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[QUOTE=Celestialbodies;5525953]I've said it once and I'll say it until the end of his run, the thing that I'll miss most about this era is the consistent directive to use everyone. Characters we haven't seen in years are alive and active and many have integral roles to their books. It sucks that following this era eventually things will return to the status quo or whatever status quo which is familiar to the MCU at that point, and most of these incredible characters will be back in limbo or lost to the decade![/QUOTE]
Yeah, the writing's been on the wall since the very beginning, with Mystique right there holding a match and waiting to burn it all down (and various others like Sinister, the Shadow King, Exodus, the Arakko mutants, etc. also foreshadowing doom everywhere), but I will really miss being able to pick up books and see characters like Frenzy on teams, and occasional walk-byes of characters like Tempo.
Where else but the Age of Krakoa could I pick up a book called 'X-Men: Curse of the Man-Thing' and the team is Magik, Forearm, Shark Girl, Marrow, Mammomax and Wolf Cub. Just, WTF, and I love it.
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[QUOTE=Celestialbodies;5525953]I've said it once and I'll say it until the end of his run, the thing that I'll miss most about this era is the consistent directive to use everyone. Characters we haven't seen in years are alive and active and many have integral roles to their books. It sucks that following this era eventually things will return to the status quo or whatever status quo which is familiar to the MCU at that point, and most of these incredible characters will be back in limbo or lost to the decade![/QUOTE]
agreed. this is probably one of the best parts about to era to me
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[QUOTE=Sutekh;5525975]...Where else but the Age of Krakoa could I pick up a book called 'X-Men: Curse of the Man-Thing' and the team is Magik, Forearm, Shark Girl, Marrow, Mammomax and Wolf Cub. Just, WTF, and I love it.[/QUOTE]
I haven’t read it, yet, because I know I’m going to be disappointed. Gerber’s Man-Thing was so fantastic. Any other use of the character has disappointed me.
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[QUOTE=Sutekh;5525975]...Where else but the Age of Krakoa could I pick up a book called 'X-Men: Curse of the Man-Thing' and the team is Magik, Forearm, Shark Girl, Marrow, Mammomax and Wolf Cub. Just, WTF, and I love it.[/QUOTE]
BTW, I don’t mean to sound to down on it. Although I expect disappointment, you are right on! It is cool! Anytime Man-Thing gets a book, it’s a great thing, even if Gerber is no longer with us.
Man-Thing in an X title? Can D'Spayre be far behind?
Also, is Man-Thing going to be a Krakoan resident going foward? If so, is it due to the Pacific island jungle environment?
If Man-Thing is to be a Krakoan resident, the other residents will need to be warned, to say nothing of the residents of Arakko. Man-Thing is dangerous. “Whoever knows fear [I]burns[/I]...” Man-Thing has burned quite a few monsters and demons, even going toe-to-toe with Dr. Strange and the Hulk. That’s no joke. Now, if only this appearance was as full of jokes and weirdness that Gerber brought to the table.
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[QUOTE=Brian B;5525089]What would your preferred term be for a throuple? Let me know, please. I am seriously NOT trying to offend the LGBTQ+ community. I will use whatever term you want me ro use.[/QUOTE]
You know what? I apologize.
I wasn't saying you can't use the word. I was saying "the preferred label of the LGBTQ+ community" isn't true for everyone. You can use whatever word you want, but it doesn't define all of us. You're doing great!
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[QUOTE=Brian B;5526090]BTW, I don’t mean to sound to down on it. Although I expect disappointment, you are right on! It is cool! Anytime Man-Thing gets a book, it’s a great thing, even if Gerber is no longer with us. [/quote]
I've read none of his earlier stuff, although I'm pretty sure I've read Gerber's stuff in Defenders, and am passingly familiar with his trippy esthetic. I'm not feeling that particular vibe here, so you might not be terribly into it.
[quote] Man-Thing is dangerous. “Whoever knows fear [I]burns[/I]...” Man-Thing has burned quite a few monsters and demons, even going toe-to-toe with Dr. Strange and the Hulk. That’s no joke. [/QUOTE]
He's definitely portrayed as a potential global threat here, so there is that, at least.
