[QUOTE=Houseofhick;5465746]So true. When did it go from a world that fears and hates them to humans fear and hate them?[/QUOTE]
I think the better question is when did it go from "Sworn to protect a world that hates and fears them" to "Screw the rest of the world. We're just going to take care of our own people."
[QUOTE=Alan2099;5467852]I think the better question is when did it go from "Sworn to protect a world that hates and fears them" to "Screw the rest of the world. We're just going to take care of our own people."[/QUOTE]
If we were to pick an exact date i would say it started with house of m and has just been escalated since.
[QUOTE=Cane_danko;5467857]If we were to pick an exact date i would say it started with house of m and has just been escalated since.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree, though I like how the mutants are their own Country nowadays and that some of the X-Men are torn between the old ways and the new ways.
[QUOTE=PhoenixThanos;5467906]Totally agree, though I like how the mutants are their own Country nowadays and that some of the X-Men are torn between the old ways and the new ways.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and that is only going to get worse as we go into the future. We already see it with sword in a big way.
[QUOTE=Alan2099;5467852]I think the better question is when did it go from "Sworn to protect a world that hates and fears them" to "Screw the rest of the world. We're just going to take care of our own people."[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't continue reading the franchise if that is the narrative they use after the Hickman era is done
[QUOTE=Alan2099;5467852]I think the better question is when did it go from "Sworn to protect a world that hates and fears them" to "Screw the rest of the world. We're just going to take care of our own people."[/QUOTE]
They did just save the world from the Amenth horde and Arrako....a problem mostly created by Apocalypse but still they cleaned up their mess to the worlds benefit lol.
I think there's been a disconnect because people were expecting this to seem more like a continuous story with a clear progression from a to b to c but instead it's being treated more like 'the new status quo' with no clear endgame in mind and the stories simply taking place in this world rather than furthering the overall narrative.
I don’t know how many posters here read Hickman’s run on Avengers but it’s structured fairly similarly. Tons of world building and plot over character development with pay off way down the road. For me it just made me excited for every issue but the wait can be brutal sometimes. Reading this run by Hickman when it’s all done is going the be a great day or two of just comic book goodness.
[QUOTE=Wolverine12;5468253]They did just save the world from the Amenth horde and Arrako....a problem mostly created by Apocalypse but still they cleaned up their mess to the worlds benefit lol.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't just cleaning up Apocalypse mess, they were also in the direct line of fire of where the invasion would land, plus it IS still their world too.
However the problem perceived here is not about what ever the X-men (i just use it synonymous for the heroic mutants of the Krakoan Nation, because it's still the X-men comics) are still heros or performing heroic deeds. Saving everyone regardless of what ever they like or dislike them. They very obviously still do.
It's the shift in attitude on why they are doing these deeds.
The "Sworn to protect a world that hates and fears them", line has usualy been understood as that the X-men, as classic super heros, are doing what they do because they believe in bettering the world above all else, beyond self interest or ideologies.
That they were given great powers by chance (the X-gene), which they could use for mere self interest or evil, but instead they use them for the good of all people. To make the world a better place for everyone.
But in the current state of their comics, the attitude of the mutant heros feels often less like they are doing the right because it's what they want to do, but more because it's what they should or have do it. There is this strong sense of a "noblesse oblige" attitude at the core of their actions now. That self interest and ideologies are now governing their actions primarily.
Which isn't helped by them directly talking of being "superior" and better than normal humans and considering themself and mutants as completely seperated species from them now.
Basicly the super hero core has been lost and replaced with a collective anti-hero direction.
So it feels like their tagline is now "Obliged to protect a world that hates and fears them, because humans are too dumb to realise mutants are the future, but mutants are better so they still do the right thing, duh!"
Which, as some have pointed out, seems to have really become the dominant presentation since House of M, where the focus of the X-men and mutants shifted towards self interest by necessity.
EDIT:
I mean "noblesse oblige" in the original sense of "nobility has to lead by example".
[QUOTE=Wolverine12;5468279]I don’t know how many posters here read Hickman’s run on Avengers but it’s structured fairly similarly. Tons of world building and plot over character development with pay off way down the road. For me it just made me excited for every issue but the wait can be brutal sometimes. [B]Reading this run by Hickman when it’s all done is going the be a great day or two of just comic book goodness.[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm VERY much looking forward to that. This will all read better in trade than it does single issues.
But that's the same for every comic these days, not just Hickman's output. There are no serialized comics that are fully satisfying reads until they are collected in trade.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5468375]I'm VERY much looking forward to that. This will all read better in trade than it does single issues.
But that's the same for every comic these days, not just Hickman's output. There are no serialized comics that are fully satisfying reads until they are collected in trade.[/QUOTE]
I think there is many books that issue by issue are satisfying experience
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But in the current state of their comics, the attitude of the mutant heros feels often less like they are doing the right because it's what they want to do, but more because it's what they should or have do it. There is this strong sense of a "noblesse oblige" attitude at the core of their actions now. That self interest and ideologies are now governing their actions primarily.
Which isn't helped by them directly talking of being "superior" and better than normal humans and considering themself and mutants as completely seperated species from them now.
Basicly the super hero core has been lost and replaced with a collective anti-hero direction.
So it feels like their tagline is now "Obliged to protect a world that hates and fears them, because humans are too dumb to realise mutants are the future, but mutants are better so they still do the right thing, duh!"
Which, as some have pointed out, seems to have really become the dominant presentation since House of M, where the focus of the X-men and mutants shifted towards self interest by necessity.
EDIT:
I mean "noblesse oblige" in the original sense of "nobility has to lead by example".[/QUOTE]
X-men are far more cynical now, seems like protect humans is some kinda of heavy chore
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