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[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5662096]I try to be a little optimistic. I just hope Strange Academy doesn't do what CM did with Amora's character.[/QUOTE]
I'm hoping for it, I really need to see a real change. I can't live always like this all the time, thinking that no writer loves her.
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Amora cameo in Fantastic Four 60 aniversary cover
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[QUOTE=juan678;5663009]Amora cameo in Fantastic Four 60 aniversary cover
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Have Amora and FF crossed paths before?
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[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5663162]Have Amora and FF crossed paths before?[/QUOTE]
No never, she wasn't interested in the Team, she was always because of some relationship more of Avengers (Thor) or Defenders (Valkyrie)
Nice cover I like it though I don't care much for cameos unless means something.
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[QUOTE=Charlie_1981;5649651]Me too but why the change when something it's so good, it's make her different and unique, even Sylvie Lushton and Lorelei (Lorelei looks like a warrior now, at least she is not a copy of Red Sonja) looks changed and still can change, if we are going to see Sylvie Lushton again you can expect a look similar to the Sylvie of Loki tv series[/QUOTE]
To me Sylvie in the Loki tv serie has way more in common with Amora than Sylvie Rushton. It’s like they decided that her arc is how she became the Enchantress.
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[QUOTE=WallStreeter;5664198]To me Sylvie in the Loki tv serie has way more in common with Amora than Sylvie Rushton. It’s like they decided that her arc is how she became the Enchantress.[/QUOTE]
And exactly what else does she have in common with Amora more than with Sylvie Lushton?
Both are related to Loki, Sylvie may have never seen Loki because he gave her, powers without her realizing it and from one day to the next she wakes up with them, possibly at first she came to think that she was a mutant or something similar, she wanted to be a heroine but she had bad luck mixing with bad people who have complicated her life and perhaps they have taken away the illusion she had at the beginning, making wrong decisions. And surely to Amora, Sylvie came to see her several times and identified herself with her, hence she decided to call herself Enchantress and decided to pretend that she spoke Asgardian even if it sounded stupid.
Amora in the comics is called like that, she is the Enchantress, the only and incomparable one, she has two recently revealed children, her sister Lorelei, her powers come from experience and having been taught by various magicians and sorceresses of Asgard, she has a complicated relationship with the Valkyries, then we have Skurge, her relationship with Loki is possible that if has certain things that have been brought into the tv series, the chemistry between them was always important, but their lives and paths did not connect as much as it seemed.
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I really would like Thor writers uses Amora more and better than only in cameos, explain her untold story, reveal the mystery of her life, I don't feel that the writers of other books when they use her, they do it correctly except for what little I have seen in Strange Academy with the thing of their children that I wish has a continuity and greater importance (at least, they are real and not illusions out of nowhere like those of the Scarlet Witch), because clearly a character as Amora the Enchantress needs a better development that has been stagnant for decades in the same thing with priority and urgency (people get bored and I'm the first to see her always in the same way, I love the character but I need something better than what I have seen so far, not everything has to be always in villainy), I have tried to say it in many ways in this thread and I do not know if people really understand it, for me, it is weird and does not say too much about the writers of the last 50 almost 60 years without a story centered on her to tell.
The thing about an ongoing series of Amora is that with the characters related to her, it is almost written alone (Amora, Lorelei, Loki, Skurge, Thor, Iric and Alvi, the unknown father of the latter two, Sylvie Lushton, even Ove the alternate future child of Amora and Namor, the Valkyries, Karnilla, Hela ...) maybe it can be as funny as it was in its moment She-Hulk byy Byrne, maybe written by Al Ewing or even Scottie Young would be cool.
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Zeb Wells can be another alternative. I really like his work on Hellions. His writing has a wicked sense of humor which I think should fit Amora well. The curse of Amora is that writers aren't willing make her step out of her villain role so the character stagnates. It's even worse that they aren't using her that often as a villain either. Taking a new approach may rejuvenate her but Marvel isn't committed to it. My hope is that someone like Ewing makes a pitch and editors let him do whatever he wants. If it's up to the higher ups at marvel she will be trapped in a never ending cycle. It's the same problem Wanda's suffering ever since HoM. The difference is Amora has been suffering from it ever since her inception.
