Not if the overall themes and plots are seeded there but developed and explored in the other books.
Duggan will be writing X-Men featuring the official team...will that be the new "Flag ship" (going by previous standards) or will that be the one HiX-Man is slated to write later on...seeing as how he is directing this entire era?
Flag-ship, as it relates to this era, is malleable. And every book in the line, as it relates to this era, could be considered "essential reading."
[QUOTE=Brian B;5524544]I’m not bullying you. I’m describing to you what’s in the comics and discussed by the Head of X in interviews.
Okay, here’s the Summer House layout from X-Men #1. Note that there are doors to the main area, but Jean’s, Scott’s and Logan’s rooms have no doors between them:
[IMG]https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/hick-men-4.jpg[/IMG]
The three of them are literally living together. Believe your eyes.
I’ll skip images of Scott and Logan discussing the Speedo, because you seem to have seen that, as well as the three of them hanging on each other in X-Men #1, because I assume you’ve seen that too. And you obviously know Jean and Scott are together.
Well, here’s Jean and Wolverine together.
Here is from X-Force #10:
[IMG]https://media-comicbook-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/media.comicbook.com/2020/07/x-force-10-jean-grey-wolverine-2-1228811.jpeg[/IMG]
Here is from X-Force #18:
[IMG]https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/jean.jpg[/IMG]
I assume from their living arrangements (see the map of the Summers House) that Jean and Wolverine are not a secret, that Jean is not cheating.
Admittedly, my interpretation is that this means Scott and Logan are gay, and Jean is kind of on the side. It could be it’s more of a polyandry situation. Either way, it is definitely a threesome situation and it definitely falls under the preferred “queer” label that the LGBTQ+ community prefers. This is Marvel canon. It is in the comicbooks. I’m not making it up.
Also, here’s the link to the Hickman interview:
[URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/off-panel-44-maximum-hickman-with-jonathan-hickman/id1006337409?i=1000366717368"]https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/off-panel-44-maximum-hickman-with-jonathan-hickman/id1006337409?i=1000366717368[/URL]
You can choose to ignore what the comicbook stories are telling us, but this is what they are doing in the comics and what the Head of X is discussing in public.
I understand you have issues with this. Personally, I’ve got a lot of issues with Hickman’s X books, but this doesn’t trouble me after I relaxed about it.[/QUOTE]
Nothing of this proofs you point and u know it. The time we saw Scott/Jean room it didn't had any of the doors on theat diagram. It is called bait
Jean kissing Logan doesn't proof that Logan and Scott are dating and u know it.
Hickman never said tat they are a polyamor or that Logan/Scott are a sexual relationship.
You wont bully me into this.
I really miss when people discussed what was on books instead of headcanons
[QUOTE=Hizashi;5524617]The flagship absolutely should be the one book considered "essential reading", especially when you consider it's being written by the guy behind this entire era. Is every book essential?[/QUOTE]
The objective of a flagship book is be essential reading. No wonder Hickman books sales are just about the same as Rosenberg or Fraction. it jut doesn't feel essential reading and other books are better to read like sword or Hellions
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5524640]Not if the overall themes and plots are seeded there but developed and explored in the other books.
Duggan will be writing X-Men featuring the official team...will that be the new "Flag ship" (going by previous standards) or will that be the one HiX-Man is slated to write later on...seeing as how he is directing this entire era?
Flag-ship, as it relates to this era, is malleable. And every book in the line, as it relates to this era, could be considered "essential reading."[/QUOTE]
Unless someone can show me otherwise, there was no indication that X-Men wasn't the flagship. In fact, the simplest way to figure out what book in a given franchise is the flagship, is to just look at the title. So, X-Men under Duggan will remain the flagship, and whatever Hickman writes may or may not also count as one. Two is a good number, I think that's about as many as you can have.
For something to be essential, it's removal must be detrimental to the whole. I don't think every book could possibly count.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5524642]Nothing of this proofs you point and u know it. The time we saw Scott/Jean room it didn't had any of the doors on theat diagram. It is called bait
Jean kissing Logan doesn't proof that Logan and Scott are dating and u know it.
Hickman never said tat they are a polyamor or that Logan/Scott are a sexual relationship.
You wont bully me into this.