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[QUOTE=kevinism;5526625]You know what? I apologize.
I wasn't saying you can't use the word. I was saying "the preferred label of the LGBTQ+ community" isn't true for everyone. You can use whatever word you want, but it doesn't define all of us. You're doing great![/QUOTE]
No need to apologize. I wasn’t offended. I don’t want to insult you or anybody who is part of the LGBTQ+ community, especially over use of the word “queer.”
I have read that many in the LGBTQ+ consider that polyamory falls under the “queer” label, as polyamory is not part of the what is regarded as heteronormative relationships. That’s why I was using the word “queer” to describe polyamory.
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[QUOTE=Brian B;5526666]No need to apologize. I wasn’t offended. I don’t want to insult you or anybody who is part of the LGBTQ+ community, especially over use of the word “queer.”
I have read that many in the LGBTQ+ consider that polyamory falls under the “queer” label, as polyamory is not part of the what is regarded as heteronormative relationships.
I’m also very aware that for much of human history marriage and “hetero” relationships had little to do with notions of romantic love, and were most often about accumulating wealth within a family, often arranged and most often for men’s benefit. Worldwide, marriage is still about what we might think of as business, not love. Historically, this very often involved polygamy and in many places still does. That’s why I use the word heteronormative instead of traditional. Because traditionally, marriage is about accumulating wealth to benefit families, probably understandably so.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for being a great ally!
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This poly-thing, it's a way Hickman has found not to deal with romantic relationships and all the drama of competition, preferences. It reminds me when I had in front of me two sets of color pencils, I couldn't choose, I bought the two boxes.
The result is the impression we have no anymore the previous characters, there are new characters because it has never be hinted before. It is one of the many things that makes of Hickman's run, a curious object that blends in difficulty with the rest.
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[QUOTE=Zelena;5526811]This poly-thing, it's a way Hickman has found not to deal with romantic relationships and all the drama of competition, preferences. It reminds me when I had in front of me two sets of color pencils, I couldn't choose, I bought the two boxes.
The result is the impression we have no anymore the previous characters, there are new characters because it has never be hinted before. It is one of the many things that makes of Hickman's run, a curious object that blends in difficulty with the rest.[/QUOTE]
While I don’t disagree the Scott+Jean+Wolverine throuple is a simple though inelegant solution from Hickman for the Scott+Jean+Wolverine love triangle, you can’t say it hasn’t been hinted at. Jean and Wolverine have had a love connection in spite of Scott for more than 4 decades. You can’t say this thing wasn’t hinted at. It even made it into the movies.
The real question is, does comicbook Wolverine look like Hugh Jackman or Tim “Dr. Hook” McCracken from the movie [I]Slapshot[/I]? Personally, I think Jackman’s too obvious a choice. I like to think Jeannie’s gettin’ with this:
[IMG]https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_VONRM4on08/UkgEOJEYpuI/AAAAAAAA8NM/t2NF2PYz8D8/s1600/descarga+(1).jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--EL9orQ5PXc/Uhy2YeX9zDI/AAAAAAAAPLw/rO6jGKkaTGY/s1600/slap_shot3_display_image.jpg[/IMG]
LOL! :D
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[QUOTE=Brian B;5527674]While I don’t disagree the Scott+Jean+Wolverine throuple is a simple though inelegant solution from Hickman for the Scott+Jean+Wolverine love triangle, you can’t say it hasn’t been hinted at. Jean and Wolverine have had a love connection in spite of Scott for more than 4 decades. You can’t say this thing wasn’t hinted at. It even made it into the movies.
The real question is, does comicbook Wolverine look like Hugh Jackman or Tim “Dr. Hook” McCracken from the movie [I]Slapshot[/I]? Personally, I think Jackman’s too obvious a choice. I like to think Jeannie’s gettin’ with this:
[IMG]https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_VONRM4on08/UkgEOJEYpuI/AAAAAAAA8NM/t2NF2PYz8D8/s1600/descarga+(1).jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--EL9orQ5PXc/Uhy2YeX9zDI/AAAAAAAAPLw/rO6jGKkaTGY/s1600/slap_shot3_display_image.jpg[/IMG]
LOL! :D[/QUOTE]
It is completely gross, there is nothing elegant on it. Two men that are toxic for jean and out of character behavior
[QUOTE=Zelena;5526811]This poly-thing, it's a way Hickman has found not to deal with romantic relationships and all the drama of competition, preferences. It reminds me when I had in front of me two sets of color pencils, I couldn't choose, I bought the two boxes.
