What do you think of Hickmans X-Men so far, still Interested or Not ??

[QUOTE=Zelena;5502297]The stories are told from the mutant point of view, almost never from the human point of view. So the readers tend to identify with the mutants.

The humans are rarely other than clichés: the fearful mass with the sometimes angry outbursts, the colorful radical bigots… Their point of view is mocked, not taken seriously…[/QUOTE]
Yeeeeah it's a book about Mutants No one us clamoring for the racist xenophobic incel to have his story told. We can just turn on and watch television

[QUOTE=BroHomo;5502148]Again Sinister can just claim his clone did it right?
And Im still waiting for the apparent long list of Apocalypse


justifications?


Damn since when did trash talking get cancelled? I feell like all the sh!t that happened the mutants can trash talk freely damn.

Yeaaah I dont think thats gonna happen buddy. at least not in Xmen there wouldnt be a difference between Sage and Black WIdow[/QUOTE]

Clone-blaming is laughable. As for Apocalypse, that AoA is his ultimate goal, and just what he's put some of the X-Men through disqualify him IMO.

What I mean about justifications is that sometimes when Krakoa is criticized, the defense is "mutants got tired of getting kicked around, they want a sanctuary" as if those concepts haven't been explored before

It doesn't have to be another superhero character.

[QUOTE=BroHomo;5502410]Yeeeeah it's a book about Mutants No one us clamoring for the racist xenophobic incel to have his story told. We can just turn on and watch television[/QUOTE]

We could use a little more nuance than that.

The most interesting stories are when the X-men are facing mutants that are too powerful to be controlled: usually the X-men are strong enough to feel not frightened by other’s powers…

But when they faced mutants like Matthew Malloy or another super-being, the X-men are in the same position as humans: helpless, frightened, distraught… They have to rely on this super-being’s good will not to destroy everything. And sometimes it’s not a matter of being good or bad: some powers are unreliable or the mutant is insane…

It casts a new light on what it means to have a “power”, often seen as having something extra, it’s less desirable… Authors that see powers as something ambigous are more interesting, less “childish“…

After all, Krakoa is supposed to be a nation of mutants… But how can the people be considered in the same way when their powers are so different?

[QUOTE=FFJamie94;5501806]Yeah, People who say they are villains now I think are missing the point of this era. With so much destruction that have come their way, the X-men just saying "Let's start our own island and be done with it".
Integrating with the larger World hasn't worked out for them because folks will literally build giant death robots to stop them.
Now if someone attacks them, it's a declaration of war. Essentially giving individual mutants more defence when they feel threatened.[/QUOTE]

Honestly think that a lot of the backlash to this era comes from people who are uncomfortable with the idea of what is basically a persecuted minority stopping asking for handouts and instead banding together for a show of strength.

[QUOTE=pkingdom;5501912]The problem isn't really them 'starting their own island and being done with it'. The problems arise when they start with all the subterfuge and hypocritical talk about being so much better and superior than humanity. Like, if this era had been 90% of mutantkind getting on that island and then launching themselves into space or a galaxy far far away I could see that argument carrying water. But you can't say they just want to be left alone when they go around committing genocide and making political assassinations.

And its always been the height of hypocrisy to harp on about how horrible humanity is to mutantkind while ignoring the genocides of Apocalypse, the many attempted massacres of Mystique and Magneto, the ice age caused by Iceman, the multiple cases of mass brainwashing (including of world leaders, openly), the many, many mutants who's powers are just 'everyone around me dies', etc. etc. The comparison to real world minority groups falls apart because real world groups aren't causing/trying to cause mass death every other week.[/QUOTE]

That was the whole thing about the amnesty in HoXPoX though -- the reason these mutants did things was often due to unfair human laws & persecution. Mutants have never been given a fair shot so we can't hold them accountable.

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5501979]Well, I wouldn't call them outright villains but enough with this justification as if mutants haven't had island nations before in worse scenarios.[/QUOTE]

Utopia hardly counts, since there were something like 200 mutants left at the time.

As for Genosha, look how that worked out for them! Genocide. So obviously this time they're not just gonna say "ok we're leaving for our island and we're just going to trust that no one is gonna do anything". They have to be proactive.

[QUOTE=Krakoa;5502858]Honestly think that a lot of the backlash to this era comes from people who are uncomfortable with the idea of what is basically a persecuted minority stopping asking for handouts and instead banding together for a show of strength.