I really miss when people discussed what was on books instead of headcanons[/QUOTE]
It's okay, just because it's on the page doesn't make it a good idea or mean that it's written well.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5524642]The objective of a flagship book is be essential reading. No wonder Hickman books sales are just about the same as Rosenberg or Fraction. it jut doesn't feel essential reading and other books are better to read like sword or Hellions[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If the average reader will only pick up one book, it's gonna be the flagship generally.
[QUOTE=Hizashi;5524663]It's okay, just because it's on the page doesn't make it a good idea or mean that it's written well.[/quote]
Well it is garbage writing as they never go explicit. But I draw my line on the queerbait. Queerbait isn't canon and is very coward for them.
also if they never go explicit the reader can decide on what they want
[quote]
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If the average reader will only pick up one book, it's gonna be the flagship generally.[/QUOTE]
Like Batman books, you gonna pick up Batman that is where events happen and change the satellite books.
Sometimes people can't buy many books, so the flagship functions as the anchor to the group of books
[QUOTE=Hizashi;5524623]I can see that it exists, but this is still not a good development.[/QUOTE]
I understand some fans may not like it. I can’t say I love it, but once I thought about it, it’s kind of an elegant solution to the love triangle that’s been foisted upon us — they’re a throuple.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5524642]Nothing of this proofs you point and u know it. The time we saw Scott/Jean room it didn't had any of the doors on theat diagram. It is called bait[/QUOTE]
I just showed the diagram. What it shows is Logan has a room. Jean has a room. Scott has a room. There are doors on each of their rooms to the outside, common areas. Between them, it is a suite of 3 rooms, with no doors between them and Jean’s room is in the middle. Scott and Jean don’t have a room together. But they do go to bed together, as has been stated in the comics. They have separate rooms with no doors. Look at the diagram. The 3 of them are living together.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5524642]Jean kissing Logan doesn't proof that Logan and Scott are dating and u know it.[/QUOTE]
Okay. So be it. The comic shows you Jean and Logan are having sex in a Krakoan hot tub together. It sure does not seem like Jean is cheating on Scott. They are all living together. Wolverine and Logan might not be sleeping together. That is my interpretation, as I said. But, they are a throuple. That’s what a throuple is, three people living in an amorous relationship. It is a “queer” relationship, which is the preferred LGBTQ+ community’s label for such things, even if Scott and Logan aren’t having sex.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5524642]Hickman never said tat they are a polyamor or that Logan/Scott are a sexual relationship. [/QUOTE]
First, Hickman did say that. He didn’t use that exact term, but yes, he admits Jean, Cyclops and Wolverine are living together in a polyamorous, sexual relationship. He talks about how he wanted to show it to let the readers know what’s going on, without depicting it too explicitly. Listen to the interview and podcast. I’m not making things up.
Second, Jean, Scott and Logan are depicted as living together. Jean is shown to be sexually active with both of them. That IS one type of polyamory, called polyandry. It IS queer, per the preferred label of the LGBTQ+ community. Even though Scott and Logan may not be crossing swords, so to speak, the 3 of them are in a sexual relationship together.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5524642] You wont bully me into this.
I really miss when people discussed what was on books instead of headcanons[/QUOTE]
Again, I am NOT bullying you. I have not called you names. Unlike your comments to me, I have not accused you of making things up
I am describing what is happening in the comicbooks and what the creator has said in interviews.
That is not in my head. I did not imagine this. I showed you it. I provided images. Scott+Jean+Logan — the throuple is Marvel canon.
If you choose to ignore that part of the stories or pretend it is not part of the stories, that is fine. But don’t tell me I’m making things up or that I’m bullying you. Because that’s hooey. Converse with respect to the X books’ fiction we are all reading and can see.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5524683]But I draw my line on the queerbait. Queerbait isn't canon and is very coward for them. Also if they never go explicit the reader can decide on what they want
[/QUOTE]
I... actually kinda agree. Like it's pretty thinly veiled that they're a throuple, but the next writer could soooo easily ignore it. It's ambiguous by design which doesn't do justice to queer fans who simply want representation.
Edit: More than anything I'm just glad we're past tired love triangles and can focus on bigger and better stories!