The result is the impression we have no anymore the previous characters, there are new characters because it has never be hinted before. It is one of the many things that makes of Hickman's run, a curious object that blends in difficulty with the rest.[/QUOTE]
Good thing tis that they didn't commited to anything. So it is not happening, they let it open and never defined what is happening.
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5527759]It is completely gross, there is nothing elegant on it. Two men that are toxic for jean and out of character behavior[/QUOTE]
I think given the track record including with the D’Bari and Jean’s taste in roasted asparagus (people), it maybe Jean who is toxic to the boys.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5527759]Good thing tis that they didn't commited to anything. So it is not happening, they let it open and never defined what is happening.[/QUOTE]
Oh please. We’ve been through this. I’m not re-posting the panels of Jean and Logan doin’ it in X-Force or diagrams from X-Men on their suite of bedrooms with no doors. The three of ‘em are throupling.
If you learned to relax about it, you could have a laugh about it too, imagining inanities like the character from the movie [I]Slapshot[/I] with Sophie Turner — that sh!t’s too crazy funny not to laugh at. It’s, like, c’mon, Claremont! C’mon Hickman! What were the two of you thinkin’, LOL!
:D
Then again, if you think of Wolverine as Hugh Jackman, I guess it does make a little more sense...
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[QUOTE=Brian B;5527798]I think given the track record including with the D’Bari and Jean’s taste in roasted asparagus (people), it maybe Jean who is toxic to the boys.[/quote]
She was raped an dmind controlled. she isn't a cold murderer. Just show how little you know Jean
[quote]Oh please. We’ve been through this. I’m not re-posting the panels of Jean and Logan doin’ it in X-Force or diagrams from X-Men on their suite of bedrooms with no doors. The three of ‘em are throupling. If you learned to relax about it, you could have a laugh about it too, imagining inanities like the character from the movie [I]Slapshot[/I] with Sophie Turner — that sh!t’s too crazy funny not to laugh at. It’s, like, c’mon, Claremont! C’mon Hickman! What were the two of you thinkin’, LOL!
:D
Then again, if you think of Wolverine as Hugh Jackman, I guess it does make a little more sense...[/QUOTE]
That proves that she kissed Logan. Nothing show that Scott is ok with it
writers had many chances of showing it really happening, so the only conclusion is not happening. Unless you have the proof.
You even lied about Hickman interview
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5527806]She was raped an dmind controlled. she isn't a cold murderer. Just show how little you know Jean[/QUOTE]
I read X-Men 137 when it came out, fresh off the newsstand. It was Jean. The story is robbed of its power if it’s some space entity garbage. Byrne and Busiek screwed that up.
Also, even if you go with in-continuity, Marvel canon these days, Jean herself says it’s all her now, a completely integrated personality. So, yeah, still Jean, charbroiling the asparagus folk.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5527806]That proves that she kissed Logan. Nothing show that Scott is ok with it
writers had many chances of showing it really happening, so the only conclusion is not happening. Unless you have the proof.
You even lied about Hickman interview[/QUOTE]
Two people alone and naked in a hot tub do NOT stop at kissing if they are engaged in amorous activity, period.
I didn’t lie about anything. Listen to the Hickman interview. He confirms the throuple. He talks about how he doesn’t want to bang people over the head with it. I guess the other writers didn’t get that memo from Head of X, ‘cuz they’re making it pretty explicit by Marvel comics standards.