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I recently read thor issue 383 secret wars tie in and while having problems with how Amora's powers are depicted I quite enjoyed her character there. Far more than how she's usually written as a villain. It is actually a tragedy since that was written in 1987 and for 34 years the writers didn't let her character grow much.
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[QUOTE=Charlie_1981;5684336]I really would like Thor writers uses Amora more and better than only in cameos, explain her untold story, reveal the mystery of her life, I don't feel that the writers of other books when they use her, they do it correctly except for what little I have seen in Strange Academy with the thing of their children that I wish has a continuity and greater importance (at least, they are real and not illusions out of nowhere like those of the Scarlet Witch), because clearly a character as Amora the Enchantress needs a better development that has been stagnant for decades in the same thing with priority and urgency (people get bored and I'm the first to see her always in the same way, I love the character but I need something better than what I have seen so far, not everything has to be always in villainy), I have tried to say it in many ways in this thread and I do not know if people really understand it, for me, it is weird and does not say too much about the writers of the last 50 almost 60 years without a story centered on her to tell.
The thing about an ongoing series of Amora is that with the characters related to her, it is almost written alone (Amora, Lorelei, Loki, Skurge, Thor, Iric and Alvi, the unknown father of the latter two, Sylvie Lushton, even Ove the alternate future child of Amora and Namor, the Valkyries, Karnilla, Hela ...) maybe it can be as funny as it was in its moment She-Hulk byy Byrne, maybe written by Al Ewing or even Scottie Young would be cool.[/QUOTE]
Tbe current Avengers side of Marvel is suffering from bad writing and horrible character development, in particular because the Avengers ended in Endgame in MCU.
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[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5684402]Zeb Wells can be another alternative. I really like his work on Hellions. His writing has a wicked sense of humor which I think should fit Amora well. The curse of Amora is that writers aren't willing make her step out of her villain role so the character stagnates. It's even worse that they aren't using her that often as a villain either. Taking a new approach may rejuvenate her but Marvel isn't committed to it. My hope is that someone like Ewing makes a pitch and editors let him do whatever he wants. If it's up to the higher ups at marvel she will be trapped in a never ending cycle. It's the same problem Wanda's suffering ever since HoM. The difference is Amora has been suffering from it ever since her inception.[/QUOTE]
It's another nice choice that I liked too. :D
True and that is precisely the biggest problem, with any of the characters of X-men (heroes or villains) or Spider-Man that problem has never existed and the writers have always done what they wanted but I suppose that is due to their high popularity index that has allowed it for decades, in Thor they never do it and everything is reduced to such a low number of characters and they hardly take advantage of anything (I would love to see being back a book like Journey Into Mystery, that would allow as in the past to take advantage of other characters or create new plots for the main book and we would not always see the same things).
In the Avengers they have already stagnated with the same characters within the team and those that people love the most seem to no longer have space in that book.
With Amora who is as important and as complex as Loki in every way, they never dare and when they do, they do not risk anything, they do not continue forward or return to the starting box and there it stays, that's why for me I like it so much the character, anything that comes out of being a villain, I will always be considered it an improvement and currently I am very tired of the writers being only able to do one thing with her and also humiliate her by facing weaker characters than her.
[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5684402]I recently read thor issue 383 secret wars tie in and while having problems with how Amora's powers are depicted I quite enjoyed her character there. Far more than how she's usually written as a villain. It is actually a tragedy since that was written in 1987 and for 34 years the writers didn't let her character grow much.[/QUOTE]
This is one of the few issues of Thor that I always liked and I think it was DeFalco first issue of Thor after Walter Simonson.
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[QUOTE=WallStreeter;5684476]Tbe current Avengers side of Marvel is suffering from bad writing and horrible character development, in particular because the Avengers ended in Endgame in MCU.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately it is like that, I already dropped Avengers book but since its beginning when they presented that thing of the prehistoric Avengers, I feel more sane not to read it.
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[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5684435]I recently read thor issue 383 secret wars tie in and while having problems with how Amora's powers are depicted I quite enjoyed her character there. Far more than how she's usually written as a villain. It is actually a tragedy since that was written in 1987 and for 34 years the writers didn't let her character grow much.[/QUOTE]
Been a while since I've read any of my Thor back issues from that era, and my collection is spotty at best, so I may have missed that one altogether, but I'll check it out.
