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[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;5399117]Again, chain of command and authority take precedence in times of war. It's not about friendship. Okoye wasn't even offended by Shuri doing that and recognised she was wrong...[/quote]
Yep.
[quote] ... Just doing something or being credited for a thing is not enough: a character is best when they're [I]active[/I] and not passive. [/quote]
Yep.
[quote] In [I]King in Black: Black Panther[/I], T'Challa was an active character. He formulated the plans, he assigned others secondary tasks and he was the one that ultimately was the one that detonated the energy wave that saved Wakanda. Did Okoye, Shuri and the countless Wakandan soldiers and citizens help? Yes, but he made the plan and struck the final blow. [/quote]
Yep.
[quote]That's not just how to write him but how to write an active character. He isn't taking part in a plan: He [I]is[/I] the plan.[/QUOTE]
The title of the book is THE BLACK PANTHER.
Not, WAKANDANS DOING STUFF or STORM & HER FRIENDS AND WORSHIPPERS.
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[QUOTE=Redjack;5399531]Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
The title of the book is THE BLACK PANTHER.
Not, WAKANDANS DOING STUFF or STORM & HER FRIENDS AND WORSHIPPERS.[/QUOTE]
nor is Tanehesi Coates' Black Panther book or this issue which is what this review thread is about; however, you wouldn't be aware of any of this as you stopped reading coates' bp after the rape camps from season one right?
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;5399576]Coates Excellence[/QUOTE]
indeed my friend!!!
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5399566]nor is Tanehesi Coates' Black Panther book or this issue which is what this review thread is about; however, you wouldn't be aware of any of this as you stopped reading coates' bp after the rape camps from season one right?[/QUOTE]
that's correct.
but the statements about how to write heroic fiction were all true.
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[QUOTE=Redjack;5399587]that's correct.
but the statements about how to write heroic fiction were all true.[/QUOTE]
so where do you get the impression readers of black panther would expect its story to be about " storm and her friends and worshippers?" you certainly didn't write that as such in KiB so what inspired such a statement?
also I'm sure that is not the only way to effectively write heroic fiction.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5399592]so where do you get the impression readers of black panther would expect its story to be about " storm and her friends and worshippers?" you certainly didn't write that as such in KiB so what inspired such a statement?
also I'm sure there is not the only way to effectively write heroic fiction.[/QUOTE]
from the many, MANY, comments, pro and con, about the last five years of the book.
sure, there are a lot of ways to write heroic fiction. but, when you center a given character - Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, Thor– the story is about the title charter and not the secondaries.
the black panther isn't a team book. the avengers, x-men and ff are team books.
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[QUOTE=Redjack;5399605]from the many, MANY, comments, pro and con, about the last five years of the book.
sure, there are a lot of ways to write heroic fiction. but, when you center a given character - Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, Thor– the story is about the title charter and not the secondaries.
the black panther isn't a team book. the avengers, x-men and ff are team books.[/QUOTE]
interesting. you had mentioned to me that to judge a book, specifically KiB: Black Panther, I need to be honest in how I characterized what occurred in the book. if you are going off of comments, which by the way are inaccurate, and then making a characterization about an entire run you've expressed you yourself have not read do you think that would be fair? do you think one could then claim your statements are untrue as you did mine when I provided my assessment on kib: BP which I actually read?
when does a title deviate from being about the title character and then about the secondary? how is this relevant to this review? are you claiming that this issue was about the secondary, ancillary characters and not the title character?
no one said it was a team book though.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5399609]interesting. you had mentioned to me that to judge a book, specifically KiB: Black Panther, I need to be honest in how I characterized what occurred in the book. if you are going off of comments, which by the way are inaccurate, and then making a characterization about an entire run you've expressed you yourself have not read do you think that would be fair? do you think one could then claim your statements are untrue as you did mine when I provided my assessment on kib: BP which I actually read?
when does a title deviate from being about the title character and then about the secondary? how is this relevant to this review? are you claiming that this issue was about the secondary, ancillary characters and not the title character?
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I'm making no claims beyond what i actually write. I don't do passive aggressive or subtext. I'm always very plain when I make points.
I know comments are often inaccurate, which is why I look at ALL the comments, not just the ones I like.
For instance: Shuri does not, as you said, "recoil abrasively" from being touched. She [I]calmly[/I] stands there and tells Okoye to remove her hand. They are not equals and Okoye has no business touching her without permission. Your description is not accurate.
I was speaking about the post I quoted. When i'm speaking in general terms I make a new post without any quoted text.
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[COLOR="#000080"]KiB:BP > BP #23.
No doubt.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Redjack;5399623]I'm making no claims beyond what i actually write. I don't do passive aggressive or subtext. I'm always very plain when I make points.
I know comments are often inaccurate, which is why I look at ALL the comments, not just the ones I like.
For instance: Shuri does not, as you said, "recoil abrasively" from being touched. She [I]calmly[/I] stands there and tells Okoye to remove her hand. They are not equals and Okoye has no business touching her without permission. Your description is not accurate.
I was speaking about the post I quoted. When i'm speaking in general terms I make a new post without any quoted text.[/QUOTE]
[img]https://i.ibb.co/xHR6hQm/Screenshot-20210225-153031-Samsung-Internet.jpg[/img]
looks like a recoil to me and her look and tone does appear abrasive. and maybe this is a new rule but again based upon past showings I just don't see that being a reaction she would have but I can agree to disagree here:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/2_3NP3_TncC8q4gxlICSpLrQ8XmM02WAf21-Jy4Vrua2pEsa8i6Wo6Jw64tIJGTmLDM9lrQTAnu5OQnuOUSfgOfKe6Z-_jjXYibv8AnCH6PQ4RTAljzhpqpVpbxE6XOYACl2zQUC8A=s1600[/img]
I'm also not sure what the points were about stories being about secondary characters but seeing you didn't address the question I will assume you were not talking about this occurring in BP 23.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5399649][img]https://i.ibb.co/xHR6hQm/Screenshot-20210225-153031-Samsung-Internet.jpg[/img]
looks like a recoil to me and her look and tone does appear abrasive. and maybe this is a new rule but again based upon past showings I just don't see that being a reaction she would have but I can agree to disagree here:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/2_3NP3_TncC8q4gxlICSpLrQ8XmM02WAf21-Jy4Vrua2pEsa8i6Wo6Jw64tIJGTmLDM9lrQTAnu5OQnuOUSfgOfKe6Z-_jjXYibv8AnCH6PQ4RTAljzhpqpVpbxE6XOYACl2zQUC8A=s1600[/img]
I'm also not sure what the points were about stories being about secondary characters but seeing you didn't address the question I will assume you were not talking about this occurring in BP 23.[/QUOTE]
nope. never seen that before. and, no, you're wrong on both the recoil and the "tone."
just wrong.
