What do you think of Hickmans X-Men so far, still Interested or Not ??

[QUOTE=sunofdarkchild;5497562]Saying Secret Wars disproves anything is like saying Cassandra Nova didn't kill anyone because they're alive on Krakoa now. And even if it was before AvX, it wasn't a true look at multiple universes, it was a new world with bits and pieces of dead universes stitched together into something new with everyone aware of the status quo of there being other versions of themselves and how Doom and Strange were running everything as gods. Like in Inferno where the world ended not far from the borders of New York. And with Doom being a literal god, is it that surprising he created a new world where one of his greatest mistakes when he was mortal never happened?[/QUOTE]

Exactly

Also Shadow King travelled through universes as Wanda damaged all reality in such a way. And as for not being multiversal. Surprisingly Shadow King has been alleged to be multiversal.

i think this is the age of apocalypse wanda being used here as an example
[url]https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Wanda_Maximoff_(Clone)_(Earth-295[/url])

[QUOTE=m4st4;5497486]I'm here for Hickman and because of Hickman and his PoXHoX, so naturally I'll stick around. But right now I'm also worried cause he is not writing X-Men after #21 and I'm wondering if his new book is a way of stepping out and leaving all of the other creators take over or just another Secret Avenger type that is definitely crucial to the overarching narrative of the Krakoan era.

I'm reading X-Men, S.W.O.R.D., Hellions, Marauders and X-Force monthly but none of it was on the level of HoXPoX... yet. Which is worrying but I have patience since those books were just miles ahead of the competition and you just can't print something like that once every few months.[/QUOTE]

Hox/Pox definitely set a high bar. Fingers crossed that the unknown ending to Hickman's story makes it a worthy contender. It's hard to tell at this point, at least for me. I have more faith in him than the other writers. Some seem to be making the most of this era, while others seem to have stories that could have been told during a different era.

[QUOTE=sunofdarkchild;5497562]Saying Secret Wars disproves anything is like saying Cassandra Nova didn't kill anyone because they're alive on Krakoa now. And even if it was before AvX, it wasn't a true look at multiple universes, it was a new world with bits and pieces of dead universes stitched together into something new with everyone aware of the status quo of there being other versions of themselves and how Doom and Strange were running everything as gods. Like in Inferno where the world ended not far from the borders of New York. And with Doom being a literal god, is it that surprising he created a new world where one of his greatest mistakes when he was mortal never happened?[/QUOTE]
Of course it disproves, if they have powers there what Beast said was a lie. They are worlds saved by doom, he had no interestt on repower anyone

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5497383]Wasn't Wanda being influenced/amplified by some external cosmic force or something? I swear there was something along those lines to retcon away the mistake Marvel barreled their way into. If so, it's possible she was able to effect other universes.[/QUOTE]

Not enough to make it multiversal, it was barely enough to do with most mutants on earth. Like magma wasn't affected but her boyfriend was

[QUOTE=Rang10;5497985]Of course it disproves, if they have powers there what Beast said was a lie. They are worlds saved by doom, he had no interestt on repower anyone



Not enough to make it multiversal, it was barely enough to do with most mutants on earth. Like magma wasn't affected but her boyfriend was[/QUOTE]

No it doesn't, secret wars was patches of universes pieced together. They had boundaries. And this also occured after AvX.

Magma was protected by Dr Strange and Emma, its clearly shown to have affected mutants in other universes. It's also stated several times on panel

[QUOTE=ExodusCloak;5497557]Yes the life force which is conveniently used as a defence for her by saying she was possessed. The life force is multiversal. This is why AoA Wandas warp was so short she didn't have the life force[/QUOTE]

I guess I can't criticize much considering my favorite is Scott and he's been under the influence before. All I can do is accept the things he's done, provide context (not excuses), and carry on.