One of my favorite stories featuring Amora is the post-Siege Avengers: Prime mini. Even though, as usual, she's a supporting character to the larger narrative, she's presented as strong, capable, courageous and very powerful, and with more depth than the typical "guest villan" treatment she usually receives. Ever since first reading the story I've felt it was a huge missed opportunity for a follow-up redemption arc, or at the very least some significant character development.
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[QUOTE=Astral Disaster;5690109]Been a while since I've read any of my Thor back issues from that era, and my collection is spotty at best, so I may have missed that one altogether, but I'll check it out.
One of my favorite stories featuring Amora is the post-Siege Avengers: Prime mini. Even though, as usual, she's a supporting character to the larger narrative, she's presented as strong, capable, courageous and very powerful, and with more depth than the typical "guest villan" treatment she usually receives. Ever since first reading the story I've felt it was a huge missed opportunity for a follow-up redemption arc, or at the very least some significant character development.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, me too, Avengers Prime is one of these things that was a good spot on the character (can't believe it was Bendis who wrote it), the other one was (even if it was a bit little) Loki: Agent of Asgard by Al Ewing, the rest pure garbage and a nonsense that needs to be forgotten soon, I hope that the Strange Academy has continuity and it would be fantastic if Donny Cates stops doing the nonsense he is doing and remembers her and also that he really cares because he is not showing the slightest interest in her in what he has been in the issues he is writing in Thor.
Marvel has a huge problem regarding the character and they need clearly to focus more on her, not sidelines her at every opportunity that ends being missed everytime at every year making involutions and making her one-dimensional when she is even more complex than Loki because if they continue like this, the other option would be the worst and it would be basically to kill her and wait more than 20-30 years for someone to want to remember her and reinvigorate her as an important character who deserves to be loved.
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Three nice pics
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And this is always so delightful to see and admire, I always loved that pic
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[QUOTE=Charlie_1981;5706432]And this is always so delightful to see and admire, I always loved that pic
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That's amazing. My favorite Amora artwork is this
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It looks like drawings you'd find in a mythology book. If she had her headpiece then it would be literally perfect.
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[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5706440]That's amazing. My favorite Amora artwork is this
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It looks like drawings you'd find in a mythology book. If she had her headpiece then it would be literally perfect.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I loved it too. :o
This pic was from a cover of Thor: Son of Asgard from 2004-2005, concretely issue 8, also this was from issue 9. Pretty cool too.
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An amazing new pic
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That's lovely. Is it the moon behind Amora?
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[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5711245]That's lovely. Is it the moon behind Amora?[/QUOTE]
It's looks like or maybe an alien planet, not sure.
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Two new pics
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A new one
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Clark is really enjoying it:p
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[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5715678]Clark is really enjoying it:p[/QUOTE]
Personally I found better the other two pics, but clearly and knowing Superman weakness to magic, he is not match for her.
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[QUOTE=Charlie_1981;5715727]Personally I found better the other two pics, but clearly and knowing Superman weakness to magic, he is not match for her.[/QUOTE]
Is he weak to magic or magic affects him the same way it does to everyone else? But yeah I don't think he has much chance against Amora.
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[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5715759]Is he weak to magic or magic affects him the same way it does to everyone else? But yeah I don't think he has much chance against Amora.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea, I have to read old Superman books to see it, but it is said that after Kryptonite, magic is his second weakness, I have no idea why but sure some people will know better than I.
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I was going through Thor Epic Collection: Worldengine and this page made me chuckle. It's now among my favorite pages in comics.
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Also an Asgardian god and goddess deal with mundane things is more enjoyable than I thought.
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[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5715949]Also an Asgardian god and goddess deal with mundane things is more enjoyable than I thought.[/QUOTE]
I agree but this was an anomaly on the whole Messner-Loebs run until the end of the book, it was a nice start but issues later means so little because the writer never has an interest to make it interesting because the book was cancelled until Onslaught and Heroes Reborn.