[QUOTE=Hizashi;5524656]For something to be essential, it's removal must be detrimental to the whole. I don't think every book could possibly count.[/QUOTE]
When they're telling specific and integral parts of the whole story, yes they count.
Now, you can pick and choose which to follow according to where your interests lie (I'm only reading six titles, out of twelve) that's your prerogative, that does not mean those books we're not reading are of any less importance to the story being told. Some aren't reading HiX-Man's X-Men...therefore for them, it's either not essential or important enough "flag-ship".
I dont choose to ignore. If writers aren't corageous enought to make it obviously canon, I'm not ignoring anything.
That is how comics open to interpretation works, people can choose.
Yes, jean/Scott and Logan are living on the same house. We saw her kissing Logan twice and that is it. They didn't committted to show anything else.
we actually sw the room and it doesn't connect to any other room. the layouts are all fake.
Logan and Scott are shown just as friends, no kiss and no sex.
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5524738]I... actually kinda agree. Like it's pretty thinly veiled that they're a throuple, but the next writer could soooo easily ignore it. It's ambiguous by design which doesn't do justice to queer fans who simply want representation.
Edit: More than anything I'm just glad we're past tired love triangles and can focus on bigger and better stories![/QUOTE]
Really wish to read these bigger and better stories LOL you promised it Hickman!!!!!
there is some good stories, but they are about the same as before, so whatevs
also love triangles haen't beena thin for ages, like a very non existent problem hahaha
Same writer is even inconsistent with it and other writer ignore it. Almost feels like free style story or choose your own
[QUOTE=Brian B;5524727]I understand some fans may not like it. I can’t say I love it, but once I thought about it, it’s kind of an elegant solution to the love triangle that’s been foisted upon us — they’re a throuple.[/QUOTE]
Allow me to respond to this part: I disagree completely that the throuple is an elegant solution. Simply having Jean and Logan paired off and showing us a happy, single Scott would have sufficed.
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5524738]I... actually kinda agree. Like it's pretty thinly veiled that they're a throuple, but the next writer could soooo easily ignore it. It's ambiguous by design which doesn't do justice to queer fans who simply want representation.
Edit: More than anything I'm just glad we're past tired love triangles and can focus on bigger and better stories![/QUOTE]
I respect this, but insist that this is not how to move past love triangles generally.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5524744]I dont choose to ignore. If writers aren't corageous enought to make it obviously canon, I'm not ignoring anything. That is how comics open to interpretation works, people can choose.
Yes, jean/Scott and Logan are living on the same house [/QUOTE]
Okay, you are just denying it then. That’s on you, not the books. They have given you a diagram, literally a picture. They have shown Jean sexually active with two different men, that she lives with in a suite of three bedrooms with no doors.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5524744] We saw her kissing Logan twice and that is it. They didn't committted to show anything else.[/QUOTE]
Anytime I have been naked in a hot tub, alone with a naked woman, it does not end with a kiss. Do not try to put this off on the books aren’t showing it. They showed you. It’s not porn. It’s superheroic, science-fictional, Marvel comics. Jean and Wolverine are having sex. They showed it.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5524744] we actually sw the room and it doesn't connect to any other room. the layouts are all fake.
Logan and Scott are shown just as friends, no kiss and no sex.[/QUOTE]
You saw portions of a room, not a tour. And the layout is shown fully in the diagram. And again, Scott and Logan and Jean are in a relationship together, with at least the men individually having sex with Jean. By definition, that is a queer — the LGBTQ+ preferred label — relationship the 3 of them are in together. You’re just denying what’s there. That’s how you want to view it, but it’s not the threesome they are depicting quite clearly.
Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt, as they say.
Here’s a better question for you — the topic of the thread: What do you think of Hickman’s X-Men so far?
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5524740]When they're telling specific and integral parts of the whole story, yes they count.
Now, you can pick and choose which to follow according to where your interests lie (I'm only reading six titles, out of twelve) that's your prerogative, that does not mean those books we're not reading are of any less importance to the story being told. Some aren't reading HiX-Man's X-Men...therefore for them, it's either not essential or important enough "flag-ship".[/QUOTE]
Specific? Yes. Integral? I'm not so sure. I'll have to find the tagline/plot outlines for each book, I doubt that they could all count as integral.