[QUOTE=Rang10;5497985]Of course it disproves, if they have powers there what Beast said was a lie. They are worlds saved by doom, he had no interestt on repower anyone



Not enough to make it multiversal, it was barely enough to do with most mutants on earth. Like magma wasn't affected but her boyfriend was[/QUOTE]

I don't know, I think [B]ExodusCloak[/B] has made a pretty good case here. Maybe it is a matter of interpretation, but even if the worst read is taken here, there's context to Wanda's action and I guess people think Hickman is going to use Wanda and the NMM thing in some way, so we'll see?

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5498113]I don't know, I think [B]ExodusCloak[/B] has made a pretty good case here. Maybe it is a matter of interpretation, but even if the worst read is taken here, there's context to Wanda's action and I guess people think Hickman is going to use Wanda and the NMM thing in some way, so we'll see?[/QUOTE]

I don't know what different interpretation if we never saw these these multiverse mutants depowered

[QUOTE=ExodusCloak;5498044]No it doesn't, secret wars was patches of universes pieced together. They had boundaries. And this also occured after AvX.

Magma was protected by Dr Strange and Emma, its clearly shown to have affected mutants in other universes. It's also stated several times on panel[/QUOTE]

Strange and emma just protected the ones that were close to them.

Secret wars showed that mutants on multiverse were fine

[QUOTE=Rang10;5498194]I don't know what different interpretation if we never saw these these multiverse mutants depowered



Strange and emma just protected the ones that were close to them.

Secret wars showed that mutants on multiverse were fine[/QUOTE]

Endangered species showed that there were mutants that were depowered hence the many Beasts searching for a solution.

No read the scan they protected the remaining mutants. It didn't say the vicinity as Polaris and Magneto were there and got depowered

No read secret wars and see the world Doom made was pieces of universes stitched together like a quilt not full universes as they were destroyed. Doom cobbled together small pieces of universes that were destroyed

With what dropped today, how can an X-Fan NOT be interested?

It needs to be more cohesive. You have too many mediocre writers on the x-books like Ben Percy shitting all over the narrative.

[QUOTE=Rang10;5498194]I don't know what different interpretation if we never saw these these multiverse mutants depowered[/QUOTE]

It's plausible based on what we saw through the main books.

[QUOTE=Rang10;5498194]Strange and emma just protected the ones that were close to them.

Secret wars showed that mutants on multiverse were fine[/QUOTE]

Secret Wars wasn't complete universes though, they were just copies/imitations. I don't think that disproves the idea that Wanda could've reached into the multiverse.

[QUOTE=Lady Midnight;5498242]With what dropped today, how can an X-Fan NOT be interested?[/QUOTE]

What dropped today?

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5498294]It's plausible based on what we saw through the main books.



Secret Wars wasn't complete universes though, they were just copies/imitations. I don't think that disproves the idea that Wanda could've reached into the multiverse.[/QUOTE]

I need to see with my eyes, if she was that powerful Strang and Emma couldn't had stopped her.

They weren't copies, they were cut and paste from original universes

[QUOTE=Rang10;5498335]I need to see with my eyes, if she was that powerful Strang and Emma couldn't had stopped her.

They weren't copies, they were cut and paste from original universes[/QUOTE]

Secret Wars opened with only 616 and 1610 left though. Unless Doom had already put those other universes apart somehow?

[QUOTE=Rang10;5498194]I don't know what different interpretation if we never saw these these multiverse mutants depowered



Strange and emma just protected the ones that were close to them.

Secret wars showed that mutants on multiverse were fine[/QUOTE]
Those were bits of universe [B]before[/B] the Pretenders Decimation

[QUOTE=BroHomo;5499695]Those were bits of universe [B]before[/B] the Pretenders Decimation[/QUOTE]

No reason for Doom do this he hates mutants

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5498296]What dropped today?[/QUOTE]

Way of X aka Book of things wrong with Krakoa aka if you were complaining about Krakoa this book kinda tells you are right

But I think the poster was talking about a quality booking dropping. Anyways it looks like they are venturing out in some more different directions to me covering parts of the fan base they are currently reaching.

I find the x-men so interesting now, i am hoping we never go back to the x-mansion.