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[QUOTE=Charlie_1981;5716008]I agree but this was an anomaly on the whole Messner-Loebs run until the end of the book, it was a nice start but issues later means so little because the writer never has an interest to make it interesting because the book was cancelled until Onslaught and Heroes Reborn.[/QUOTE]
That's a shame. I really enjoyed what I read until this point.
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[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5716011]That's a shame. I really enjoyed what I read until this point.[/QUOTE]
Well it was in the middle of the end of Ellis run and Messner-Loebs beginning.
I really loved that issue but the art was not really good.
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A very nice Sylvie Lushton aka Enchantress II new pic
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Also, I still miss her a lot, can't believe Marvel still not make her be back after that issue of Illuminati when Amora sent her to an unknown place between the 10 realms.
I know that I said it multiple times but I still think on some hopes to see her again.
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Another month of solicitations and no mentions of the Enchantress in any place, the only thing we know is basically that Death of Doctor Strange: Strange Academy of next month with Amora and sons, nothing more on the rest of 2021 like it's usual trend. :(
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In Strange Academy cover Future Version Amora Son:confused:
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[QUOTE=Charlie_1981;5733571]Another month of solicitations and no mentions of the Enchantress in any place, the only thing we know is basically that [B]Death of Doctor Strange: Strange Academy[/B] of next month with Amora and sons, nothing more on the rest of 2021 like it's usual trend. :([/QUOTE]
I hope that turns out well at least.
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[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5733798]I hope that turns out well at least.[/QUOTE]
Sorry that I took a while to respond.
I hope so too but I've been waiting for that for so long that I never know what to think, for me it is very clear that Marvel does not care about the character or the slightest bit and the writers of Thor practically less.
And honestly I am glad that you write things here, you are basically the only person in the entire forum that does it, I do not see that anyone else says or thinks anything and this year I had decided not to do it basically because I feel sad, frustrated and depressed and because I believed that nobody cared and I couldn't make sense of it but it is good to try to reivindicate a character that deserves much more of what everyone gave to her throughout the decades.
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I'm not a long time comic book reader so I'm not at depressed stage yet though I'm definitely frustated. I understand the hesitance to write about a character which is so neglected nowadays. When there is no new material to talk about all you can do is post some artwork or talk about older material or talk about how you wanna see the character going forward and even that is frustrating considering the negligent attitude of Marvel towards Enchantress. If marvel is not going to write solo Enchantress stories I don't understand why they don't at least use her in Thor more often. She's an integral part of Asgard yet Thor stories are stuck in this weird cycle of he's not worthy/he lost mjolnir rinse and repeat.
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[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5734812]I'm not a long time comic book reader so I'm not at depressed stage yet though I'm definitely frustated. I understand the hesitance to write about a character which is so neglected nowadays. When there is no new material to talk about all you can do is post some artwork or talk about older material or talk about how you wanna see the character going forward and even that is frustrating considering the negligent attitude of Marvel towards Enchantress. If marvel is not going to write solo Enchantress stories I don't understand why they don't at least use her in Thor more often. She's an integral part of Asgard yet Thor stories are stuck in this weird cycle of he's not worthy/he lost mjolnir rinse and repeat.[/QUOTE]
It is precisely what I feel, and although I have said it on countless occasions, I cannot be satisfied with what there is, there should be some way to talk to someone from Marvel and express things and that in some way, they are able to listen , I know that it is a utopia to think like that and above all to be very naive. I have been trying for years and decades and there is no way that someone is able to answer a simple question, either on sites like twitter, formspring, tumblr ... it is not easy at all and in the end it is inevitable to end up depressed and be pessimistic with each appearance because you know that it always ends up being worse than the previous one and that it is not easy to find a writer capable of respecting the character, in Thor unfortunately it has happened for decades and in the last 15 years it has gotten worse because they only focus in the same and repeat things without changing anything, without thinking or developing better all the characters, the only one who has had a decent development has been Loki, the others have practically become little less than cannon fodder and the case of The Enchantress is something that no one seems to think from the mid-80s to the present, very rarely, that they can be counted on the fingers of one hand, there has been a slightest hint that something could change, but at the In the end, the same thing happens, everything is forgotten, without development or continuity.