That was the whole thing about the amnesty in HoXPoX though -- the reason these mutants did things was often due to unfair human laws & persecution. Mutants have never been given a fair shot so we can't hold them accountable.[/QUOTE]

That's a terrible thing to infer about someone's opposing viewpoint. Not sure what would lead you to that conclusion but okay.

Certainly mutants who were just trying to get by deserve somewhere to belong, but Apocalypse gets amnesty?

[QUOTE=Krakoa;5502864]Utopia hardly counts, since there were something like 200 mutants left at the time.

As for Genosha, look how that worked out for them! Genocide. So obviously this time they're not just gonna say "ok we're leaving for our island and we're just going to trust that no one is gonna do anything". They have to be proactive.[/QUOTE]

Why the qualifiers? Utopia was a nation sanctuary in a more dire situation than the current one, yet it is denigrated where this one is applauded.

Genosha didn't have a government populated and run by X-Men, did it? If Genoshan survivors setup Krakoa, I could buy this.

Personally...I've always wanted the mutants to stand up for themselves and be proactive.
Even as far back as the Claremont days, they always seemed to be reacting to outside threats. And while now they still are reacting to an extent (and why I got quickly bored with and dropped X-Force), there is a sense of what the younglings call "agency" in their stance and an attitude that says we are no longer willing to sit idly by and have to world tell us where we must live or who to be.

[QUOTE=Krakoa;5502858]Honestly think that a lot of the backlash to this era comes from people who are uncomfortable with the idea of what is basically a persecuted minority stopping asking for handouts and instead banding together for a show of strength.

That was the whole thing about the amnesty in HoXPoX though -- the reason these mutants did things was often due to unfair human laws & persecution. Mutants have never been given a fair shot so we can't hold them accountable.[/QUOTE]

I don't think either of these things are true, especially the first. X-Men fans constantly insinuating that criticism of the X-Men franchise = they must be real life bigots to non-fictional minority groups has always been nuts.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5502922]Personally...I've always wanted the mutants to stand up for themselves and be proactive.
Even as far back as the Claremont days, they always seemed to be reacting to outside threats. And while now they still are reacting to an extent (and why I got quickly bored with and dropped X-Force), there is a sense of what the younglings call "agency" in their stance and an attitude that says we are no longer willing to sit idly by and have to world tell us where we must live or who to be.[/QUOTE]

Without some support from the hero community and/or humans a proactive stance would have been used by enemies of mutantkind to stoke fear and hatred. The initial approach was the right one, the problem is that the X-franchise can't move to the next logical step because it would radically change the X-Men. That next step, as I've said again and again, is actual integration - mutants becoming largely accepted/tolerated/understood and a cooperative effort between mutants and humans to take care of mutants with powers that are a danger to themselves or others, and villainous mutants as well.

How many humans are actually militantly anti-mutant? How many would actually want to work with the X-Men to make a better world for everyone? Surely there are hundreds of thousands of humans who are either related to a mutant or have a close relationship with one, and a large percentage of them must want a safe world for that person or person(s). The idea that all of humanity must be deeply against mutants and not that many are just being led by The Powers That Be doesn't work for me.

[QUOTE=gonnagiveittoya;5502931]I don't think either of these things are true, especially the first. X-Men fans constantly insinuating that criticism of the X-Men franchise = they must be real life bigots to non-fictional minority groups has always been nuts.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, there's no way for me to square this, I'm always a little surprised when I see a conversation headed in this direction.

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5502893]Why the qualifiers? Utopia was a nation sanctuary in a more dire situation than the current one, yet it is denigrated where this one is applauded.

Genosha didn't have a government populated and run by X-Men, did it? If Genoshan survivors setup Krakoa, I could buy this.[/QUOTE]

Utopia wasn't a nation. It was just a refuge for the last remaining mutants, but it was still a part of the USA. It wasn't any different from the Xavier Institute apart from being on small island.

Genosha, as far as I remember, was a rogue state, and it only had few powerful mutants to protect it like Magneto and Polaris.