Books aren't important only if they have a large audience, I'm sorry if that seemed to be what my arguments were implying.
There are always exceptions to the rule; certainly some might not want to pick up a FS, but that seems to be more likely caused by the narrative expectations of a FS, in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Hizashi;5524769]Allow me to respond to this part: I disagree completely that the throuple is an elegant solution. Simply having Jean and Logan paired off and showing us a happy, single Scott would have sufficed.[/QUOTE]
or everyone dating new people. Readers have to stop pretend this was the only "solution to a non existent problem
[QUOTE=Brian B;5524774]Okay, you are just denying it then. That’s on you, not the books. They have given you a diagram, literally a picture. They have shown Jean sexually active with two different men, that she lives with in a suite of three bedrooms with no doors.
Anytime I have been naked in a hot tub, alone with a naked woman, it does not end with a kiss. Do not try to put this off on the books aren’t showing it. They showed you. It’s not porn. It’s superheroic, science-fictional, Marvel comics. Jean and Wolverine are having sex. They showed it.
You saw portions of a room, not a tour. And the layout is shown fully in the diagram. And again, Scott and Logan and Jean are in a relationship together, with at least the men individually having sex with Jean. By definition, that is a queer — the LGBTQ+ preferred label — relationship the 3 of them are in together. You’re just denying what’s there. That’s how you want to view it, but it’s not the threesome they are depicting quite clearly.
Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt, as they say.
Here’s a better question for you — the topic of the thread: What do you think of Hickman’s X-Men so far?[/QUOTE]
They have givn you a diagrm? this almost comedic. We already saw the house and there isn't interconnecting rooms.
We only saw two kisses, I'm just denying that books are telling and showing a story.
Jean nor Logan weren't naked. We saw her on a bikini
For a story being told they need to show or/and tell. here none of these happen; it is very open to interpretation and you have to accept it.
For me Hickman's run has been dissapointing and directionless.
[QUOTE=Brian B;5524727] It IS queer, per the preferred label of the LGBTQ+ community. [/QUOTE]
Please, PLEASE stop repeating this. I am gay and I hate that word. Nobody I know likes that word. It may be preferred with the people you know, but not THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
[QUOTE=kevinism;5525018]Please, PLEASE stop repeating this. I am gay and I hate that word. Nobody I know likes that word. It may be preferred with the people you know, but not THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.[/QUOTE]
When did the word queer which means strange became another word for homosexual?
and another thing ........When did the word gay which means joyous became another word for homosexual?
[QUOTE=kevinism;5525018]Please, PLEASE stop repeating this. I am gay and I hate that word. Nobody I know likes that word. It may be preferred with the people you know, but not THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.[/QUOTE]
What would your preferred term be for a throuple? Let me know, please. I am seriously NOT trying to offend the LGBTQ+ community. I will use whatever term you want me ro use.
I don't want to pick sides but unless something happens on page or a creator says something like they did with Speed, Scott and Logan being bi is still in the speculation category.
We already went through this with Logan after that Nightcrawler cover.
If either, or both of, Cyclops and Wolverine are gay or bisexual does it matter? I mean are people actually offended by the perceived sexuality of fictional characters? If you are then the problem is yours, not the writer, not other fans, not the characters. It surely isn't a massive stretch to believe that a character doesn't fully acknowledge their complete sexuality until a little later in life. I'm pretty sure most of us (at least those my age) know someone that's happened to.
Does it make a difference to whether they can fight? Or save the world? Or interact with their teams? Does it mean there are fewer story options going forward?
I don't think so, I'm reading the books, it might not have been something I'd have suggested, but all it's done is make me raise an eyebrow. It hasn't ruined my enjoyment of the books.
Maybe just relax about it and enjoy the stories.
