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I like how he's being used. The name strikes fear in to people, I think it would lose something if we actually saw the man. His illusive God-like presence is fitting for the character.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I hope we don't actually see Ra's. People speak his name is hushed tones and not actually seeing him adds to the Kaiser Soze-like boogie man vibe.
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[QUOTE=Deviates;52670]I prefer Slade to Malcolm. As much as I liked Merlyn, John Barrowman spent most of his screen time hamming it up. With regards to the 'Shado crap', it's pretty clear that it's important, but the stuff on the island is clearly showing how that one issue escalated massively. Throw in a pretty unstable Slade and I think that 'Shado crap' is hardly doing justice to what's going on.[/QUOTE]
Barrowman hamming it up is still better than most the actors on Arrow are capable of, and besides he still had some believable tragedy that was driving him. Slade's Shado thing, OTOH is tenuous at best, and mental instability is really the only that'd driving him. He has no agenda of his own.
I mean even Smallville, for how awful it was, didn't need to do this kind of cop-out to turn Lex evil and against Clark.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Holmes;52723]Barrowman hamming it up is still better than most the actors on Arrow are capable of, and besides he still had some believable tragedy that was driving him. Slade's Shado thing, OTOH is tenuous at best, and mental instability is really the only that'd driving him. He has no agenda of his own.
I mean even Smallville, for how awful it was, didn't need to do this kind of cop-out to turn Lex evil and against Clark.[/QUOTE]
There's a slightly deeper, more personal vendetta between Slade and Oliver but I take your point. I'd argue that being stuck on an Island for as long as Slade had been, dying, coming back to life under the influence of a drug that causes serious psychological problems and instantly being greeted by tragedy before wallowing in it isn't the worst excuse for going insane I've ever heard though!
As for the actors on Arrow, I'll happily admit they're aren't going to win any awards for their performances but I don't have a problem. Barrowman stood out as hamming it up with this cast says a lot. I bought some of his tragedy, though not the way it manifested. I don't see how that necessarily differs from Slade though. Two men who have experienced tragedy and lost some marbles along the way to different degrees, have huge amounts of power and their reactions are somewhat to scale (though massively exaggerated) with that.
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[QUOTE=Deviates;52670]I prefer Slade to Malcolm. As much as I liked Merlyn, John Barrowman spent most of his screen time hamming it up. With regards to the 'Shado crap', it's pretty clear that it's important, but the stuff on the island is clearly showing how that one issue escalated massively. Throw in a pretty unstable Slade and I think that 'Shado crap' is hardly doing justice to what's going on.
I like how he's being used. The name strikes fear in to people, I think it would lose something if we actually saw the man. His illusive God-like presence is fitting for the character.
EDIT: Just now read that the Flash TV series has officially been given the green light. Can't wait.[/QUOTE]
See, they could have gotten away with that with Ra's if they hadn't actually said his name. Malcolm hinted at Ra's in season 1, but didn't actually say his name. If the show had kept doing that, then having be an offscreen presence would have been fine. But since they actually mentioned him by name (and introduced his daughter), people are going to want to actually see him now. Plus, he's pretty much the only villain who could outdo season 2 Slade.
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Such a great season, I don't know how they'll top it for season 3
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[QUOTE=Deviates;52763]There's a slightly deeper, more personal vendetta between Slade and Oliver but I take your point. I'd argue that being stuck on an Island for as long as Slade had been, dying, coming back to life under the influence of a drug that causes serious psychological problems and instantly being greeted by tragedy before wallowing in it isn't the worst excuse for going insane I've ever heard though!
As for the actors on Arrow, I'll happily admit they're aren't going to win any awards for their performances but I don't have a problem. Barrowman stood out as hamming it up with this cast says a lot. I bought some of his tragedy, though not the way it manifested. I don't see how that necessarily differs from Slade though. Two men who have experienced tragedy and lost some marbles along the way to different degrees, have huge amounts of power and their reactions are somewhat to scale (though massively exaggerated) with that.[/QUOTE]
I'm not really seeing anything deeper, but I'd be willing to be convinced if you can elaborate on that.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Holmes;52852]I'm not really seeing anything deeper, but I'd be willing to be convinced if you can elaborate on that.[/QUOTE]
Emphasis on the [B]slightly[/B] part of that, I don't think it goes that much deeper. The way I see it Oliver becomes Slade's target for his frustration and anger for everything that has gone wrong. Add to that the fact we've heard countless times this season that Oliver chose to try and kill Slade rather than save him, something I'm assuming we'll finally see next episode, and I'd say Shado becomes the just the starting point.