Krakoa is an independent nation, recognized by most countries and protected by pretty much every powerful mutant on the planet. The X-Men now are not simply heroes, they are protectors of a nation and some of them are even part of its governing body, so it is only natural that they don't act the same way as in the past, because circumstances are different now. For example, when in recent issue of CotA Storm talked with the Avengers, she wasn't just a super-hero talking with other super-heroes with some of whom she was on the same team in the past, she was a representative of another, independent nation and as such she have no right to put her personal feelings before the interests of nation.

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5504530]That next step, as I've said again and again, is actual integration - mutants becoming largely accepted/tolerated/understood and a cooperative effort between mutants and humans to take care of mutants with powers that are a danger to themselves or others, and villainous mutants as well.[/QUOTE]

When you consider the difficulties groups of humans are facing to find peace and common ground, it makes more unlikely that mutants and simple humans could be integrated. On the paper, it sounds wonderful, but on the detail, it arises a lot of issues… telepaths, people who goes through walls… legally, it would be a nightmare and you are not sure you have covered everything, because a new power could appear… and people who have capacities want to use them and not be restrained. Not be denied a part of themselves.

The X-men worked because we knew they will behave. We trusted them. Laws are useless for people who are respectful. We weren’t afraid of them and we couldn’t understand why people would feel frightened by them.

I think it’s a mistake to consider the X-men are a blueprint for the mutants.

Krakoa is a good idea for the humans. It doesn’t mean all the mutants should be send there but it’s certainly a good place for mutants who don’t want to live among the humans and those the humans don’t know what to do with. So I don’t know why the humans would be against Krakoa… as long as Krakoa keeps a low profile. But Xavier didn’t do that…

[QUOTE=Harasar;5504607]Utopia wasn't a nation. It was just a refuge for the last remaining mutants, but it was still a part of the USA. It wasn't any different from the Xavier Institute apart from being on small island.

Genosha, as far as I remember, was a rogue state, and it only had few powerful mutants to protect it like Magneto and Polaris.

Krakoa is an independent nation, recognized by most countries and protected by pretty much every powerful mutant on the planet. The X-Men now are not simply heroes, they are protectors of a nation and some of them are even part of its governing body, so it is only natural that they don't act the same way as in the past, because circumstances are different now. For example, when in recent issue of CotA Storm talked with the Avengers, she wasn't just a super-hero talking with other super-heroes with some of whom she was on the same team in the past, she was a representative of another, independent nation and as such she have no right to put her personal feelings before the interests of nation.[/QUOTE]

It was narratively and functionally a nation. Status is all that could be gained from recognition by the rest of the world. Utopia was more a nation than Jean's short-lived theoretical nation.

There are large differences, but I don't think those are the important ones. With Utopia, the X-Men didn't stop protecting the world at large, not even after Schism, they worked with the hero community, they fought for coexistence. All of that despite the more desperate situation they found themselves in.

I think my issue is that we went from A to C, and some might be okay with that but I want to see B. Circumstances being different is fine, but the characters are being antagonistic in virtually every interaction.

[QUOTE=Zelena;5504637]When you consider the difficulties groups of humans are facing to find peace and common ground, it makes more unlikely that mutants and simple humans could be integrated. On the paper, it sounds wonderful, but on the detail, it arises a lot of issues… telepaths, people who goes through walls… legally, it would be a nightmare and you are not sure you have covered everything, because a new power could appear… and people who have capacities want to use them and not be restrained. Not be denied a part of themselves.

The X-men worked because we knew they will behave. We trusted them. Laws are useless for people who are respectful. We weren’t afraid of them and we couldn’t understand why people would feel frightened by them.

I think it’s a mistake to consider the X-men are a blueprint for the mutants.

Krakoa is a good idea for the humans. It doesn’t mean all the mutants should be send there but it’s certainly a good place for mutants who don’t want to live among the humans and those the humans don’t know what to do with. So I don’t know why the humans would be against Krakoa… as long as Krakoa keeps a low profile. But Xavier didn’t do that…[/QUOTE]

These things don't have to be mutually exclusive, Krakoa for the mutants who want to thrive in their mutantdom to its fullest extent; integration for those who only like generate water from their fingertips or something and want to stay in their home countries. I don't think the task of regulation for mutants is insurmountable, there seem to be general categories to mutations and having mutants working on those regulations would keep them honest.

Xavier went too aggressive for sure.