[QUOTE=Starrius;5525080]When did the word queer which means strange became another word for homosexual?
and another thing ........When did the word gay which means joyous became another word for homosexual?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/02/how-gay-came-to-mean-homosexual/[/url]
I have not read a lot about fans objecting to any character’s sexuality…it’s mostly the overall characterization. Wolverine was long established as an alpha male loner…I can’t imagine him sharing his partner…that infers equality. Scott has always been portrayed as arrow straight and rigid ( that’s straight as in bound by codes, and inflexible, not in its sexual orientation meaning) . Being sexually adventurous seems so out of character for him…unless it’s all part of the re birth process messing with people…
[QUOTE=Big Joe;5525341]If either, or both of, Cyclops and Wolverine are gay or bisexual does it matter? I mean are people actually offended by the perceived sexuality of fictional characters? If you are then the problem is yours, not the writer, not other fans, not the characters. It surely isn't a massive stretch to believe that a character doesn't fully acknowledge their complete sexuality until a little later in life. I'm pretty sure most of us (at least those my age) know someone that's happened to.
Does it make a difference to whether they can fight? Or save the world? Or interact with their teams? Does it mean there are fewer story options going forward?
I don't think so, I'm reading the books, it might not have been something I'd have suggested, but all it's done is make me raise an eyebrow. It hasn't ruined my enjoyment of the books.
Maybe just relax about it and enjoy the stories.[/QUOTE]
I mean if the source of the "offense" is the story, then the writer has some blame. ;)
Also I don't think anyone's offended, it's just a speculation debate.
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;5525335]I don't want to pick sides but unless something happens on page or a creator says something like they did with Speed, Scott and Logan being bi is still in the speculation category.
We already went through this with Logan after that Nightcrawler cover.[/QUOTE]
More of the old same again.
People just love to bully their way into canon, but that is not how canon works
[QUOTE=Rang10;5525533]More of the old same again.
People just love to bully their way into canon, but that is not how canon works[/QUOTE]
I agree that bi Scott and Logan isn't canon, because future writers can just say that they're living together because of Jean.
Still didn't you just call out the writers for queerbaiting? I can't really get mad at fans who latch onto the hints that the writers purposefully dangle in front of them, let alone call them bullies.
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5525636]I agree that bi Scott and Logan isn't canon, because future writers can just say that they're living together because of Jean.
Still didn't you just call out the writers for queerbaiting? I can't really get mad at fans who latch onto the hints that the writers purposefully dangle in front of them, let alone call them bullies.[/QUOTE]
They havee been living on mansion for years. It i snot the big deal that people want to make
Hints? they just interpret on the way that they want without any proof. It is pure queerbaiting and I wont be played by it
[QUOTE=Rang10;5525533]More of the old same again.
People just love to bully their way into canon, but that is not how canon works[/QUOTE]
Except we know that Scott+Jean+Logan is happening. That IS a thing depicted in the comics.
We may not know that Scott and Logan are a thing or rather the primary thing. That is speculation. We only know Scott and Logan are happening within the context of the Scott+Jean+Logan throuple.
And it is NOT bullying to discuss what the comics are showing.
If you want to blame someone, then blame Hickman, not fellow readers like me or others.
[QUOTE=Brian B;5525644]Except we know that Scott+Jean+Logan is happening. That IS a thing depicted in the comics.
We may not know that Scott and Logan are a thing or rather the primary thing. That is speculation. We only know Scott and Logan are happening within the context of the Scott+Jean+Logan throuple.
And it is NOT bullying to discuss what the comics are showing.
If you want to blame someone, then blame Hickman, not fellow readers like me or others.[/QUOTE]
we know that jean kissed Logan, and nothing more. Scott knows about it? nobody knows. people can speculate whatever but that doesn't no make canon. Wanting it o make anon and pressing people for it, for me is bullying. you dont have any proof
it is bery stanlished that Scott and Logan arent lovers or LGBT. We saw every thought they have for decades.
I don’t think anyone should be offended by the depiction of Scott+Jean+Logan. I do think people need to relax about these topics, don’t be so uptight about it.
However, I was raised in a very traditional and by today’s standards a religiously conservative environment—religion, NOT politics, which believe it or not used to be a separate thing—and I am still a believer. I can understand why people are not fans of depictions of alternative lifestyles in fiction if it involves more than a couple.
I fully support LGBQT+ people and their rights, including rights to marry, to health care through partner benefits, to have children, to adopt children, to any tax benefits, and much more — to live freely in the pursuit of happiness, like everyone.
I fully support people in polyamorous relationships and their rights as well, though I’m not exactly sure how adoption would work for more than two people.
I do not believe in excluding from society people who have done nothing wrong to society. I believe in the rights of people to live freely.
