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Preview of Captain Marvel 30 with more Amora.
[url]https://aiptcomics.com/2021/07/15/marvel-preview-captain-marvel-30/[/url]
I have no idea how this can be connected with Strange Academy or that possibly what is going to happen here, can make Amora decide and realize she can rekindle her relationship with her sons.
Or the easiest explanation: Magic, and the fact that Amora is a magic user of high/godly level that can use illusions to be at various places at the same time.
[QUOTE=Charlie_1981;5635044]Preview of Captain Marvel 30 with more Amora.
[url]https://aiptcomics.com/2021/07/15/marvel-preview-captain-marvel-30/[/url]
I have no idea how this can be connected with Strange Academy or that possibly what is going to happen here, can make Amora decide and realize she can rekindle her relationship with her sons.
Or the easiest explanation: Magic, and the fact that Amora is a magic user of high/godly level that can use illusions to be at various places at the same time.[/QUOTE]
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I really loved and liked how Jacopo Camagni draws Amora, she looks so pretty and cute. :o
A little thought
Currently I have decided that I'm not going to continue reading the Thor book, the whole hammer thing and all that is already starting to be very exhausting, I feel like living in a deja vu, since Jason Aaron's disastrous run in Thor (his Avengers are not better).
I like Donny Cates as a writer, I have read his Venom from the beginning to King in Black, his Doctor Strange run, Silver Surfer Black, currently Crossover in Image is looking very good to me and I hope the Hulk is worth it because Al Ewing has risen very much and set the bar high, but I can't stand Cates in Thor, I think maybe I should have left the book at the end of the War of the Realms and not even started his Thor run.
I have read Thor practically in an uninterrupted way from Walter Simonson to the present, even in the worst stages of the character, mainly because of a single character who has had more than one ups and downs because the writers did not know very well what to do with her, obviously I am talking about the Enchantress.
It is very obvious that we are not going to see Amora in the entire Cates run, mainly because he does not care and because he has no plans for her and because she is already appearing and even developing little by little in other people's books (Captain Marvel and Strange Academy) to the one who saw her born in 1964.
The issue of Amora's children is an important point that breaks many things related to the character, that is something that should not be ignored under any circumstances and should not have a going back, simply because some writer does not care at all and that Amora should be exactly the same as in 1964, her first appearance, unchanged. Amora was always someone with secrets, only few people knows different sides of her, no one seems to know who were her parents, Lorelei (her younger sister) and Loki seems the only ones enough close to her that knows more than the majority of people.
Then we have the case of Sylvie Lushton, a character who, although she seems to have more popularity because of the Loki series although it is very different from her version of the comics, we have not heard from her since 2015 where she last appeared in the 7-issue series called Illuminati.
I can understand that there are people who for the simple fact of not being Asgardian or because they simply believe that she is a shameless and younger copy of Amora the original Enchantress, Sylvie almost would not deserve to exist, but that would have to be thought and develop it better, because of the connection with Loki (He still has to pay for damaging some people, he still is not redeemed at 100%).
She should have enjoyed of a different role, she had different goals from Amora, she wanted to be a heroine and be respected, also living adventures, but she had bad luck to be involved with villains and the changes that Loki was undergoing, surely they left Sylvie with the head completely like a puzzle that needs all its pieces to continue working and complete. Sylvie was simply a victim / pawn of Loki, someone who Loki, simply for fun had the life she had on Broxton, being taken from her before the Asgardians arrived.
The fact that Amora and Sylvie can be friends and companions, would change a lot the usual dynamics and the objectives of the first one and the fact of getting to know Amora's children better and how is their relationship with their mother, even the dynamics between her and Thor. I remember one thing during Ellis's run in Thor, World Engine storyline in which Amora recognized that she had hurt many people, but especially herself with her actions and that, thinking in different contexts, can say a lot.
Amora is as complex or more than Loki and she is as redeemable as him or even more.
I do not know if in these boards, despite who writes in the thread (which most of the time is just me, and it seems that except for two more, no one else does) people really have any opinion about it or simply they care so little about the character that it would make no difference if she died and more than 20 or 30 years passed and someone suddenly got her back.
I find Amora much more interesting than clear-cut heroes. I've always been drawn to characters that can take different roles (hero, villain, anti-hero etc.) in different stories while staying true to their character which is why Doom, Amora and Namor are some of my favorites in comics. I think the seeming disinterest in Amora is due to writers not being interested in her (her roles in CM and Strange Academy are good but she doesn't appear regularly in any book) and not having many appearances in other media. I've seen Amora only in Hulk vs Thor and Avengers EMH outside of comics. While Doom didn't have any luck with his movie appearaces he has multiple game appearances and he appears frequently in comics. Namor too is a regular in many line wide events and recently had Atlantis Attacks limited series. I don't understand why Amora isn't used in video games. Her powerset would translate perfectly to MvC series or she can be an unlockable boss in MUA series.