You gotta relax about it. Learn to have a chuckle over it. It’s fiction. We don’t know where Hickman’s going with it. I didn’t like X-Men #132 when Jean and Scott’s relationship got a little too close for my comfort then. I didn’t like what Morrison did with Scott and Emma. But you know what? It’s fine. The writers and creators did what they did and wrote what they wrote, and now it’s canon, just like the throuple. But if you chilled out a little about it, you’d see it’s all in good, clean fun anyway, and it’s only a retcon away from not having happened, just like Jean dying or Jean being or not being Phoenix. Sometimes, you have to trust where the writer and writers are going. See crazy pop art like the Star Wars movies or Breaking Bad for details on how crazy plotlines get resolved after fandoms’ dissent, then come around to love it.
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I don't think oanyone screwed up any story. Jean was the victim, she isn't a mass murderer
The Hickman interview you posted is from 2016. he never confirmed it on page or out of page.
Without proof impossible say what is going on
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5527867]I don't think oanyone screwed up any story. Jean was the victim, she isn't a mass murderer[/QUOTE]
Tell that to the D’Bari, LOL!
[QUOTE=Rang10;5527867] The Hickman interview you posted is from 2016. he never confirmed it on page or out of page.
Without proof impossible say what is going on[/QUOTE]
Did I post the 2016 interview? Shoot! Sorry. Here, 2019, same podcast program, different episode. He talks about a lot of interesting things with the X titles:
[URL="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trust-the-process-with-jonathan-hickman/id1006337409?i=1000455253952"]https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trust-the-process-with-jonathan-hickman/id1006337409?i=1000455253952[/URL]
And proof? You see Jean naked and making out in a hot tub with Wolverine, and living in a suite with no doors with Wolverine, Cyclops and Jean. They’re a throuple. Or Jean’s a total cheater and Scott is beyond clueless. Jean’s never been depicted as dishonest. She even admitted when she flash fried the D’Bari in X-Men #137. So, cheating is basically out. The three of them are an item.
You just need to trust Hickman to resolve it all in some fashion. An alternative lifestyle choice by fictional characters is very, VERY far from the worst thing going on in the X titles. I’m not even going to say it’s wrong. You bought the ticket from Hickman and Marvel. Now, you need to relax and enjoy the ride, see where they’re going with it all.
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Interviews arent acanon anyway and he never confirmed or people would be posting this interview all the time.
So what? I take that there isn't proof on books and I'm right for doing that
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5527883]Interviews arent acanon anyway and he never confirmed or people would be posting this interview all the time.
So what? I take that there isn't proof on books and I'm right for doing that[/QUOTE]
No, you are willfully misreading what is presented on the pages of the comicbooks.
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[QUOTE=Brian B;5527893]No, you are willfully misreading what is presented on the pages of the comicbooks.[/QUOTE]
No, i'm not doing that. I'm reading what is presented intead of taking leaps to interpret the wrong way
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Referencing the Theseus's Ship paradox, I wonder if individual identity matters anymore for cloned Krakoans. If death is temporary, what value do Hickman's X-Men assign to a life? The run is interesting, but it lacks soul.
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[QUOTE=Subliminal;5527946]Referencing the Theseus's Ship paradox, I wonder if individual identity matters anymore for cloned Krakoans. If death is temporary, what value do Hickman's X-Men assign to a life? The run is interesting, but it lacks soul.[/QUOTE]
This seems to be one of the things Way of X will deal with it
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5527908]No, i'm not doing that. I'm reading what is presented intead of taking leaps to interpret the wrong way[/QUOTE]
It’s not a leap that two naked characters in a hot tub alone and making out are going to do the deed. Indeed, that’s naturally what’s going to happen if it isn’t already while they’re embracing.
Same with denying that three people living together in connected bedrooms and no doors are living together.
Instead of you continuing to deny what Hickman talks about and what is depicted on the page, why don’t you just say, “I, [B]Rang10[/B], do not like the throuple that Hickman has depicted. It bothers me.” Instead, you act like other readers, such as myself, are making it up. We’re not and I’m not. It’s in the comics.
Place blame where it belongs — Hickman.
Really, though, i think you need to not be so uptight and just go with Hickman’s flow. See where it goes. Don’t let a fiction bother you so much. It’s just a comic.
Half of me thinks it’s hysterical that Marvel has allowed Hickman to make X-Men more like Cherry Poptart.