[QUOTE=Killerbee911;5499773]Way of X aka Book of things wrong with Krakoa aka if you were complaining about Krakoa this book kinda tells you are right

But I think the poster was talking about a quality booking dropping. Anyways it looks like they are venturing out in some more different directions to me covering parts of the fan base they are currently reaching.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I leafed through it when I picked up my pull today, and while interesting, it's a little too late. Why wasn't this a launch book? SMH.

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5499943]Okay, I leafed through it when I picked up my pull today, and while interesting, it's a little too late. Why wasn't this a launch book? SMH.[/QUOTE]

You need to develop the problems in story before you address the need for correction. We couldn’t discuss the morality of the crucible at launch because we didn’t know what the crucible was at launch, etc, etc.

[QUOTE=Rang10;5499747]No reason for Doom do this he hates mutants[/QUOTE]

So why include them at all?

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5499943]Okay, I leafed through it when I picked up my pull today, and while interesting, it's a little too late. Why wasn't this a launch book? SMH.[/QUOTE]

One of problem is with some of readers why do I say this because there is no other status quo where people have demand that X-men pov is wrong. No point in the mansion did fans every go the X-men are wrong and you need prove that X-men is wrong. While the Krakoa era is flawed it shows how passively reactive the X-men are as entity and miss on the fact they could do much much more to help mutants but no group fans ever bash the status quo and demand over the X-men be wrong.

This book isn't too late there was always intention to explore some of the downside of Krakoa, They didn't put all these villains on Krakoa for nothing , The council isn't made up of people with opposing views for nothing. There is was never a need to prove Krakoa all the way wrong because X-men always has flaws. We know Hickman has purposely set up this status quo for BOTH SIDES to have legit arguments about it. The problem is that some people can't accept this status quo as good and go to extreme against it instead of understand it has good, bad and grey now. Now that people can see that Krakoa is okay they can explore all angles

[QUOTE=Killerbee911;5500148]One of problem is with some of readers why do I say this because there is no other status quo where people have demand that X-men pov is wrong. No point in the mansion did fans every go the X-men are wrong and you need prove that X-men is wrong. While the Krakoa era is flawed it shows how passively reactive the X-men are as entity and miss on the fact they could do much much more to help mutants but no group fans ever bash the status quo and demand over the X-men be wrong.

This book isn't too late there was always intention to explore some of the downside of Krakoa, They didn't put all these villains on Krakoa for nothing , The council isn't made up of people with opposing views for nothing. There is was never a need to prove Krakoa all the way wrong because X-men always has flaws. We know Hickman has purposely set up this status quo for BOTH SIDES to have legit arguments about it. The problem is that some people can't accept this status quo as good and go to extreme against it instead of understand it has good, bad and grey now. Now that people can see that Krakoa is okay they can explore all angles[/QUOTE]

The X-men began their career as heroes, not as mutant protectors. Where were they, these mutants at the beginning? Usually, when they met a mutant, he/she was a villain they had to fight.

And then, more and more mutant appeared and it has taken a political turn… with no real political solution. It was obvious that mutants created questions that cannot answered with good will and good feelings: each mutant posed problems that were specific…

Krakoa is a good idea: the extremism and nationalism feel forced and artificial to me considering it had nothing to do with the personality Xavier has shown all his life. (And I consider this stuff with Moira as rubbish…)

[QUOTE=Wolverine12;5499949]You need to develop the problems in story before you address the need for correction. We couldn’t discuss the morality of the crucible at launch because we didn’t know what the crucible was at launch, etc, etc.[/QUOTE]

That's absolutely fair. Maybe it didn't need to be a launch title, but this came out too late, when the crucible was introduced this book should've followed shortly after.

[QUOTE=Killerbee911;5500148]One of problem is with some of readers why do I say this because there is no other status quo where people have demand that X-men pov is wrong. No point in the mansion did fans every go the X-men are wrong and you need prove that X-men is wrong. While the Krakoa era is flawed it shows how passively reactive the X-men are as entity and miss on the fact they could do much much more to help mutants but no group fans ever bash the status quo and demand over the X-men be wrong.