Nobody is forcing mutants to live on Krakoa. It’s been a plot point in several books. We are getting an X-Men title that deals with the team protecting the planet, which they already did in XoS. Also being a recognized nation is a huge plot point to Hickman’s story, it’s not fair to handwave it and say it’s not. There are multiple books dealing with other countries not recognizing Krakoa’s sovereignty.

Asking Krakoa to keep a low profile is like asking Wakanda to keep a low profile. Why would anyone ask that of their country? What's the point of asking that?

I think krakoa's biggest issue besides the obvious evil people who are obviously evil and still evil, and Xavier/Magneto hubris

Is that for all the data pages and glitz and glam... Krakoa is still really ill defined as a country. We've several important organizations and outside of S.W.O.R.D. we only kinda know how they work. Hellfire's better than the rest since it at least has the structure down (even if it's way too vague about it. Then you got the council, the captains, Light house and ESPECIALLY x-force.

It's very haphazard.

I would argue that it isn't really haphazard...it's just that not everything has been 100% "fleshed out" in the respective books...yet.
As nations go...Krakoa is still very much in its infancy and with respects to its Governance, nothing is officially and permanently set in stone.

I'm really pleased with the release of Way Of X this week, it's started to look towards what I think really needs to be addressed. The whole governance system and the political set up on the island has needed to be explored for quite some time now. I realise this book was supposed to be released earlier, hopefully it points the way to more exploration of this.

I also think that the new X-Men team, being independent of the council, could help in this respect too. We're seeing some stuff, The Shadow King for instance, representing possible opposition to the council, there's the whole Mystique thing to sort out, otherwise she could bring the whole thing down.

I really would like to see more exploration of the political side of Krakoa, but I realise that it would be really difficult to make a book dedicated more to that side of the island life sell.

The thing is, the whole world would be more believable if there was a whole system you could kind of depend on. Of course it might well be the council are putting together an entire system that we've been told nothing about, and laws have been introduced that we don't know about yet. I'd like to see more exploration of the council actually, they've been together quite some time and don't really seem to be doing a great deal about introducing a workable system to run a country.

[QUOTE=Krakoa;5502858]
Honestly think that a lot of the backlash to this era comes from people who are uncomfortable with the idea of what is basically a persecuted minority stopping asking for handouts and instead banding together for a show of strength.[/QUOTE]
Bruh this sh!t the hardest truth lol


[QUOTE=Krakoa;5502858]That was the whole thing about the amnesty in HoXPoX though -- [B]the reason these mutants did things was often due to unfair human laws & persecution. Mutants have never been given a fair shot so we can't hold them accountable.[/B][/QUOTE]Zaaaamn this one hits hard as well. I see people on this board leaping at the chance to excuse the Pretenders Genocide wave. And in the same post demonizing mutants like Mystique/Magneto hell even Apocalypse who suffered greatly at the hands of humans decided enough was enough and fought back

[QUOTE=gonnagiveittoya;5502931]I don't think either of these things are true, especially the first. X-Men fans constantly insinuating that criticism of the X-Men franchise = they must be real life bigots to non-fictional minority groups has always been nuts.
[/QUOTE]Ehhh if it walks like a duck, Quacks like a duck

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5504675]It was narratively and functionally a nation. Status is all that could be gained from recognition by the rest of the world. Utopia was more a nation than Jean's short-lived theoretical nation.

There are large differences, but I don't think those are the important ones. With Utopia, the X-Men didn't stop protecting the world at large, not even after Schism, they worked with the hero community, they fought for coexistence. All of that despite the more desperate situation they found themselves in.

I think my issue is that we went from A to C, and some might be okay with that but I want to see B. Circumstances being different is fine, but the characters are being antagonistic in virtually every interaction.[/QUOTE]

Utopia wasn't treated like a nation by other people, it had no status or recognition. I think comparing Utopia, Genosha and Krakoa, is like comparing real world micronation, some small country like Estonia, and a big influential country like China. Their status, influence and treatment is completely different.

And any antagonistic behavior I can remember was based on the fact that they are a strong nation now, other people and heroes can't just ignore them or treat them like in past, because now every mutant have a strong country backing them up. But many super-heroes are portrayed with a lack of respect for this new situation and so they get the bad reaction from X-Men. Like that scene when Dr. Strange teleported to Krakoa to talk with Magik and Cable told him that he has no right to be there. To me, it wasn't because Strange is a human, it was because he trespassed other nation's territory and then handwaved it with "I have more important things to do than play by your rules" behavior. So it is only natural that he wasn't welcomed.