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[QUOTE=Brian B;5527674]While I don’t disagree the Scott+Jean+Wolverine throuple is a simple though inelegant solution from Hickman for the Scott+Jean+Wolverine love triangle, you can’t say it hasn’t been hinted at. Jean and Wolverine have had a love connection in spite of Scott for more than 4 decades. You can’t say this thing wasn’t hinted at. It even made it into the movies. [/QUOTE]
One of the biggest reasons I can't accept this situation as a solution of any kind for the triangle is that those decades of attraction between Jean and Logan were motivated in part by Claremont's hate for Scott. If Jean and Logan are going to be together, then Scott should just be apart from that.
The movies are not a good point, they were Wolverine films before there was a Wolverine trilogy.
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[QUOTE=Brian B;5527981]It’s not a leap that two naked characters in a hot tub alone and making out are going to do the deed. Indeed, that’s naturally what’s going to happen if it isn’t already while they’re embracing.
Same with denying that three people living together in connected bedrooms and no doors are living together.
Instead of you continuing to deny what Hickman talks about and what is depicted on the page, why don’t you just say, “I, [B]Rang10[/B], do not like the throuple that Hickman has depicted. It bothers me.” Instead, you act like other readers, such as myself, are making it up. We’re not and I’m not. It’s in the comics.
Place blame where it belongs — Hickman.
Really, though, i think you need to not be so uptight and just go with Hickman’s flow. See where it goes. Don’t let a fiction bother you so much. It’s just a comic.
Half of me thinks it’s hysterical that Marvel has allowed Hickman to make X-Men more like Cherry Poptart.[/QUOTE]
You want me to believe in what you saying while you don't show any proof. No proof, I wont say it is a thing. I think they had a intention on the beginning, but turns out that is just Percy using Jean to kiss Logan to make him look better. It might be something or might be nothing, doesn't look like all writers are on the same page.
I still have many questions about these characters.
Jean was using a bikini and we dont know if logan was using clothes or not. So you are not accurate here.
[QUOTE=Hizashi;5528092]One of the biggest reasons I can't accept this situation as a solution of any kind for the triangle is that those decades of attraction between Jean and Logan were motivated in part by Claremont's hate for Scott. If Jean and Logan are going to be together, then Scott should just be apart from that.
The movies are not a good point, they were Wolverine films before there was a Wolverine trilogy.[/QUOTE]
Claremont went out of his way to Retcon Jean as being attracted to Logan. Other writers played more into Logan having a unrequited love for Jean.
I dont get wy Claremont didn't used Angel that literally love Jean and never assaulted her over it.
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Were Jean and Scott shown to be in relationship recently? I cant remember them even kissing. They live together, but they could just be amicable ex's who feal comfortable around each other and have a bunch of kids and grandkids running around so they just treat each other as family even if they are no longer together.
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[QUOTE=Harasar;5528142]Were Jean and Scott shown to be in relationship recently? I cant remember them even kissing. They live together, but they could just be amicable ex's who feal comfortable around each other and have a bunch of kids and grandkids running around so they just treat each other as family even if they are no longer together.[/QUOTE]
She kissed him to give him motivation on X of swords and they were holding hands on issue pencilled by Brett Booth. Last issue of X-force they were sleeping on same bed but with they sleepy wear on., Jean talking to him and him sleeping not caring what she is saying.
I think writers are very inconsistent, many times they seemed very passionless
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5528096]You want me to believe in what you saying while you don't show any proof. No proof, I wont say it is a thing. I think they had a intention on the beginning, but turns out that is just Percy using Jean to kiss Logan to make him look better. It might be something or might be nothing, doesn't look like all writers are on the same page.
I still have many questions about these characters.
Jean was using a bikini and we dont know if logan was using clothes or not. So you are not accurate here.
Claremont went out of his way to Retcon Jean as being attracted to Logan. Other writers played more into Logan having a unrequited love for Jean.
I dont get wy Claremont didn't used Angel that literally love Jean and never assaulted her over it.[/QUOTE]
The triangle has been harmful to the characters and the X-Men (through the films) and this situation isn't helping.