This book isn't too late there was always intention to explore some of the downside of Krakoa, They didn't put all these villains on Krakoa for nothing , The council isn't made up of people with opposing views for nothing. There is was never a need to prove Krakoa all the way wrong because X-men always has flaws. We know Hickman has purposely set up this status quo for BOTH SIDES to have legit arguments about it. The problem is that some people can't accept this status quo as good and go to extreme against it instead of understand it has good, bad and grey now. Now that people can see that Krakoa is okay they can explore all angles[/QUOTE]

The X-Men's flaws in days past were still through the prism of heroism, they didn't work with Sinister and Apocalypse. Step back and remember that while [I]we[/I] know that there's a massive threat coming to mutantkind, no one other than Xavier and Magneto know that (AFAIK). There's no in-universe explanation for why so many characters are just going along with this.

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5500449]That's absolutely fair. Maybe it didn't need to be a launch title, but this came out too late, when the crucible was introduced this book should've followed shortly after.



The X-Men's flaws in days past were still through the prism of heroism, they didn't work with Sinister and Apocalypse. Step back and remember that while [I]we[/I] know that there's a massive threat coming to mutantkind, no one other than Xavier and Magneto know that (AFAIK). There's no in-universe explanation for why so many characters are just going along with this.[/QUOTE]
They've seen how sh!tty the human world deals with mutants and just how low on the totem pole the well-being of mutants are to the majority of humans. Genosha, Decimation, AvX, IvX....
Like for (loose) example....
If 16 million gay dudes were killed in an attack, then even worse if 99% of us turned Str8 , followed by the world's favorite celebrities picked a fight vwith what's left of us, and lastly the royal family has a roving killer Queer Gas, An island paradise of just immortal gays doesn't sound too bad. And if Milo Yiannopoulos, Colton Underwood, Jack Donovan etc are also there...it's obvious cause the promise of an undisturbed life is bigger than their sh!tty outlook on life

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5500449]That's absolutely fair. Maybe it didn't need to be a launch title, but this came out too late, when the crucible was introduced this book should've followed shortly after.



The X-Men's flaws in days past were still through the prism of heroism, they didn't work with Sinister and Apocalypse. Step back and remember that while [I]we[/I] know that there's a massive threat coming to mutantkind, no one other than Xavier and Magneto know that (AFAIK). There's no in-universe explanation for why so many characters are just going along with this.[/QUOTE]

Seems like the plans were made to launh some time after the 7th issue, but then Covid hit, then X of swords...

One things is be grey area, other thing is work with villains on a nation

[QUOTE=BroHomo;5501575]They've seen how sh!tty the human world deals with mutants and just how low on the totem pole the well-being of mutants are to the majority of humans. Genosha, Decimation, AvX, IvX....
Like for (loose) example....
If 16 million gay dudes were killed in an attack, then even worse if 99% of us turned Str8 , followed by the world's favorite celebrities picked a fight vwith what's left of us, and lastly the royal family has a roving killer Queer Gas, An island paradise of just immortal gays doesn't sound too bad. And if Milo Yiannopoulos, Colton Underwood, Jack Donovan etc are also there...it's obvious cause the promise of an undisturbed life is bigger than their sh!tty outlook on life[/QUOTE]

I don't know who those people are, sorry. I'll only say that I think I understand what you're trying to say with your analogy but I don't think it works. I assume those people are anti-gay, but I don't think they've committed atrocities on the level of Sinister or Apocalypse?

I want us to contend with the fact that in the Decimation/Utopia Era, those X-Men were vilified by some and excoriated for morally grey decisions, and yet in some ways that era was more justified in its existence. Any defense that I can think of for Krakoa applies to Utopia and yet this era gets plaudits and concerns are waved away as not understanding or respecting what's in the books.

[QUOTE=Rang10;5501619]Seems like the plans were made to launh some time after the 7th issue, but then Covid hit, then X of swords...