But more than a couple people isn’t something that I necessarily see as automatically equivalent to a couple. I can understand how an audience maybe upset at the depiction of sexual relationships involving more than two people depicted. It does go on in real life. It’s something that happens. Depicting it in fiction ought to not be off limits. I don’t think people who live in that lifestyle ought to be personally or politically persecuted over it, either. That would be wrong. It is a fine line, though.
Polygamy is often ripe for the abuse of people, especially children. I would imagine polyandry can involve some of the same dynamics. I’m not saying people should in any way be prevented from engaging in or depicting polyamory. But I think we as a country of laws and rights need to be educated and smart about this.
All that said, what Hickman has really done is pick up the ball Chris Claremont set up on the field hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of issues ago, and Hickman’s run with it. That’s all that’s happening between Scott+Jean+Logan.
We need a name for this throuple, like Benifer has a name. (Are Ben and JLo really back? :D )
What about “Scloannie?” “Cyphine?” “Lottie?” :D
At least the Hickman run is not boring.
Honestly feel like what's going on with Kitty Pryde is more queerbaiting than the throuple situation. One-off panel of her kissing a woman seeming to confirm her as bi, no follow up and she's not featured on any of the materials for Marvel's Voices: Pride.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5525655]we know that jean kissed Logan, and nothing more. Scott knows about it? nobody knows. people can speculate whatever but that doesn't no make canon. Wanting it o make anon and pressing people for it, for me is bullying. you dont have any proof
it is bery stanlished that Scott and Logan arent lovers or LGBT. We saw every thought they have for decades.[/QUOTE]
So, you’re calling Jeannie a cheater then? Hogwash.
Dude, the three of them live in a suite of three rooms without any doors, together. Hickman has confirmed in interviews that they ARE, the three of them, living together in a sexual relationship. AND, NO ONE [I]just[/I] makes out naked in a hot tub alone.
People may sit together naked and platonically in a hot tub. But two people, alone and naked in a hot tub, making out do NOT stop with kissing.
Last, your definition of bullying is garbage.
You have made perfectly clear that you do not agree with what is being depicted in the comics. But don’t try to claim the creators are not clearly showing the throuple. They are. This is the X-Men, NOT porn. Have some taste and maturity, and accept they’re not going to show you a more explicit sex scene then the one they have shown between Logan and Jean. That’s your clear depiction right there, in X-Force.
[QUOTE=Krakoa;5525663]Honestly feel like what's going on with Kitty Pryde is more queerbaiting than the throuple situation. One-off panel of her kissing a woman seeming to confirm her as bi, no follow up and she's not featured on any of the materials for Marvel's Voices: Pride.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. The love traingle thing is just people really forcing it and writer taking a laugh with it without showing anything. Kitty had a quick kiss and it was never followed upon.
[QUOTE=Brian B;5525656]I don’t think anyone should be offended by the depiction of Scott+Jean+Logan. I do think people need to relax about these topics, don’t be so uptight about it.
However, I was raised in a very traditional and by today’s standards a religiously conservative environment—religion, NOT politics, which believe it or not used to be a separate thing—and I am still a believer. I can understand why people are not fans of depictions of alternative lifestyles in fiction if it involves more than a couple.
I fully support LGBQT+ people and their rights, including rights to marry, to health care through partner benefits, to have children, to adopt children, to any tax benefits, and much more — to live freely in the pursuit of happiness, like everyone.
I fully support people in polyamorous relationships and their rights as well, though I’m not exactly sure how adoption would work for more than two people.
I do not believe in excluding from society people who have done nothing wrong to society. I believe in the rights of people to live freely.
But more than a couple people isn’t something that I necessarily see as automatically equivalent to a couple. I can understand how an audience maybe upset at the depiction of sexual relationships involving more than two people depicted. It does go on in real life. It’s something that happens. Depicting it in fiction ought to not be off limits. I don’t think people who live in that lifestyle ought to be personally or politically persecuted over it, either. That would be wrong. It is a fine line, though.
Polygamy is often ripe for the abuse of people, especially children. I would imagine polyandry can involve some of the same dynamics. I’m not saying people should in any way be prevented from engaging in or depicting polyamory. But I think we as a country of laws and rights need to be educated and smart about this.