[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5638070]I find Amora much more interesting than clear-cut heroes. I've always been drawn to characters that can take different roles (hero, villain, anti-hero etc.) in different stories while staying true to their character which is why Doom, Amora and Namor are some of my favorites in comics. I think the seeming disinterest in Amora is due to writers not being interested in her (her roles in CM and Strange Academy are good but she doesn't appear regularly in any book) and not having many appearances in other media. I've seen Amora only in Hulk vs Thor and Avengers EMH outside of comics. While Doom didn't have any luck with his movie appearaces he has multiple game appearances and he appears frequently in comics. Namor too is a regular in many line wide events and recently had Atlantis Attacks limited series. I don't understand why Amora isn't used in video games. Her powerset would translate perfectly to MvC series or she can be an unlockable boss in MUA series.[/QUOTE]
Me too, that is why I have spent years since I entered in a comic board for the first time, trying to vindicate a character who gives for much more than she does usually.
It hurts me a lot to see that everything remains the same and the writers always go towards the same thing over and over again, without risking or doing anything new, they only do it with certain characters, it is evident that with Amora for some reason, they decide not to do anything except on rare occasions that in the end they end up being forgotten as if nothing happened, I just hope that what is now is not forgotten, it should have continuity.
I always defend and I always will defend the Enchantress, I like her a lot above the vast majority of female Marvel characters and it cannot be that all the women of the time of the 60s, the early days of Marvel, all have advanced while Amora the Enchantress, the first to be truly independent despite being a villain and not depending on anyone, is stuck.
As for the rest of the things you say, I totally agree and I look forward to more updates, especially within games like Marvel Future Fight or future games that Marvel will release for different platforms.
still waiting for some opinions.
Amora could be an intriguing member of the Guardians of the Galaxy. I don't think she's done space adventure that often. Given the bent to have a humorous update to the group since the movies' success, it could work for her to be a foil for Gamora. And Star-Lord would annoy both of them with recurring "[I]Amora... Gamora[/I]" jokes (think Dave Letterman's "[I]Uma... Oprah[/I]" bit at the Oscars many years ago)
[QUOTE=Hypestyle;5640229]Amora could be an intriguing member of the Guardians of the Galaxy. I don't think she's done space adventure that often. Given the bent to have a humorous update to the group since the movies' success, it could work for her to be a foil for Gamora. And Star-Lord would annoy both of them with recurring "[I]Amora... Gamora[/I]" jokes (think Dave Letterman's "[I]Uma... Oprah[/I]" bit at the Oscars many years ago)[/QUOTE]
That is very difficult to see, the stories of Amora if you realize and look at all her appearances have always been between Earth and Asgard, something related to space, practically never unless you counts the first Secret Wars. Maybe with Sylvie Lushton it could work or even Lorelei with Sigurd if someone remembers them.
I stick with everything I said in message "164" of this thread, Amora needs much more and that the writers do well and currently the Thor book and if the same writers are still there, it will not happen.
I just read Captain Marvel 30 today and I think the only word I can think of is disappointment, really until now I was liking what Kelly Thompson was doing and hoping for something better than what I have read, for fans of the Captain Marvel will surely be very good, but for fans of the Enchantress, it is still more of the same and the trend of the last 20-30 years, I hope the Strange Academy special is better because I no longer know what or who can save the Enchantress character and do justice and show a minimum of respect for her.
That's disappointing to hear. I haven't gone to comic store yet. Once I do I'll check it out.
[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5642318]That's disappointing to hear. I haven't gone to comic store yet. Once I do I'll check it out.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the art is good, I loved it, but the story itself, I do not have where to take it and it does not make sense especially for Strange Academy and Amora's real and present children, not the future/alternative one, I already said that I did not know how both stories could be connected and I think they are still unable to.
Yeah that's disappointing. Amora was taken out too quickly and once her son drank the potion she didn't do anything. She's basically made an enemy instead of an uneasy ally which would be much more interesting. I at least liked that she was more honest with Carol than Carol was with her. There was some nuance in the writing, just a disappointing outcome.
Oh and there seems to be no continuity between stories.
[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5642424]Oh and there seems to be no continuity between stories.[/QUOTE]
It's sad to see and heard it. What I was saying, I expected to see what conclusion this story was going to have and in the end it turned out to be like that, I expected much more and something better, I begin to understand why even in the Captain Marvel thread, practically almost nobody or nobody commented for months on the stories except little things that could be considered more superficial than anything else.
