[QUOTE=kevinism;5525018]Please, PLEASE stop repeating this. I am gay and I hate that word. Nobody I know likes that word. It may be preferred with the people you know, but not THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.[/QUOTE]
When did the word queer which means strange became another word for homosexual?
and another thing ........When did the word gay which means joyous became another word for homosexual?
[QUOTE=kevinism;5525018]Please, PLEASE stop repeating this. I am gay and I hate that word. Nobody I know likes that word. It may be preferred with the people you know, but not THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.[/QUOTE]
What would your preferred term be for a throuple? Let me know, please. I am seriously NOT trying to offend the LGBTQ+ community. I will use whatever term you want me ro use.
I don't want to pick sides but unless something happens on page or a creator says something like they did with Speed, Scott and Logan being bi is still in the speculation category.
We already went through this with Logan after that Nightcrawler cover.
If either, or both of, Cyclops and Wolverine are gay or bisexual does it matter? I mean are people actually offended by the perceived sexuality of fictional characters? If you are then the problem is yours, not the writer, not other fans, not the characters. It surely isn't a massive stretch to believe that a character doesn't fully acknowledge their complete sexuality until a little later in life. I'm pretty sure most of us (at least those my age) know someone that's happened to.
Does it make a difference to whether they can fight? Or save the world? Or interact with their teams? Does it mean there are fewer story options going forward?
I don't think so, I'm reading the books, it might not have been something I'd have suggested, but all it's done is make me raise an eyebrow. It hasn't ruined my enjoyment of the books.
Maybe just relax about it and enjoy the stories.
[QUOTE=Starrius;5525080]When did the word queer which means strange became another word for homosexual?
and another thing ........When did the word gay which means joyous became another word for homosexual?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/02/how-gay-came-to-mean-homosexual/[/url]
I have not read a lot about fans objecting to any character’s sexuality…it’s mostly the overall characterization. Wolverine was long established as an alpha male loner…I can’t imagine him sharing his partner…that infers equality. Scott has always been portrayed as arrow straight and rigid ( that’s straight as in bound by codes, and inflexible, not in its sexual orientation meaning) . Being sexually adventurous seems so out of character for him…unless it’s all part of the re birth process messing with people…
[QUOTE=Big Joe;5525341]If either, or both of, Cyclops and Wolverine are gay or bisexual does it matter? I mean are people actually offended by the perceived sexuality of fictional characters? If you are then the problem is yours, not the writer, not other fans, not the characters. It surely isn't a massive stretch to believe that a character doesn't fully acknowledge their complete sexuality until a little later in life. I'm pretty sure most of us (at least those my age) know someone that's happened to.
Does it make a difference to whether they can fight? Or save the world? Or interact with their teams? Does it mean there are fewer story options going forward?
I don't think so, I'm reading the books, it might not have been something I'd have suggested, but all it's done is make me raise an eyebrow. It hasn't ruined my enjoyment of the books.
Maybe just relax about it and enjoy the stories.[/QUOTE]
I mean if the source of the "offense" is the story, then the writer has some blame. ;)
Also I don't think anyone's offended, it's just a speculation debate.
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;5525335]I don't want to pick sides but unless something happens on page or a creator says something like they did with Speed, Scott and Logan being bi is still in the speculation category.
We already went through this with Logan after that Nightcrawler cover.[/QUOTE]
More of the old same again.
People just love to bully their way into canon, but that is not how canon works
[QUOTE=Rang10;5525533]More of the old same again.
People just love to bully their way into canon, but that is not how canon works[/QUOTE]
I agree that bi Scott and Logan isn't canon, because future writers can just say that they're living together because of Jean.
Still didn't you just call out the writers for queerbaiting? I can't really get mad at fans who latch onto the hints that the writers purposefully dangle in front of them, let alone call them bullies.
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5525636]I agree that bi Scott and Logan isn't canon, because future writers can just say that they're living together because of Jean.
Still didn't you just call out the writers for queerbaiting? I can't really get mad at fans who latch onto the hints that the writers purposefully dangle in front of them, let alone call them bullies.[/QUOTE]
They havee been living on mansion for years. It i snot the big deal that people want to make
Hints? they just interpret on the way that they want without any proof. It is pure queerbaiting and I wont be played by it
[QUOTE=Rang10;5525533]More of the old same again.