All that said, what Hickman has really done is pick up the ball Chris Claremont set up on the field hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of issues ago, and Hickman’s run with it. That’s all that’s happening between Scott+Jean+Logan.
We need a name for this throuple, like Benifer has a name. (Are Ben and JLo really back? :D )
What about “Scloannie?” “Cyphine?” “Lottie?” :D
At least the Hickman run is not boring.[/QUOTE]
I actually agree with nearly all of your points here, I was also raised in a similar environment and even separating that as much as I can, I still really don't like this development [I]for these characters[/I]. It isn't only the individual character histories which makes this seem like fanfiction (which has its place and is a valid creative endeavor) but also that Claremont's motivation for this entire horrendous situation will always paint this in a negative light for me.
[QUOTE=Krakoa;5525663]Honestly feel like what's going on with Kitty Pryde is more queerbaiting than the throuple situation. One-off panel of her kissing a woman seeming to confirm her as bi, no follow up and she's not featured on any of the materials for Marvel's Voices: Pride.[/QUOTE]
Part of me feels like it's because all of her potential love interests (Rachel, Magik, and Karma) are featured in different books, but I would also like a follow-up. Fingers crossed for something at the Gala.
[QUOTE=kevinism;5525018]Please, PLEASE stop repeating this. I am gay and I hate that word. Nobody I know likes that word. It may be preferred with the people you know, but not THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.[/QUOTE]
Yeeeeah im just gonna day im totally fine with the word Queer being used to designate non traditional heterosexual sexual escapades
[QUOTE=Big Joe;5525341]If either, or both of, Cyclops and Wolverine are gay or bisexual does it matter? I mean are people actually offended by the perceived sexuality of fictional characters? If you are then the problem is yours, not the writer, not other fans, not the characters. It surely isn't a massive stretch to believe that a character doesn't fully acknowledge their complete sexuality until a little later in life. I'm pretty sure most of us (at least those my age) know someone that's happened to.
Does it make a difference to whether they can fight? Or save the world? Or interact with their teams? Does it mean there are fewer story options going forward?
I don't think so, I'm reading the books, it might not have been something I'd have suggested, but all it's done is make me raise an eyebrow. It hasn't ruined my enjoyment of the books.
Maybe just relax about it and enjoy the stories.[/QUOTE]
Yes!
As someone who doesn't advocate polyamorous relations, I have a question.
If two women are in a poly relationship with a man and all three individuals are hetero, does it this setup mean that the two women are in a sexual relationship with each other as well?
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;5525910]As someone who doesn't advocate polyamorous relations, I have a question.
If two women are in a poly relationship with a man and all three individuals are hetero, does it this setup mean that the two women are in a sexual relationship with each other as well?[/QUOTE]
They both are okay with having a presumably one way exclusive sexual and emotional relationship with the same dude....so I guess it'll depend if by sexual (lol) relationship you mean are they having intercourse with each other? No
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;5525910]As someone who doesn't advocate polyamorous relations, I have a question.
If two women are in a poly relationship with a man and all three individuals are hetero, does it this setup mean that the two women are in a sexual relationship with each other as well?[/QUOTE]
No. It doesn't mean everyone gonna have sex with everyone.
It's ore complex than "everyone is gay on poly reltionships" that people said here
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;5525910]As someone who doesn't advocate polyamorous relations, I have a question.
If two women are in a poly relationship with a man and all three individuals are hetero, does it this setup mean that the two women are in a sexual relationship with each other as well?[/QUOTE]
Polygamy was normal for most of human history and was never looked at in that manner, so no.
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;5525910]As someone who doesn't advocate polyamorous relations, I have a question.
If two women are in a poly relationship with a man and all three individuals are hetero, does it this setup mean that the two women are in a sexual relationship with each other as well?[/QUOTE]
I suppose it could be a poly relationship, but the women would have to be friends for this to work. If they hate each other the relationship will be toast in a month.
I've said it once and I'll say it until the end of his run, the thing that I'll miss most about this era is the consistent directive to use everyone. Characters we haven't seen in years are alive and active and many have integral roles to their books. It sucks that following this era eventually things will return to the status quo or whatever status quo which is familiar to the MCU at that point, and most of these incredible characters will be back in limbo or lost to the decade!