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5528156]She kissed him to give him motivation on X of swords and they were holding hands on issue pencilled by Brett Booth. Last issue of X-force they were sleeping on same bed but with they sleepy wear on., Jean talking to him and him sleeping not caring what she is saying.
I think writers are very inconsistent, many times they seemed very passionless[/QUOTE]
Maybe it's the pessimist in me but I don't think things will end well for them.
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5528096]You want me to believe in what you saying while you don't show any proof. No proof, I wont say it is a thing. I think they had a intention on the beginning, but turns out that is just Percy using Jean to kiss Logan to make him look better. It might be something or might be nothing, doesn't look like all writers are on the same page.
I still have many questions about these characters.
Jean was using a bikini and we dont know if logan was using clothes or not. So you are not accurate here.
Claremont went out of his way to Retcon Jean as being attracted to Logan. Other writers played more into Logan having a unrequited love for Jean.
I dont get wy Claremont didn't used Angel that literally love Jean and never assaulted her over it.[/QUOTE]
I’ve provided the links to images and a podcast. Scott+Jean+Wolverine are a throuple.
About X-Force #10, in the first page of the scene, Jean is wearing a bikini. By the time they’re canoodling in the hot tub, she’s topless. Go look at the picture. Anyone who gets into a hot tub alone with another person and engages romantically, they end up going much further than kissing. Period.
As for their relationship, no retcon. Wolverine has always liked Jean.
X-Men #98:
[URL="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fAQESS8RUPc/Um-pm93O_jI/AAAAAAAAStc/q2xbXbd9GHI/s1600/Image00011.jpg"]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fAQESS8RUPc/Um-pm93O_jI/AAAAAAAAStc/q2xbXbd9GHI/s1600/Image00011.jpg[/URL]
X-Men #110:
[URL="http://www.tcj.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/110ux.png"]http://www.tcj.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/110ux.png[/URL]
X-Men #128:
[URL="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-No_Ka367W-w/UEi-NoQtWvI/AAAAAAAAKwk/Z2rh_UqSAxI/s1600/033.jpg"]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-No_Ka367W-w/UEi-NoQtWvI/AAAAAAAAKwk/Z2rh_UqSAxI/s1600/033.jpg[/URL]
X-Men #242:
[URL="http://xmenpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/xmen242Panel01.png"]http://xmenpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/xmen242Panel01.png[/URL]
Yeah, I know, relatively one-sided until that last one there. But Logan and Jean go way back. The movies didn’t create the relationship out of nothing. Claremont didn’t just retcon it. It started 6 issues into the all-new, all-different X-Men.
I was also reminded, good things in comics come from polyamory. Exhibit A-1: Dr. Marston’s Wonder Woman!
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[QUOTE=Brian B;5528250]I’ve provided the links to images and a podcast. Scott+Jean+Wolverine are a throuple.
About X-Force #10, in the first page of the scene, Jean is wearing a bikini. By the time they’re canoodling in the hot tub, she’s topless. Go look at the picture. Anyone who gets into a hot tub alone with another person and engages romantically, they end up going much further than kissing. Period.
As for their relationship, no retcon. Wolverine has always like Jean.
X-Men #98:
[URL="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fAQESS8RUPc/Um-pm93O_jI/AAAAAAAAStc/q2xbXbd9GHI/s1600/Image00011.jpg"]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fAQESS8RUPc/Um-pm93O_jI/AAAAAAAAStc/q2xbXbd9GHI/s1600/Image00011.jpg[/URL]
X-Men #110:
[URL="http://www.tcj.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/110ux.png"]http://www.tcj.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/110ux.png[/URL]
X-Men #128:
[URL="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-No_Ka367W-w/UEi-NoQtWvI/AAAAAAAAKwk/Z2rh_UqSAxI/s1600/033.jpg"]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-No_Ka367W-w/UEi-NoQtWvI/AAAAAAAAKwk/Z2rh_UqSAxI/s1600/033.jpg[/URL]
X-Men #242:
[URL="http://xmenpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/xmen242Panel01.png"]http://xmenpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/xmen242Panel01.png[/URL]
Yeah, I know, relatively one-sided until that last one there. But Logan and Jean go way back. The movies didn’t create the relationship out of nothing. Claremont didn’t just retcon it. It started 6 issues into the all-new, all-different X-Men.