One things is be grey area, other thing is work with villains on a nation[/QUOTE]

What I want to know is how Covid delayed some books more than others. If the plan was always to launch WoX sooner but all books got delayed why was WoX pushed back so much farther? Doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah, I can't square it that so many characters are okay with working with so many old enemies.

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5501702]I don't know who those people are, sorry. I'll only say that I think I understand what you're trying to say with your analogy but I don't think it works. I assume those people are anti-gay, [B]but I don't think they've committed atrocities on the level of Sinister or Apocalypse?[/B]
[/QUOTE]
I mean they're alt-right gays soooo
lol
Has Apocalypse committed that many atrocities?
And Sinister could play it wasn't me but my Clone if anyone calls him out

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5501704]What I want to know is how Covid delayed some books more than others. If the plan was always to launch WoX sooner but all books got delayed why was WoX pushed back so much farther? Doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah, I can't square it that so many characters are okay with working with so many old enemies.[/QUOTE]

I think similar thing happened with Children of the Atom, it was mean to realease on april 2020 or something like that, and it was being pushed back until march 2021. it was pushed back so much that the cOutlaw event almost ended before the book was released.
I think that they thought a lot if they would release or not the book, so the big delay

X-corps was also gonna come out last year and was also post poned. They are realy thinking a lot before releaseing books, probably because of lower sales

Yeah, People who say they are villains now I think are missing the point of this era. With so much destruction that have come their way, the X-men just saying "Let's start our own island and be done with it".
Integrating with the larger World hasn't worked out for them because folks will literally build giant death robots to stop them.
Now if someone attacks them, it's a declaration of war. Essentially giving individual mutants more defence when they feel threatened.
The whole death and rebirth actually plays into a very interesting concept that X-Force has touched upon (and apparently Way of X deals with) and that's the trauma of dying. There's also that we, as readers know so little about it. Are they clones? Do they still contain the "Soul" of the mutant?

I think the phrases these books have also have some greater importance. "Dawn of X" is self explanatory, it's essentially the start of things, they are coming and this the beginning.
The connotations behind it are rather neutral.
However reign, which is believe is where a lot of the greater conflicts start to arise, has negative connotations. Reign sounds very authoritarian. Reign is a very hard sounding word and this is where we see the mutants expanding into other areas.

We know that Sword will have some kind of conflict with Guardians (see Guardians of the Galaxy #14 solicitations) and we've already seen them come into conflict with the fantastic Four.
The problem isn't them having their own island, but I can see the issues arising when they start to get too cocky and start to get close to other people's spaces.
They helped out during King in Black and Empyre, but how much of that was to protect themselves?
So far, every story (at least the ones I've read) have been about Mutants protecting themselves.
It's not like in prior stories where they've stopped another mutant from attacking civilization.
The only instance of that was way back in HOXPOX.

But honestly, I'm happy the mutants have their own sex island. Live free mutants.

The problem isn't really them 'starting their own island and being done with it'. The problems arise when they start with all the subterfuge and hypocritical talk about being so much better and superior than humanity. Like, if this era had been 90% of mutantkind getting on that island and then launching themselves into space or a galaxy far far away I could see that argument carrying water. But you can't say they just want to be left alone when they go around committing genocide and making political assassinations.

And its always been the height of hypocrisy to harp on about how horrible humanity is to mutantkind while ignoring the genocides of Apocalypse, the many attempted massacres of Mystique and Magneto, the ice age caused by Iceman, the multiple cases of mass brainwashing (including of world leaders, openly), the many, many mutants who's powers are just 'everyone around me dies', etc. etc. The comparison to real world minority groups falls apart because real world groups aren't causing/trying to cause mass death every other week.

[QUOTE=BroHomo;5501780]I mean they're alt-right gays soooo
lol
Has Apocalypse committed that many atrocities?
And Sinister could play it wasn't me but my Clive if anyone calls him out[/QUOTE]

Alt-right gays?