Hopefully we do not get another disappointment with Strange Academy, because I hope a lot from that story and above all that Marvel begins to take the character more seriously and almost stops treating her as if she was a joke, she is an Asgardian goddess, one of the most powerful of Asgard with a lot of difference and deserves to be treated with much more respect, for a joke character we already have Deadpool and even MODOK. Amora only has two real sons, Iric and Alvi, Ove is nothing as Kelly Thompson already showed.
I want to see a healthy relationship between Amora and her sons and hopefully learn who the father is.
[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5642457]I want to see a healthy relationship between Amora and her sons and hopefully who the father is.[/QUOTE]
Me too, I can't stand anymore she is still a villain, Loki did worse things than her, and it's like Amora is the devil while Loki is reformed, weird and absurd.
I like Loki but yeah that's quite literally a double standard. Didn't Loki once force Sif to marry him, started Ragnarok and once Asgard's rebuilt hijack Sif's body? The guy was a complete monster back in the day. After erasing his name from book of hel everthings forgiven apperantly. I'm not against redemption stories however redeeming Loki while keeping Amora in statis in terms of her character is stupid.
[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5642486]I like Loki but yeah that's quite literally a double standard. Didn't Loki once force Sif to marry him, started Ragnarok and once Asgard's rebuilt hijack Sif's body? The guy was a complete monster back in the day. After erasing his name from book of hel everthings forgiven apperantly. I'm not against redemption stories however redeeming Loki while keeping Amora in statis in terms of her character is stupid.[/QUOTE]
That is something that I have been thinking and suffering from for many years and I still do not understand why Marvel does what it does with Amora (which I suppose now someone will come to say, "but at least she has appearances in the comics and has not been forgotten , try to enjoy them, whether they are good or bad stories "I don't like that because it's conformism and I'm not like that word too and I can't stand that kind of thing, I just really want to enjoy a well-written story that can be fairly coherent and with continuity)
Perhaps that is the case now, but when will there be one of those appearances being an important point that breaks with all of the above? Today's writers seem to know only one thing to do with her, very few risk doing something different and for reasons that I can't understand everything seems to have to go hand in hand with what happens or stops happening in the MCU recently.
I expect a lot from Strange Academy.
Tell me more about where Ove came from as far as concocting a new big bad for Carol?
Thompson: A big goal of ours from the beginning has been to develop a great rogues' gallery for Carol. So many of her big villains are borrowed from other characters or have been lost to them, others have moved on in one way or another, like Rogue, or Carol’s just way too powerful for them to be a serious threat at this point. So we’ve tried to both create new villains and do rehab on some old ones to really build up that gallery for her.
In Ove I wanted someone truly powerful that could really be a threat for Carol and give her a sort of "Days of Future Past" storyline that would have lasting impact for her. Amora will always be a Thor character—but Ove straddles that line nicely and I think he can be a great villain for her going forward—especially after the events of CAPTAIN MARVEL #30.
[URL="https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/captain-marvel-30-kelly-thompson-jamie-mckelvie-interview?linkId=125032134"]https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/captain-marvel-30-kelly-thompson-jamie-mckelvie-interview?linkId=125032134[/URL]
[QUOTE=juan678;5644441]Tell me more about where Ove came from as far as concocting a new big bad for Carol?
Thompson: A big goal of ours from the beginning has been to develop a great rogues' gallery for Carol. So many of her big villains are borrowed from other characters or have been lost to them, others have moved on in one way or another, like Rogue, or Carol’s just way too powerful for them to be a serious threat at this point. So we’ve tried to both create new villains and do rehab on some old ones to really build up that gallery for her.
In Ove I wanted someone truly powerful that could really be a threat for Carol and give her a sort of "Days of Future Past" storyline that would have lasting impact for her. Amora will always be a Thor character—but Ove straddles that line nicely and I think he can be a great villain for her going forward—especially after the events of CAPTAIN MARVEL #30.
[URL="https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/captain-marvel-30-kelly-thompson-jamie-mckelvie-interview?linkId=125032134"]https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/captain-marvel-30-kelly-thompson-jamie-mckelvie-interview?linkId=125032134[/URL][/QUOTE]
It is what I have said, this is not going to have a real follow-up just for the sake of the book appeared, I found more interesting the relationship of Amora and Lorelei or Amora and her sons from the Academy, I expect more from it than what's going on with Ove that I can't find him a true menacing villain even for Carol. And Amora can't feel the same for him than for her sons (her real and present ones) because of trust.