Although I would also like to see some prequel mini-series, or even one-shot, showing more about how exactly Krakoa was established and how various members of the X-Men reacted to it and decided to join it.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5504785]Asking Krakoa to keep a low profile is like asking Wakanda to keep a low profile. Why would anyone ask that of their country? What's the point of asking that?[/QUOTE]

They're almost 3 years in publishing wise. They should really be further along than that. Especially when SWORD managed to do it in 1 issue.

[QUOTE=gonnagiveittoya;5502931]I don't think either of these things are true, especially the first. X-Men fans constantly insinuating that criticism of the X-Men franchise = they must be real life bigots to non-fictional minority groups has always been nuts.[/QUOTE]

It honestly makes discourse about the X-Men nearly impossible. Having assumptions before engaging in any conversation greatly demeans any chance of being open to opposing opinions or perspectives. For being books that tackle complex concepts, the discussions about them tend to go in one direction a majority of the time and that's a bit unfortunate.

[QUOTE=TheDeadSpace;5505665]It honestly makes discourse about the X-Men nearly impossible. Having assumptions before engaging in any conversation greatly demeans any chance of being open to opposing opinions or perspectives. For being books that tackle complex concepts, the discussions about them tend to go in one direction a majority of the time and that's a bit unfortunate.[/QUOTE]
Ehhh conversations that lead with or are in the vein of:
'Humans not allowed on KraKoa is racist"
"Mutants wanting their own space from Humans KILLS Xavier's Dream"
"There's no Mutant culture"
"Mutants should meekly continue to exist"
"Decimation only deoowered a few mutants"
"..."
"..."
IMO aren't opposing opinions... they're sloppy attempts to spread false info and force X-Men into a narrative that fits in that posters ulterior ideas

[QUOTE=BroHomo;5505713]Ehhh conversations that lead with or are in the vein of:
'Humans not allowed on KraKoa is racist"
"Mutants wanting their own space from Humans KILLS Xavier's Dream"
"There's no Mutant culture"
"Mutants should meekly continue to exist"
"Decimation only deoowered a few mutants"
"..."
"..."
IMO aren't opposing opinions... they're sloppy attempts to spread false info and force X-Men into a narrative that fits in that posters ulterior ideas[/QUOTE]

I don't think I specified a side/group with my original comment, but yes, a lot of these discussions do tend to go a certain direction more often than not. It's usually an extreme in either direction.

[QUOTE=Harasar;5505524]Utopia wasn't treated like a nation by other people, it had no status or recognition. I think comparing Utopia, Genosha and Krakoa, is like comparing real world micronation, some small country like Estonia, and a big influential country like China. Their status, influence and treatment is completely different.

And any antagonistic behavior I can remember was based on the fact that they are a strong nation now, other people and heroes can't just ignore them or treat them like in past, because now every mutant have a strong country backing them up. But many super-heroes are portrayed with a lack of respect for this new situation and so they get the bad reaction from X-Men. Like that scene when Dr. Strange teleported to Krakoa to talk with Magik and Cable told him that he has no right to be there. To me, it wasn't because Strange is a human, it was because he trespassed other nation's territory and then handwaved it with "I have more important things to do than play by your rules" behavior. So it is only natural that he wasn't welcomed.

Although I would also like to see some prequel mini-series, or even one-shot, showing more about how exactly Krakoa was established and how various members of the X-Men reacted to it and decided to join it.[/QUOTE]

We're just gonna end up arguing in circles about what constitutes a nation in this context, but I think what's most important is that they all functioned as a sanctuary and fortress for mutants against the rest of the world - except only Utopia was in a situation that [I]demanded[/I] its existence.

X-Men were acting cold or antagonistic to former friends or teammates or associates. Lack of respect? Respect is reciprocal and, beyond a basic level of respect, you can't demand it. You can say for you it wasn't because they're human, but don't they have a straight up law against humans on Krakoa?

I wouldn't hold my breath for that mini-series; Marvel doesn't seem to care about telling that story, forget continuity, and plenty of readers don't seem to care either.