I mean, it's not so much the quantity as the quality of the atrocity. We all know what they've done, they're not Magneto (an anti-villiian).

[QUOTE=Rang10;5501805]I think similar thing happened with Children of the Atom, it was mean to realease on april 2020 or something like that, and it was being pushed back until march 2021. it was pushed back so much that the cOutlaw event almost ended before the book was released.
I think that they thought a lot if they would release or not the book, so the big delay

X-corps was also gonna come out last year and was also post poned. They are realy thinking a lot before releaseing books, probably because of lower sales[/QUOTE]

huh, you really think sales are causing those decisions? geez.

[QUOTE=FFJamie94;5501806]Yeah, People who say they are villains now I think are missing the point of this era. With so much destruction that have come their way, the X-men just saying "Let's start our own island and be done with it".
Integrating with the larger World hasn't worked out for them because folks will literally build giant death robots to stop them.
Now if someone attacks them, it's a declaration of war. Essentially giving individual mutants more defence when they feel threatened.
The whole death and rebirth actually plays into a very interesting concept that X-Force has touched upon (and apparently Way of X deals with) and that's the trauma of dying. There's also that we, as readers know so little about it. Are they clones? Do they still contain the "Soul" of the mutant?

I think the phrases these books have also have some greater importance. "Dawn of X" is self explanatory, it's essentially the start of things, they are coming and this the beginning.
The connotations behind it are rather neutral.
However reign, which is believe is where a lot of the greater conflicts start to arise, has negative connotations. Reign sounds very authoritarian. Reign is a very hard sounding word and this is where we see the mutants expanding into other areas.

We know that Sword will have some kind of conflict with Guardians (see Guardians of the Galaxy #14 solicitations) and we've already seen them come into conflict with the fantastic Four.
The problem isn't them having their own island, but I can see the issues arising when they start to get too cocky and start to get close to other people's spaces.
They helped out during King in Black and Empyre, but how much of that was to protect themselves?
So far, every story (at least the ones I've read) have been about Mutants protecting themselves.
It's not like in prior stories where they've stopped another mutant from attacking civilization.
The only instance of that was way back in HOXPOX.

But honestly, I'm happy the mutants have their own sex island. Live free mutants.[/QUOTE]

Well, I wouldn't call them outright villains but enough with this justification as if mutants haven't had island nations before in worse scenarios.

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5501971]huh, you really think sales are causing those decisions? geez.[/QUOTE]

The finantial aspect can't be overlooked, of course there was the pandemic that put books on hold.


[QUOTE=pkingdom;5501912]The problem isn't really them 'starting their own island and being done with it'. The problems arise when they start with all the subterfuge and hypocritical talk about being so much better and superior than humanity. Like, if this era had been 90% of mutantkind getting on that island and then launching themselves into space or a galaxy far far away I could see that argument carrying water. But you can't say they just want to be left alone when they go around committing genocide and making political assassinations.

And its always been the height of hypocrisy to harp on about how horrible humanity is to mutantkind while ignoring the genocides of Apocalypse, the many attempted massacres of Mystique and Magneto, the ice age caused by Iceman, the multiple cases of mass brainwashing (including of world leaders, openly), the many, many mutants who's powers are just 'everyone around me dies', etc. etc. The comparison to real world minority groups falls apart because real world groups aren't causing/trying to cause mass death every other week.[/QUOTE]

They trash talk humans a lot, then do things just like humans and some are capable of equal or even greater violence than humans but are welcomed because they are mutants.

[QUOTE=pkingdom;5501912]The problem isn't really them 'starting their own island and being done with it'. The problems arise when they start with all the subterfuge and hypocritical talk about being so much better and superior than humanity. Like, if this era had been 90% of mutantkind getting on that island and then launching themselves into space or a galaxy far far away I could see that argument carrying water. But you can't say they just want to be left alone when they go around committing genocide and making political assassinations.