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Enchantess
However, Captain Marvel's foray into the world of magic does come with some serious repercussions. Carol has so far been working with the Enchantress to find a mystical element that could protect her from all forms of magic. Although Enchantress has been an ally so far, Carol fears what she could do if she learns this is all being done to help Captain Marvel eventually defeat (and potentially kill) her future son, Ova.
Enchantress finds out the truth with telepathy and brings Ova into the battle itself. However, Carol tricks Ova into consuming the element instead, draining him of his mastery of the mystic arts -- and earning the ire of the Enchantress, with the Asgardian villain vowing revenge against Captain Marvel.
[URL="https://www.cbr.com/captain-marvel-repairs-war-machine-relationship/"]https://www.cbr.com/captain-marvel-repairs-war-machine-relationship/[/URL]
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Enchantess
However, Captain Marvel's foray into the world of magic does come with some serious repercussions. Carol has so far been working with the Enchantress to find a mystical element that could protect her from all forms of magic. Although Enchantress has been an ally so far, Carol fears what she could do if she learns this is all being done to help Captain Marvel eventually defeat (and potentially kill) her future son, Ova.
Enchantress finds out the truth with telepathy and brings Ova into the battle itself. However, Carol tricks Ova into consuming the element instead, draining him of his mastery of the mystic arts -- and earning the ire of the Enchantress, with the Asgardian villain vowing revenge against Captain Marvel.
[URL="https://www.cbr.com/captain-marvel-repairs-war-machine-relationship/"]https://www.cbr.com/captain-marvel-repairs-war-machine-relationship/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Another thing that I already said, I'm tired of Amora the Enchantress being always the villain, never with a chance that of course, she's pretty able of doing something good, but writers always forced and pushed to never change Amora status, I just can't take it anymore.
An Amazing pic I found, I think maybe looks like more a grown-up Sylvie Lushton because of the braids and maybe a bit the tiara than Amora but both are very similar on their looks with the difference on age and eye colour
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Looks beautiful. Fur cloak is very asgardian. It may be a more warrior look for Amora though I think the high heels kinda go against that.
[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5649580]Looks beautiful. Fur cloak is very asgardian. It may be a more warrior look for Amora though I think the high heels kinda go against that.[/QUOTE]
Completely agreed. Well it's pretty much Amora fashionable style ;)
I find it weird that over the years Amora's look remained almost unchanged with minor differences. While I love her classic design I won't mind a little variety.
[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5649643]I find it weird that over the years Amora's look remained almost unchanged with minor differences. While I love her classic design I won't mind a little variety.[/QUOTE]
Me too but why the change when something it's so good, it's make her different and unique, even Sylvie Lushton and Lorelei (Lorelei looks like a warrior now, at least she is not a copy of Red Sonja) looks changed and still can change, if we are going to see Sylvie Lushton again you can expect a look similar to the Sylvie of Loki tv series
Strange Academy may be the perfect book to bring Sylvie back. Perhaps in the Death of DS tie in they learn about Sylvie from Amora and in a later issue they go looking for her. Or maybe Sylvie finds her way to Strange Academy from wherever Amora sent her.
[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5649698]Strange Academy may be the perfect book to bring Sylvie back. Perhaps in the Death of DS tie in they learn about Sylvie from Amora and in a later issue they go looking for her. Or maybe Sylvie finds her way to Strange Academy from wherever Amora sent her.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I feel the same way but there is one problem, to bring Sylvie being back some writer/s has to remember her.
I think that one of the main problems related to Amora the Enchantress as a character is that when the writers use her in their stories, in the end it is always someone else's story (it is clear that the most recent thing, it has to be taken that way, was the story of Captain Marvel and there it stays, whether or not if it makes sense or there is connection with the fact that she has two children who study at the academy of the doctor strange) and that I think, is the biggest problem (there is another, that looks like she barely is a part of Thor stories actually) there is, Amora the Enchantress is a character who has 57 years of history in Marvel since 1964 of her first appearance.
Could someone tell me exactly if there is any story among all her appearances that could be considered as an Amora story? Please, I truly want someone answer this.
I have all my hopes on that October special of Strange Academy but it is evident that everything will revolve around her children and little related to her, it is not even certain that something is explained that can really redeem her instead of hurting her even more without remedy.
Sometimes I have the feeling that if Marvel sells the character to another publisher, maybe she can be saved at last of being written right for once.