I was also reminded, good things in comics come from polyamory. Exhibit A-1: Dr. Marston’s Wonder Woman![/QUOTE]
I thought they were in a open relationship, because Scott is still seeing Emma.
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[QUOTE=Hizashi;5528239]Maybe it's the pessimist in me but I don't think things will end well for them.[/QUOTE]
After reading the last issue of X-force I think it will be nothing or things gonna go south on the end. This feel so disjointed that we might dodge a bullet.
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[QUOTE=Brian B;5528250]I’ve provided the links to images and a podcast. Scott+Jean+Wolverine are a throuple.
About X-Force #10, in the first page of the scene, Jean is wearing a bikini. By the time they’re canoodling in the hot tub, she’s topless. Go look at the picture. Anyone who gets into a hot tub alone with another person and engages romantically, they end up going much further than kissing. Period.
As for their relationship, no retcon. Wolverine has always liked Jean.
X-Men #98:
[URL="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fAQESS8RUPc/Um-pm93O_jI/AAAAAAAAStc/q2xbXbd9GHI/s1600/Image00011.jpg"]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fAQESS8RUPc/Um-pm93O_jI/AAAAAAAAStc/q2xbXbd9GHI/s1600/Image00011.jpg[/URL]
X-Men #110:
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X-Men #128:
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X-Men #242:
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Yeah, I know, relatively one-sided until that last one there. But Logan and Jean go way back. The movies didn’t create the relationship out of nothing. Claremont didn’t just retcon it. It started 6 issues into the all-new, all-different X-Men.
I was also reminded, good things in comics come from polyamory. Exhibit A-1: Dr. Marston’s Wonder Woman![/QUOTE]
being topless isn't the same as having sex with someone, saw many topless women on beach that weren't having sex.
Yes, Claremont retconned it. Jean wasn't interested on Logan when he start to hint hard on her and that should be kept that way, I felt it took away Jean's agency and protagonism.
Also it is nothing deep or omplex. Logan true love is Mariko, too bad she is asian so writers ignore her.
[QUOTE=Hizashi;5528237]The triangle has been harmful to the characters and the X-Men (through the films) and this situation isn't helping.[/QUOTE]
Agree, I felt like it made the caracters look bad when some writers followed on that. not many, but the wo that did it relaly screwed up badly
I felt like Morrison punished Jean because of the movies. They couldn't do it with Logan because he is a cash cow so Jean ended up paying for that.
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5528264]being topless isn't the same as having sex with someone, saw many topless women on beach that weren't having sex.
Yes, Claremont retconned it. Jean wasn't interested on Logan when he start to hint hard on her and that should be kept that way, I felt it took away Jean's agency and protagonism.[/QUOTE]
It's a shame, but the problem is that even if the situation is diffused, I'm worried Jean is going to be thrown under the bus. I think some fans put too much blame on Scott, but there's definitely a possibility that Jean gets the short end of the stick here.
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[QUOTE=Darkgreed;5528254]I thought they were in a open relationship, because Scott is still seeing Emma.[/QUOTE]
Are they together? It's nowhere near as explicit as Jean and Logan.
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[QUOTE=Brian B;5528250]I’ve provided the links to images and a podcast. Scott+Jean+Wolverine are a throuple.
About X-Force #10, in the first page of the scene, Jean is wearing a bikini. By the time they’re canoodling in the hot tub, she’s topless. Go look at the picture. Anyone who gets into a hot tub alone with another person and engages romantically, they end up going much further than kissing. Period.
As for their relationship, no retcon. Wolverine has always liked Jean.
X-Men #98:
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X-Men #110:
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X-Men #128:
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X-Men #242:
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Yeah, I know, relatively one-sided until that last one there. But Logan and Jean go way back. The movies didn’t create the relationship out of nothing. Claremont didn’t just retcon it. It started 6 issues into the all-new, all-different X-Men.