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[QUOTE=Punisher007;52815]See, they could have gotten away with that with Ra's if they hadn't actually said his name. Malcolm hinted at Ra's in season 1, but didn't actually say his name. If the show had kept doing that, then having be an offscreen presence would have been fine. But since they actually mentioned him by name (and introduced his daughter), people are going to want to actually see him now. Plus, he's pretty much the only villain who could outdo season 2 Slade.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure he'll turn up eventually, the name dropping is probably just laying the groundwork for the LoA to enter Starling City properly. I just like the way he's been used (or hasn't been) so far. I think they'd have a tough time getting someone to play the character and do justice to the build up.
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There was some extra corny dialogue this episode.
I wonder how Blood was able to steal the cure right from under Slade's nose?
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[QUOTE=sonofspam1972;52912]I wonder how Blood was able to steal the cure right from under Slade's nose?[/QUOTE]
He carefully approached from Slade's left. Slade doesn't see very clearly on that side.
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[QUOTE=RockyBanks;52926]He carefully approached from Slade's left. Slade doesn't see very clearly on that side.[/QUOTE]Sure i can buy that but you think noone else saw him do it?
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[QUOTE=PapaShogun;50680]Kelly Hu is like 20 years older than the actor that plays Roy though. Are you eluding to a romance/connection between the two characters?[/QUOTE]
She doesn't seem that old. Also, how is it any different than Slade and Shado? (But I am happy with him being with Thea. It was just an observation.)
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I wasn't really thrilled they killed off Kate Spencer, I feel like there is more that could have been done with her.
Also, I felt Blood's death was a real waste of potential. It could have been a fantastically intruiging idea if Sebastian stayed as Mayor, and he and Oliver both had this adversarial air with one another, both knowing the secret of the other but refusing to do anything in fear of their own secret being exposed.
Also, I decided last night I'd really like next year, even though Malcolm is suppoed to be back, for there to be a villian more akin to the Joker from The Dark Knight. And by that I mean, the last two season, both Malcolm and Slade have had plans well in advance, and I'd love to see more of an anarchist villian, without a real plan, just doing whatever, but still being a big threat.
I'm also hoping we get to see Waller a lot next year, love her, and hope at least ARGUS, and maybe her, could crossover here or there with the Flash.
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[QUOTE=sonofspam1972;53028]Sure i can buy that but you think noone else saw him do it?[/QUOTE]
The only other person there was Isobel. Blood most likely just waited until they left the room (or the building) and grabbed the case.
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I'm always late to the party because I don't watch the show until Thursdays. So some people seem kind of cynical about corny dialogue and the like. I prefer to just go with it when there's a moment that's meant to be emotional, and I have to say there were a couple of moments in this episode that got me genuinely choked up. Thea finally confronting Merlyn. Felicity's pep talk to Oliver. With Felicity especially, since she's used as comic relief so often it feels especially poignant whenever she's hurting.
Did Thea really shoot Merlyn? Maybe she shot someone else behind him like the others said, or maybe she did shoot him but that doesn't automatically mean she killed him even though there was the sound of a body falling. Maybe he's just wounded, maybe his suit has Kevlar, or whatever. Most likely she shot someone else, though. Oh and by the way, I believe I said a few pages back that Brother Blood was not long for the world. Ding ding.
Slade said that by morning the city would be nothing but flaming rubble. Sounds like he somehow knew the bombing would be called in. Seems like more than just a good guess.
Let's see now how Oliver figures out how to administer the cure to 50 ultra-strong super soldiers who are all trying to kill him. Injection arrows, I'm guessing? Whatever happens, this finale is absolutely going to make the ground shake.