[QUOTE=Charlie_1981;5652040]I think that one of the main problems related to Amora the Enchantress as a character is that when the writers use her in their stories, in the end it is always someone else's story (it is clear that the most recent thing, it has to be taken that way, was the story of Captain Marvel and there it stays, whether or not if it makes sense or there is connection with the fact that she has two children who study at the academy of the doctor strange) and that I think, is the biggest problem (there is another, that looks like she barely is a part of Thor stories actually) there is, Amora the Enchantress is a character who has 57 years of history in Marvel since 1964 of her first appearance.
Could someone tell me exactly if there is any story among all her appearances that could be considered as an Amora story? Please, I truly want someone answer this.
I have all my hopes on that October special of Strange Academy but it is evident that everything will revolve around her children and little related to her, it is not even certain that something is explained that can really redeem her instead of hurting her even more without remedy.
Sometimes I have the feeling that if Marvel sells the character to another publisher, maybe she can be saved at last of being written right for once.[/QUOTE]
I'm not as knowledgeable on Amora as you are but I haven't read any story that I would consider Amora's story. Even when she is written heroically she's not the main focus like when she defended Asgard against Surtur. She needs her own title to tell her own story which shouldn't be that hard as marvel gave freakin Reptil his own series.
[QUOTE=Doom'nGloom;5652075]I'm not as knowledgeable on Amora as you are but I haven't read any story that I would consider Amora's story. Even when she is written heroically she's not the main focus like when she defended Asgard against Surtur. She needs her own title to tell her own story which shouldn't be that hard as marvel gave freakin Reptil his own series.[/QUOTE]
At this point I begin to think that soon we will end up having a limited or an ongoing series of the Frog Thor known as Throg and in the meantime, Amora will continue to be marginalized in a bad way, it really is difficult and incredible to think that with so many years that the character has, practically never she has had her own story, neither origin nor anything, not even in various specials/annuals that have existed of the Mighty Thor or new series related to Journey to the Mystery, not even a single writer has thought about it and as I said [SIZE=4][B][U]57 years[/U][/B][/SIZE] and I put it big because it is reality.
still waiting more opinions and answers to the question.
A bit of art, Amora the Enchantress by Neal Adams
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what exactly is the relationship of these children to Amora? Who is the father?
[QUOTE=Hypestyle;5658572]what exactly is the relationship of these children to Amora? Who is the father?[/QUOTE]
It is said it was a palace guard, it's kinda not known his name, it seems to be known for everyone on Asgard but the mother's name seems more like a secret it's surprising it was Amora their mother considering she was keeping that part as a deal with their father to not keep them being hurt.
Amora seemed to love them even if she was an absent mother all the time.
I can't understand the Ove thing because is something more for Captain Marvel book than other thing personally I choose to ignore it
It's funny that Amora is neither with Skurge, nor Heimdall nor Thor, just a random average guy from maybe her teenage days who we have to know and that it has to be special considering what kind of person is Amora and what she always wanted in her whole life.
As I said before some days ago, Amora has many secrets, this is just one of them and looks like it’s one of the biggest ones if you think about her not still explained past instead of knowing Lorelei her younger sister and that in her teen days, she was an apprentice of Karnilla or her past and dealings with the Valkyrior (something Jason Aaron choose to ignore to tell conveniently his story).
And I found something from her appearances that maybe it would be focused on her as it was Women of Marvel from a few years ago but considering reading it, it was someone’else story same with the Black Widow and the Marvel Girls first issue a few years ago too.
The main reason why I always complain so bitterly almost 100% of the time is because of things like this, if someone really believes that Marvel does things right with her, it is a lie and it is not normal, For me it is not involuntary, it is completely voluntary and it has been happening for more than 20 years.
Things like this cover of Thor vol 2 65 in which even the information of the comic itself [I]("Solicit Info: "SPIRAL" Pt. 6-SPIRAL heats up as the Enchantress takes center stage...")[/I] and everything is like what is called ClickandBait, for me they give me an illusion to read something focused on her but then when reading the comic it turned out not to be real, Amora did not appear in the whole comic, then in this issue 74, Amora does not appear on the cover and she was important in the story, it appears just a normal and ordinary random girl as if nothing happened and then we would have what happens in the issue 80 of the same volume of Thor in which Amora dies in a completely random way just for the sake of it (I know, the story of Oeming it was called Ragnarok but she deserved better than it).
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Things like these are what awoked in me the feeling that Marvel never cared about the character and that she is always treated very badly by all the writers who came after and the beginning of trying to vindicate a character who needs much more affection than what she has been given.
For things like this is it is why I always complain and always say what I say even though I live on a constant loop most of the time but I believe and think that I am right.
For me, it is difficult to settle and be positive on this issue because the evidence is there.
I try to be a little optimistic. I just hope Strange Academy doesn't do what CM did with Amora's character.