People just love to bully their way into canon, but that is not how canon works[/QUOTE]
Except we know that Scott+Jean+Logan is happening. That IS a thing depicted in the comics.
We may not know that Scott and Logan are a thing or rather the primary thing. That is speculation. We only know Scott and Logan are happening within the context of the Scott+Jean+Logan throuple.
And it is NOT bullying to discuss what the comics are showing.
If you want to blame someone, then blame Hickman, not fellow readers like me or others.
[QUOTE=Brian B;5525644]Except we know that Scott+Jean+Logan is happening. That IS a thing depicted in the comics.
We may not know that Scott and Logan are a thing or rather the primary thing. That is speculation. We only know Scott and Logan are happening within the context of the Scott+Jean+Logan throuple.
And it is NOT bullying to discuss what the comics are showing.
If you want to blame someone, then blame Hickman, not fellow readers like me or others.[/QUOTE]
we know that jean kissed Logan, and nothing more. Scott knows about it? nobody knows. people can speculate whatever but that doesn't no make canon. Wanting it o make anon and pressing people for it, for me is bullying. you dont have any proof
it is bery stanlished that Scott and Logan arent lovers or LGBT. We saw every thought they have for decades.
I don’t think anyone should be offended by the depiction of Scott+Jean+Logan. I do think people need to relax about these topics, don’t be so uptight about it.
However, I was raised in a very traditional and by today’s standards a religiously conservative environment—religion, NOT politics, which believe it or not used to be a separate thing—and I am still a believer. I can understand why people are not fans of depictions of alternative lifestyles in fiction if it involves more than a couple.
I fully support LGBQT+ people and their rights, including rights to marry, to health care through partner benefits, to have children, to adopt children, to any tax benefits, and much more — to live freely in the pursuit of happiness, like everyone.
I fully support people in polyamorous relationships and their rights as well, though I’m not exactly sure how adoption would work for more than two people.
I do not believe in excluding from society people who have done nothing wrong to society. I believe in the rights of people to live freely.
But more than a couple people isn’t something that I necessarily see as automatically equivalent to a couple. I can understand how an audience maybe upset at the depiction of sexual relationships involving more than two people depicted. It does go on in real life. It’s something that happens. Depicting it in fiction ought to not be off limits. I don’t think people who live in that lifestyle ought to be personally or politically persecuted over it, either. That would be wrong. It is a fine line, though.
Polygamy is often ripe for the abuse of people, especially children. I would imagine polyandry can involve some of the same dynamics. I’m not saying people should in any way be prevented from engaging in or depicting polyamory. But I think we as a country of laws and rights need to be educated and smart about this.
All that said, what Hickman has really done is pick up the ball Chris Claremont set up on the field hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of issues ago, and Hickman’s run with it. That’s all that’s happening between Scott+Jean+Logan.
We need a name for this throuple, like Benifer has a name. (Are Ben and JLo really back? :D )
What about “Scloannie?” “Cyphine?” “Lottie?” :D
At least the Hickman run is not boring.
Honestly feel like what's going on with Kitty Pryde is more queerbaiting than the throuple situation. One-off panel of her kissing a woman seeming to confirm her as bi, no follow up and she's not featured on any of the materials for Marvel's Voices: Pride.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5525655]we know that jean kissed Logan, and nothing more. Scott knows about it? nobody knows. people can speculate whatever but that doesn't no make canon. Wanting it o make anon and pressing people for it, for me is bullying. you dont have any proof
it is bery stanlished that Scott and Logan arent lovers or LGBT. We saw every thought they have for decades.[/QUOTE]
So, you’re calling Jeannie a cheater then? Hogwash.
Dude, the three of them live in a suite of three rooms without any doors, together. Hickman has confirmed in interviews that they ARE, the three of them, living together in a sexual relationship. AND, NO ONE [I]just[/I] makes out naked in a hot tub alone.
People may sit together naked and platonically in a hot tub. But two people, alone and naked in a hot tub, making out do NOT stop with kissing.
Last, your definition of bullying is garbage.
You have made perfectly clear that you do not agree with what is being depicted in the comics. But don’t try to claim the creators are not clearly showing the throuple. They are. This is the X-Men, NOT porn. Have some taste and maturity, and accept they’re not going to show you a more explicit sex scene then the one they have shown between Logan and Jean. That’s your clear depiction right there, in X-Force.