad to see that's in the mix, I'm just voicing that I hope it stays the dominant aspect, in the long run. :)
[QUOTE=kryptonian;5606659]An identity reveal feels inevitable in this show...simply because they keep mentioning the secret identity’s importance to Clark[/QUOTE]
Maybe. I actually kinda wonder if they're not doing that more as a rebuttal of what's happening in the comics now; almost like "that doesn't make sense and we're going to show you why."
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The show seems to really emphasize that contrast between the mundane real life stuff and the Superheroics which would become more muddled if they outed the whole family in my opinion.
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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4wLX21XoAY1wMW?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Vordan;5608514][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4wLX21XoAY1wMW?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Doomguy...with a hammer ;).
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[QUOTE=Frontier;5608952]Doomguy...with a hammer ;).[/QUOTE]
It would be funny if they acknowledged that in universe. Like having Jon or Jordan say that as a way to describe what Steel's armor looks like.
It could be a nickname before Steel debuts.
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[QUOTE=the illustrious mr. kenway;5608964]It would be funny if they acknowledged that in universe. Like having Jon or Jordan say that as a way to describe what Steel's armor looks like.
It could be a nickname before Steel debuts.[/QUOTE]
Jon's had some doozy's (GI jerknuts comes to mind ;) ) so I wouldn't put it past him.
Would be cool if at the end of the season they show an S logo getting etched or bolted on that suit.
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[QUOTE=The Frog Bros;5609010]Jon's had some doozy's (GI jerknuts comes to mind ;) ) so I wouldn't put it past him.
Would be cool if at the end of the season they show an S logo getting etched or bolted on that suit.[/QUOTE]
Something like this would be awesome:
[video=youtube;SCVSUksspG8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCVSUksspG8[/video]