And its always been the height of hypocrisy to harp on about how horrible humanity is to mutantkind while ignoring the genocides of Apocalypse, the many attempted massacres of Mystique and Magneto, the ice age caused by Iceman, the multiple cases of mass brainwashing (including of world leaders, openly), the many, many mutants who's powers are just 'everyone around me dies', etc. etc. The comparison to real world minority groups falls apart because real world groups aren't causing/trying to cause mass death every other week.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I've said it before, but there's a level of trepidation among humans regarding mutants that doesn't cross into bigotry territory. That needs to be explored.

[QUOTE=pkingdom;5501912]The problem isn't really them 'starting their own island and being done with it'. [B]The problems arise when they start with all the subterfuge and hypocritical talk about being so much better and superior than humanity[/B]. Like, if this era had been 90% of mutantkind getting on that island and then launching themselves into space or a galaxy far far away I could see that argument carrying water. [B] But you can't say they just want to be left alone when they go around committing genocide and making political assassinations.[/B][/QUOTE]
[B]This is a popular argument that I just don't understand. Mutants and in Large part the Xmen took the high road where it be as a superhero team still mistrusted, or as a race of people who were cool living in a world with giant death robots built to kill just them. I'm sure it gets maddening. So after all the sh!t thats happened to them they finally peace out get their own apt and can't even speak on the oppressive/crappy experience? They cant speak into existence their own strength? This whole argument reminds me of 'controversy' thAT followed the BEatles [/B]
[video=youtube_share;kZ6NL3iNNMs]https://youtu.be/kZ6NL3iNNMs[/video]
[B] I mean who wants to be on the side of History that opposes Free Love, Freedom to be a Mutant as You can Be?[/B]
OMG people be passing out they'd be so upset about Xaviers dream not being realized lol.
[B]But I mean it's not when it's to prevent devastating harm to you and yours. [/B]

[QUOTE=pkingdom;5501912]And its always been the height of hypocrisy to harp on about how horrible humanity is to mutantkind while ignoring the genocides of Apocalypse, the many attempted massacres of Mystique and Magneto, the ice age caused by Iceman, the multiple cases of mass brainwashing (including of world leaders, openly), the many, many mutants who's powers are just 'everyone around me dies', etc. etc. [B]The comparison to real world minority groups falls apart because real world groups aren't causing/trying to cause mass death every other week.[/B][/QUOTE] I mean I don't think its subjective but ACTUAL Genocide and massacres are worse than attempts. And where all these attempts by APoc?"?[B]But sometimes as a minority thats how you feell concerning the 'majority'[/B]


[QUOTE=Hizashi;5501967]Alt-right gays?
ugh, Yes lol. But somehow they cant quit me.
I mean, it's not so much the quantity as the quality of the atrocity. We all know what they've done, they're not Magneto (an anti-villiian).[/QUOTE]
Again Sinister can just claim his clone did it right?
And Im still waiting for the apparent long list of Apocalypse

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5501979]Well, I wouldn't call them outright villains but enough with this justification as if mutants haven't had island nations before in worse scenarios.[/QUOTE]
justifications?

[QUOTE=Rang10;5501982]
They trash talk humans a lot, then do things just like humans and some are capable of equal or even greater violence than humans but are welcomed because they are mutants.[/QUOTE]
Damn since when did trash talking get cancelled? I feell like all the sh!t that happened the mutants can trash talk freely damn.

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5501987]Yeah, I've said it before, but there's a level of trepidation among humans regarding mutants that doesn't cross into bigotry territory. That needs to be explored.[/QUOTE]Yeaaah I dont think thats gonna happen buddy. at least not in Xmen there wouldnt be a difference between Sage and Black WIdow

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5501987]Yeah, I've said it before, but there's a level of trepidation among humans regarding mutants that doesn't cross into bigotry territory. That needs to be explored.[/QUOTE]

The stories are told from the mutant point of view, almost never from the human point of view. So the readers tend to identify with the mutants.

The humans are rarely other than clichés: the fearful mass with the sometimes angry outbursts, the colorful radical bigots… Their point of view is mocked, not taken seriously…