[QUOTE=BroHomo;5505713]Ehhh conversations that lead with or are in the vein of:
'Humans not allowed on KraKoa is racist"
"Mutants wanting their own space from Humans KILLS Xavier's Dream"
"There's no Mutant culture"
"Mutants should meekly continue to exist"
"Decimation only deoowered a few mutants"
"..."
"..."
IMO aren't opposing opinions... they're sloppy attempts to spread false info and force X-Men into a narrative that fits in that posters ulterior ideas[/QUOTE]

I don't think I've seen any serious person trying to push any of these talking points. If we just didn't assume the worst of others maybe we could actually discuss our differences of opinion and who knows, maybe even raise interesting questions to each other?

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5505765]You can say for you it wasn't because they're human, but don't they [B]have a straight up law against humans on Krakoa?[/B]
[/QUOTE]
Er No but there is a law to not to kill them... I wonder if the 616 has laws making it a hate crime to do harm to Mutants??
[QUOTE=Hizashi;5505767]I don't think I've seen any serious person trying to push any of these talking points. If we just didn't assume the worst of others maybe we could actually discuss our differences of opinion and who knows, maybe even raise interesting questions to each other?[/QUOTE]Yeah that'd be nice and I try to see things from a posters differing opinion/interpretation. Unless They're trying push their own biased headcanon As fact I'm chill lol

[QUOTE=Harasar;5505524]To me, it wasn't because Strange is a human, it was because he trespassed other nation's territory and then handwaved it with "I have more important things to do than play by your rules" behavior. So it is only natural that he wasn't welcomed. [/QUOTE]

It’s not like the X-men didn’t do that all the time: trespassing…

[QUOTE=BroHomo;5505713]'Humans not allowed on KraKoa is racist" [/QUOTE]

Krakoa’s rules treat differently humans and mutants: it’s racist by definition. I don’t know why you consider it open to interpretation.

[QUOTE=Zelena;5505902]It’s not like the X-men didn’t do that all the time: trespassing…[/QUOTE]

Yes, they do, and they are also not welcome there. When Marauders trespassed Brazil and later Russia, or when New Mutants trespassed Karnelia - they weren't welcome there, they were surrounded and attacked by soldiers. The X-Men do the same - protect their nation from unwelcome intruders.

[QUOTE=Zelena;5505904]Krakoa’s rules treat differently humans and mutants: it’s racist by definition. I don’t know why you consider it open to interpretation.[/QUOTE]

How do they treat humans differently? They don’t kill them?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the island of Krakoa itself not want any humans to step foot on it? The fact that the land on which they walk has needs and wants is a big difference from other nations. It's not like Europe itself cares who lives there.

[QUOTE=Zelena;5505904]Krakoa’s rules treat differently humans and mutants: it’s racist by definition. I don’t know why you consider it open to interpretation.[/QUOTE]

Every human allowed on Krakoa is treated normal, How are they racist?

[QUOTE=Harasar;5505915]Yes, they do, and they are also not welcome there. When Marauders trespassed Brazil and later Russia, or when New Mutants trespassed Karnelia - they weren't welcome there, they were surrounded and attacked by soldiers. The X-Men do the same - protect their nation from unwelcome intruders.[/QUOTE]

lol they were keeping their citizens safe innocent men women and children who were being killed.

[QUOTE=sunofdarkchild;5505943]Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the island of Krakoa itself not want any humans to step foot on it? The fact that the land on which they walk has needs and wants is a big difference from other nations. It's not like Europe itself cares who lives there.[/QUOTE]

It’s not Krakoa the entity, it’s more of a place mutants know they’re safe. 2 humans already live on Krakoa and many others have been there. I think sometimes the stuff Magneto and Apocalypse say is taken to be how all Krakoan’s feel. At the end of the day the country is giving away, for free*, life saving drugs.

*to receive these drugs you have to recognize Krakoa as a sovereign nation. You can still be an asshole to them, but all you have to do is say sure, you’ve got a country now.

[QUOTE=Zelena;5505904]Krakoa’s rules treat differently humans and mutants: it’s racist by definition. I don’t know why you consider it open to interpretation.[/QUOTE]

Its trespassing and not prejudice.

[QUOTE=Vishop;5505999]Its trespassing and not prejudice.[/QUOTE]

I didn’t say it was. The X-men has no room for talking about trespassing: they had this habit to feel above laws… and it is the case for any Marvel’s hero…

It usually doesn’t bother anybody.