I was also reminded, good things in comics come from polyamory. Exhibit A-1: Dr. Marston’s Wonder Woman![/QUOTE]
The retcon was reciprocity from Jean,
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[QUOTE=Darkgreed;5528254]I thought they were in a open relationship, because Scott is still seeing Emma.[/QUOTE]
Yes, this is true, though it’s not shown quite as explicitly lately as what’s happening in Scott’s, Jean’s and Wolverine’s 3-bedroom, no-door suite. Or in Wolvie’s and Jean’s hot tub moment, or kissing over coffee. But yeah, Emma and Scott are happening, too, as far as I can tell.
If someone is bothered by the sanctity of Scott’s and Jean’s relationship being violated, it’s really Morrison’s fault. But then in my mind, Emma’s the enemy of good, along with the rest of the Hellfire Club. I remember X-Men 129 through 131 quite well. This is when X-Men were X-Men, IMO:
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The Claremont, Byrne and Austin X-Men are still the gold standard of X-Men, aren’t they?
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[QUOTE=Hizashi;5528272]It's a shame, but the problem is that even if the situation is diffused, I'm worried Jean is going to be thrown under the bus. I think some fans put too much blame on Scott, but there's definitely a possibility that Jean gets the short end of the stick here.[/QUOTE]
It really feels like they are setting her up to fail. The thing is that she kissing wolverine has zero impact on stories, I just hope it has a explanation and retconned away.
Scott bounced back from abandoming the family and cheating, he will just do fine anyway
[QUOTE=Hizashi;5528276]Are they together? It's nowhere near as explicit as Jean and Logan.[/QUOTE]
Nothing is shown. it is funny people saying that it is happening without ever showing. For me this run shows that some readers just follow what they want independent of what was written.
Yhis could be a great class about comics, it almost feel like some kind of gaslihtw Sometimes I even doubt we are all reading same comics
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5528264]being topless isn't the same as having sex with someone, saw many topless women on beach that weren't having sex.
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I'm not really invested in this, but Marvel comics aren't usually that explicit about sex. We're not talking about people on the beach, we're talking about two fictional characters alone in a hot tub making out. If the comic went further then that it would be NSFW.
Honest question, not trying to convince you into believing anything: What do you think is going on? Are you going with the mindset that Jean is cheating? Why do you think Logan takes up permanent residence in the Summers home?
Again, not tryna be combative or convince you of anything, just genuinely curious about your take on it.
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[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5528292]I'm not really invested in this, but Marvel comics aren't usually that explicit about sex. We're not talking about people on the beach, we're talking about two fictional characters alone in a hot tub making out. If the comic went further then that it would be NSFW.
Honest question, not trying to convince you into believing anything: What do you think is going on? Are you going with the mindset that Jean is cheating? Why do you think Logan takes up permanent residence in the Summers home?
Again, not tryna be combative or convince you of anything, just genuinely curious about your take on it.[/QUOTE]
Marvel is pretty explicit about sex. Like we saw Carol and Strange on a morning after talking that they had sex.
Just a kiss won't cut with me
Fo me is just the writer trying to have his cake and eat it. The kisses only ever happen on x-force, not even on wolverine they happen and has zero impact on story. Take them out change nothing on the storiea and how the characters interact.
why do he live on summers house? because writers want people to comment on it, even if it makes zero sense, specially how badly Logan did with Laura and Gabby.
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[QUOTE=Rang10;5528291]It really feels like they are setting her up to fail. The thing is that she kissing wolverine has zero impact on stories, I just hope it has a explanation and retconned away.
Scott bounced back from abandoming the family and cheating, he will just do fine anyway[/QUOTE]
It is pointless, I agree. I don't like it at all.
There are still people who judge Scott only for those mistakes, so believe me that I'm concerned for him as well as Jean.
[QUOTE=Rang10;5528291]Nothing is shown. it is funny people saying that it is happening without ever showing. For me this run shows that some readers just follow what they want independent of what was written.
Yhis could be a great class about comics, it almost feel like some kind of gaslihtw Sometimes I even doubt we are all reading same comics[/QUOTE]
I mean, they've kissed, I saw that. Scott and Emma have barely smiled at each other as far as I can tell.
